Re: [AFMUG] home networks

When our WISP started doing managed WiFi our reasoning was that people try to make their internal stuff our problem anyway. If they're going to put that on us, then we might as well get paid for it. I think the difference between this and the old phone stuff is that we don't make it mandatory.

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

My experience, we find the majority of our customers do take a managed router, we charge $8/mo. If they have that, we try to be helpful as we can with home network issues including occasionally needing to send a tech out to figure out what's going on. It is not a "covers anything repair plan" thoug

Re: [AFMUG] 1Gbps link

...or you make the project financially viable instead of continuing to under utilize 11 GHz as it has been for the last 10 years? In the event you are such a "bad neighbor" you're forced to upgrade regardless. On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 7:47 PM TJ Trout wrote: > Yep you screw yourself and neighbor

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

>My only complaint was that much of the audio was much too loud and drowned out a lot of the dialogue; especially when Dylan was doing his trademark mumbling. Maybe that was the point? Did you watch it in theaters? I've read that theater sound makes these audio situations significantly better an

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

Last movie I saw in a theater was probably the 2008 film Shine A Light in an IMAX theater. It faithfully reproduced the live concert experience, by which I mean you were deaf for the next 12 hours. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 10:31 AM To: AnimalFarm

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

IMAX is on a totally different level than most movies. There is feedback from the IMAX department to each of the theaters as well as specific requirements for the venue. On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:16 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Last movie I saw in a theater was probably the 2008 film Shine A Light i

[AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

I see them (multiple vendors, after the first of the year) jacking up the rates, sometimes by up to 20%. I’m wondering whether it’s market forces, compensating for overspending on govt subsidized builds that they now have to recoup, or just because they can? What are you seeing in other markets?

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

I’ll have you know I have a photographic memory. https://www.gocomics.com/brewsterrockit/2025/01/27 From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 11:42 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks Look whose talkin’... pretty sure yo

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

cellular is a lot nicer to decipher for the most part I personally think the players see the writing on the wall and will jack rates to monetize before the feds step in to control prices. On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:08 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I think the broadband “nutrition labels” are stupid, bu

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

Jesus was about 30 years older... But the same generation... LOL so you could be both. Jesus was my homeboy then I listened to Nero fiddle... a Twofer... On 1/27/25 12:19, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: Jesus was my homeboy was that before or after Nero? -Original Message- From: R

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

Jesus was my homeboy was that before or after Nero? -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 1:10 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks How about "listening when Nero fiddled"? On 1/27/25 10:15, Bill Prince wrote: I was at the pla

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

Oops... & this is interesting... Gemini lists Jesus as born estimated at between 6 and 4 BC ( isn't that BC supposed to be Before Christ? ) so Jesus was born before himself? and Nero was 37 AD which I thought was "After Death" but, again, I was wrong So Nero was 39 years older than Jesus

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

You can count on Cell companies greed. Like clockwork, they will cancel agreements and jack rates when they see the bottom line less than their bonus agreements need On 1/27/25 12:29, Steve Jones wrote: cellular is a lot nicer to decipher for the most part I personally think the players

Re: [AFMUG] 1Gbps link

We have a wave pro at 4 miles in MN and I can tell you rain took it down much more than 1 hour in the last 12 months. Even if it was up, the signal was so poor it could only provide 100 Mbps. I have AF11 links that also go down sometimes at 4 and 5.5 miles in heavy rain. Aviat has a lot more power

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

Yeah, that's expected. They didn't start the new calendar the day he was born. People had to try to figure it out after the fact. From: AF on behalf of Robert Andrews Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 3:43 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home netwo

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

Don't forget metronet has a mandatory $12.95 tech assure fee on top of all their advertised rates. It's hidden in the fine print and surprises most new customers. They also increase the promo rate every year for 4 years. So their gig service pricing is as follows: Year 1 - $63 Year 2 - $73 Year 3

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

Supposedly AD is Anno Domini (Year of Our Lord). After Death wouldn't make sense anyway, unless he was born and died in the same year. From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 2:59 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks Yeah, that's expected. T

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

At least in the case of Comcast, they see their "cable business" (NBC included) as declining value, so they are shifting their revenue stream to the one thing they have left. bp On 1/27/2025 9:20 AM, Dev wrote: I see them (multiple vendors, after the first of the year) jacking up the rates

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

Comcast, or Xfinity? Many people seem to think those are two different companies. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 3:14 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now? At least in the case of Comcast, th

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

Seriously, John Oldman? Like Saul Goodman? -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 3:17 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks The whole "when Jesus was born" is a surprisingly squishy time. Probably not born in what we now

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

Where is the PC BCE, come on you woke folk... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 2:09 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks Supposedly AD is Anno Domini (Year of Our Lord). After Death wouldn’t make sense anyway, unless he was born and die

[AFMUG] BEAD pause and hope most of the funding goes away

https://statescoop.com/bead-broadband-trump-executive-order-infrastructure-b ill-2025/ Good start. I hope they take away the funding. Thank you, Tushar Patel tpa...@ecpi.com www.westernbroadband.com (512) 257-2733

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

Look whose talkin’... pretty sure you and Bill got prolly a decade on me... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 10:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks “older than dirt” From: AF On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

And that’s why I use my HD DVD along with my laser disk... From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 10:39 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review Most games do *NOT* fit on the 128GB blu ray. On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:38 PM Ken Hohhof wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

I heard a rumor that Chuck was around when the light bulb was invented too On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 8:58 AM wrote: > I was a telco installer repairman back in the day when the order came down > that everyone had to now have modular jacks and they could indeed buy and > use their own phone. I spent

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

Gigabit fiber here in town is $49.95. Metronet is hungry to steal customers because everyone is so damned lazy to switch. Spectrum is $30 for 100 meg for the first year. Both companies skyrocket 1.5x after that first year and Metronet is even more in the third year. When you say jacking up rate

Re: [AFMUG] 1Gbps link

Can you predict 60 GHz range without knowing the rain zone? I believe Jason is near Springfield, IL, so it does rain. I think it’s ITU rain zone K? My observation is many strong storms track from St. Louis to Indianapolis, I attribute it to the St. Louis arch. From: AF On Behalf Of Peter

Re: [AFMUG] 1Gbps link

4 Miles reliably, without using the too-slow / interference-adding 5ghz backup? Because we have a 4 mile 60ghz AL60LR link installed as an experiment, that fails everytime it rains. On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 11:02 a.m. Peter Kranz via AF wrote: > 11Ghz is a waste of money for 4 Miles.. You can easi

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

That particular theater no longer has IMAX. Apparently people didn’t care? Just like apparently Blu Ray is dying. I read that quad layer Blu Ray can hold 128 GB per disk, so most games could be distributed on one disc, but nobody does that. I suspect it has to do with the trend toward you do

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

“older than dirt” From: AF On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 11:26 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks I heard a rumor that Chuck was around when the light bulb was invented too On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 8:58 AM mailto:ch...@go-mtc

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

I went to a play yesterday in a relatively new purpose built theater in SLC. I have been there about 3 times now. Each time the sound was horrible for me. It is too loud and I get some kind of odd non linear distortion that makes it hard to understand the dialog. The rest of my family did no

Re: [AFMUG] 1Gbps link

Wave-PRO at 4 miles will maintain a link up to 34mm/hr. According to the ITU rain zone table for K, this will be exceeded 0.01% of the year, which is roughly 1 hr/year. During that period, you still have the 5Ghz radio to fall back on. Seems like a reasonable compromise given the immense delta i

Re: [AFMUG] 1Gbps link

Agreed with AF60LR not being reliable at 4 miles, I’ve experienced this as well.. You get more link budget with Wave-PRO.. -45 vs -53 at this distance. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr.

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

Well we used scare tactics, like if you buy your own phone there won’t be anyone to fix it... But for only $2/month you could add a “line backer” to your account so you will not be left high and dry... From: TJ Trout Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 10:25 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

Most games do *NOT* fit on the 128GB blu ray. On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:38 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > That particular theater no longer has IMAX. Apparently people didn’t > care? Just like apparently Blu Ray is dying. I read that quad layer Blu > Ray can hold 128 GB per disk, so most games could

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

I haven’t noticed that. Someone seems to always have it for rent. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 10:37 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review That particular theater no longer has IMAX. Apparently people didn’t care? Just like ap

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

HDD is slow as hell, so consoles don't use them anymore. SSD is way faster than gigabit. On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:18 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > The games >100 GB that precipitate people complaining their Internet is > too slow seem to be COD and Starfield. > > > > https://gamerant.com/pc-games-fil

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

In our WISP days we did promos where we went from $30/month to $50/month after a year. We told them verbally on the phone exactly what the price would change to, and when it would happen, and it was spelled out in writing on the order form too. Some of them would still call and complain about

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

Laziness prevails. Evidence: every big provider jacking up their rates. On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:19 PM Dev wrote: > Generally after the introductory offer. Does anyone read the fine print, > or want to call their call center on a small island of people who speak > not-English to try to cancel

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

I think the broadband “nutrition labels” are stupid, but it has forced everyone to be a little more transparent about promo vs standard pricing. We recently lost a customer to Hughesnet. Excuse me, “the New Hughesnet, Jupiter powered”. I hope they enjoy that experience. From: AF On Beh

Re: [AFMUG] BEAD pause and hope most of the funding goes away

https://www.cablinginstall.com/standards/article/55263017/bead-funds-unaffected-by-trumps-day-1-executive-orders On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 10:35 AM wrote: > > https://statescoop.com/bead-broadband-trump-executive-order-infrastructure-bill-2025/ > > > > Good start. I hope they take away the funding

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

I was a telco installer repairman back in the day when the order came down that everyone had to now have modular jacks and they could indeed buy and use their own phone. I spent months going to homes and installing jacks and modular line cords on telco owned phones. We did every single phone i

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

Even a difference between off the air and a networked stream of the same program. Oddly enough, the stream had better audio than the broadcast version. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 6:43 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review >My o

Re: [AFMUG] 1Gbps link

11Ghz is a waste of money for 4 Miles.. You can easily deliver 1Gbps at 4 Miles with a pair of Wave-Pro radios. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: AF On Behal

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

Yes, we went to a theater. It had been a number of years since we actually went to a commercial theater (since well before tha pandemic, but I'm guessing maybe 10 years). I was not prepared for the experience. Very large recliners with electric footrest/recline action. Not too many seats in the

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

At best, mine’s a pornographic memory. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 11:01 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks I’ll have you know I have a photographic memory. https://www.gocomics.com/brewsterrockit/2025/01/27 From: AF On Behal

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie review

The games >100 GB that precipitate people complaining their Internet is too slow seem to be COD and Starfield. https://gamerant.com/pc-games-file-size-hd-space-biggest-huge/ The problem is often unsolvable. A 150 GB game will still take about 3.5 hours to download on a 100 Mbps connectio

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

I was at the play when Lincoln was shot. bp On 1/27/2025 9:41 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: Look whose talkin’... pretty sure  you and Bill got prolly a decade on me... *From:* Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 10:38 AM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

Generally after the introductory offer. Does anyone read the fine print, or want to call their call center on a small island of people who speak not-English to try to cancel later? It might be good news for companies who don’t want to jerk their users around, now the question is whether customer

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

How about "listening when Nero fiddled"? On 1/27/25 10:15, Bill Prince wrote: I was at the play when Lincoln was shot. bp On 1/27/2025 9:41 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: Look whose talkin’... pretty sure  you and Bill got prolly a decade on me... *From:* Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Monday, January 27

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

Quick, buy up Afinity...Zfinity Xfinal Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 2:34 P

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

hahaha I recall in the 80's seeing something on 20/20 or 60 Minutes about a phone company called "I Don't Care." Apparently if you made a collect call from a pay phone the operator would ask which carrier to use, and a lot of people would say "I Don't Care". I think the story was that it ended

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

Maybe. I don’t understand the whole brand thing. Like RCN buys WoW and rebrands it Astound? Personally I would not choose a name that sounds like AssTown. And AT&T had UVerse but then the geniuses decided to rebrand it … AT&T Internet! Or Viasat buys WildBlue, renames it Exede, then rena

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

The whole "when Jesus was born" is a surprisingly squishy time. Probably not born in what we now call December either. Ask this guy. He says he was Jesus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth bp On 1/27/2025 12:43 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: Oops... & this is interesting...  Gemin

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

i wonder if mediacom rebranded to xtreme to get confusion clicks from xfinity On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 3:22 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Comcast, or Xfinity? Many people seem to think those are two different > companies. > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince > Sent: Monda

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

I actually worked for “The Telephone Company” once upon a time. It was a DBA of Beehive Telephone Company. They filed for it I think when equal access was proposed. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 2:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Bro

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

Did Ernestine the operator work there? “We don’t care. We’re the phone company. We don’t have to.” From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 4:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now? I actually w

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

But they really didn’t in many places. Mountain States Telephone and Telegraph > Mountain Bell > US West > Quest > Century Link >Lumen From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 4:34 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now? Jo

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

If you watch the movie, the guy changed his home & name about every 10 years so that people would not notice that he didn't age. I would imagine that every 14,000 years, your name repository gets kind of thin. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:27 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] home networks

You tell me what is PC, BCE and woke please. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:30 PM wrote: > Where is the PC BCE, come on you woke folk... > > > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 2:09 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

Jon Stewart had a whole shtick about how AT&T got broke up into all the baby bells and then slowly re-aggregated into... att -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 2:03 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Maybe. > > > > I don’t understand the whole brand thing. Like RCN buys WoW and reb

Re: [AFMUG] 1Gbps link

This is pretty much the conclusion that I've come to. Thanks for all of the input everyone! On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 2:50 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > We have a wave pro at 4 miles in MN and I can tell you rain took it down > much more than 1 hour in the last 12 months. Even if it was up, the signal

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

And under it all is still Charter... On 1/27/25 3:31 PM, Bill Prince wrote: I consider them the same and use Xfinity and Comcast interchangeably. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:22 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: Comcast, or Xfinity?  Many people seem to think those are t

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

Except based upon Southern Bell, which was the most corrupt of all the regional bells.. Stories to tell of them... On 1/27/25 3:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Jon Stewart had a whole shtick about how AT&T got broke up into all the baby bells and then slowly re-aggregated into... att -- bp part15s

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

I consider them the same and use Xfinity and Comcast interchangeably. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:22 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Comcast, or Xfinity? Many people seem to think those are two different > companies. > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] Big Broadband jacking up rates now?

No, they're two different cable companies. Charter (CHTR) and Comcast (CMCSA) On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 7:15 PM Robert wrote: > And under it all is still Charter... > > On 1/27/25 3:31 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > I consider them the same and use Xfinity and Comcast interchangeably. > -- > bp > par