>Actually, they paid Apple for source code and the right to create a
> derivative work. In fact, Windows is a derivative work of the MacOS.
hm... i'm not going to say that that's incorrect because i don't know for
sure, but i've never heard this before... i suppose it's possible.
__
Outlook, to me, isn't very intuitive, *especially* some of the stuff
they've done in the office 2000 version (speaking windows now)... click
on "file" and you only get about half of the menu items, then when you
hit the little "down arrow" at the bottom of the menu, things start
appearing. They d
J B wrote:
> Also, all you M$ bashers for OS/2did not M$ have the right to kill OS/2,
> since they WROTE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, under agreement from IBM?
By that argument, an architect has the right to bomb a building he
designed, no?
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J B wrote:
>
> Those chevrons and expandable menus are supposed to adapt to keep the most
> commonly used items available. If you do not like it...you can disable it
> from preferences. But if you notice, use on item that is not on the main
> menu (under the chevrons), and the rest of the dropdo
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Neil ''Fred'' Picciotto wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > Actually, they paid Apple for source code and the right to create a
> > derivative work. In fact, Windows is a derivative work of the MacOS.
>
> hm... i'm not going to say that that's incorrect because i don't know
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, J B wrote:
> I will say...it is not correct. The whole reason Bill invested $100
> Mil was to have access to the source for MacOS. And Win2K is the first
> Windows to have Mac code in it. Yes, he was attempting to copy Mac,
> but he could not get it...the code was missing.
As J B stated:
> Also, all you M$ bashers for OS/2did not M$ have the right to kill OS/2,
> since they WROTE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, under agreement from IBM?
It was a joint development effort. Hundreds or thousands of IBMers worked on it
too, and IBM continued the development effort after MS
At 12:30 AM 11/09/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>Can you turn off the icon "moving" thing? I'd imagine if it were truly
>customizable you would be able to... but you never know, sometimes
>microsoft (and other software vendors) thinks things are "intuitive" but
>they are just plain annoying (i.e. the
> g>it run/installs on everything I own... (except for some 68000 macs I
> still have)
Check this out:
http://www.mac.linux-m68k.org/
Deidre Calarco
Robert Darvas Associates
(734) 761-8713 (ext. 16)
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At 12:23 AM 11/09/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>
>The biggest problem I see with your brand of libertarianism (the whole
>anti-government/pro-capitalism schtick) is that it replaces the power of
>the state with the power of the corporations. At least the state is
>nominally under citizen control. We kn
> IIRC, MS bought Excel from another company. It's possible that it was
> already made for the Mac, but did they keep on updating it for the Mac?
> I certainly didn't see it till 98, and I used Macs quite a bit back in
> college. Also, Macs were very popular up till the 90s, making programs
> fo
Call me a stupid man, but what is a CMOTW?
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suppose you ran MS and you had a choice of being ethical and get 85% of
the OS market or else,NOT being ethical and getting 95% of the market
and the lawsuit,which one would you choose ??
_
What is that 10%about $10 Billion?
if you wer
J B wrote:
> Also, all you M$ bashers for OS/2did not M$ have the right to kill
OS/2,
> since they WROTE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, under agreement from IBM?
>By that argument, an architect has the right to bomb a building he
>designed, no?
Nobut it would have died anyway...M$ would ne
Maybe what we really need (and I'm being serious) is to find a nice,
supportive, pro-feminist mens list to send the confused ones to :)
Vinnie
Is there such a thing? Most of the men who are really interested in the
issues will find a list such as this. (personally I came cuz of the Linux
stu
J.B,
>
> Also, all you M$ bashers for OS/2did not M$ have the right to kill
OS/2,
> since they WROTE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, under agreement from IBM?
This is *not* accurate. They wrote versions 1.0 and 1.1 only, which were 16
bit. The later 32 bit versions were almost pure IBM.
No, they d
I wish the start menu would work the same way, in such case (create a
standard for those chevron thingeys)... if you use certain groups more
often, move them to the top. It'd be somewhat irritating until it
figured out your patterns of usage (and if different people use your
computer for different
J.B.,
>
> Nobut it would have died anyway...M$ would never have agreed to
continue
> to update it, and IBM did not have the programming resources to support
it.
This is flat out wrong. All the reasonable successful versions of OS/2 Warp
were pure IBM. They did and do have the resources, and
> > define ethical? if your saying that I can insure that I can get my
> > operating system to be included with every PC by making a deal with
> > vendors.. I think I would... is that unethical?
>
> ethical == not doing a hack to win 3.11 so it doesn't run on DR-DOS as
Ok.. lets say hypothiticly
ack more reading ;)
thanks,
Chris
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On Tue, 9 Nov 1999,
Personally this is what I want...
Click on Start and have folders that open that say "Imaging", "Games",
"office", "internet". Open up "internet" and see "Icq", "Netscape",
"AIM", "WS_FTP"... etc. MS makes it EXTREMELY difficult to customize it
how you want it. You can't get rid of the "Pro
J B wrote:
>
> Maybe what we really need (and I'm being serious) is to find a nice,
> supportive, pro-feminist mens list to send the confused ones to :)
>
> Vinnie
>
> Is there such a thing? Most of the men who are really interested in the
> issues will find a list such as this. (personally I
> > Also, all you M$ bashers for OS/2did not M$ have the right to kill OS/2,
> > since they WROTE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, under agreement from IBM?
>
> By that argument, an architect has the right to bomb a building he
> designed, no?
Things to remember -- creating does not give one the right
When I say 68000 macs I mean like the macplus.. last I checked mac 68k
linux required atleast a 68030 or at the VERY least an mmu which the 68000
doesn't support.. or atleast the macplus motherboard doesn't support..
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I am an ID-10-T. I guess I should learn to not believe the hype!...
oh wellbeat me with a wet noodle.
J.B.,
>
> Nobut it would have died anyway...M$ would never have agreed to
continue
> to update it, and IBM did not have the programming resources to support
it.
This is flat out wron
> Windows just keeps pissing me off, and the sooner that I can use my
> hardware and games with Linux the better.
what hardware do you have that you can't use?
btw a great source of games is lokisoft www.lokisoft.com
they have a newsgroup for recommendations.. also there are lots of sites
that
if the architect OWNS that building.. yes he has the right to blow it up..
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well how about guytalk here a linuxchix?
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On Tue, 9 Nov
Intro: Hi. I'm a lurker. Name's Amanda. Pleased to meet you.
"Caitlyn M. Martin" wrote:
>> Didn't someone, about a week ago, say that each week we get a CMOTW that
>> dominates?
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote:
>I thought we had a healthy discussion... granted I was as up to speed as I
>
Hi, Amanda,
> Lurker, FreeBSD-user, trying to figure out whether to triple-boot or just
> convert from FreeBSD to Linux
If you have the disk space, triple booting is not all that painful.
Just my .02
Caity
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On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, curious wrote:
> well how about guytalk here a linuxchix?
Well, that would be beyond the scope of LinuxChix, I would think but
you are certainly welcome to create such a list elsewhere.
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> pretend I'm a really big guy (okay, this is hard, but pretend
> anyway...think, like..my father's size or something)
on the internet you can be anyone or anything :)
>
> you're selling glasses
cool!
>
> I'm selling lemonade
yum!
>
> if I agree to give you a cut rate on lemonade so you
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Caitlyn Martin wrote:
>If you have the disk space, triple booting is not all that painful.
It's definitely a disk space issue for me: to triple-boot and continue
under the same cramped conditions, or to convert and finally have a decent
sized system...
Amanda
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curious wrote:
>
> There is nothing "un-ethical" about being selfish..
HERE is the core difference between my ethics and yours. Possibly between
many people's ethics and yours.
_I_ think there is something very very wrong, very unethical, almost evil,
about being selfish.
I think the core caus
curious wrote:
>
> if the architect OWNS that building.. yes he has the right to blow it up..
>
Perhaps. But the argument was that the program in question was work-for-hire.
Which means the hirer owned it - not Microsoft. And thus, the hirer was the
one with the right to 'blow it up'.
Jenn V
curious wrote:
> Sounds good to me :).. I think nothing should be done :)..
Fine. We've got that. We understand your argument, and respectfully
disagree.
You can now relax, knowing you've made your point.
As the list has, for two days, attempted to explain our side to you -
and you don't see
> No, I'm not interested in a long debate about it - certainly not in this
> forum. This is not philosophy 101. But please understand that to me, and
> perhaps to a lot of people, selfishness is VERY VERY VERY unethical.
In that case.. for this list anyways.. we will agree to disagree :)
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On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, J B wrote:
> Call me a stupid man, but what is a CMOTW?
Clueless Male Of The Week.
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"That's because the Martians keep shooting
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> curious wrote:
> >
> > There is nothing "un-ethical" about being selfish..
>
> HERE is the core difference between my ethics and yours. Possibly between
> many people's ethics and yours.
>
> _I_ think there is something very very wrong, very unethi
Alright since I'm probably one of those people who should have read the
(yet non-existant) FAQ...
I'm going to try to start one :) I've found that on other lists (technical
ones) that FAQs are typicaly built by collecting a bunch of questions that
aught to be answered and post them to the list.. t
J B wrote:
[OS/2]
> Nobut it would have died anyway...M$ would never have agreed to continue
> to update it, and IBM did not have the programming resources to support it.
I must have imagined versions 2, 3 and 4 then. Silly me.
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At 07:18 AM 11/09/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Ok.. lets say hypothiticly I was the creator of Dos.. and I wanted
>everyone to run my program... so it would be easyer for me to sell my
>other applications.. don't you think I would try to write software that
>would create a higher cost of entry for ot
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, curious wrote:
> > No, I'm not interested in a long debate about it - certainly not in this
> > forum. This is not philosophy 101. But please understand that to me, and
> > perhaps to a lot of people, selfishness is VERY VERY VERY unethical.
>
> In that case.. for this list
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, curious wrote:
> they do? then why is it I'm not drinking MS lemonade at home? (ie. I'm not
> using MS at home) infact I was raised on Apple-lemonade for many years..
> hmmms
you were raised on apple juice, different product, and it was in a
cup...because the glasses won't ho
What unusual dynamics for a list... on issues that people don't want to
hear from me on.. people jump on them.. I'm guessing the bbses and lists
that I have used in my life are quite diffrent then yours.. If there is
someone who is talking about something that is offtopic or unwarrented..
it's jus
At 09:04 on Nov 9, Janus combined all the right letters to say:
> >Personally, I like the power to turn things OFF ;o)
> >
>
> If you are using Win 9X, you can do a lot of customisation with TweakUI --
> an unsupported tool that MS programmers made on their own time to do a lot
> of the things p
> Chris, it's not just an agree to disagree thing. It's that women emphasize
> cooperation where men emphasize conquest. Self-interest is one thing, but
watch those generalizations, Deirdre ;)
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> When I say 68000 macs I mean like the macplus.. last I checked mac 68k
> linux required atleast a 68030 or at the VERY least an mmu which the 68000
> doesn't support.. or atleast the macplus motherboard doesn't support..
I think the SE30 is the earliest Mac that can run Linix.
Deidre Calarco
> what hardware do you have that you can't use?
> btw a great source of games is lokisoft www.lokisoft.com
> they have a newsgroup for recommendations.. also there are lots of sites
> that cover how to run common games in wine..
DVD, Winmodem (on my laptop) and on my desktop I have a CD-R and AF
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, curious wrote:
> What unusual dynamics for a list... on issues that people don't want to
> hear from me on.. people jump on them.. I'm guessing the bbses and lists
> that I have used in my life are quite diffrent then yours.. If there is
> someone who is talking about somethin
> > they do? then why is it I'm not drinking MS lemonade at home? (ie. I'm not
> > using MS at home) infact I was raised on Apple-lemonade for many years..
> > hmmms
>
> you were raised on apple juice, different product, and it was in a
> cup...because the glasses won't hold applejuice, silly!
>
sorry that response to vinnie was supposed to be an emailed response.. I'm
quite sure most of you don't know ness :)
hehe,
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On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, curious wrote:
> The Macintosh IS a PC... and for their platform they ARE controling who
> makes the hardware, who makes the OS, Who can license their product to
> VERY extreme degrees... they are keeping other vendors like BeOS from
> alowing thier OS to run on thier current
Excerpts from linuxchix: 9-Nov-99 [issues] this message seems.. by
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> Alright since I'm probably one of those people who should have read the
> (yet non-existant) FAQ...
You haven't read http://www.linuxchix.org/docs/faq.html ?
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On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, curious wrote:
I missed an earlier fallacy here:
> > here's the problem, you *have* to sell MS's product in order to survive,
> > and you have to get it at the same price as everyone else in order to
> > remain competative in order to survive, hence, you have to get MS's
> >
> > I don't belive this is the case... VAlinux systems, penguin computing,
> > thelinuxstore, etc... have been doing just fine.. heck microway sells both
> > types of systems and sells linux systems for less...
>
> Do you HONESTLY think that VA sells no MS? That they have no OEM agreement
> with
> At what point is something considered adequate? If no other company is/was
> able to stand up to microsoft's marketing... (which is how microsoft
> became, and maintains it's success).. if customers weren't buying OS/2 or
> DRDOS to a degree that would have made a diffrence.. why should microsof
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, curious wrote:
> > Do you HONESTLY think that VA sells no MS? That they have no OEM agreement
> > with MS?
>
> hmmms didn't find VA's statement on the matter... so they might.. however
> going to penguin computings:
> http://www.penguincomputing.com/about.html
> states they d
"Deidre L. Calarco" wrote:
>
> > When I say 68000 macs I mean like the macplus.. last I checked mac 68k
> > linux required atleast a 68030 or at the VERY least an mmu which the 68000
> > doesn't support.. or atleast the macplus motherboard doesn't support..
>
> I think the SE30 is the earliest M
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, curious wrote:
>
> > > No, I'm not interested in a long debate about it - certainly not in this
> > > forum. This is not philosophy 101. But please understand that to me, and
> > > perhaps to a lot of people, selfishness is VERY VERY VERY unethical.
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> >
> > Chris, it's not just an agree to disagree thing. It's that women emphasize
> > cooperation where men emphasize conquest. Self-interest is one thing, but
> > if you're going to go touting selfishness as a virtue, I'm not
>
>Can we be more precise here? I don't think that cooperation is more of a
>"female trait" and that competition is more of a "male trait". Why do the
>two have to be mutually exclusive, or why are we talking about them like
>they are?
>
>I realize this is mostly a discussion about corporate pract
At 10:08 AM 11/09/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>Alright since I'm probably one of those people who should have read the
>(yet non-existant) FAQ...
>I'm going to try to start one :).
This strikes me as a very good use for your energies, *provided that we get
some kind of control over the final form
At 01:28 PM 11/09/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>> Chris, it's not just an agree to disagree thing. It's that women emphasize
>> cooperation where men emphasize conquest. Self-interest is one thing, but
>
Just a few names:
Golda Meir
Margaret Thatcher
Francesca Sforza (got boil
just a note.. bill gates is on 60minII tonight
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just to be cute:
Ayn Rand
and
Karl Marx :)
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On Tue, 9
> What is that 10%about $10 Billion?
>
> if you were worth $90Billion, what difference does it make?
to me ?? i don't care since it's a lot more than i could spend,heck,if i
had 200 000$,i could live a bare minimum of 15 years without any income
(buy a 2 years old Toyota Corolla,then a lands
I have already beaten myself profusely with an old IDE cable...wrote a
script 100 times on the chalkboard and revoked my superuser
priviledges...what else do you want from me?
J B wrote:
[OS/2]
> Nobut it would have died anyway...M$ would never have agreed to
continue
> to update it, an
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, curious wrote:
> The Macintosh IS a PC... and for their platform they ARE controling who
for the purposes of this debate macintosh is *not* a pc -- pc is defined
as intel-compatible hardware (I know, I know, *technically* the mac is a
'personal computer', but that's not how w
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