Seriously, John Oldman? Like Saul Goodman? -----Original Message----- From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 3:17 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks
The whole "when Jesus was born" is a surprisingly squishy time. Probably not born in what we now call December either. Ask this guy. He says he was Jesus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/27/2025 12:43 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > Oops... & this is interesting... Gemini lists Jesus as born estimated > at between 6 and 4 BC ( isn't that BC supposed to be Before Christ? ) > so Jesus was born before himself? and Nero was 37 AD which I thought > was "After Death" but, again, I was wrong So Nero was 39 years older > than Jesus... and fiddled in 64 AD so you would have to have lived > between 40 and 65 years depending upon when Jesus was your homeboy... > > On 1/27/25 12:33, Robert Andrews wrote: >> Jesus was about 30 years older... But the same generation... LOL >> so you could be both. Jesus was my homeboy then I listened to Nero >> fiddle... a Twofer... >> >> On 1/27/25 12:19, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: >>> Jesus was my homeboy.... was that before or after Nero? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews >>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 1:10 PM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks >>> >>> How about "listening when Nero fiddled"? >>> >>> On 1/27/25 10:15, Bill Prince wrote: >>>> I was at the play when Lincoln was shot. >>>> >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 1/27/2025 9:41 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: >>>>> Look whose talkin’... pretty sure you and Bill got prolly a decade >>>>> on me... >>>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 10:38 AM >>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home networks >>>>> >>>>> “older than dirt” >>>>> >>>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 11:26 AM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home networks >>>>> >>>>> I heard a rumor that Chuck was around when the light bulb was >>>>> invented too >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 8:58 AM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I was a telco installer repairman back in the day when the >>>>> order >>>>> came down that everyone had to now have modular jacks and they >>>>> could indeed buy and use their own phone. I spent months >>>>> going to >>>>> homes and installing jacks and modular line cords on telco >>>>> owned >>>>> phones. We did every single phone in our service area. But >>>>> we >>>>> still collected rent on the phones. Nothing forced them to >>>>> buy >>>>> and own. >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Chuck McCown >>>>> >>>>> McCown Technology Corporation >>>>> 8401 N Commerce Dr >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+ >>>>> Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> >>>>> Lake Point, Utah 84074 >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+ >>>>> Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>> >>>>> 801-250-9503 Office >>>>> 435-830-4306 Cell >>>>> www.mccowntech.com <http://www.mccowntech.com> >>>>> www.microtrench.pro <http://www.microtrench.pro> >>>>> www.terabitnetworks.com <http://www.terabitnetworks.com> >>>>> >>>>> *From:*Chris Fabien >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:*Monday, January 27, 2025 6:40 AM >>>>> >>>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] home networks >>>>> >>>>> My experience, we find the majority of our customers do take a >>>>> managed router, we charge $8/mo. If they have that, we try to >>>>> be >>>>> helpful as we can with home network issues including >>>>> occasionally >>>>> needing to send a tech out to figure out what's going on. It >>>>> is >>>>> not a "covers anything repair plan" though, physical damage is >>>>> still a paid repair. For outbuildings, if the customer will >>>>> install a conduit to the building we will have tech pull a >>>>> cat5 >>>>> and install a mesh AP out there for $5 additional monthly >>>>> cost. If >>>>> it's longer than ~300ft we tell them its outside of our scope >>>>> and >>>>> we'd need to install a second fiber service, or they can do >>>>> whatever else they want on their own (fiber run, wireless link >>>>> etc) but it's not supported by us then. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 8:18 PM Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think it’s smaller number than we think that want to >>>>> know >>>>> about the bits, SNR, etc. Those are just the kinds of >>>>> people >>>>> we really like. >>>>> >>>>> The other majority, probably vast majority, just want to >>>>> see >>>>> magic happen and not know why, so they can get back to >>>>> wasting >>>>> their valuable time as a nation of observers, not >>>>> participants. You can have to do stuff to participate, >>>>> easier >>>>> to just observe. Those people don’t own businesses like >>>>> ours, >>>>> or want to, or want to know how they work really. >>>>> >>>>> </rant> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 26, 2025, at 10:23 AM, Ken Hohhof >>>>> <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Carterfone decision was 1968, up to that point you >>>>> leased >>>>> your phones from the phone company which maintained >>>>> the >>>>> inside wiring. If you added another phone, your bill >>>>> went >>>>> up, and they would run automated line tests to detect >>>>> phones you weren’t paying for. After Carterfone, >>>>> telcos >>>>> installed demarcs on the outside of houses and were >>>>> responsible for the network up to the demarc, unless >>>>> you >>>>> paid extra for home wiring maintenance. Nobody rents >>>>> or >>>>> even buys their landline phones from the phone company >>>>> anymore. >>>>> >>>>> So is anyone surprised that home Internet is kind of >>>>> going >>>>> the opposite direction? >>>>> >>>>> Actually, we find our customers divide into two camps. >>>>> The >>>>> majority think leasing things like routers is a ripoff >>>>> by >>>>> greedy ISPs, and they want to own and manage their own >>>>> networking equipment (whether they actually know how >>>>> to do >>>>> that or not). Basically they figure that after a >>>>> couple >>>>> years it would be cheaper to own it. >>>>> >>>>> But another group views it all as “Internet”, and >>>>> they’re >>>>> paying us for Internet, right? The big ISPs have >>>>> mostly >>>>> accepted this and actually use it as a marketing tool >>>>> under the name “whole home WiFi”. But in reality, >>>>> they >>>>> just sell or lease you additional WiFi mesh nodes >>>>> which >>>>> you can plug in where you want and monitor with an app >>>>> if >>>>> you want. Still pretty much DIY. >>>>> >>>>> Where that kind of breaks down is that many people in >>>>> our >>>>> rural area have outbuildings which may be barns, or >>>>> shop >>>>> buildings, or man caves and party barns where they >>>>> watch >>>>> football games. And of course all of the above need >>>>> security cameras. >>>>> >>>>> So there are DIY solutions to these, and a limited >>>>> number >>>>> we are willing to install. We don’t do trenching, and >>>>> we >>>>> won’t do the WiFi mesh node in the window trick, even >>>>> though it might work OK if they do it themselves. But >>>>> some customers seem frustrated because they think it’s >>>>> all >>>>> Internet and if they’re paying us for Internet we have >>>>> to >>>>> get it to every corner of every building. >>>>> >>>>> I mean, I guess the landline phone company will >>>>> install >>>>> phone jacks in additional rooms or even bury wires to >>>>> other buildings, but you’re going to pay labor and >>>>> materials plus pay for maintenance. Maybe it’s all in >>>>> “managing customer expectations” and I’m not good >>>>> enough >>>>> at that. Somehow when it comes to Internet, some >>>>> people >>>>> seem to think anything Internet related is covered by >>>>> their monthly bill. I have seen some WISPs offer a >>>>> monthly maintenance plan, but you’d think that would >>>>> cover >>>>> repairs, not unlimited home networking additions and >>>>> device support. I feel like we’re expected to be the >>>>> free >>>>> version of Geek Squad. >>>>> >>>>> It just seems strange to me that on one hand people >>>>> celebrate their freedom to not pay the phone company >>>>> for >>>>> their home wiring and phones, but on the other hand >>>>> they >>>>> expect almost concierge level service from their ISP. >>>>> But >>>>> I’m also surprised at people who have Amazon or >>>>> Walmart >>>>> deliver their groceries and put them in the garage or >>>>> even >>>>> the fridge. 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