If you watch the movie, the guy changed his home & name about every 10
years so that people would not notice that he didn't age. I would imagine
that every 14,000 years, your name repository gets kind of thin.
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part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}comOn Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 1:27 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > Seriously, John Oldman? > Like Saul Goodman? > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 3:17 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks > > The whole "when Jesus was born" is a surprisingly squishy time. Probably > not born in what we now call December either. > > Ask this guy. He says he was Jesus. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 1/27/2025 12:43 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > > Oops... & this is interesting... Gemini lists Jesus as born estimated > > at between 6 and 4 BC ( isn't that BC supposed to be Before Christ? ) > > so Jesus was born before himself? and Nero was 37 AD which I thought > > was "After Death" but, again, I was wrong So Nero was 39 years older > > than Jesus... and fiddled in 64 AD so you would have to have lived > > between 40 and 65 years depending upon when Jesus was your homeboy... > > > > On 1/27/25 12:33, Robert Andrews wrote: > >> Jesus was about 30 years older... But the same generation... LOL > >> so you could be both. Jesus was my homeboy then I listened to Nero > >> fiddle... a Twofer... > >> > >> On 1/27/25 12:19, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: > >>> Jesus was my homeboy.... was that before or after Nero? > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews > >>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 1:10 PM > >>> To: af@af.afmug.com > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home networks > >>> > >>> How about "listening when Nero fiddled"? > >>> > >>> On 1/27/25 10:15, Bill Prince wrote: > >>>> I was at the play when Lincoln was shot. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> bp > >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >>>> > >>>> On 1/27/2025 9:41 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: > >>>>> Look whose talkin’... pretty sure you and Bill got prolly a decade > >>>>> on me... > >>>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof > >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 10:38 AM > >>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home networks > >>>>> > >>>>> “older than dirt” > >>>>> > >>>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout > >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 11:26 AM > >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home networks > >>>>> > >>>>> I heard a rumor that Chuck was around when the light bulb was > >>>>> invented too > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, 8:58 AM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I was a telco installer repairman back in the day when the > >>>>> order > >>>>> came down that everyone had to now have modular jacks and they > >>>>> could indeed buy and use their own phone. I spent months > >>>>> going to > >>>>> homes and installing jacks and modular line cords on telco > >>>>> owned > >>>>> phones. We did every single phone in our service area. But > >>>>> we > >>>>> still collected rent on the phones. Nothing forced them to > >>>>> buy > >>>>> and own. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best Regards, > >>>>> Chuck McCown > >>>>> > >>>>> McCown Technology Corporation > >>>>> 8401 N Commerce Dr > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+ > >>>>> Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail&source=g> > >>>>> > >>>>> Lake Point, Utah 84074 > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+ > >>>>> Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail&source=g> > >>>>> > >>>>> 801-250-9503 Office > >>>>> 435-830-4306 Cell > >>>>> www.mccowntech.com <http://www.mccowntech.com> > >>>>> www.microtrench.pro <http://www.microtrench.pro> > >>>>> www.terabitnetworks.com <http://www.terabitnetworks.com> > >>>>> > >>>>> *From:*Chris Fabien > >>>>> > >>>>> *Sent:*Monday, January 27, 2025 6:40 AM > >>>>> > >>>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>>>> > >>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] home networks > >>>>> > >>>>> My experience, we find the majority of our customers do take a > >>>>> managed router, we charge $8/mo. If they have that, we try to > >>>>> be > >>>>> helpful as we can with home network issues including > >>>>> occasionally > >>>>> needing to send a tech out to figure out what's going on. It > >>>>> is > >>>>> not a "covers anything repair plan" though, physical damage is > >>>>> still a paid repair. For outbuildings, if the customer will > >>>>> install a conduit to the building we will have tech pull a > >>>>> cat5 > >>>>> and install a mesh AP out there for $5 additional monthly > >>>>> cost. If > >>>>> it's longer than ~300ft we tell them its outside of our scope > >>>>> and > >>>>> we'd need to install a second fiber service, or they can do > >>>>> whatever else they want on their own (fiber run, wireless link > >>>>> etc) but it's not supported by us then. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 8:18 PM Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I think it’s smaller number than we think that want to > >>>>> know > >>>>> about the bits, SNR, etc. Those are just the kinds of > >>>>> people > >>>>> we really like. > >>>>> > >>>>> The other majority, probably vast majority, just want to > >>>>> see > >>>>> magic happen and not know why, so they can get back to > >>>>> wasting > >>>>> their valuable time as a nation of observers, not > >>>>> participants. You can have to do stuff to participate, > >>>>> easier > >>>>> to just observe. Those people don’t own businesses like > >>>>> ours, > >>>>> or want to, or want to know how they work really. > >>>>> > >>>>> </rant> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 26, 2025, at 10:23 AM, Ken Hohhof > >>>>> <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Carterfone decision was 1968, up to that point you > >>>>> leased > >>>>> your phones from the phone company which maintained > >>>>> the > >>>>> inside wiring. If you added another phone, your bill > >>>>> went > >>>>> up, and they would run automated line tests to detect > >>>>> phones you weren’t paying for. After Carterfone, > >>>>> telcos > >>>>> installed demarcs on the outside of houses and were > >>>>> responsible for the network up to the demarc, unless > >>>>> you > >>>>> paid extra for home wiring maintenance. Nobody rents > >>>>> or > >>>>> even buys their landline phones from the phone company > >>>>> anymore. > >>>>> > >>>>> So is anyone surprised that home Internet is kind of > >>>>> going > >>>>> the opposite direction? > >>>>> > >>>>> Actually, we find our customers divide into two camps. > >>>>> The > >>>>> majority think leasing things like routers is a ripoff > >>>>> by > >>>>> greedy ISPs, and they want to own and manage their own > >>>>> networking equipment (whether they actually know how > >>>>> to do > >>>>> that or not). Basically they figure that after a > >>>>> couple > >>>>> years it would be cheaper to own it. > >>>>> > >>>>> But another group views it all as “Internet”, and > >>>>> they’re > >>>>> paying us for Internet, right? The big ISPs have > >>>>> mostly > >>>>> accepted this and actually use it as a marketing tool > >>>>> under the name “whole home WiFi”. But in reality, > >>>>> they > >>>>> just sell or lease you additional WiFi mesh nodes > >>>>> which > >>>>> you can plug in where you want and monitor with an app > >>>>> if > >>>>> you want. Still pretty much DIY. > >>>>> > >>>>> Where that kind of breaks down is that many people in > >>>>> our > >>>>> rural area have outbuildings which may be barns, or > >>>>> shop > >>>>> buildings, or man caves and party barns where they > >>>>> watch > >>>>> football games. And of course all of the above need > >>>>> security cameras. > >>>>> > >>>>> So there are DIY solutions to these, and a limited > >>>>> number > >>>>> we are willing to install. We don’t do trenching, and > >>>>> we > >>>>> won’t do the WiFi mesh node in the window trick, even > >>>>> though it might work OK if they do it themselves. But > >>>>> some customers seem frustrated because they think it’s > >>>>> all > >>>>> Internet and if they’re paying us for Internet we have > >>>>> to > >>>>> get it to every corner of every building. > >>>>> > >>>>> I mean, I guess the landline phone company will > >>>>> install > >>>>> phone jacks in additional rooms or even bury wires to > >>>>> other buildings, but you’re going to pay labor and > >>>>> materials plus pay for maintenance. Maybe it’s all in > >>>>> “managing customer expectations” and I’m not good > >>>>> enough > >>>>> at that. Somehow when it comes to Internet, some > >>>>> people > >>>>> seem to think anything Internet related is covered by > >>>>> their monthly bill. I have seen some WISPs offer a > >>>>> monthly maintenance plan, but you’d think that would > >>>>> cover > >>>>> repairs, not unlimited home networking additions and > >>>>> device support. I feel like we’re expected to be the > >>>>> free > >>>>> version of Geek Squad. > >>>>> > >>>>> It just seems strange to me that on one hand people > >>>>> celebrate their freedom to not pay the phone company > >>>>> for > >>>>> their home wiring and phones, but on the other hand > >>>>> they > >>>>> expect almost concierge level service from their ISP. > >>>>> But > >>>>> I’m also surprised at people who have Amazon or > >>>>> Walmart > >>>>> deliver their groceries and put them in the garage or > >>>>> even > >>>>> the fridge. 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