You tell me what is PC, BCE and woke please.
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:30 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
> Where is the PC BCE, come on you woke folk...
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 2:09 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home networks
>
>
> Supposedly AD is Anno Domini (Year of Our Lord). After Death wouldn’t
> make sense anyway, unless he was born and died in the same year.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 2:59 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home networks
>
>
>
> Yeah, that's expected. They didn't start the new calendar the day he was
> born. People had to try to figure it out after the fact.
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Robert Andrews <
> i...@avantwireless.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 3:43 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home networks
>
>
>
> Oops... & this is interesting... Gemini lists Jesus as born estimated
> at between 6 and 4 BC ( isn't that BC supposed to be Before Christ? )
> so Jesus was born before himself? and Nero was 37 AD which I thought
> was "After Death" but, again, I was wrong So Nero was 39 years older
> than Jesus... and fiddled in 64 AD so you would have to have lived
> between 40 and 65 years depending upon when Jesus was your homeboy...
>
> On 1/27/25 12:33, Robert Andrews wrote:
> > Jesus was about 30 years older... But the same generation... LOL so
> > you could be both. Jesus was my homeboy then I listened to Nero
> > fiddle... a Twofer...
> >
> > On 1/27/25 12:19, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
> >> Jesus was my homeboy.... was that before or after Nero?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
> >> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 1:10 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks
> >>
> >> How about "listening when Nero fiddled"?
> >>
> >> On 1/27/25 10:15, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>> I was at the play when Lincoln was shot.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> bp
> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >>>
> >>> On 1/27/2025 9:41 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
> >>>> Look whose talkin’... pretty sure you and Bill got prolly a decade
> >>>> on me...
> >>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 10:38 AM
> >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home networks
> >>>>
> >>>> “older than dirt”
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 11:26 AM
> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home networks
> >>>>
> >>>> I heard a rumor that Chuck was around when the light bulb was
> >>>> invented too
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 8:58 AM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I was a telco installer repairman back in the day when the order
> >>>> came down that everyone had to now have modular jacks and they
> >>>> could indeed buy and use their own phone. I spent months going to
> >>>> homes and installing jacks and modular line cords on telco owned
> >>>> phones. We did every single phone in our service area. But we
> >>>> still collected rent on the phones. Nothing forced them to buy
> >>>> and own.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best Regards,
> >>>> Chuck McCown
> >>>>
> >>>> McCown Technology Corporation
> >>>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> >>>>
> >>>> <
> https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> >>>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> >>>>
> >>>> <
> https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> >>>> 801-250-9503 Office
> >>>> 435-830-4306 Cell
> >>>> www.mccowntech.com <http://www.mccowntech.com>
> >>>> www.microtrench.pro <http://www.microtrench.pro>
> >>>> www.terabitnetworks.com <http://www.terabitnetworks.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:*Chris Fabien
> >>>>
> >>>> *Sent:*Monday, January 27, 2025 6:40 AM
> >>>>
> >>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>>>
> >>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] home networks
> >>>>
> >>>> My experience, we find the majority of our customers do take a
> >>>> managed router, we charge $8/mo. If they have that, we try to be
> >>>> helpful as we can with home network issues including occasionally
> >>>> needing to send a tech out to figure out what's going on. It is
> >>>> not a "covers anything repair plan" though, physical damage is
> >>>> still a paid repair. For outbuildings, if the customer will
> >>>> install a conduit to the building we will have tech pull a cat5
> >>>> and install a mesh AP out there for $5 additional monthly cost. If
> >>>> it's longer than ~300ft we tell them its outside of our scope and
> >>>> we'd need to install a second fiber service, or they can do
> >>>> whatever else they want on their own (fiber run, wireless link
> >>>> etc) but it's not supported by us then.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 8:18 PM Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it’s smaller number than we think that want to know
> >>>> about the bits, SNR, etc. Those are just the kinds of people
> >>>> we really like.
> >>>>
> >>>> The other majority, probably vast majority, just want to see
> >>>> magic happen and not know why, so they can get back to wasting
> >>>> their valuable time as a nation of observers, not
> >>>> participants. You can have to do stuff to participate, easier
> >>>> to just observe. Those people don’t own businesses like ours,
> >>>> or want to, or want to know how they work really.
> >>>>
> >>>> </rant>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 26, 2025, at 10:23 AM, Ken Hohhof
> >>>> <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Carterfone decision was 1968, up to that point you leased
> >>>> your phones from the phone company which maintained the
> >>>> inside wiring. If you added another phone, your bill went
> >>>> up, and they would run automated line tests to detect
> >>>> phones you weren’t paying for. After Carterfone, telcos
> >>>> installed demarcs on the outside of houses and were
> >>>> responsible for the network up to the demarc, unless you
> >>>> paid extra for home wiring maintenance. Nobody rents or
> >>>> even buys their landline phones from the phone company
> >>>> anymore.
> >>>>
> >>>> So is anyone surprised that home Internet is kind of going
> >>>> the opposite direction?
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, we find our customers divide into two camps. The
> >>>> majority think leasing things like routers is a ripoff by
> >>>> greedy ISPs, and they want to own and manage their own
> >>>> networking equipment (whether they actually know how to do
> >>>> that or not). Basically they figure that after a couple
> >>>> years it would be cheaper to own it.
> >>>>
> >>>> But another group views it all as “Internet”, and they’re
> >>>> paying us for Internet, right? The big ISPs have mostly
> >>>> accepted this and actually use it as a marketing tool
> >>>> under the name “whole home WiFi”. But in reality, they
> >>>> just sell or lease you additional WiFi mesh nodes which
> >>>> you can plug in where you want and monitor with an app if
> >>>> you want. Still pretty much DIY.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where that kind of breaks down is that many people in our
> >>>> rural area have outbuildings which may be barns, or shop
> >>>> buildings, or man caves and party barns where they watch
> >>>> football games. And of course all of the above need
> >>>> security cameras.
> >>>>
> >>>> So there are DIY solutions to these, and a limited number
> >>>> we are willing to install. We don’t do trenching, and we
> >>>> won’t do the WiFi mesh node in the window trick, even
> >>>> though it might work OK if they do it themselves. But
> >>>> some customers seem frustrated because they think it’s all
> >>>> Internet and if they’re paying us for Internet we have to
> >>>> get it to every corner of every building.
> >>>>
> >>>> I mean, I guess the landline phone company will install
> >>>> phone jacks in additional rooms or even bury wires to
> >>>> other buildings, but you’re going to pay labor and
> >>>> materials plus pay for maintenance. Maybe it’s all in
> >>>> “managing customer expectations” and I’m not good enough
> >>>> at that. Somehow when it comes to Internet, some people
> >>>> seem to think anything Internet related is covered by
> >>>> their monthly bill. I have seen some WISPs offer a
> >>>> monthly maintenance plan, but you’d think that would cover
> >>>> repairs, not unlimited home networking additions and
> >>>> device support. I feel like we’re expected to be the free
> >>>> version of Geek Squad.
> >>>>
> >>>> It just seems strange to me that on one hand people
> >>>> celebrate their freedom to not pay the phone company for
> >>>> their home wiring and phones, but on the other hand they
> >>>> expect almost concierge level service from their ISP. But
> >>>> I’m also surprised at people who have Amazon or Walmart
> >>>> deliver their groceries and put them in the garage or even
> >>>> the fridge. I wonder how that goes with people who have
> >>>> dogs.
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