Yeah, that's expected. They didn't start the new calendar the day he was born.
People had to try to figure it out after the fact.
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Robert Andrews
<i...@avantwireless.com>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 3:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks
Oops... & this is interesting... Gemini lists Jesus as born estimated
at between 6 and 4 BC ( isn't that BC supposed to be Before Christ? )
so Jesus was born before himself? and Nero was 37 AD which I thought
was "After Death" but, again, I was wrong So Nero was 39 years older
than Jesus... and fiddled in 64 AD so you would have to have lived
between 40 and 65 years depending upon when Jesus was your homeboy...
On 1/27/25 12:33, Robert Andrews wrote:
> Jesus was about 30 years older... But the same generation... LOL so
> you could be both. Jesus was my homeboy then I listened to Nero
> fiddle... a Twofer...
>
> On 1/27/25 12:19, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>> Jesus was my homeboy.... was that before or after Nero?
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 1:10 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks
>>
>> How about "listening when Nero fiddled"?
>>
>> On 1/27/25 10:15, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> I was at the play when Lincoln was shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 1/27/2025 9:41 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>>>> Look whose talkin’... pretty sure you and Bill got prolly a decade
>>>> on me...
>>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 10:38 AM
>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home networks
>>>>
>>>> “older than dirt”
>>>>
>>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 11:26 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home networks
>>>>
>>>> I heard a rumor that Chuck was around when the light bulb was
>>>> invented too
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 8:58 AM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was a telco installer repairman back in the day when the order
>>>> came down that everyone had to now have modular jacks and they
>>>> could indeed buy and use their own phone. I spent months going to
>>>> homes and installing jacks and modular line cords on telco owned
>>>> phones. We did every single phone in our service area. But we
>>>> still collected rent on the phones. Nothing forced them to buy
>>>> and own.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Chuck McCown
>>>>
>>>> McCown Technology Corporation
>>>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> 801-250-9503 Office
>>>> 435-830-4306 Cell
>>>> www.mccowntech.com<http://www.mccowntech.com>
>>>> <http://www.mccowntech.com>
>>>> www.microtrench.pro<http://www.microtrench.pro>
>>>> <http://www.microtrench.pro>
>>>> www.terabitnetworks.com<http://www.terabitnetworks.com>
>>>> <http://www.terabitnetworks.com>
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Chris Fabien
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:*Monday, January 27, 2025 6:40 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] home networks
>>>>
>>>> My experience, we find the majority of our customers do take a
>>>> managed router, we charge $8/mo. If they have that, we try to be
>>>> helpful as we can with home network issues including occasionally
>>>> needing to send a tech out to figure out what's going on. It is
>>>> not a "covers anything repair plan" though, physical damage is
>>>> still a paid repair. For outbuildings, if the customer will
>>>> install a conduit to the building we will have tech pull a cat5
>>>> and install a mesh AP out there for $5 additional monthly cost. If
>>>> it's longer than ~300ft we tell them its outside of our scope and
>>>> we'd need to install a second fiber service, or they can do
>>>> whatever else they want on their own (fiber run, wireless link
>>>> etc) but it's not supported by us then.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 8:18 PM Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think it’s smaller number than we think that want to know
>>>> about the bits, SNR, etc. Those are just the kinds of people
>>>> we really like.
>>>>
>>>> The other majority, probably vast majority, just want to see
>>>> magic happen and not know why, so they can get back to wasting
>>>> their valuable time as a nation of observers, not
>>>> participants. You can have to do stuff to participate, easier
>>>> to just observe. Those people don’t own businesses like ours,
>>>> or want to, or want to know how they work really.
>>>>
>>>> </rant>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 26, 2025, at 10:23 AM, Ken Hohhof
>>>> <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Carterfone decision was 1968, up to that point you leased
>>>> your phones from the phone company which maintained the
>>>> inside wiring. If you added another phone, your bill went
>>>> up, and they would run automated line tests to detect
>>>> phones you weren’t paying for. After Carterfone, telcos
>>>> installed demarcs on the outside of houses and were
>>>> responsible for the network up to the demarc, unless you
>>>> paid extra for home wiring maintenance. Nobody rents or
>>>> even buys their landline phones from the phone company
>>>> anymore.
>>>>
>>>> So is anyone surprised that home Internet is kind of going
>>>> the opposite direction?
>>>>
>>>> Actually, we find our customers divide into two camps. The
>>>> majority think leasing things like routers is a ripoff by
>>>> greedy ISPs, and they want to own and manage their own
>>>> networking equipment (whether they actually know how to do
>>>> that or not). Basically they figure that after a couple
>>>> years it would be cheaper to own it.
>>>>
>>>> But another group views it all as “Internet”, and they’re
>>>> paying us for Internet, right? The big ISPs have mostly
>>>> accepted this and actually use it as a marketing tool
>>>> under the name “whole home WiFi”. But in reality, they
>>>> just sell or lease you additional WiFi mesh nodes which
>>>> you can plug in where you want and monitor with an app if
>>>> you want. Still pretty much DIY.
>>>>
>>>> Where that kind of breaks down is that many people in our
>>>> rural area have outbuildings which may be barns, or shop
>>>> buildings, or man caves and party barns where they watch
>>>> football games. And of course all of the above need
>>>> security cameras.
>>>>
>>>> So there are DIY solutions to these, and a limited number
>>>> we are willing to install. We don’t do trenching, and we
>>>> won’t do the WiFi mesh node in the window trick, even
>>>> though it might work OK if they do it themselves. But
>>>> some customers seem frustrated because they think it’s all
>>>> Internet and if they’re paying us for Internet we have to
>>>> get it to every corner of every building.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, I guess the landline phone company will install
>>>> phone jacks in additional rooms or even bury wires to
>>>> other buildings, but you’re going to pay labor and
>>>> materials plus pay for maintenance. Maybe it’s all in
>>>> “managing customer expectations” and I’m not good enough
>>>> at that. Somehow when it comes to Internet, some people
>>>> seem to think anything Internet related is covered by
>>>> their monthly bill. I have seen some WISPs offer a
>>>> monthly maintenance plan, but you’d think that would cover
>>>> repairs, not unlimited home networking additions and
>>>> device support. I feel like we’re expected to be the free
>>>> version of Geek Squad.
>>>>
>>>> It just seems strange to me that on one hand people
>>>> celebrate their freedom to not pay the phone company for
>>>> their home wiring and phones, but on the other hand they
>>>> expect almost concierge level service from their ISP. But
>>>> I’m also surprised at people who have Amazon or Walmart
>>>> deliver their groceries and put them in the garage or even
>>>> the fridge. I wonder how that goes with people who have
>>>> dogs.
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