There are two topics here.  The second is labelled CATFIGHT.

To a large degree, I think I agree with Deirdre that everyone needs to 
take responsibility for their own well-being, status etc.  I too see 
blame as largely  irrelevant.

I'm going to come at this from two angles, so bear with me through the 
argument equivilant of a bootlegger-reverse.

There seems to be two poles of attitude, summed up thus:

1) "I have a problem, but nobody else gives a shit, so I'm either going 
to fix it myself or suffer."
2) "I have a problem, but somebody else caused it, so I'm going to 
demand that they fix it."

Of the two, people with the former attitude seem to be happier and more 
successful than those with the latter.
 From this I infer that blame isn't really relevant.  You can blame 
yourself, or you can blame somebody else.  When you blame somebody else 
it tends to absolve you of responsibility for fixing it yourself, so you 
don't tend to fix it.

Another common feature of "blamers" is that many (not all) want to have 
their cake and eat it too. Some goals are just mutually exclusive. High 
salaries and copious free time are (generally) a good example which (as 
far as I can tell) is under-appreciated by those with low salaries and 
time on their hands.

Want higher pay? become a doctor or some such.  Don't want to do the 
study and the hours? don't complain about the low pay.  Not smart enough 
to be a doctor?  How hard have you tried?

<BOOTLEGGER-REVERSE>

On the other hand.  People who don't think they can change themselves 
(or the world around them) are right.  I was, at one stage, in exactly 
that position.  It was a depressing, distressing hell.  You just believe 
that you're powerless and stuck where you are.   I really have no idea 
how to help these people.

I don't know what happened to change that attitude but I'm very glad it 
changed.  I suspect a motivational speaker that a previous employer sent 
me to hear played a key role.  Life's still full of the same types of 
problems on the same scale. I just deal with it and feel good about the 
fact that I deal with it.

I'm actually somewhat conflicted about all this.  On the one hand I 
think it's just plain wrong(tm) to stand  by and watch somebody have the 
crap beaten out of them (for example).  On the other hand I think it's 
an equally bad idea to wrap someone in cotton wool and protect them from 
fear all the time as it creates fearful dependant unhappy people.

I recently (Christmas of all times) had to stand by and watch while a 
guy had the crap kicked out of him.  It was terrible.  I was working for 
the ambulance service at a "concert in the park" type event when a bunch 
of people started brawling.  There were a number of issues buzzing 
around in my head:

1) I can't take on six guys successfully without doing some of them 
permanent harm.
2) While they richly deserve it, I'm bound by the policies of the 
organisation I'm serving.
3) If I get messed up, I drain the strength of the medical support on 
site which the victims, police and agressors (after meeting the police) 
will need.
4) Even if I don't get messed up, once I'm engaged with these people, 
it'll be damn tough to disengage and return to the medical role I'm here 
for.

Emotional values vs practicality.  The practicalities won out.  I waited 
till the bastards lost interest, moved in and patched up the victim.
Where were the police? I hear you say.  There were a lot of brawlers and 
they can't be everywhere.

This guy was definitely a "victim".  Nobody should have been attacking 
him.  Maybe he aggravated them, maybe not.  I'll never know.  The point 
is that this guy has some choices and decisions to make as a result of 
the experience and he'll have some emotional damage to deal with too.  
Here are some of the (not mutually exclusive) possibilities.  Not all of 
them are legal.

1) He can avoid going to this type of event out of fear that there'll be 
a repetition.
2) *If* he stirred them up, he can not do that next time.
3) He can go and learn a martial art to help his confidence.
4) He can carry a weapon
5) He can hunt down and hurt (legally or physically) the people responsible
7) He can attempt to raise merry hell about it with the media to try 
getting more police assigned to the event or some such.
8) He can complain to anybody who'll listen about the injustice in the 
world.

I've probably missed some :)

Of these options, 1->5 are going to provide him the best emotional 
payoff.  4->5 may also incur some time in a cell.

Option 7 is more likely to get the event shut down or teenagers banned 
from the event or police being more heavy handed with "suspicious" 
people.  All of these results are easier and cheaper to implement than 
"more cops" and there'll never be enough.

Option 8 will just annoy others and entrench his self image as a 
helpless victim.

<CATFIGHT>

I noted with interest the exchange between Deirdre and Christi about 
some anonymous (to me) third party Christi is/was married to.

What's interesting is that this definitely falls under my mental label 
of a "cat fight".  A type of exchange attributed largely to females.

This has me thinking about the following questions:

1) What are the essential features of a "cat fight"
2) Why do I see them as a female thing

I suspect the answer to 1 is complex and the answer to 2 has to do with 
subject matter and the fact that men stereotypically resort to physical 
violence rather than "name calling" or something that seems like it.  
That said, I don't think I've resorted to violence since I've been an 
adult.  I have had some shouting matches, however.  So, what do y'all 
think of those two questions?

I have a third comment (this is beginning to sound like the spanish 
inquisition sketch) about my wife.

She tells me that what she's decided she really wants to do is "be a 
housewife", but that she feels social pressure to go and "be something".
I find that interesting given the general complaints I hear are the 
other way around.

Comments?



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