Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Steven Liu
James Almer 于2016年11月29日 周二上午5:46写道: > On 11/28/2016 6:07 PM, James Almer wrote: > > On 11/28/2016 5:40 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > >> On 28.11.2016 13:18, James Almer wrote: > >>> [...] shit [...] shit [...] shit [...] shit. It's extremely > disrespectful. > >> Everyone reading your mail gets

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 6:07 PM, James Almer wrote: > On 11/28/2016 5:40 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: >> On 28.11.2016 13:18, James Almer wrote: >>> [...] shit [...] shit [...] shit [...] shit. It's extremely disrespectful. >> Everyone reading your mail gets a clear picture of who is disrespectful. >> > Maki

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 5:40 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > On 28.11.2016 13:18, James Almer wrote: >> [...] shit [...] shit [...] shit [...] shit. It's extremely disrespectful. > > Everyone reading your mail gets a clear picture of who is disrespectful. > Making my annoyance at the subject known using th

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet
On 11/26/2016 01:00 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: [..] Since a month has passed, reynaldo still hasn't responded, I think it's This is not correct. I have been working on weeding out it's private API usage problems. Last commit to this effect is from 3 weeks ago. Bests, -- Reynaldo H. Ver

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 28.11.2016 13:18, James Almer wrote: > [...] shit [...] shit [...] shit [...] shit. It's extremely disrespectful. Everyone reading your mail gets a clear picture of who is disrespectful. Please re-read our code of conduct and follow it in the future. I don't know why you are so enraged about

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 09:14:15AM -0500, compn wrote: [...] > so michael, my advice to you is to just OK the patch and deal with > ffserver later... if enough users come back to complain about its > demise. i feel that this discussion is going no where if both sides are > unable to come to a compr

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 05:03:53PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : > > How about the news entry on the website stating ffserver was meant to > > go with 3.2? And the discussions that lead to it? That's a good rational > > argument. > > # November

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 1:52 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 01:07:31PM -0300, James Almer wrote: >> On 11/28/2016 12:59 PM, Nicolas George wrote: >>> L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : No Nicolas. It's a reminder that this patch, as discussed and announced, >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread wm4
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:59:54 +0100 Nicolas George wrote: > > Look it up, stop trying to rewrite history and stop being part of the > > aforementioned malicious behavior. > > I see nothing malicious in trying to keep a useful program up to date. > You have strange priorities. I'm sorry to info

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 2:16 PM, Reto Kromer wrote: > I'm also very strongly for keeping ffserver. > > Best regards, Reto Thanks, but this was up to discussion months ago, not now. You're however welcome to help the efforts of making it work on its own separate repository if you're interested in it.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 1:39 PM, Nicolas George wrote: > L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : >> I discuss project management. This is a late attempt at overriding a decision >> from parties that didn't participate in the real decision making discussions. > > Maybe they did not participate b

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Reto Kromer
I'm also very strongly for keeping ffserver. Best regards, Reto ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread wm4
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:05:29 +0100 Paul B Mahol wrote: > On 11/28/16, compn wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 02:22:48 +0100 > > Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > >> I dont know if people want me and reynaldo to spend less time on > >> FFmpeg, but time is a finite resource. If ffserver is maintai

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 01:07:31PM -0300, James Almer wrote: > On 11/28/2016 12:59 PM, Nicolas George wrote: > > L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : > >> No Nicolas. It's a reminder that this patch, as discussed and announced, > >> will > >> be pushed. > > > > And the Corleone gi

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : > The suggestion can be made if that happens in the future, I can assure you, the suggestion will be made about five minutes about the push, if it happens. > i guess, but i > doubt it wi

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : > I discuss project management. This is a late attempt at overriding a decision > from parties that didn't participate in the real decision making discussions. Maybe they did not participate because they were busy working on the actual code. >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 1:31 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > On 11/28/16, James Almer wrote: >>> What difference does it make? >> >> That the decision was made, and there's no going back. And much less after >> the malicious attempts i already described and pointed you to, that you >> seemingly intend to ignore.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 11/28/16, James Almer wrote: >> What difference does it make? > > That the decision was made, and there's no going back. And much less after > the malicious attempts i already described and pointed you to, that you > seemingly intend to ignore. It can be readded later, after its fixed? ___

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : > No Nicolas. It's a reminder that this patch, as discussed and announced, will > be pushed. And the Corleone give you reminders that they will break your legs. > I don't care about ffserver. Then do not discuss ffserver. >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 12:59 PM, Nicolas George wrote: > L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : >> No Nicolas. It's a reminder that this patch, as discussed and announced, will >> be pushed. > > And the Corleone give you reminders that they will break your legs. > >> I don't care about ffser

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 1:03 PM, Nicolas George wrote: > L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : >> How about the news entry on the website stating ffserver was meant to >> go with 3.2? And the discussions that lead to it? That's a good rational >> argument. > > # November 29th, 2016, ffserver

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : > How about the news entry on the website stating ffserver was meant to > go with 3.2? And the discussions that lead to it? That's a good rational > argument. # November 29th, 2016, ffserver not removed # # Thanks to the efforts of dedicated dev

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 12:25 PM, Nicolas George wrote: > L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, Ronald S. Bultje a écrit : >> The majority. > > Rational arguments first. How about the news entry on the website stating ffserver was meant to go with 3.2? And the discussions that lead to it? That's a good rational a

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 12:24 PM, Nicolas George wrote: > L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : >> Threats? The only thing i see are reminders of what should have happened >> earlier and will happen soon, as discussed an announced. > > Reminding of unpleasant things over which you have total

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, Ronald S. Bultje a écrit : > To what end? Aren't we dug in, don't we need a decision and follow through > with the elected outcome? Democracy does not work that way. Before elections, you need campaigning, arguments, debating. That way people can make an informed dec

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Nicolas George wrote: > L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, Ronald S. Bultje a écrit : > > The majority. > > Rational arguments first. To what end? Aren't we dug in, don't we need a decision and follow through with the elected outcome? This has been going on f

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, Ronald S. Bultje a écrit : > The majority. Rational arguments first. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : > Threats? The only thing i see are reminders of what should have happened > earlier and will happen soon, as discussed an announced. Reminding of unpleasant things over which you have total control, that is called threats. "You will burn yours

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Nicolas George wrote: > L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, compn a écrit : > > these developers feel very strongly about removing ffserver. > > I feel very strongly about keeping ffserver. Who is right? The majority. OK, so this is going nowhere. Vote, everyon

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 8 frimaire, an CCXXV, compn a écrit : > these developers feel very strongly about removing ffserver. I feel very strongly about keeping ffserver. Who is right? signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-d

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 11/28/16, compn wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 02:22:48 +0100 > Michael Niedermayer wrote: > >> I dont know if people want me and reynaldo to spend less time on >> FFmpeg, but time is a finite resource. If ffserver is maintained >> externally it would mean a noticable hit in maintaince man hours

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread compn
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 02:22:48 +0100 Michael Niedermayer wrote: > I dont know if people want me and reynaldo to spend less time on > FFmpeg, but time is a finite resource. If ffserver is maintained > externally it would mean a noticable hit in maintaince man hours of > FFmpeg. Now it might be that

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 11:04 AM, compn wrote: > maybe when there is a conflict of opinion on a patch, we should agree > to disagree on said patch and ignore it? > > instead of arguing endlessly about it? No. The one patch where that was an option was the news entry patch, the last time this whole deal was

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread compn
maybe when there is a conflict of opinion on a patch, we should agree to disagree on said patch and ignore it? instead of arguing endlessly about it? not specifically targeting you, james, but a lot of people in this thread. -compn ___ ffmpeg-devel mai

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread James Almer
On 11/28/2016 7:34 AM, Nicolas George wrote: > Le septidi 7 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : >> We don't care about testing it with FATE. > > Yes, we do. > >> It appears to me that you still >> don't >> get that ffserver is being *dropped*. It is

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Matthieu Bouron
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 02:22:48AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 05:31:39PM -0500, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Michael Niedermayer > > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 07:30:24PM +0100, Clément Bœsch wrote: > > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-28 Thread Nicolas George
Le septidi 7 frimaire, an CCXXV, James Almer a écrit : > We don't care about testing it with FATE. Yes, we do. > It appears to me that you still > don't > get that ffserver is being *dropped*. It is, as discussed and announced, no > longer part of the pr

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 05:31:39PM -0500, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 07:30:24PM +0100, Clément Bœsch wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 06:49:35PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > > On Sun

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread James Almer
On 11/27/2016 8:53 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > On 28.11.2016 00:37, James Almer wrote: >> On 11/27/2016 8:23 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: >>> This can't happen while ffserver still uses internal API, and when it >>> doesn't >>> making it standalone isn't really useful, in particular because a s

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Josh de Kock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2016/11/27 23:56, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > On 27 November 2016 at 23:20, James Almer > wrote: > >> On 11/26/2016 6:00 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: >>> On 26 October 2016 at 23:43, Rostislav Pehlivanov >>> >>> >>> Since a month has pass

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Rostislav Pehlivanov
On 27 November 2016 at 23:20, James Almer wrote: > On 11/26/2016 6:00 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > > On 26 October 2016 at 23:43, Rostislav Pehlivanov > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On 26 October 2016 at 23:33, Andreas Cadhalpun < > >> andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 28.11.2016 00:37, James Almer wrote: > On 11/27/2016 8:23 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: >> This can't happen while ffserver still uses internal API, and when it doesn't >> making it standalone isn't really useful, in particular because a standalone >> version can't be tested with FATE. > > We do

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread James Almer
On 11/27/2016 8:23 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > On 28.11.2016 00:14, James Almer wrote: >> On 11/27/2016 7:32 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: >>> On 26.11.2016 22:00, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: Since a month has passed, reynaldo still hasn't responded, I think it's long overdue to push th

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 28.11.2016 00:14, James Almer wrote: > On 11/27/2016 7:32 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: >> On 26.11.2016 22:00, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: >>> Since a month has passed, reynaldo still hasn't responded, I think it's >>> long overdue to push this patch. I've attached a new version of the patch >>>

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread James Almer
On 11/26/2016 6:00 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > On 26 October 2016 at 23:43, Rostislav Pehlivanov > wrote: > >> >> >> On 26 October 2016 at 23:33, Andreas Cadhalpun < >> andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 27.10.2016 00:16, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: On 26 October 2016 a

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread James Almer
On 11/27/2016 7:32 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > On 26.11.2016 22:00, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: >> Since a month has passed, reynaldo still hasn't responded, I think it's >> long overdue to push this patch. I've attached a new version of the patch >> which only removes the ffserver program (with

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 26.11.2016 22:00, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > Since a month has passed, reynaldo still hasn't responded, I think it's > long overdue to push this patch. I've attached a new version of the patch > which only removes the ffserver program (without touching anything else), > which had been OK'd by

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 27.11.2016 19:36, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > If somethig critical remains, please someone list exactly what that is. > so reynaldo, i or others can go over the list and look into the issues As far as I'm aware the following points are most problematic: * ffserver uses internal functions, see

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 07:30:24PM +0100, Clément Bœsch wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 06:49:35PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:57:36PM +0100, Clément Bœsch wrote: > > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Clément Bœsch
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 07:46:34PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: [...] > > You can fix a ton of little things in it, but unless the fundamental > > problems are addressed (ZERO internal API usage + at least partial FATE > > coverage) it's pointless > > of course the goal is ZERO internal API u

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 07:30:24PM +0100, Clément Bœsch wrote: > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 06:49:35PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:57:36PM +0100, Clément Bœsch wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:25:18PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > [...] > > > > ffs

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 02:05:44PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 09:00:41PM +, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > > On 26 October 2016 at 23:43, Rostislav Pehlivanov > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 26 October 2016 at 23:33, Andreas Cadhalpun < > > > andreas.cadhal

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Clément Bœsch
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 06:49:35PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:57:36PM +0100, Clément Bœsch wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:25:18PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > [...] > > > ffserver had 14 commits to it in about the last month > > > > That's also p

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:57:36PM +0100, Clément Bœsch wrote: > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:25:18PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > [...] > > ffserver had 14 commits to it in about the last month > > That's also pretty close to the number of commits in the last years. > > Good will in the las

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Clément Bœsch
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 04:25:18PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: [...] > ffserver had 14 commits to it in about the last month That's also pretty close to the number of commits in the last years. Good will in the last weeks is not enough of a technical merit/justification to prevent the remov

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 02:33:54PM +0100, wm4 wrote: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:05:44 +0100 > Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 09:00:41PM +, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > > > On 26 October 2016 at 23:43, Rostislav Pehlivanov > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread wm4
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:05:44 +0100 Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 09:00:41PM +, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > > On 26 October 2016 at 23:43, Rostislav Pehlivanov > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 26 October 2016 at 23:33, Andreas Cadhalpun < > > > andreas.cadhal.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-27 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 09:00:41PM +, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > On 26 October 2016 at 23:43, Rostislav Pehlivanov > wrote: > > > > > > > On 26 October 2016 at 23:33, Andreas Cadhalpun < > > andreas.cadhal...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > >> On 27.10.2016 00:16, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-25 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 25.11.2016 22:22, wm4 wrote: > On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:13:54 +0100 > Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > >> On 25.11.2016 10:36, wm4 wrote: >>> I'd like to add that removing the ffserver support from the libs, and >>> all deprecated stuff it depends on, will make it actually easier to >>> readd ffserver

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-25 Thread wm4
On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:13:54 +0100 Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > On 25.11.2016 10:36, wm4 wrote: > > I'd like to add that removing the ffserver support from the libs, and > > all deprecated stuff it depends on, will make it actually easier to > > readd ffserver in a cleaner way. It reduces the risk

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-25 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 25.11.2016 10:36, wm4 wrote: > I'd like to add that removing the ffserver support from the libs, and > all deprecated stuff it depends on, will make it actually easier to > readd ffserver in a cleaner way. It reduces the risk that the new > ffserver accidentally depends on mechanisms that were s

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-25 Thread wm4
On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 21:40:14 -0300 James Almer wrote: > On 11/24/2016 8:48 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > > On 24.11.2016 10:53, Josh de Kock wrote: > >> There's no benefit in waiting for this to occur before ffserver is > >> removed as it will always be in git history. Removing ffserver from >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-24 Thread James Almer
On 11/24/2016 8:48 PM, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > On 24.11.2016 10:53, Josh de Kock wrote: >> There's no benefit in waiting for this to occur before ffserver is >> removed as it will always be in git history. Removing ffserver from >> master may even speed up the "resurrection of ffserver". I think

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-24 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 24.11.2016 10:53, Josh de Kock wrote: > There's no benefit in waiting for this to occur before ffserver is > removed as it will always be in git history. Removing ffserver from > master may even speed up the "resurrection of ffserver". I think this > shouldn't be delayed any further. Similarly

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-11-24 Thread Josh de Kock
On 29/10/2016 16:53, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > On 28.10.2016 19:31, compn wrote: >> On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:42:22 -0300 James Almer wrote: >>> On 10/27/2016 3:36 PM, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: On 10/27/2016 11:25 AM, James Almer wrote: > This is not how things were agreed. I

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-30 Thread James Almer
On 10/30/2016 8:23 PM, Lukasz Marek wrote: > On 27.10.2016 20:26, Michael Niedermayer wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:03:07AM -0700, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: >> I agree with moving the apps to a seperate repo hosted within >> the same infra and keeping ffserver. >> I will help with

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-30 Thread Lukasz Marek
On 27.10.2016 20:26, Michael Niedermayer wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:03:07AM -0700, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: I agree with moving the apps to a seperate repo hosted within the same infra and keeping ffserver. I will help with ffserver as my time & todo list permits I don't follo

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-29 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
Hi Reynaldo, On 28.10.2016 20:41, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: > I'm already working on what I think it's a proper transition in > line with the idea presented on my first reply to this thread. > > My impression from today's discussion on IRC is that James > and Rostislav are willing to gi

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-29 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 28.10.2016 19:31, compn wrote: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:42:22 -0300 James Almer wrote: >> On 10/27/2016 3:36 PM, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: >>> On 10/27/2016 11:25 AM, James Almer wrote: This is not how things were agreed. >>> I haven't agreed to this. >> You could have shown your

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-28 Thread Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet
Hi I'm already working on what I think it's a proper transition in line with the idea presented on my first reply to this thread. My impression from today's discussion on IRC is that James and Rostislav are willing to give this process some time but nothing past next release. Bests, -- Reynal

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-28 Thread James Almer
On 10/28/2016 2:31 PM, compn wrote: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:42:22 -0300 James Almer wrote: >> On 10/27/2016 3:36 PM, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: >>> On 10/27/2016 11:25 AM, James Almer wrote: This is not how things were agreed. >>> I haven't agreed to this. >> You could have shown you

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-28 Thread compn
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:42:22 -0300 James Almer wrote: > On 10/27/2016 3:36 PM, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: > > On 10/27/2016 11:25 AM, James Almer wrote: > >> This is not how things were agreed. > > I haven't agreed to this. > You could have shown your displeasure in the relevant discussion

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-27 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet < reyna...@osg.samsung.com> wrote: > Hello > > On 10/27/2016 11:25 AM, James Almer wrote: > >> [..] >> >> This is not how things were agreed. >> >> > I haven't agreed to this. Agreement that does not have to be unanimous. Ronald

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-27 Thread Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet
Hello On 10/27/2016 11:25 AM, James Almer wrote: [..] This is not how things were agreed. I haven't agreed to this. The patch fixes nothing while breaking master for ffserver users. There's a way forward, but the patch can't be applied before it happens. Bests, -- Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pino

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-27 Thread James Almer
On 10/27/2016 3:36 PM, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: > Hello > > On 10/27/2016 11:25 AM, James Almer wrote: >> [..] >> >> This is not how things were agreed. >> > > I haven't agreed to this. You could have shown your displeasure in the relevant discussion and patch threads, and on IRC. Why

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-27 Thread James Almer
On 10/27/2016 3:22 PM, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: > I understand you might be upset but please refrain from > using bad language. > > The way I see it your removal will happen once there's a > solution in place just not before. This is why the patch > is not rejected. This is not how thi

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-27 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:03:07AM -0700, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: > I'm not OK with this patch. My reasons are: > > * There are users relying on it > * We gain nothing by removing ffserver without a > replacement or alternate solution > > One solution I would support is a transition

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-27 Thread Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet
I understand you might be upset but please refrain from using bad language. The way I see it your removal will happen once there's a solution in place just not before. This is why the patch is not rejected. Bests, -- Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet Open Source Group - Samsung Research America

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-27 Thread Rostislav Pehlivanov
On 27 October 2016 at 19:14, James Almer wrote: > On 10/27/2016 3:03 PM, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: > > I'm not OK with this patch. My reasons are: > > > > * There are users relying on it > > * We gain nothing by removing ffserver without a > > replacement or alternate solution > > > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-27 Thread James Almer
On 10/27/2016 3:03 PM, Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet wrote: > I'm not OK with this patch. My reasons are: > > * There are users relying on it > * We gain nothing by removing ffserver without a > replacement or alternate solution > We've discussed the removal of ffserver and even /announced/ it

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-27 Thread Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet
I'm not OK with this patch. My reasons are: * There are users relying on it * We gain nothing by removing ffserver without a replacement or alternate solution One solution I would support is a transition made by moving all applications to a separate repo hosted within the same infra. With a co

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-27 Thread James Almer
On 10/26/2016 7:43 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > From 48d1ed653e7841f49f50559510ca06f524cbbf1f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Rostislav Pehlivanov > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:38:46 +0100 > Subject: [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program > > Also changes the mpjpeg boundary tag to "ffmpeg" (it'

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-26 Thread Andreas Cadhalpun
On 27.10.2016 00:16, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > On 26 October 2016 at 22:48, James Almer wrote: > >> On 10/26/2016 6:19 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: >>> Also removes url_feof from libavformat.v which should have been >>> removed long ago and changed the multipart jpeg boundary tag to >>> ff

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Remove the ffserver program and the ffm muxer/demuxer

2016-10-26 Thread James Almer
On 10/26/2016 6:19 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > Also removes url_feof from libavformat.v which should have been > removed long ago and changed the multipart jpeg boundary tag to > ffmpeg rather than ffserver (it's arbitrary). [...] > diff --git a/libavformat/libavformat.v b/libavformat/libav