Re: Oops, forgot the third and most mac-related question

[Deb Lewis]

A good reason to use Yorufukurou is that it is still under development and 
they've done a lot to increase accessibility. If you need a full featured 
Twitter app, you can't beat Yoru.
On Dec 3, 2011, at 5:22 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:

> Sorry, all, I'm still working on my first cup of coffee. :)
> 
> My third question is about Twitter apps.  I know that Yorifiqurou (sp) and 
> Syrinx are the two favorite apps.  For professional reasons I'm going to have 
> to make more use of Twitter than I have in the past.  I'm tempted to use 
> Syrinx just because Yorifiqurou has such an annoying name, but it occurs to 
> me that may not be the best basis for my decision..  Can anyone tell me the 
> advantages or disadvantages of these apps, so I can make an informed decision 
> about which to use?
> TIA again,
> Donna
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Reading Chat History in Adium

[Deb Lewis]

Hi:
I'm using Adium to participate in IRC. It's all going very well except that 
occasionally I need to review the chat history. I've looked everywhere to find 
it and through all the menus. Any pointers on how to go about this, if it's 
possible, are much appreciated. TIA.

Deb

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Re: Reading Chat History in Adium

[Deb Lewis]

I don't have AIM so can't comment on that. someone else asked me about FB and 
signing in so I've agreed to try that and see what happens.
Meanwhile, I've answered my own question about the chat history quite by 
accident.


On Dec 6, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Jessica wrote:

> Can we chat off list?  I'm still a new Atium user, and am having a hard time 
> setting it up, so could use some pointers.
> I can get it to sign me onto Aim, but have put in my password for fb and msn 
> multiple times and it refuses to sign in, and apparently thinks it's 
> incorrect.
> - Original Message - From: "Deb Lewis" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:59 PM
> Subject: Reading Chat History in Adium
> 
> 
> Hi:
> I'm using Adium to participate in IRC. It's all going very well except that 
> occasionally I need to review the chat history. I've looked everywhere to 
> find it and through all the menus. Any pointers on how to go about this, if 
> it's possible, are much appreciated. TIA.
> 
> Deb
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Re: spl with fusion

[Deb Lewis]

I'm just beginning the process of getting sPL Studio to work in Fusion. I'm 
pretty clear about what needs to happen but just have one question that might 
make a difference.
I don't use Direct sound in windows so have to have a sound card for the 
broadcast content. I want to buy a Soundblaster USB card for this purpose. The 
ones I'm interested say they are only for windows not for mac. But if I'm only 
using it in Fusion I am using it only in windows right? In other words, it 
should be OK. I think the only issue will be whether or not Fusion recognizes 
the card. It has been recognizing other USB things so I'm going. But any 
thoughts would be welcome. 
What if anything am I missing here?



On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> Hi may, right, for this to work, at least, for it to work for me, the headset 
> needs to be connected only to Windows.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
> On 12/02/2014, at 6:39 pm, May and Noah  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, maybe I have it set up wrong. So how about we start there and work our 
>> way up/ *smiles*
>> 
>> How I have the headset right now is the usb is seen by both the mac and 
>> fusion. so goth sides come through the headset. Under the usb setting though 
>> I don't have the usb headset connected. When I tell it to connect both mac 
>> and fusion switch over to the mac speakers. At this time the mac side know 
>> longer sees the headset. The moment I tell jaws to then switch to the 
>> headset I lose jaws unless I disconnect the headset.
>> 
>> Hope that made sense?
>> 
>> May and Prince Noah
>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 11:49 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi may, if you go into the Windows sound setting and tell Windows itself to 
>>> use the headset, does it work? Just trying to establish if it's a JAWS 
>>> issue or a Fusion issue. Fusion can be a little quirky when a sound device 
>>> is connected to Windows.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org
>>> 
>>> On 12/02/2014, at 5:06 pm, May and Noah  wrote:
>>> 
 Hmm, then I must be doing something wrong or jaws doesn't like the usb 
 headset.
 
 Whenever I tell jaws to switch to the headset it dies.
 
 Any suggestions? I've tried all I can think of and I'm lost.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
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> Hi May, yes, I do this weekly. . You'll have to tell Fusion that you want 
> to connect the headset to Windows, not to the Mac, then set JAWS to use 
> the headset as its sound card from the Utilities Menu in the JAWS window.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
> On 10/02/2014, at 9:42 pm, May and Noah  wrote:
> 
>> Good morning.
>> 
>> Are there any that use spl on their macs through fusion?
>> 
>> If so, is there a way to make it so that jaws will keep coming through 
>> my headset and the music through the speakers?
>> 
>> I'm using a USB headset and if I change the output on the macs side it 
>> makes everything on the windows side come through the speakers.
>> 
>> 
>> May and Prince Noah
>> www.canadianlynx.ca
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Re: anti-virus/security software for the iMac

[Deb Lewis]

I have Sophos for Mac and have been very happy with it. The same installation 
also protect my windows Virtual Machine where we know we need virus software. 
But Sophos is very accessible.


On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:

> I am not one to believe that the Apple universe is immune to hacking and 
> would like to get some recommendations for antivirus and security software 
> for our MBP and iMac. Any thoughts or recommendations?
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
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Re: anti-virus/security software for the iMac

[Deb Lewis]

Just google it, they have a web site and you can download the home version for 
free. 
It will be a disk image which you can install from there. If you haven't done 
that yet, I can provide more help. 

On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:

> Thanks Deb, This doesn't seem to show up in the App Store though. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 16, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
>> I have Sophos for Mac and have been very happy with it. The same 
>> installation also protect my windows Virtual Machine where we know we need 
>> virus software. But Sophos is very accessible.
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Jenine Stanley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am not one to believe that the Apple universe is immune to hacking and 
>>> would like to get some recommendations for antivirus and security software 
>>> for our MBP and iMac. Any thoughts or recommendations?
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Removing Extra Apple Files From SD Cards Used In Windows Devices

[Deb Lewis]

I use Blue Harvest with Mavericks. 

On Feb 19, 2014, at 4:25 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
wrote:

> Yeah, they *can* be small, but sometimes, they get huge.  They are just 
> annoying to the win users, too.
> there is an app called blue harvest which removes all the "mac dust" from 
> removeable devices.  At last check, though, it wasn't useable with mavericks, 
> unfortunately.
> Here, I am reduced to removing those files by hand on the other computers.
> Cait
> 
> On Feb 18, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In Terminal, you can tell your Mac to show hidden files but, in my opinion, 
>> it's unnecessary.  Those files that you are speaking of are so small that it 
>> would take thousands of them to use up any amount of space that matters.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 4:38 PM, Desi Noller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I am accumulating quite a few of those extra files that Apple puts on SD 
>>> cards.  When I put the SD card into my Braille Edge, I can see these extra 
>>> files, but when the SD card is in my iMac, these files are not visible to 
>>> me.  I know that each time I put my card into my Mac, the Mac will put more 
>>> of these files on it, but occasionally I would like to clear them off to 
>>> free up some space on the SD card.  I don't have any other Windows type 
>>> devices aside from my Braille Edge.  If I try to delete these extra files 
>>> from the card when it's in my Braille Edge, all files are erased!  Is there 
>>> any way I can delete them from the Mac?  I hope somebody understands what 
>>> I'm talking about!  :) Any help would be most appreciated!
>>> 
>>> Desi
>>> 
>>> 
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Playing DVD's on the Mac

[Deb Lewis]

Hi:
I have a DVD I would like to play. It has five parts. 
When I loaded it into my Mac I found the Play button but nothing happens. I 
actually got the first part to play once, but that's about it and never any of 
the second part etc. 
So I loaded it into VLC. I turned off the DVD menu because I read that 
somewhere and I could see the play again, but only the first chapter plays once 
again. And the audio was very choppy like the dVD was damaged which it is not.
So I downloaded dVD Extractor. I've used that on windows and it's accessible 
there to both play and rip the audio. On the mac none of the buttons were 
labeled but the hints gave me clues if those clues are to be believed. I can 
play the first chapter, and of course can't play any of the subsequent ones. 
Same when i go to extract the audio, it doesn't extract any other than the 
first chapter or give me the option to do so. 
So is this about copyright or something or is there something i'm doing wrong? 
I can see or rip all the chapters in windows, but can't play or rip any on the 
Mac no matter what I do so far. 
Thanks in advance.

deb

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Re: Playing DVD's on the Mac

[Deb Lewis]

I tired using VLC. The DVD skips and chops in VLC. It didn't do that
in the DVD playerso I don't think anything is wrong with the DVD and
it's brand new.

Has anyone been able to make DVD Audio Extractor work? I can
consistently play the first chapter but not beyond that. It's one
title with five chapters. Chapters4 and 5 have the actually content of
interest.

On 2/21/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A couple things to try in DVD player.
>
> * Once the DVD has loaded, go up to the menubar with VO-m and over to the Go
> menu, down to Title and choose one of the Title options to see what plays.
> * Normally, if the DVD has just one Title, with a number of Chapters, then
> it should play all Chapters once it starts playing.  If the DVD is set up
> like a bunch of episodes of a TV Show where the different episodes are
> actually different titles, then each one has to be accessed separately.
> * On occasion, you can press return after the DVD has loaded, press the down
> or right arrow key a number of times and get one of the other titles to
> play.
>
> The problem here is that the DVD menu on any given DVD is simply a graphical
> representation, and there usually isn't anything for VO to grab ahold of so
> it can be read.
>
> HTH.
>
> Later...
> to us.
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>> I have a DVD I would like to play. It has five parts.
>> When I loaded it into my Mac I found the Play button but nothing happens.
>> I actually got the first part to play once, but that's about it and never
>> any of the second part etc.
>> So I loaded it into VLC. I turned off the DVD menu because I read that
>> somewhere and I could see the play again, but only the first chapter plays
>> once again. And the audio was very choppy like the dVD was damaged which
>> it is not.
>> So I downloaded dVD Extractor. I've used that on windows and it's
>> accessible there to both play and rip the audio. On the mac none of the
>> buttons were labeled but the hints gave me clues if those clues are to be
>> believed. I can play the first chapter, and of course can't play any of
>> the subsequent ones. Same when i go to extract the audio, it doesn't
>> extract any other than the first chapter or give me the option to do so.
>> So is this about copyright or something or is there something i'm doing
>> wrong? I can see or rip all the chapters in windows, but can't play or rip
>> any on the Mac no matter what I do so far.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> deb
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Re: trying to install some apps mentioned from a podcast

[Deb Lewis]

I did this last week. The KeyRing app is at the link you visited. I
believe there's a link called Other apps or something to that effect
and you'll find the PC Keyboard hack there. It's not on the same page
as it was when the podcast was developed and I had to look around for
it. After you have them, the podcast is very descriptive about what to
do. The hardest part was finding that second app but after that the
instructions will all work as advertised.
Oh, there was one other difference. If you're running Mavricks, you
are instructed to go to apple preferences and make some changes. The
newly installed apps didn't appear in my apple preferences, but
opening each of them revealed the same options he was describing and
everything worked as advertised.
I don't want to go through the tutorial again, he did a great job, but
after you find them, if there's something specific, I'm sure we can
help.
As I said, finding that second app isn't quite where he said now, but
it's still up there and you need them both for this to work.

On 2/24/14, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> So my wife and I are looking at this one podcast which I will provide
> the link to which is reguarding remapping the voiceover keys to the caps
> lock key as well as creating a numpad around the I key etc.  We're wanting
> to see if we can do this so that her vm fusion experience is possibly a
> little better being that she doesn't have a full keyboard to use therefore
> not being able to use things like the jaws cursor or mouse clicks with
> jaws.The podcast we're looking at is the following:
> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/new-updated-remapping-keys-your-macs-keyboard-enhance-voiceover-experience
> On here it mentions to go to pqrs.org's website and download two apps
> called keyRemap4MacBook and PcKeyboardHack.  However the link it provides to
> do this doesn't seem to exist and when we go just to pqrs.org we can only
> seemingly find the first app.  Also, when we go to that link the
> installation instructions are pretty confusing so hoping someone can give us
> some advice on how to better understand what we need to do.
> Thanks again for any help on this matter as usual.  Also, if anyone has
> experience running vm fusion on their mac and has success please feel free
> and send me some e-mails directly maybe offlist as it seems as if we have
> some random issues that we're not quite sure how to resolve at the moment.
> Take care,
> Shannon Gerdts
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Re: Running Windows on Mac, on a budget

[Deb Lewis]

Well at times running windows on a mac is more a nightmare than a day dream in 
my experience. But once you work through all the headaches, it can be done 
pretty well.
First, you won't be using Parallels. It's not accessible. You'll have to use 
VMware fusion if you want a virtual machine or of course you can use Boot Camp 
if you don't mind separating your Windows and Mac experience.
The biggest problem with VMware fusion is that most of my sighted friends using 
Macs don't use it. It doesn't have nearly the ratings of Parallel and except 
for accessibility doesn't seem to be of interest to people I know. So getting 
help is sometimes challenging.
If you want your experience to be particularly snappy in windows, you'll have 
to have at least three cores to dedicate to the Windows box. Fortunately the 
Mac doesn't need so much. 
I had mine on a Mac Air but it was pretty sluggish and crashed a lot. I finally 
wen to a Macbook Pro with maximum specs and it's running quite well. But that 
doesn't address your interest to do this on the cheap.
I think your copy of WindowEyes will run in the virtual machine with Windows7 
but check with them to be sure. NVDA certainly will of course. 
be prepared for headaches though. You have to map some keys, resolve whatever 
conflicts arise about hardware and applications etc. I've found it to be pretty 
challenging at times. Reliability of help from the lists has been hit and miss 
too. 
Having said that, I'd probably do it again. 


On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have a day dream/goal to happen before the end of the year. I'd like to 
> have a Mac to run Windows via parallels.  We are on a budget, so buying a 
> super duper iMac is not doable. I was wondering about a Mac Mini for running 
> Windows.
> 
> We have a TV that can be used as a monitor and we have a Zagg bluetooth 
> keyboard.  We also have a Microsoft connection, so fingers crossed on a good 
> deal for a Windows CD.  BTW, I want the best bang for my buck.  :)  I want 
> OSX & Windows to run smoothly, if not snappy.  :)  No sluggishness.
> 
> I'm open to any advice you have for me.  Here are a few questions off the top 
> of my head.
> 
> 1. Which Windows Oporating system should I go for?
> 2. Will NVDA run on that system.  I'm guessing that my copy of window eyes is 
> too far out of date.  I think I have 7.2
> 3. I'm going to paste a link of a local Mac store that sells pre-owned Macs.  
> Will you offer up your knowledge on the best deal?  If there is one.  Power 
> of the machine, price, etc.
> http://www.themacstore.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MM_IN
> 
> 
> I currently have a MacBook Air, which I believe has enough oomph to it, but 
> the SSD isn't very large, 128GB.
> 
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.
> Traci
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Re: Folder Action New Item Alert Now Works In Latest Mavericks Update

[Deb Lewis]

This is a fabulous script. Thanks for pointing out that it's back.
You can check the box before setting it up or it should prompt you to check it 
if you get the process backward as I actually did.

On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Check the box. I have mine checked. If the script works with it unchecked, 
> I'm truly stumped. :)
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
>   
> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
> 
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> It seemed to work for me.  Only question I have is this.  Do I check the 
>> allow folder actions box or leave it unchecked.  I focused on the downloads 
>> folder before I went in to services options.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> Try going into finder, Finder menu, services, Folder Actions. I did this 
>>> from the desktop, but it doesn't matter which folder. There will be a 
>>> checkbox that says "enable folder actions." Close this window with 
>>> command-w. Find the downloads folder again and try going to folder actions 
>>> setup. You should be able to find the scripts and actions once you've 
>>> enabled it.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
>>> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
>>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:15 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 I am trying to carry out your instructions to hear when a file is 
 downloaded to my downloads folder. 
 In Finder I go to the downloads folder to services it says no services. 
 Then I go down and it says services preferences Here I find some tabs 
 keyboard, text, shortcuts then input sauces. Looking at each of these it 
 is not apparent where to add a script.
 Can anybody walk me through how to do this? I have been trying Google for 
 quite some time this morning with no real luck.
 Thanks for any help.
 Max
 
 
 On 26 Feb 2014, at 1:10 pm, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm happy to report that the folder actions script for notifying when a 
> new item is downloaded now works properly. This is a wonderful little 
> utility that Finder has. Basically, you find the folder you want, go to 
> the finder menu, and choose services submenu, then folder actions setup. 
> A dialog opens up and you can select the script you want to run when a 
> particular action is done to a folder. I always liked being notified when 
> a new item was placed in my downloads folder. Unfortunately, the script 
> didn't work when Mavericks first came out. Now it does. :)
> 
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Re: trying to install some apps mentioned from a podcast

[Deb Lewis]

Change the keyboard layout in JAWS to lap top. Then you won't need the numpad 
keys. I don't think there's really a practical way to get them working. 
In the lap top layout there are alternatives for all of those key combinations 
and they will work with the remapped caps lock key.

On Feb 27, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:

> Hello,
>   Ok so we were finally able to figure out how to get both of those programs 
> installed and got the caps lock key working for us as the insert key.  
> However, the podcast didn't mention exactly how to make the numpad happen and 
> when I try what it said on the page for using a numpad by hitting the fn key 
> and I for numpad 5 it doesn't seem to work.
>   Has anyone actually figured this part out and can tell us what we're doing 
> wrong?  I know we had to do things differently than the podcast mentioned for 
> remapping the voiceover keys to the caps lock since we didn't end up having 
> to go to system preferences but not sure why we can't get the numpad part to 
> work.  Any help would be appreciated so that we can possibly be able to do 
> things like jaws cursor, pc cursor, rooting of the cursors, left and right 
> clicks on files, etc.
> 
> Take care,
> Shannon Gerdts
> 
> -Original Message- From: Deb Lewis
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: trying to install some apps mentioned from a podcast
> 
> I did this last week. The KeyRing app is at the link you visited. I
> believe there's a link called Other apps or something to that effect
> and you'll find the PC Keyboard hack there. It's not on the same page
> as it was when the podcast was developed and I had to look around for
> it. After you have them, the podcast is very descriptive about what to
> do. The hardest part was finding that second app but after that the
> instructions will all work as advertised.
> Oh, there was one other difference. If you're running Mavricks, you
> are instructed to go to apple preferences and make some changes. The
> newly installed apps didn't appear in my apple preferences, but
> opening each of them revealed the same options he was describing and
> everything worked as advertised.
> I don't want to go through the tutorial again, he did a great job, but
> after you find them, if there's something specific, I'm sure we can
> help.
> As I said, finding that second app isn't quite where he said now, but
> it's still up there and you need them both for this to work.
> 
> On 2/24/14, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>So my wife and I are looking at this one podcast which I will provide
>> the link to which is reguarding remapping the voiceover keys to the caps
>> lock key as well as creating a numpad around the I key etc.  We're wanting
>> to see if we can do this so that her vm fusion experience is possibly a
>> little better being that she doesn't have a full keyboard to use therefore
>> not being able to use things like the jaws cursor or mouse clicks with
>> jaws.The podcast we're looking at is the following:
>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/new-updated-remapping-keys-your-macs-keyboard-enhance-voiceover-experience
>>On here it mentions to go to pqrs.org's website and download two apps
>> called keyRemap4MacBook and PcKeyboardHack.  However the link it provides to
>> do this doesn't seem to exist and when we go just to pqrs.org we can only
>> seemingly find the first app.  Also, when we go to that link the
>> installation instructions are pretty confusing so hoping someone can give us
>> some advice on how to better understand what we need to do.
>>Thanks again for any help on this matter as usual.  Also, if anyone has
>> experience running vm fusion on their mac and has success please feel free
>> and send me some e-mails directly maybe offlist as it seems as if we have
>> some random issues that we're not quite sure how to resolve at the moment.
>> Take care,
>> Shannon Gerdts
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Re: Is Mavericks now worth upgrading from ML,

[Deb Lewis]

I have always thought it was OK to upgrade to Mavricks. I can tell you that 
it's not necessary at all to upgrade VMware Fusion. I didn't and it's just fine 
without doing so.

On Feb 28, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> With the latest updates to Mavericks, has it become a net gain to upgrade 
> from ML, or are they on parity still?
> ML works great for me with my fusion VM of window7. I don't want to upgrade 
> and screw things up including my MacMail/Gmail setup , and also have to 
> upgrade fusion if there's not a net gain in features/productivity etc.
> 
> I have ML superDuper'd and I believe I go install Mavericks and swap back and 
> forth from ML, having both OSX versions available to me. I am a little leary 
> about what I might have to do for windows VM - perhaps having to upgrade 
> fusion.
> What do you all think? is it worth the hassle to go to Mavericks?
> I usually don't like to get too far behind the curve with new OS versions, 
> but ML works fine and I believe Mavericks is still trying to stabilize from 
> its initial shaky roll out.
> Thanks for your thoughts on this question.
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Re: trying to install some apps mentioned from a podcast

[Deb Lewis]

I'm not having any difficulty getting the screen reader keys using the caps 
lock. 
There are a lot of different ways people can be using the virtual machine. Some 
of those might make a difference. I use mine as a single window, not full 
screen or unity. I run into various key conflicts but that's not one of them.
The bigger problem I've had with JAWS is that it reauthorizes itself every time 
I reclaim space on the virtual drive. That's a common issue and part of why I 
don't really recommend JAWS in the virtual machine, but I did just test it and 
it works OK here using the caps lock fix you've implemented. So I'm not sure 
what might be going on.

On Feb 28, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:

> Hello,
>   So we tried your suggestions but this still doesn't seem to work to do any 
> of the commands I mentioned.  We have it set to laptop layout for the 
> keyboard but when we do the keys jaws says is for jaws cursor, pc cursor, 
> etc. none of them seem to work.  My wife has also tried turning on and off 
> the numpad commander to see if that made a difference and still nothing is 
> working.
>   If anyone has some experience with jaws on vm fusion that would be great to 
> tell us how we can fix this issue because right now we are getting to our 
> wits end trying to figure this out.  My wife needs these things obviously to 
> work otherwise the windows experience isn't very doable to say the least.
> 
> Take care,
> Shannon Gerdts
> 
> -Original Message- From: Deb Lewis
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: trying to install some apps mentioned from a podcast
> 
> Change the keyboard layout in JAWS to lap top. Then you won't need the numpad 
> keys. I don't think there's really a practical way to get them working.
> In the lap top layout there are alternatives for all of those key 
> combinations and they will work with the remapped caps lock key.
> 
> On Feb 27, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>  Ok so we were finally able to figure out how to get both of those programs 
>> installed and got the caps lock key working for us as the insert key.  
>> However, the podcast didn't mention exactly how to make the numpad happen 
>> and when I try what it said on the page for using a numpad by hitting the fn 
>> key and I for numpad 5 it doesn't seem to work.
>>  Has anyone actually figured this part out and can tell us what we're doing 
>> wrong?  I know we had to do things differently than the podcast mentioned 
>> for remapping the voiceover keys to the caps lock since we didn't end up 
>> having to go to system preferences but not sure why we can't get the numpad 
>> part to work.  Any help would be appreciated so that we can possibly be able 
>> to do things like jaws cursor, pc cursor, rooting of the cursors, left and 
>> right clicks on files, etc.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Shannon Gerdts
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Deb Lewis
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:50 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: trying to install some apps mentioned from a podcast
>> 
>> I did this last week. The KeyRing app is at the link you visited. I
>> believe there's a link called Other apps or something to that effect
>> and you'll find the PC Keyboard hack there. It's not on the same page
>> as it was when the podcast was developed and I had to look around for
>> it. After you have them, the podcast is very descriptive about what to
>> do. The hardest part was finding that second app but after that the
>> instructions will all work as advertised.
>> Oh, there was one other difference. If you're running Mavricks, you
>> are instructed to go to apple preferences and make some changes. The
>> newly installed apps didn't appear in my apple preferences, but
>> opening each of them revealed the same options he was describing and
>> everything worked as advertised.
>> I don't want to go through the tutorial again, he did a great job, but
>> after you find them, if there's something specific, I'm sure we can
>> help.
>> As I said, finding that second app isn't quite where he said now, but
>> it's still up there and you need them both for this to work.
>> 
>> On 2/24/14, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>   So my wife and I are looking at this one podcast which I will provide
>>> the link to which is reguarding remapping the voiceover keys to the caps
>>> lock key as well as creating a numpad around the 

Re: trying to install some apps mentioned from a podcast

[Deb Lewis]

Capslock with semicolon and caps lock with apostrophe for the PC and JAWS 
cursors. Capslock with left and right brackets for the routing of cursors. They 
should be the keys documented for the lap top layout. If none of them are 
working then I'm wondering if something is wrong with the configuration of your 
caps lock key. You should, for example, be able to press caps lock J to get the 
JAWS menu. Is that one working just as a test? If some are and some aren't, 
then we've got a Mac conflict going and will have to think about how to 
replicate that. 
I'm really sympathetic. I felt frustrated at every tun on this stuff until I 
finally got it working pretty well. There are definitely flukes though. it's 
not windows as we know it to be. 



On Feb 28, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:

> Hello,
>   Yeah the reason for the reauthorization of jaws every time you reconfigure 
> vm fusion is because it treats it as a new computer setup, therefore needig 
> to reauthorize it as you would on a computer you reformat etc.  What are you 
> using for keys then to access the jaws cursor, pc cursor, etc.?  For some 
> reason we're doing the keys that the help file says under jaws for keyboard 
> commands but it's just not working and we're not sure why. My wife was able 
> to remap the right click key to be the key above tab so that she can at leas 
> do that but she still can't figure out how to get her jaws cursor to work, 
> rooting of cursors, etc.
> 
> Take care,
> Shannon Gerdts
> 
> -Original Message- From: Deb Lewis
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 5:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: trying to install some apps mentioned from a podcast
> 
> I'm not having any difficulty getting the screen reader keys using the caps 
> lock.
> There are a lot of different ways people can be using the virtual machine. 
> Some of those might make a difference. I use mine as a single window, not 
> full screen or unity. I run into various key conflicts but that's not one of 
> them.
> The bigger problem I've had with JAWS is that it reauthorizes itself every 
> time I reclaim space on the virtual drive. That's a common issue and part of 
> why I don't really recommend JAWS in the virtual machine, but I did just test 
> it and it works OK here using the caps lock fix you've implemented. So I'm 
> not sure what might be going on.
> 
> On Feb 28, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>  So we tried your suggestions but this still doesn't seem to work to do any 
>> of the commands I mentioned.  We have it set to laptop layout for the 
>> keyboard but when we do the keys jaws says is for jaws cursor, pc cursor, 
>> etc. none of them seem to work.  My wife has also tried turning on and off 
>> the numpad commander to see if that made a difference and still nothing is 
>> working.
>>  If anyone has some experience with jaws on vm fusion that would be great to 
>> tell us how we can fix this issue because right now we are getting to our 
>> wits end trying to figure this out.  My wife needs these things obviously to 
>> work otherwise the windows experience isn't very doable to say the least.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Shannon Gerdts
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Deb Lewis
>> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: trying to install some apps mentioned from a podcast
>> 
>> Change the keyboard layout in JAWS to lap top. Then you won't need the 
>> numpad keys. I don't think there's really a practical way to get them 
>> working.
>> In the lap top layout there are alternatives for all of those key 
>> combinations and they will work with the remapped caps lock key.
>> 
>> On Feb 27, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Ok so we were finally able to figure out how to get both of those programs 
>>> installed and got the caps lock key working for us as the insert key.  
>>> However, the podcast didn't mention exactly how to make the numpad happen 
>>> and when I try what it said on the page for using a numpad by hitting the 
>>> fn key and I for numpad 5 it doesn't seem to work.
>>> Has anyone actually figured this part out and can tell us what we're doing 
>>> wrong?  I know we had to do things differently than the podcast mentioned 
>>> for remapping the voiceover keys to the caps lock since we didn't end up 
>>> having to go to system preferences but not sure why we can't get the numpad 
>>> part to work.  

Re: Sending Mail from wrong account

[Deb Lewis]

The only time the default mail account applies is when you invoke mail
fromanother app like the browser. If you're in Mail, either point to
the account you want to send from or shift tab to the from field and
choose the one you want from the combo box of your accounts.

On 3/5/14, Steve Vandecar  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am running Mavericks on a Mac Mink.  I have sseveral email accounts and I
> have one account set as the account to use to send mail by defalt.  The
> problem is even though that account is selected the mail is sent using a
> different account.
>
> Thanks
> Steve
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Re: extracting audio from DVDs?

[Deb Lewis]

Only if you can find the regions. My experience with modern DVD's is that 
accessing them for extraction through VLC has not been very accessible.
My best bet to date which is not free but is quite accessible is Mac dVD Ripper 
Pro. 
You'll extract both the audio and video but the result will be smaller than the 
original DVD and it will be accessible because each title will be an individual 
file. I'm trying to extract the audio from those but VLC doesn't see the files.

On Mar 6, 2014, at 7:07 AM, isaac  wrote:

> You can use vlc to  extract audio from DVDs.
> On Mar 6, 2014, at 8:50 AM, John D. Lipsey  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys:
>> 
>> I'm wondering what are people's preferences for extracting audio from DVDs?  
>> I'm thinking physical discs, but I also have some iso files of DVDs as well.
>> 
>> I used DVD audio extractor bakc in the days of windows, but I recall finding 
>> the mac version less than accessible.
>> 
>> Free solutions are, of course, amazing. However, at this point I just want 
>> to trim these things down in size considerably when they're living on my 
>> hard drive. As long as it's not a recurring payment or an overly expensive 
>> one, I'll take those suggestions too.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance, guys!
>> 
>> DFTBA!
>> 
>> John D. Lipsey
>> johnl1...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>> 
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Unable to rEgister Accounts after upgrading Mavricks

[Deb Lewis]

Hi:
I did the Mavericks upgrade for security a couple weeks ago. Since that time 
I've tried to register information on two new accounts with companies and no 
success either time. In both cases the companies say their sites are working 
properly. 
I've made no changes in my safari settings. I don't get any error on screen. It 
makes the clicking sound like it's going on to the next page but returns to the 
registration page. No fields are incomplete, no erros on the page. The first 
time I really assumed it was me or the site. Now I'm beginning to think it's 
some setting in sAfari. It has only happened since the upgrade. Any ideas on 
what I should be looking at? What might be blocking me from going to secure 
checkout sites. 

Deb

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Re: Unable to rEgister Accounts after upgrading Mavricks

[Deb Lewis]

I don't think that's the case here because the page does refresh.

I've seen places where the VO problem with clicking a button link does occur 
but that looks very different from this one.

On Mar 9, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Only one thing comes to mind, and I doubt this possibility.  Ever since Lion 
> came out, sometimes, Voice Over fails to react properly to VO+space.  What 
> sites are you having issues with?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Mar 9, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> I did the Mavericks upgrade for security a couple weeks ago. Since that time 
>> I've tried to register information on two new accounts with companies and no 
>> success either time. In both cases the companies say their sites are working 
>> properly. 
>> I've made no changes in my safari settings. I don't get any error on screen. 
>> It makes the clicking sound like it's going on to the next page but returns 
>> to the registration page. No fields are incomplete, no erros on the page. 
>> The first time I really assumed it was me or the site. Now I'm beginning to 
>> think it's some setting in sAfari. It has only happened since the upgrade. 
>> Any ideas on what I should be looking at? What might be blocking me from 
>> going to secure checkout sites. 
>> 
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Booting Mac in Safe MOde

[Deb Lewis]

Hi:
I've been researching my previously reported issue with sites not working 
correctly in sAfari. It's a known issue predating Mavricks. I need to boot into 
safe mode and then just reboot normally. Before I do, I have to change a couple 
of things in safari. NO problem.
Will vO work in safe mode? I don't need to log in, but I need to know when it 
is loaded. Of course I can just wait a long time too.
But I've not done this so any advice will be appreciated.


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Re: free software for solving capchas on mac

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Because you have to pay and they need some way to attached credit to you.
Beware though, the ten free credits expire the next day so make sure you have 
something lined up to practice on. I wasn't that smart and they don't tell you 
that the trial is only one day, just that it's ten credits.

On Mar 14, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Jessica  wrote:

> Why do you need an account?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Apple boy  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes try Rumola from
>> http://skipinput.com/
>> 
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>>> On 14/03/2014 15:21, Angela Delicata wrote:
>>> http://skipinput.com/
>>> Hth.
>>> Angela from Italy
>>> 
>>> Il 14/03/2014 15:59, Jessica ha scritto:
 can somebody send me a link to Rumalla so I can check it out?
 Jessica
 jldai...@gmail.com
 
> On Mar 14, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> I don't care if it's free or not. I would like to know the same thing.
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Jessica  wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> Sometimes, I get those capchas that nobody likes to solve.
>> I want to know what, if any free software exists to help blind and
>> visually impaired people like myself with this task.
>> I heard about Rumalla, but could not find it online. Does it work
>> with voiceover? Does it cost?
>> If so, what do you folks use?
>> 
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Re: A surprisingaccessibility effort from microsoft - one note

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I guess it's accessible enough for sure but it's so cluttered i couldn't really 
figure out how to use it. Definitely more accessible than the version in office 
though.
Someone may have to do a little tutorial though because it's so cluttered. 

On Mar 17, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Piotr Machacz  wrote:

> Hi all,
> So today while going through my usual routine of checking news sites, I found 
> out that Microsoft released their note taking app, one note, on OS X and that 
> it's free for  limited time. One note existed for a while, but I never payed  
> much attention to it, until now. I figured that it's free, so I might as well 
> try it out, also see how well the mobile apps read. So, having downloaded the 
> massive 400mb download, I must say I'm impressed. Maybe it shouldn't be all 
> that surprising after seeing how accessible the office web apps are, but one 
> note on mac? Someone really sat down to make the interface logical with voice 
> over. There is a lot of information read about the various pages, like how 
> many objects they contain. The content itself also reads very well, and 
> Voiceover indicates links, images, and even Tables. The ribbon is also read 
> very well and I personally find it easier to navigate with the VO cursor than 
> I ever did with the focus on Windows. So, give this app a try while it's 
> free. This also gives me really high hopes for the next edition of office for 
> mac that is apparently to be released later this year. If this, and the web 
> apps are anything to go by, it just might work very well.
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Changing Conversation on mac when subject Changes

[Deb Lewis]

Hi:
I'm on a couple of lists that get into involved conversations. I have messages 
grouped by conversation and for the most part I like it that way. But sometimes 
the subject line is changed to keep in step with what has evolved in the 
conversation. I don't see the subject change because all the messages that were 
written in that thread are threaded together despite the change of subject. Is 
there any way to get the Mac to divide the thread into more conversations based 
on subject rather than keep it threaded despite the subject change. when I'm 
responding, I'd like to make sure I keep my responses with the right subject, 
but I'm having a little difficulty doing this consistently.
Hope this is making sense. 

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Re: program to batch extract audio from video files?

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I have a file ripped from a DVD with a .DVD extension. Adapter doesn't see this 
file at all. Is there something i can do to make it compatible? I suspect it 
thinks it's protected. 
I need to get it to a format that Adapter can convert to audio.

On Mar 17, 2014, at 1:55 PM, John D. Lipsey  wrote:

> Cameron:
> 
> I use a program called Adapter.  It's done a great job of this in every 
> scenario I've tested it with.  Simply do a google search for adapter 
> converter for mac.  I think that's how I found it, at least.
> 
> One note: The button to start the conversion isn't actually labeled. It's the 
> very last button, directly to the left of a checkbox, which is the bottom 
> most element in the window.
> 
> The only thing this doesn't do is delete the video files when it's done.  
> Deleting those after is a simple enough task however, unless someone knows of 
> a way to have it convert and delete.
> 
> Let me know if you have questions about this program at all.
> 
> DFTBA!
> 
> John D. Lipsey
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> Twitter: @J_TGL
> 
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 13:54, Cameron Strife  wrote:
> 
>> Hi everybody. I'm looking for a program to batch convert the audio
>> from video files for example;start with 100 wmv and mov files etc and
>> end up with mp3 or another audio format.
>> 
>> GoldWave on the windows side does a very good job of this, but, I'm
>> trying to migrate this and other remaining tasks to OSX and/or iOS if
>> possible...
>> 
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Cameron.
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Re: Changing Conversation on mac when subject Changes

[Deb Lewis]

I changed this in Mail preferences actually before I wrote. Forgot to mention 
that. I don't see any change so far but maybe when more threads come in it will 
make a difference. So far not though on the existing ones.


On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:33 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> In Mail's preferences, in the Viewing tab, there's a checkbox that says 
> something like "group related messages". Try unchecking that, and see if that 
> does what you are after.
> On Mar 18, 2014, at 12:10 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> I'm on a couple of lists that get into involved conversations. I have 
>> messages grouped by conversation and for the most part I like it that way. 
>> But sometimes the subject line is changed to keep in step with what has 
>> evolved in the conversation. I don't see the subject change because all the 
>> messages that were written in that thread are threaded together despite the 
>> change of subject. Is there any way to get the Mac to divide the thread into 
>> more conversations based on subject rather than keep it threaded despite the 
>> subject change. when I'm responding, I'd like to make sure I keep my 
>> responses with the right subject, but I'm having a little difficulty doing 
>> this consistently.
>> Hope this is making sense. 
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Re: Latest Pages for College/Professional Work

[Deb Lewis]

I still hate pages even with the updates. it's not intuitive and a lot of 
things are awkward. I really still use Nisus writer for my heavier word 
processing and recommend it highly. 

On Mar 21, 2014, at 7:35 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> Someone on Twitter was asking me about getting a Mac for college. One concern 
> was word-processing, and whether Pages and Voiceover is good enough for 
> papers, resumes, that sort of thing. I don't use Pages much, so I can't 
> answer accurately, but I know people on here do. So, how is Pages (the 
> Mavericks version) compared with, say, Jaws or NVDA with MS Office? What can 
> you *not* do? What is easier?
> 
> I've used Pages some, and I love that the header, body, and footer are all 
> separate areas visible at once. However, I've not gone beyond a basic, blank 
> template, except to look at a flyer layout and get very confused. I have no 
> need for page headers, numbering, inserting tables or images, and other 
> advanced features. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: 30-second Delay Before Voiceover Speaks Time

[Deb Lewis]

I can't replicate this. Well very occasionally I can, but usually mine speaks 
the time in about two seconds. If there's a lot going on it's a little slower. 
I don't think it has ever been 30 seconds though. 
This is a Macbook Pro. we have an Air at work which is slightly slower. I 
should see if the processor makes all that much difference.


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> hi, all,
> 
> I think I brought this up awhile back, but don't remember if there was a 
> resolution. i notice when using option-t that it takes an average of 30 
> seconds for VO to speak the time and date. The Braille display takes the same 
> length of time to activate. Is this a bug of some sort? I've noticed this 
> ever since Lion first came out and I updated.
> 
> thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> Visualize whirled peas.
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Re: Experiences with Canvas, the Learning Management platform?

[Deb Lewis]

It was one of the most miserable experiences I ever had.
Supposedly Canvas has been declared accessible by the NFB. They must have 
gotten big bucks for that one because frankly it didn't work well with any 
browser on any platform. There is a major accessibility commentary on it that I 
might be able to find a link too, pretty scathing overall. If I were a student, 
I'd be filing a complaint with my university on this one for sure. I was taking 
an extension course and ultimately dropped it after trying lots of workarounds 
people suggested. Safari was about my worst experience.


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> Hi.
> 
> Has anyone ever used a Learning Management platform called Canvas?  If so, 
> can you tell me how usable it is from an accessibility standpoint?  Will it 
> work well with Safari on the Mac?  Instructure, the company that produces 
> canvas has also created apps for the iPad.  How usable are they?
> 
> My gratitude as always,
> 
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Re: Experiences with Canvas, the Learning Management platform?

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I had to use the chat features for example. I could definitely read 
assignments. But this was a chatting class where you had to chat daily.
Some of the screens didn't even show up unless you did a refresh for each 
screen. I hope that has improved, but I was not impressed and neither were some 
formal reviewers from WebAIM.


On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> That's interesting. I, and many blind students at my school, well the ones 
> that use technology in the first place, use it fairly well, at least with 
> simply turning in assignments and reading the assignments. I do wish, 
> however, that canvas allowed one to read the assignment while answering it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:09, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> It was one of the most miserable experiences I ever had.
>> Supposedly Canvas has been declared accessible by the NFB. They must have 
>> gotten big bucks for that one because frankly it didn't work well with any 
>> browser on any platform. There is a major accessibility commentary on it 
>> that I might be able to find a link too, pretty scathing overall. If I were 
>> a student, I'd be filing a complaint with my university on this one for 
>> sure. I was taking an extension course and ultimately dropped it after 
>> trying lots of workarounds people suggested. Safari was about my worst 
>> experience.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 5:24 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone ever used a Learning Management platform called Canvas?  If so, 
>>> can you tell me how usable it is from an accessibility standpoint?  Will it 
>>> work well with Safari on the Mac?  Instructure, the company that produces 
>>> canvas has also created apps for the iPad.  How usable are they?
>>> 
>>> My gratitude as always,
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[Deb Lewis]

I think it depends entirely on how you use the applications. My office is all 
Ms Office. We've found that pages documents don't really export well to word 
and even Word for Mac, which is not accessible, doesn't export well to word for 
windows. 
I think there are some better word processing packages for the Mac than Pages 
especially if you need to interface with Windows word etc. 
But if you're stand alone and not interfacing much with the Windows apps, then 
the Mac apps do fine. It's more an issue of compatibility than accessibility 
for the most part. But if you're working in a windows environment, I think 
careful research is in order. 
I ended up with a virtual machine on my Mac for just that rason. I do some work 
on the Mac side and some not he windows side. 


On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>  
> OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, which is 
> what I had hoped.
>  
> My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well does 
> VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
>  
> It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this correct?  
> What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are working 
> with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the Mac.  Is 
> it?
>  
> I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with spreadsheets.  
> Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it with 
> VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you have 
> much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better? 
>  
> Thanks,
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Re: Experiences with Canvas, the Learning Management platform?

[Deb Lewis]

Yes, it's similar. And someone who has current access to Canvas should check 
this out specifically because it has been about 18 months for me and of course 
things do change. But it was a show stopper for sure. 

On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:12 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> Are these chat features analogous to the Bulletin Board facility that is 
> found in BlackBoard?  I know that a lot of visually-impaired people had 
> problems with this and for me, it was a show-stopper.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 2,Apr,2014, at 4:03 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
>> I had to use the chat features for example. I could definitely read 
>> assignments. But this was a chatting class where you had to chat daily.
>> Some of the screens didn't even show up unless you did a refresh for each 
>> screen. I hope that has improved, but I was not impressed and neither were 
>> some formal reviewers from WebAIM.
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's interesting. I, and many blind students at my school, well the ones 
>>> that use technology in the first place, use it fairly well, at least with 
>>> simply turning in assignments and reading the assignments. I do wish, 
>>> however, that canvas allowed one to read the assignment while answering it. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:09, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It was one of the most miserable experiences I ever had.
>>>> Supposedly Canvas has been declared accessible by the NFB. They must have 
>>>> gotten big bucks for that one because frankly it didn't work well with any 
>>>> browser on any platform. There is a major accessibility commentary on it 
>>>> that I might be able to find a link too, pretty scathing overall. If I 
>>>> were a student, I'd be filing a complaint with my university on this one 
>>>> for sure. I was taking an extension course and ultimately dropped it after 
>>>> trying lots of workarounds people suggested. Safari was about my worst 
>>>> experience.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 5:24 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone ever used a Learning Management platform called Canvas?  If 
>>>>> so, can you tell me how usable it is from an accessibility standpoint?  
>>>>> Will it work well with Safari on the Mac?  Instructure, the company that 
>>>>> produces canvas has also created apps for the iPad.  How usable are they?
>>>>> 
>>>>> My gratitude as always,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
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Re: Waking up a virtual machine

[Deb Lewis]

I have much less problem with this now that i"m no longer using full screen 
mode. And, if I'm going to be away from the window for any real length of time 
I just suspend and return as needed. But really everything has run so much more 
smoothly all around since ditching the notion of full screen mode. 


On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:15 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> Hi.
> Using Windows 7 64 bit in a VM Fusion virtual machine, whenever I walk away 
> from it for more than an hour or so, I have a devil of a time getting back 
> into the VM.  I have both the VM and my Mac Mini set to never go to sleep, 
> and yet when I return the only thing I can get to is the Mac Fusion window.  
> I almost always have to restart the VM to get it up and running.  Any tips or 
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Bill
>  
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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[Deb Lewis]

You can edit them in Windows using Acrobat Pro (not the reader) but it’s not 
very accessible. We often do this in my office to increase accessibility. You 
don’t want to convert and then reconvert. You edit it on the fly with tagging 
and reordering.


On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> Does this apply on the mac as well? Not talking about image Pdfs because as 
> we all know these are not accessible unless sent to some Ocr package. I'm 
> talking about editing Pdfs in general. I've not found one screen reader 
> compatible program for Windows at least for the editing portion. Sure I can 
> use the program but it's minimally functional. Take Nitro Pdf for example. 
> I've heard good things about Pdf Pen is this the standard editor of choice 
> for you?
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
> 
> On 04/04/2014 18:11, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> That's generally true with screen-readers. I have a sighted friend who uses 
>> Adobe acrobat to edit pdf files, but editing pdf with screen-readers has 
>> always been minimal in my experience. Even reading them is somewhat 
>> problematic.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> “Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.”—Richard P. 
>> Feynman
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've always thought of PDF as a consumption format rather than an editable 
>>> document. Sort of like an mp3. You create an audio file in something with 
>>> multiple tracks that you edit and such and when you're done you export to 
>>> an mp3. Likewise you edit your document in Pages or the like and when 
>>> you're done you can export to PDF. Once exported it's really hard to make 
>>> any additional changes.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 4/2/14 8:23 AM, Josh Gregory wrote:
 Yes that's correct. However, oddly enough, pages cannot open PDF files, 
 only export to them.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Matt Dierckens  
 wrote:
 
> Well I see you're right. You can only export files to word, PDF, epub, 
> Pages 09, and text.
> I do know that textedit can do RTF.
> 
> Matt Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> Weird, there was one format I know it said it couldn't support and I'm 
>> pretty sure it was RTF. Maybe I was wrong.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Matt Dierckens  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Textedit will support RTF and so will pages. With pages you just can't 
>>> write in RTF.
>>> 
>>> Matt Dierckens
>>> Macintosh Trainer
>>> Blind Access Training
>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>> 
 The one thing I don't like about it is that it does not support Rich 
 text format files, this may seem a little picky but I think that a 
 word processor such as pages should at least be able to support what I 
 think is a pretty basic file format.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. I have pages now, and I do like it. I kinda wish VO would 
> announce a heading as a heading and not just as bold 18 pt, unless, 
> that's all a heading is.
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Chris Apple boy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott and all
>> All I can say is I really like both TextEdit and Pages on my Macbook 
>> Pro 2012 model. Numbers for the mac I plan to get in the near future 
>> as well as Keynote which is Apple's answer to Microsoft PowerPoint. 
>> I've heard great things though about the latest Numbers and Keynote 
>> all of which sound promising.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>>> On 02/04/2014 11:58, Scott Duck wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, 
>>> which is
>>> what I had hoped.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well 
>>> does
>>> VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this 
>>> correct?
>>> What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are 
>>> working
>>> with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the 
>>> Mac.  Is
>>> it?
>>

Re: casperski accessibility?

[Deb Lewis]

I haven't tried the Mac version but the Windows version specifically requires 
you to use a mouse. When I spoke with them, it's intentional since they think 
keyboard interfaces are insecure. So, not sure if you can successfully mouse 
options on the Mac. But they're not interested in improving accessibility.

On Apr 5, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Hi all. My mom has bought me Casperski protection for mac. How accessible is 
> it? The installation screen looks pretty good, really, but if no one has 
> tried this, I'll post my findings.
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Re: casperski accessibility?

[Deb Lewis]

They did readily agree to refund me for the windows version. So if they haven't 
changed their stance on this, I'd certainly at least do that.
They were totally aware of screen readers and said it was a specific decision 
not to support us.
I thought I'd heard it all up to that point. 


On Apr 5, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Now that, is pathetic. I won't actively use their software because of this. 
> That is a shame.
> On Apr 5, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
>> I haven't tried the Mac version but the Windows version specifically 
>> requires you to use a mouse. When I spoke with them, it's intentional since 
>> they think keyboard interfaces are insecure. So, not sure if you can 
>> successfully mouse options on the Mac. But they're not interested in 
>> improving accessibility.
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all. My mom has bought me Casperski protection for mac. How accessible 
>>> is it? The installation screen looks pretty good, really, but if no one has 
>>> tried this, I'll post my findings.
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Re: Using the mouse was Re: casperski accessibility?

[Deb Lewis]

Yeah I definitely think it's worth trying on the Mac side. Mouse emulation 
didn't work on the Windows side and I realize it's not the same on the Mac. But 
I suspect you might have to turn VO off to get past their security. My primary 
issue was not wanting to give money to a company that was unwilling to even 
consider making their app more accessible as a conscious decision.


On Apr 5, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Just an additional note: mouse keys are independent of Voiceover, and use the 
> actual mouse pointer, so if you can find the items you want to click on, it 
> might be more reliable. As far as routing the vO cursor, you can do this, but 
> you can also set navigation in VO utility to have the VO cursor always move 
> the mouse pointer.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> Teresa Cochran
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> On Apr 5, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:
> 
>> Yes you can mouse on the mac with VoiceOver alone. By default the VoiceOver 
>> cursor does not follow the mouse pointer but you can always route the mouse 
>> pointer to the location of the VoiceOver cursor with vo-command-f5 then 
>> simulate a click with vo-shift-space. This does not always work in all apps 
>> but it certainly can be done. You can also enable mouse keys and the right 
>> side of your keyboard turns into mouse simulation functions.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>> On 05/04/2014 16:13, Deb Lewis wrote:
>>> I haven't tried the Mac version but the Windows version specifically 
>>> requires you to use a mouse. When I spoke with them, it's intentional since 
>>> they think keyboard interfaces are insecure. So, not sure if you can 
>>> successfully mouse options on the Mac. But they're not interested in 
>>> improving accessibility.
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Re: Keyboard Maestro Actions Question

[Deb Lewis]

A friend recommended that I consider Hazel as a way of resolving some of my 
problems with various tasks. So, I' d appreciate it a lot if you guys would 
have that discussion right here since this is an application I know virtually 
nothing about. Meanwhile, I'm going to Google it down so I can learn what i can 
on my own. 


On Apr 6, 2014, at 4:28 AM, Keith Watson  wrote:

> Emilio,
> 
> Sure, not a problem. My email address is tkwat...@me.com and I would be glad 
> to help out where I can. This goes for anyone out there that is looking to 
> increase their knowledge about using a Mac to automate their lives. I am a 
> fanatic about this subject.
> 
> Keith
> 
> On Apr 6, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Emilio  wrote:
> 
>> Keith,
>> 
>> Thank you for that bit of info because that is the step I was not 
>> understanding well.
>> Appreciate the podcast by the way.
>> 
>> P.S. From what I understand you use Hazel. It is a great application, do you 
>> have any tips how I can configure this program to work better for me because 
>> some things I am not understanding well. Perhaps we can chat off-list so as 
>> not to bombard the group.
>> 
>> Thanks.
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Re: Hazel Discussion

[Deb Lewis]

Yes, hazel is exactly what I need. I hve Microsoft One Drive which has
been syncing my work documents across my Pcs and Mac. My office is
moving to One Drive Pro but there's no Mac option yet. so, I plan to
maintain my One Drive across tdevices as appropriate, but I need
certain files to replicate in both locations. I could use a naming
convention or a particular subfolder and Hazel could theoretically
copy them to the other folder on the Mac.
Now, couldn't I also do this with Keyboard Maestro or what am I
missing? I haven't purchased either of them yet.

On 4/6/14, Nicholas Parsons  wrote:
> Hi Teresa,
>
> Automator can create folders which it watches and then performs certain
> actions if a file is placed in that folder. Hazel is different in that it
> will perform the action only if the given conditions are met, and these
> conditions are quite powerful. Moreover, it is easier to setup as you just
> select the folder you want Hazel to watch from the Hazel system preference
> pane, and then add the rules. A bit like Rules in Apple Mail for Mac. You
> can download and trial it for free if you're interested in how it differs
> from Automator.
>
> Best,
> Nic
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Re: pages questions

[Deb Lewis]

You really might want to consider Nisus writer Pro. Although Pages is much 
improved over where it used to be, I generally find it takes a lot of work to 
get things done. Nisus writer is very straight forward and totally accessible. 
It's not cheap so experiment with the trial version to make sure it does what 
you want. debs are very responsive too. 


On Apr 12, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> Well I don't really think its a question of a learning curve.  I've never 
> thought there was a learning curve for mac and I don't want one for pages.  
> And creating a table just to use one tab stop is not how I want to spend my 
> time when it could be better spent for writing which is what a word processor 
> is supposed to be for.  And its not that i'm a big microsoft word fan.  
> I don't really think pages is a blind friendly app and not one I'l add to my 
> "I love my mac list."
> Just my raving for the day.
> It might be time to take another look at using LaTex for mac.
> Jim
> 
> On Apr 12, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> I'm in the same boat Jim, but I realize that there's going to be a learning 
>> curve with Pages. Until I get up to speed, I'm going to be spending a lot of 
>> time figuring out the little things. Nick's suggestion is a classic 
>> workaround that I've come to accept more and more. I'm not going to use any 
>> computer as it was intended to be used - that way being visually. So, I 
>> accept those impossible situations and their plausible workarounds.
>> 
>> BTW: this is why I keep Windows/Office around. In a pinch, I can always go 
>> back to what I knew best.
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I guess that might be an option but I am beginning to think I am having to 
>>> work for  pages instead of it working for me.  I used an actual word 
>>> processor under windows that was just that, a word processor and this is so 
>>> different. I love everything else about the mac but I just don't think I 
>>> should have to spend hours sometimes trying to figure out how to make pages 
>>> do what I want when it could be so easy.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:57 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Would an alternative to the tab stop method be just to create a table and 
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Re: accessing the vm

[Deb Lewis]

I used to use the VM in full screen mode, but i've found that it works so much 
better if you don't do that. In the normal mode, you just command tab to it and 
you always have focus right there. I've never had any problems since dropping 
the full screen notion.
This is not the unity mode, that's also a disaster. Just the normal mode. 


On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
wrote:

> Oh!  Thanks so much!
> I thought the command for full screen mode was command control enter in 
> version 6.x
> Cait
> 
> On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:03 AM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:
> 
>> Command-control-f. Whoever said Control-g that probably won't work in this 
>> case.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>> On 14/04/2014 09:53, Caitlyn and Maggie wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> How do you get focus on the window with your vm in it, so that you can do 
>>> things in the vm?
>>> I usually hit command control enter to make sure it's in full screen mode.  
>>> Today, though, that didn't work.  I could hear nvda speaking, but couldn't 
>>> get to the window to do anything in windows.  The mac kept making a bonking 
>>> noise every time I did command control enter. Tabbing didn't work, that 
>>> just went back and forth on the toolbar.  Restarting the vm didn't help, 
>>> either, nor closing and reopening vmware.
>>> 
>>> thanks for any help!
>>> Cait
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Re: accessing the vm

[Deb Lewis]

Makes sense about the gaming of course.
But as for the keyboard, that does not. I have no problems using the keyboard. 
I was about to give up not he VM entirely because of the focus issue and other 
things until a friend told me to stop using full screen. I was skeptical, but 
at least for what I do, it was the best solution.

On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Unfortunately, some audio games require full screen mode. I only use Windows 
> for gaming, so I need to keep it in that mode. Plus, I find that I can never 
> get the keyboard to switch to Windows if I'm not in full screen, no matter 
> what I press. It's interesting how everyone's experiences with Fusion are so 
> different.
> On Apr 14, 2014, at 9:33 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
>> I used to use the VM in full screen mode, but i've found that it works so 
>> much better if you don't do that. In the normal mode, you just command tab 
>> to it and you always have focus right there. I've never had any problems 
>> since dropping the full screen notion.
>> This is not the unity mode, that's also a disaster. Just the normal mode. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh!  Thanks so much!
>>> I thought the command for full screen mode was command control enter in 
>>> version 6.x
>>> Cait
>>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:03 AM, Chris Apple boy  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Command-control-f. Whoever said Control-g that probably won't work in this 
>>>> case.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards Chris
>>>> 
>>>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>>>> 
>>>> On 14/04/2014 09:53, Caitlyn and Maggie wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> How do you get focus on the window with your vm in it, so that you can do 
>>>>> things in the vm?
>>>>> I usually hit command control enter to make sure it's in full screen 
>>>>> mode.  Today, though, that didn't work.  I could hear nvda speaking, but 
>>>>> couldn't get to the window to do anything in windows.  The mac kept 
>>>>> making a bonking noise every time I did command control enter. Tabbing 
>>>>> didn't work, that just went back and forth on the toolbar.  Restarting 
>>>>> the vm didn't help, either, nor closing and reopening vmware.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks for any help!
>>>>> Cait
>>>>> 
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Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

[Deb Lewis]

Well the biggest reason I would buy it in a heart beat is that all the
formatting would be once again compatible with that of my co workers.
Believe me, it never is from Pages and my co workers tell me that even
the current Mac Office is not really compatible. So it'sin everyone's
interest for this to work better including accessibility of course.

On 4/16/14, Annie Skov Nielsen  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> For me there would be good reasons to by office if it becomes accessible. As
> I experience it headings on different levels works better, I can not figure
> out this in pages. I have never ever got it to work quick and easy to make a
> document with table of content, and I really say quick and easy, I will not
> spend a lot of time on such a task. Now I have in fact found a way to do
> that, that is quick and easy, I think I will tell about it some day in the
> future, but pages were not helpfull for that task.
>
> Best regards Annie.
> Den 16/04/2014 kl. 17.23 skrev Devin Prater :
>
>> Why buy office when Pages is free?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Sent from my iPod 5.
>> iMessage, facebook, and face-time: devinpra...@live.com
>> email: d.pra...@me.com
>> Google Talk/keychat: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 21:24, Nicholas Parsons
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> The below article mentions that the up-coming Office for Mac has been
>>> rebuilt in Cocoa, the Mac's native programming language, so there's a
>>> good chance it will have taken advantage of all Apple's built-in
>>> accessibility. Here's hoping.
>>>
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2141101/five-interesting-tidbits-from-the-office-for-ipad-ama.html#tk.rss_all
>>>
>>> Microsoft does Reddit: Five cool things we learned about Office for iPad
>>>
>>>
>>> Apps
>>> Don't look now, but the Office for iPad team ventured onto Reddit for one
>>> of the service's Ask Me Anything (AMA) sessions. Here are the five most
>>> intriguing things they said.
>>>
>>> The Office for iPad team and Office for Mac team are one and the same
>>>
>>> Not a big surprise, but the folks who built the Office for iPad apps are
>>> the same ones who are working on Office for Mac. And it's a pretty
>>> Mac-centric group, too; According to the team, "everyone has an iPad, and
>>> the Mac:PC ratio is 16:1." Don't expect them to reveal when the next
>>> version of Office might make its way to the Mac, however; when asked, the
>>> group would only say "we are working on the next version."
>>>
>>> Office for iPad was built from the ground up, and shares code with OS X
>>>
>>> One of the nicest things about the new Office apps is that they feel
>>> fluid and comfortable on the iPad, and the back-end code is part of the
>>> reason for that: According to one of the Word developers, the team
>>> "started with the Mac Office code base, and ported it from [the older OS
>>> X Carbon infrastructure] to Cocoa/UIKit." In fact, building the iPad
>>> versions of the Office apps is actually helping the team rebuild Office
>>> for Mac: When it arrives, the OS X suite should be fully built in the
>>> modern Cocoa infrastructure--resulting in faster and more responsive
>>> versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.
>>>
>>> Ballmer approved Office for iPad
>>>
>>> While the Office for iPad team didn't comment directly about the app
>>> suite's rumored shelving/delays over the years, the team's technical
>>> product manager did let slip that it was Ballmer who approved Office for
>>> iPad's release, not new CEO Satya Nadella.
>>>
>>> Hate all you want on Clippy, but Max was pretty cool
>>>
>>>
>>> Max = so much cooler than Clippy.
>>>
>>> There were plenty of comments in the AMA both praising and insulting
>>> Office's oldmascot/3D-assistant Clippy, but one of the Office for iPad
>>> team's Word developers pointed out an important detail in that debate:
>>> Clippy wasn't actually called Clippy on the Mac--he was Max. "Max was an
>>> icon of a Mac SE, and, when he got bored, he'd turn himself into a
>>> Rubik's Cube. In typical Mac fashion, Clippy was lame. Max was cool."
>>>
>>> Macworld has a hidden presence in the Microsoft's Silicon Valley offices
>>>
>>> Microsoft iPad for Office team
>>> When asked about "cool vintage Apple products" hidden in the Office for
>>> iPad team's offices, Derek Johnson pointed out that there are quite a few
>>> Macworld Eddys and MacUser awards hanging out in Silicon Valley above a
>>> bar made entirely of Office for Mac boxes. Also, a G4 cubequarium (which
>>> is sadly not Macworld-related, but pretty cool all the same).
>>>
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Re: Is There an Easier Way to Access and Download Google Drive Documents?

[Deb Lewis]

Have you tried using Insync? I'm not currently using it but I have used the Mac 
client in the past when I needed to establish a drive on my Mac for Google 
docs. Works like dropbox etc. 
I don't remember if all the functionality was accessible but it certainly did 
download all the files and give me access to them in a folder. There is also 
still Google Drive but I never used the mac client for that and chose Insync at 
the time because it was so seamless. I haven't used it in a few months so 
things might have changed but looking at their web site it still seems pretty 
straightforward.


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wrote:

> I need to access some documents on Google Drive. There is a lot of them. I 
> want to just download them to my Mac so I have easy access to them. Plus, I 
> need to OCR them. Does anyone have an easier way to do this rather than 
> opening each document individually and pressing download?
> Thanks,
> Nic
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Rformatting my Mac

[Deb Lewis]

Hi:
I'm returning my MacBook Air to myoffice and need to reformat it
first. I went into Disk Utility and selected Erase but everything is
greyed out even though I've selected the drive etc. I'm obviously
missing some steps, LOL. I know this should be doable with VO because
I think I've seen it happen before, but as I said, I'm obviously not
quite getting it right since no options are available.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Deb

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Re: Rformatting my Mac

[Deb Lewis]

OK. Duh, I do feel stupid. This time nothing was greyed out and I
agreed to all of the agreements. It didn't say anything like starting
to reformat and it's just sitting there at least in terms of feedback.
I assume I've done the deed since I didn't get any errors and there's
no longer any VO? I guess I expected to get a start button or
something after I agreed to everything.


On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As Chris mentioned, you must do this from the Recovery Partition.  The
> reason everything is dimmed out is that you are currently running the MacOS
> from that HD, so you are not allowed to erase the "blessed" running system.
> So, restart your computer and as you hear the Startup Chime, hold down the
> cmd and "r" keys simultaneously for about 5 seconds then release.  Wait for
> a minute or so then press cmd-f5 and see if VO activates.  If it does, then
> you can erase the HD and install the OS to base system.  If VO doesn't
> start, wait another minute or so and try again.  It shouldn't take longer
> than that to bring up the utilities.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On May 7, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>> I'm returning my MacBook Air to myoffice and need to reformat it
>> first. I went into Disk Utility and selected Erase but everything is
>> greyed out even though I've selected the drive etc. I'm obviously
>> missing some steps, LOL. I know this should be doable with VO because
>> I think I've seen it happen before, but as I said, I'm obviously not
>> quite getting it right since no options are available.
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>> Deb
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Re: Rformatting my Mac

[Deb Lewis]

I did a restart on VO and it was on an install button. So I took that
and now it says signing into the app store, but it's been saying this
for about 20 minutes. Appears t be totally stuck doing this step. I
also can't exit this. Yikes, panic.

On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> VO shouldn't quit working though.  Hmmm.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On May 7, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Chris Apple boy 
> wrote:
>
>> No you don't. It just goes ahead and erases it once you agreed to do so.
>> You can now quit Disk Utility and reinstall Mac Os X.
>>
>> Regards Chris
>> Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth!
>>
>> On 07/05/2014 19:49, Deb Lewis wrote:
>>> OK. Duh, I do feel stupid. This time nothing was greyed out and I
>>> agreed to all of the agreements. It didn't say anything like starting
>>> to reformat and it's just sitting there at least in terms of feedback.
>>> I assume I've done the deed since I didn't get any errors and there's
>>> no longer any VO? I guess I expected to get a start button or
>>> something after I agreed to everything.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> As Chris mentioned, you must do this from the Recovery Partition.  The
>>>> reason everything is dimmed out is that you are currently running the
>>>> MacOS
>>>> from that HD, so you are not allowed to erase the "blessed" running
>>>> system.
>>>> So, restart your computer and as you hear the Startup Chime, hold down
>>>> the
>>>> cmd and "r" keys simultaneously for about 5 seconds then release.  Wait
>>>> for
>>>> a minute or so then press cmd-f5 and see if VO activates.  If it does,
>>>> then
>>>> you can erase the HD and install the OS to base system.  If VO doesn't
>>>> start, wait another minute or so and try again.  It shouldn't take
>>>> longer
>>>> than that to bring up the utilities.
>>>>
>>>> Later...
>>>>
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>
>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi:
>>>>> I'm returning my MacBook Air to myoffice and need to reformat it
>>>>> first. I went into Disk Utility and selected Erase but everything is
>>>>> greyed out even though I've selected the drive etc. I'm obviously
>>>>> missing some steps, LOL. I know this should be doable with VO because
>>>>> I think I've seen it happen before, but as I said, I'm obviously not
>>>>> quite getting it right since no options are available.
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Deb
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Re: Rformatting my Mac

[Deb Lewis]

Yes, it was looking for the ID and wasn't bringing focus to it. Next
it didn't recognize the Apple ID although I confirmed it using another
device. I've backed out of all and starting over. I actually didn't do
erase first last time and think this is actually what needs to happen.
I'm OK to proceed with that assuming I'm erasing the MacinTosh HD from
the options? But not sure what to do about my apple ID. Definitely
typed correctly and all that. My ID changed at some point so I even
tried entering the previous one which is still active. It says it's an
ID but not one I purchased Mavrix with. But Mavrix was free, LOL. I
know what they mean though.
I was able to use this ID to go into the App Store and verify my purchases etc.
Didn't think this would become this complicated.
To confirm, I want to erase the Macintosh HD? And any thoughts about
how to get it to accept this ID which I know is valid.
Can I restore ack to Mountain Lion which came on the disk and then
upgrade again if necessary? Just
trying not to get caught with no PC at all somewhere down the line.
Deb



On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Did it ask you for your Apple ID and password?  If not, that's what it is
> waiting for.  Try the Window Chooser cmd-f2-f2 and see if you can bring
> focus to that area.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On May 7, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>
>> I did a restart on VO and it was on an install button. So I took that
>> and now it says signing into the app store, but it's been saying this
>> for about 20 minutes. Appears t be totally stuck doing this step. I
>> also can't exit this. Yikes, panic.
>>
>> On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> VO shouldn't quit working though.  Hmmm.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Chris Apple boy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No you don't. It just goes ahead and erases it once you agreed to do
>>>> so.
>>>> You can now quit Disk Utility and reinstall Mac Os X.
>>>>
>>>> Regards Chris
>>>> Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth!
>>>>
>>>> On 07/05/2014 19:49, Deb Lewis wrote:
>>>>> OK. Duh, I do feel stupid. This time nothing was greyed out and I
>>>>> agreed to all of the agreements. It didn't say anything like starting
>>>>> to reformat and it's just sitting there at least in terms of feedback.
>>>>> I assume I've done the deed since I didn't get any errors and there's
>>>>> no longer any VO? I guess I expected to get a start button or
>>>>> something after I agreed to everything.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As Chris mentioned, you must do this from the Recovery Partition.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> reason everything is dimmed out is that you are currently running the
>>>>>> MacOS
>>>>>> from that HD, so you are not allowed to erase the "blessed" running
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>> So, restart your computer and as you hear the Startup Chime, hold
>>>>>> down
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> cmd and "r" keys simultaneously for about 5 seconds then release.
>>>>>> Wait
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a minute or so then press cmd-f5 and see if VO activates.  If it
>>>>>> does,
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> you can erase the HD and install the OS to base system.  If VO
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> start, wait another minute or so and try again.  It shouldn't take
>>>>>> longer
>>>>>> than that to bring up the utilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>> I'm returning my MacBook Air to myoffice and need to reformat it
>>>>>>> first. I went into Disk Utility and selected Erase but everything is
>>>>>>> greyed out even though I've selected the drive etc. I'm obviously
>>>>>>> 

Re: Rformatting my Mac

[Deb Lewis]

OK. got through the ID prompt this time. There is now one window which
says to choose a start up disk. But the scroll area for this is empty.
The only button is restart. If you press this it logically says that
you've not selected a disk. I agree with that. But I can't select one.
And it's the only window in the window chooser. No other options but
to restart and the disks are empty. I've definitely made things worse.
I didn't see how this could go so wrong.
Definitely appreciating the help.

On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You shouldn't need to go to Mountain Lion first.  Apple should have a
> digital record of your computer being acceptable to use Mavericks.  Try
> restarting your Mac again, holding down the cmd and "r" keys" thus ensuring
> into recovery mode.  Click on the Disk Utility option and continue.  Yes, it
> is the Macintosh HD you wish to erase.  Erase it again with the default
> options of Mac OS Extended Journaled as your formatting preference.  Quit
> out of Disk Utility after it's done which should take you back to the screen
> where you can choose to re-install OS X.  Choose that option and continue.
> Agree to everything except your first born, then if it takes longer than
> about 3 seconds to come up with your Apple ID entry window, use the Window
> Chooser to find it.  Enter your Apple ID and password as usual and see what
> happens.  I'm wondering if the wait caused an issue.  Hopefully, that does
> the trick, otherwise we're going to need to do something in a round-about
> way.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On May 7, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>
>> Yes, it was looking for the ID and wasn't bringing focus to it. Next
>> it didn't recognize the Apple ID although I confirmed it using another
>> device. I've backed out of all and starting over. I actually didn't do
>> erase first last time and think this is actually what needs to happen.
>> I'm OK to proceed with that assuming I'm erasing the MacinTosh HD from
>> the options? But not sure what to do about my apple ID. Definitely
>> typed correctly and all that. My ID changed at some point so I even
>> tried entering the previous one which is still active. It says it's an
>> ID but not one I purchased Mavrix with. But Mavrix was free, LOL. I
>> know what they mean though.
>> I was able to use this ID to go into the App Store and verify my purchases
>> etc.
>> Didn't think this would become this complicated.
>> To confirm, I want to erase the Macintosh HD? And any thoughts about
>> how to get it to accept this ID which I know is valid.
>> Can I restore ack to Mountain Lion which came on the disk and then
>> upgrade again if necessary? Just
>> trying not to get caught with no PC at all somewhere down the line.
>> Deb
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Did it ask you for your Apple ID and password?  If not, that's what it
>>> is
>>> waiting for.  Try the Window Chooser cmd-f2-f2 and see if you can bring
>>> focus to that area.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did a restart on VO and it was on an install button. So I took that
>>>> and now it says signing into the app store, but it's been saying this
>>>> for about 20 minutes. Appears t be totally stuck doing this step. I
>>>> also can't exit this. Yikes, panic.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> VO shouldn't quit working though.  Hmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later...
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Chris Apple boy
>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No you don't. It just goes ahead and erases it once you agreed to do
>>>>>> so.
>>>>>> You can now quit Disk Utility and reinstall Mac Os X.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards Chris
>>>>>> Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07/05/2014 19:49, Deb Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>> OK. Duh, I do feel stupid. This time nothing was greyed out and I
>>>>>>> agreed to all of the agreements. It didn

Re: Rformatting my Mac

[Deb Lewis]

Well it finally restarted on its own and I got the typical install
window that I've seen lots of times so we're probably good. I just
hope it did erase t. Was never quite sure about that. But I do think
we're finally making progress.

On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> That dialog should only appear when you quit the recovery app.  Not sure why
> this is being so uncooperative.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On May 7, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>
>> OK. got through the ID prompt this time. There is now one window which
>> says to choose a start up disk. But the scroll area for this is empty.
>> The only button is restart. If you press this it logically says that
>> you've not selected a disk. I agree with that. But I can't select one.
>> And it's the only window in the window chooser. No other options but
>> to restart and the disks are empty. I've definitely made things worse.
>> I didn't see how this could go so wrong.
>> Definitely appreciating the help.
>>
>> On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> You shouldn't need to go to Mountain Lion first.  Apple should have a
>>> digital record of your computer being acceptable to use Mavericks.  Try
>>> restarting your Mac again, holding down the cmd and "r" keys" thus
>>> ensuring
>>> into recovery mode.  Click on the Disk Utility option and continue.  Yes,
>>> it
>>> is the Macintosh HD you wish to erase.  Erase it again with the default
>>> options of Mac OS Extended Journaled as your formatting preference.
>>> Quit
>>> out of Disk Utility after it's done which should take you back to the
>>> screen
>>> where you can choose to re-install OS X.  Choose that option and
>>> continue.
>>> Agree to everything except your first born, then if it takes longer than
>>> about 3 seconds to come up with your Apple ID entry window, use the
>>> Window
>>> Chooser to find it.  Enter your Apple ID and password as usual and see
>>> what
>>> happens.  I'm wondering if the wait caused an issue.  Hopefully, that
>>> does
>>> the trick, otherwise we're going to need to do something in a
>>> round-about
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, it was looking for the ID and wasn't bringing focus to it. Next
>>>> it didn't recognize the Apple ID although I confirmed it using another
>>>> device. I've backed out of all and starting over. I actually didn't do
>>>> erase first last time and think this is actually what needs to happen.
>>>> I'm OK to proceed with that assuming I'm erasing the MacinTosh HD from
>>>> the options? But not sure what to do about my apple ID. Definitely
>>>> typed correctly and all that. My ID changed at some point so I even
>>>> tried entering the previous one which is still active. It says it's an
>>>> ID but not one I purchased Mavrix with. But Mavrix was free, LOL. I
>>>> know what they mean though.
>>>> I was able to use this ID to go into the App Store and verify my
>>>> purchases
>>>> etc.
>>>> Didn't think this would become this complicated.
>>>> To confirm, I want to erase the Macintosh HD? And any thoughts about
>>>> how to get it to accept this ID which I know is valid.
>>>> Can I restore ack to Mountain Lion which came on the disk and then
>>>> upgrade again if necessary? Just
>>>> trying not to get caught with no PC at all somewhere down the line.
>>>> Deb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/7/14, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Did it ask you for your Apple ID and password?  If not, that's what it
>>>>> is
>>>>> waiting for.  Try the Window Chooser cmd-f2-f2 and see if you can
>>>>> bring
>>>>> focus to that area.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later...
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 7, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did a restart on VO and it was on an install button. So I took that
>>>>>> and now it says signing into th

Re: Rformatting my Mac

[Deb Lewis]

That's what I finally was able to do. but it was really a struggle.
Focus wouldn't readily go to the password field to download Mavrix,
somehow I wasn't seeing the window or the erase, and after all that I
managed to transpose some letters and numbers in my office password so
that I couldn't log back in after I had done the initial setup. That
last was pretty stupid and fortunately I did figure out what I'd done
but not before I'd looked up some nasty registry hacks for passwords
that I was about to try.
Anyway, I got it but none of it quite went as advertised.

Deb


On 5/7/14, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> You need to boot in to recovery, it won't let you erase the drive it's
> booted from, the best thing to do is to boot in to recovery using command+r,
> then use disk utility to erase the drive, and finally choose to reinstall
> your operating system. That will give the mac a fresh start.
> On May 7, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>> I'm returning my MacBook Air to myoffice and need to reformat it
>> first. I went into Disk Utility and selected Erase but everything is
>> greyed out even though I've selected the drive etc. I'm obviously
>> missing some steps, LOL. I know this should be doable with VO because
>> I think I've seen it happen before, but as I said, I'm obviously not
>> quite getting it right since no options are available.
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>> Deb
>>
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Re: Typing Command Names Instead of Using Command-B When assigning Braille commands in VO Utility?

[Deb Lewis]

This doesn't work. The only thing that works is to enter the keys on the 
display which will fill in the edit field.

On May 20, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, all,
> 
> While poking through the "assign commands" option in Braille settings in 
> mavericks, I discovered that the Braille command field is editable. I tried 
> to copy the syntax that was used for other Braille commands, but I don't know 
> how to terminate the text. Once I type in something like "Dot 1 + Dot 5 + 
> Spacebar", it sticks for a minute and then reverts to "unassigned". I was 
> going to try this method if it's possible, so that I could use the braille 
> display without having to press command-b. I don't want to make things 
> needlessly difficult, but I am curious about the possibilities of this 
> feature. Has anyone experimented with this?
> 
> thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
> 
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Pairing the Logitech 811

[Deb Lewis]

Good Morning:
I just got the Logitech 811 keyboard and want to pair it with my
stuff. I see where to plug in the cable for charging, where to turn on
the power and where to start the BT pairing. The one thing I can't
determine from the documentation or searching list archives is which
keys are used to select among the devices. The instructions say to
press one of the blinking keys to tell the keyboard which to assign to
the device. But I have no idea which keys except that they're probably
on the number row or function key row. If someone could advise would
be most appreciated. It's a beautiful keyboard.

Deb

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Re: Pairing the Logitech 811

[Deb Lewis]

Yeah this actually went better than I expected.  turned it on and it
paired with the first device. Then I turned it off and paired with the
second device. I hadn't seen your message yet, but was able to bash
around until I discovered how to switch between the two. Made it
easier because it was willing to pair even without my specifying which
number. I figured it had to be 1, 2, and 3 on one or other of the
rows. It's so cool and will solve a lot of problems. I love my apple
keyoard but don't love hat the batteries are alwasys running down.

On 5/22/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> F1 F2 and F3 are each pairable.  HTH.
>
>
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>
> On May 22, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>
>> Good Morning:
>> I just got the Logitech 811 keyboard and want to pair it with my
>> stuff. I see where to plug in the cable for charging, where to turn on
>> the power and where to start the BT pairing. The one thing I can't
>> determine from the documentation or searching list archives is which
>> keys are used to select among the devices. The instructions say to
>> press one of the blinking keys to tell the keyboard which to assign to
>> the device. But I have no idea which keys except that they're probably
>> on the number row or function key row. If someone could advise would
>> be most appreciated. It's a beautiful keyboard.
>>
>> Deb
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Re: capchas on osx?

[Deb Lewis]

I only set it up a few weeks ago, about the last time this discussion came up.
I had no problems setting it up, no problems using it, and I also don't want to 
discount anyone's problems, but there should be a way to get through this 
because you oat definitely can. Would be helpful to know what has gone wrong 
maybe.
I didn't do it for a long time because I was concerned about what they have 
access too, but someone pointed out that if your'e really concerned you should 
probably get off the net and live in a cave. So I went ahead, and it works 
great. I have it on my PC and the Mac.
And I'm sure what funds it are spammers. It's not for blind people. It's really 
for anyone who wants to solve CATCHA without much work. That's mostly spammers 
honestly. 
When I do need to solve one I don't have time to wait for hours while some 
friend gets around to looking at their email. Not to mention that the site will 
probably time out by then. 


On May 23, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> I have used this captcha solution with rumola for over year and have had no 
> problems. I also had no major problem setting it up and it has maintained the 
> setup through upgrades but since I did it that longgo maybe it is more 
> difficult now. I am not discounting the problems people have with it, but I 
> have been quite pleased with it.
> 
> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
> 
> 
> On May 23, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex.
>> 
>> I am happy that I am not alone with this problem. I can not get rumola set 
>> up correct, and now it has even stopped speaking.
>> 
>> It would be nice if we could use web visum and firefox on the mac, but 
>> firefox is slow and difficult to work with.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>> Den 23/05/2014 kl. 00.00 skrev Alex Hall :
>> 
>>> You get ten free solves before they want you to pay, and I am not sure how 
>>> they solve captchas. However, it is really difficult to set up, at least it 
>>> was for me, and the only tutorial on their website is, in a word, terrible. 
>>> I had it set up once, but lost it after I reformatted my computer. 
>>> Honestly, at this point, I just grab a sighted person or do a 
>>> screen-sharing/remote control session with someone to solve them.
>>> On May 22, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Doesn't that option cost?  And, if they use humans to solve captchas, 
 won't it suffer the same fate as Salona?
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On May 22, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
> Try Rumola at
> www.skipinput.com
> 
> 
> Christopher Hallsworth
> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
> www.hadley.edu
> 
> On 22/05/2014 20:43, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote:
>> Hello what is every one using to get around capchas on osx?
>> I have about had it with trying to use firefox with webvism on windows
>> and am wanting to know what every one is using on the macintosh platform?
>> 
> 
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>>> 
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>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: capchas on osx?

[Deb Lewis]

Yes, and you can also disable Rumola quite easily for the site you're on if 
you're concerned about something in particular. It solves then really fast 
usually. You could even disable it until you are needing it, but I don't do 
that.

On May 23, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Red.Falcon  
wrote:

> Hi!
> A suggestion that was made [A while ago] was if your worried about what 
> someone might see at the other end, and you've got the time and not in a rush!
> If you know or find out you need a capture solved before filling in any 
> personal stuff send the capture off to be solved and while your waiting [I do 
> not know how long it takes] you can start filling in your info!
> So the only stuff they see is the capture!
> HTH Colin
> 
> "The Avalanche has started!
> Its to late for the pebbles to vote!"
> [Kosh Babylon 5 2258]
> 
> On 24 May 2014, at 02:11, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
>> I only set it up a few weeks ago, about the last time this discussion came 
>> up.
>> I had no problems setting it up, no problems using it, and I also don't want 
>> to discount anyone's problems, but there should be a way to get through this 
>> because you oat definitely can. Would be helpful to know what has gone wrong 
>> maybe.
>> I didn't do it for a long time because I was concerned about what they have 
>> access too, but someone pointed out that if your'e really concerned you 
>> should probably get off the net and live in a cave. So I went ahead, and it 
>> works great. I have it on my PC and the Mac.
>> And I'm sure what funds it are spammers. It's not for blind people. It's 
>> really for anyone who wants to solve CATCHA without much work. That's mostly 
>> spammers honestly. 
>> When I do need to solve one I don't have time to wait for hours while some 
>> friend gets around to looking at their email. Not to mention that the site 
>> will probably time out by then. 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 23, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have used this capture solution with rumola for over year and have had no 
>>> problems. I also had no major problem setting it up and it has maintained 
>>> the setup through upgrades but since I did it that longgo maybe it is more 
>>> difficult now. I am not discounting the problems people have with it, but I 
>>> have been quite pleased with it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Cheryl 
>>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>>>> And now, every day:
>>>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>>>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>>> they are new every morning;
>>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 23, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Alex.
>>>> 
>>>> I am happy that I am not alone with this problem. I can not get rumola set 
>>>> up correct, and now it has even stopped speaking.
>>>> 
>>>> It would be nice if we could use web visum and firefox on the mac, but 
>>>> firefox is slow and difficult to work with.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards Annie.
>>>> Den 23/05/2014 kl. 00.00 skrev Alex Hall :
>>>> 
>>>>> You get ten free solves before they want you to pay, and I am not sure 
>>>>> how they solve captures. However, it is really difficult to set up, at 
>>>>> least it was for me, and the only tutorial on their website is, in a 
>>>>> word, terrible. I had it set up once, but lost it after I reformatted my 
>>>>> computer. Honestly, at this point, I just grab a sighted person or do a 
>>>>> screen-sharing/remote control session with someone to solve them.
>>>>> On May 22, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Doesn't that option cost?  And, if they use humans to solve captures, 
>>>>>> won't it suffer the same fate as Salona?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>>>> blind built-in!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>

Re: Typing On The IPhone's On-Screen Keyboard

[Deb Lewis]

When typing on the phone I take advantage of shortcuts and also autocorrect. 
For example, you never have to capitalize the first letter of a sentence or put 
in an apostrophe, the phone will do those things. I use a keyboard or my 
braille display for long typing or significant editing but I use the phone 
screen a surprising amount. if you keep practicing you'll get good speed and 
accuracy.


On May 25, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Desi Noller  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I was recently having a discussion with a friend about how to type on the 
> on-screen keyboard of the iPhone.  Personally, I don't particularly like to 
> use a special program for this like, for instance, mBraill or Fleksy.  I just 
> want to use the regular keyboard.  Dictation can be useful, but of course, 
> sometimes, it's just nice to be able to type something relatively privately.  
> I have built up some speed over the past 3 years, but I would like to get 
> faster.  I generally hold my phone in my left hand, and use my right index 
> finger to type, anchoring my thumb down where the connector is at the bottom 
> of the phone.  I'm interested to know how others who type using the regular 
> on-screen keyboard, enter your text.  I do happen to use Touch Typing mode, 
> but I would also be interested in what typing mode you use.  And, does anyone 
> else besides me just use the regular on-screen keyboard for their typing 
> needs?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Desi
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Re: Vario Ultra (wasRe: Mario Ultra braille display

[Deb Lewis]

Well I love my VarioUltra, but I have to say it has very major
problems which Baum doesn't seem to be resolving very quickly at all.
They've had significant difficulty shipping products at all and now
the current firmware version locks up and requires frequently
resetting the device. I know the product is new and new products have
growing pains, but I wouldn't consider ordering this device until
those of us who have it can report that it's stable. I hope it's very
soon because it has the potential to be a truly fabulous device. I've
been totally shocked by Baum's seemingly cluelessness because it's not
consistent with my previous experience. So definitely take a look at
it, but don't plan to invest until they do some serious work and until
they get production in order.

On 3/4/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Hmm, sorry, auto-correct got the better of me. :)  That should have been
> Vario Ultra.
> Donna
>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'll be heading out to CSUN tomorrow, and while there, thought I'd take a
>> look at the Vario Ultra.  Just wondered if anyone has used that display
>> with either the Mac or an iPhone?
>> thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Vario Ultra (wasRe: Mario Ultra braille display

[Deb Lewis]

You can read PDF on theBrailleEdge I think. I know you can on their
other products. I do love the VarioUltra but it is taking a very long
time to resolve its issues. Battery, no direct support from Apple yet
but there are work arounds, and the issue of freezing and losing your
work in the notetaker are but a few problems that stil are
outstanding. When these are fixed and apple finally supports it
properly I'll be able to highly recommendit. Even with the problems, I
do like it, but just to be aware that all's not well with the
VarioUltra just yet.

On 3/4/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Thanks for this, Doug, it's good to know.  One question, it wasn't clear
> from Baum's website whether the Vario connects as a display to the Mac and
> the iPhone, or just the iPhone.  Have you used it as a display with your
> Mac?
> Thanks,
> Donna
>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>
>> Well I love my VarioUltra, but I have to say it has very major
>> problems which Baum doesn't seem to be resolving very quickly at all.
>> They've had significant difficulty shipping products at all and now
>> the current firmware version locks up and requires frequently
>> resetting the device. I know the product is new and new products have
>> growing pains, but I wouldn't consider ordering this device until
>> those of us who have it can report that it's stable. I hope it's very
>> soon because it has the potential to be a truly fabulous device. I've
>> been totally shocked by Baum's seemingly cluelessness because it's not
>> consistent with my previous experience. So definitely take a look at
>> it, but don't plan to invest until they do some serious work and until
>> they get production in order.
>>
>> On 3/4/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> Hmm, sorry, auto-correct got the better of me. :)  That should have been
>>> Vario Ultra.
>>> Donna
>>>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'll be heading out to CSUN tomorrow, and while there, thought I'd take
>>>> a
>>>> look at the Vario Ultra.  Just wondered if anyone has used that display
>>>> with either the Mac or an iPhone?
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Donna
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Re: Vario Ultra (wasRe: Mario Ultra braille display

[Deb Lewis]

It's a display only so it won't be running anything.

On 3/4/15, Edward Green  wrote:
> Hi Donna,
>
> I wish the Smart Beetle from Hims had more cells as it has a similar number
> of connection possibilities.  That said, I'm not sure what that's going to
> be running either.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ed
>> On 4 Mar 2015, at 19:29, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> I agree, I was disappointed to see that.  As much as anything, I figured
>> that since I was going to be at CSUN anyway, I'd take a look.  However,
>> based on our current snowstorm, I may not be going anywhere after all. :(
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Edward Green  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I really liked the feel of the Vario Ultra, but on principle I refuse to
>>> buy something released in 2014 that is based on Windows C.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>> On 4 Mar 2015, at 16:37, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this, Doug, it's good to know.  One question, it wasn't clear
>>>> from Baum's website whether the Vario connects as a display to the Mac
>>>> and the iPhone, or just the iPhone.  Have you used it as a display with
>>>> your Mac?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I love my VarioUltra, but I have to say it has very major
>>>>> problems which Baum doesn't seem to be resolving very quickly at all.
>>>>> They've had significant difficulty shipping products at all and now
>>>>> the current firmware version locks up and requires frequently
>>>>> resetting the device. I know the product is new and new products have
>>>>> growing pains, but I wouldn't consider ordering this device until
>>>>> those of us who have it can report that it's stable. I hope it's very
>>>>> soon because it has the potential to be a truly fabulous device. I've
>>>>> been totally shocked by Baum's seemingly cluelessness because it's not
>>>>> consistent with my previous experience. So definitely take a look at
>>>>> it, but don't plan to invest until they do some serious work and until
>>>>> they get production in order.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/4/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>>> Hmm, sorry, auto-correct got the better of me. :)  That should have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> Vario Ultra.
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll be heading out to CSUN tomorrow, and while there, thought I'd
>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>> look at the Vario Ultra.  Just wondered if anyone has used that
>>>>>>> display
>>>>>>> with either the Mac or an iPhone?
>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>
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Re: Vario Ultra (wasRe: Mario Ultra braille display

[Deb Lewis]

Competition for the Focus 14. About that price range and a 14-cell
display with no other features except that it will pair with more than
one BT device like the VarioUltra. I understand the economics of
affording to purchase a display, but honestly I thought my RBD18 was
too few cells and the Beetle will have even less of them.

On 3/4/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Smart Beetle?  that's a new one on me.  What is it?
> Donna
>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Edward Green  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Donna,
>>
>> I wish the Smart Beetle from Hims had more cells as it has a similar
>> number of connection possibilities.  That said, I'm not sure what that's
>> going to be running either.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ed
>>> On 4 Mar 2015, at 19:29, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> I agree, I was disappointed to see that.  As much as anything, I figured
>>> that since I was going to be at CSUN anyway, I'd take a look.  However,
>>> based on our current snowstorm, I may not be going anywhere after all. :(
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Edward Green  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I really liked the feel of the Vario Ultra, but on principle I refuse to
>>>> buy something released in 2014 that is based on Windows C.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>> On 4 Mar 2015, at 16:37, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for this, Doug, it's good to know.  One question, it wasn't
>>>>> clear from Baum's website whether the Vario connects as a display to
>>>>> the Mac and the iPhone, or just the iPhone.  Have you used it as a
>>>>> display with your Mac?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I love my VarioUltra, but I have to say it has very major
>>>>>> problems which Baum doesn't seem to be resolving very quickly at all.
>>>>>> They've had significant difficulty shipping products at all and now
>>>>>> the current firmware version locks up and requires frequently
>>>>>> resetting the device. I know the product is new and new products have
>>>>>> growing pains, but I wouldn't consider ordering this device until
>>>>>> those of us who have it can report that it's stable. I hope it's very
>>>>>> soon because it has the potential to be a truly fabulous device. I've
>>>>>> been totally shocked by Baum's seemingly cluelessness because it's
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> consistent with my previous experience. So definitely take a look at
>>>>>> it, but don't plan to invest until they do some serious work and
>>>>>> until
>>>>>> they get production in order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/4/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>>>> Hmm, sorry, auto-correct got the better of me. :)  That should have
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> Vario Ultra.
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll be heading out to CSUN tomorrow, and while there, thought I'd
>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>> look at the Vario Ultra.  Just wondered if anyone has used that
>>>>>>>> display
>>>>>>>> with either the Mac or an iPhone?
>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>> Donna
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Re: How do I Access My Favorites in the New Radium Update for the Mac

[Deb Lewis]

There is an unlabeled button after the search box. This button toggles the 
table from being the search results to being your favorites table. 
Sometimes the button tool tip is read and sometimes it’s not. Nevertheless it 
does toggle the function of that table. 

> On Mar 7, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. Subject says it all. How do I access my favorites in the new Radium 
> update? When I go to the right of the search edit box, all I get is search 
> categories. Thanks.
> 
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Re: Bible App Project

[Deb Lewis]

I actually don’t want a narrated version at all. I prefer to read it myself. 
And i definitely am wanting modern versions, choices of them in fact. 

> On Apr 3, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone.
> 
> Due to past and recent posts on the subject, I’ve been recently inspired to 
> start a desktop bible project for the Mac.  I’ve even found a suitable data 
> set to use.  However, I happened to run across the sight of the company that 
> owns the rights to the Scourby narration and it appears that they all ready 
> have something in the works.  It is at http://scourby.com 
> .  It appears that they already have an IOS version that 
> is usable with Voiceover.  I personally own the CD set and I can say that 
> Scourby’s narration is amazing.
> 
> I would like to hear any feedback in regards to whether or not there is any 
> need for  pursuing such a project.  If their approach isn’t what people hear 
> are looking for etc.  If not, then what are people looking for in a Bible 
> app?  It certainly wouldn’t be practical for me to incorporate Scourby’s 
> narration into an app as they own the rights and even if I got permission, 
> they could revoke it any time they so choosed.
> Thanks.
> 
> 
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Pairing a Bluetooth display with the mac

[Deb Lewis]

Hello:
I usually use braille with UsB on the mac. Now I think I know why. I’m trying 
to pair my braille display but it’s not happening. 
The mac sees the display, I press the pair button and I’m told to enter the pin 
on the display. I enter it, I assume in computer braille but I’ve tried 
everything, and it always tells me it’s not successful. I’ve paired lots of 
other things with the mac and I’ve paired the display with the phone in the 
past so I understand the principal of it all. 
Any suggestions would be most welcome.

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Can't get to favorites in radium

[Deb Lewis]

Hi:
I know some were having problems with this but I did not until I did the most 
recent upgrade to my Mac this week. IN Radium, I see the station categories but 
I cannot get to my favorites list. I press the button but it moves me back to 
the top of the app rather than opening the table view. Has anyone found a way 
to get to favorites?
Thanks in advance.

deb

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Re: Can't get to favorites in radium

[Deb Lewis]

When i arrow back to the list after pressing the button and moveing  to the 
top, it’s absolutely showing the categories list. I’ve tried mousing it too. 
Nothing seems to be working. What am I missing?
This is just since the update last night.

> On Apr 11, 2015, at 8:43 AM, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
> 
> Pressing the button does move you to the top of the app, but it *should* 
> change the view such that you've got your favorites list rather than the 
> categories scroll area. 
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> 
>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> I know some were having problems with this but I did not until I did the 
>> most recent upgrade to my Mac this week. IN Radium, I see the station 
>> categories but I cannot get to my favorites list. I press the button but it 
>> moves me back to the top of the app rather than opening the table view. Has 
>> anyone found a way to get to favorites?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> deb
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Re: Can't get to favorites in radium

[Deb Lewis]

It says table not found. I got a sighted person to confirm that VO is not 
activating the button at all. this is just since the update. I’ve written to 
the developer. 
I loaded a station from the search field and the button became “back to 
favorites” but that button does not activate either. 

> On Apr 11, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi Deb,
> Try pressing the button, then quickly press VO command T to get to the table. 
> This should show the favourites table.
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
> U.S. number: 573-401-1018
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>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 11:45, Deb Lewis > <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> When i arrow back to the list after pressing the button and moveing  to the 
>> top, it’s absolutely showing the categories list. I’ve tried mousing it too. 
>> Nothing seems to be working. What am I missing?
>> This is just since the update last night.
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 8:43 AM, Buddy Brannan >> <mailto:bu...@brannan.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pressing the button does move you to the top of the app, but it *should* 
>>> change the view such that you've got your favorites list rather than the 
>>> categories scroll area. 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Deb Lewis >>> <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi:
>>>> I know some were having problems with this but I did not until I did the 
>>>> most recent upgrade to my Mac this week. IN Radium, I see the station 
>>>> categories but I cannot get to my favorites list. I press the button but 
>>>> it moves me back to the top of the app rather than opening the table view. 
>>>> Has anyone found a way to get to favorites?
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> 
>>>> deb
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Re: Pairing a Bluetooth display with the mac

[Deb Lewis]

I actually did get it to pair. I was most definitely using the VO
Uility, I've paired others. It turns out my display, Varioultra pairs
inan od way on the Mac as it does on the phone. Although I knew this
about the phone I wasn't aware that it also applied to the Mac. So in
fact you do pair it through the Mac utility rather than the VO utility
as I was logically tryng to do. So I was incorrect about what to do
but because theprocess was different, not because I was doing
something typically incompatible with VO. Once I knew what to do, it
took about 30 seconds.

On 4/11/15, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> Hi,  This sounds like the classic case of trying to pare the display using
> bluetooth preferences in stead of paring through the voiceover utility.
>
> Please let us know what display you are using and the steps you took to pare
> it and we will try to be more help.
>
> Best,
>
> Erik
>> On Apr 10, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>
>> Hello:
>> I usually use braille with UsB on the mac. Now I think I know why. I'm
>> trying to pair my braille display but it's not happening.
>> The mac sees the display, I press the pair button and I'm told to enter
>> the pin on the display. I enter it, I assume in computer braille but I've
>> tried everything, and it always tells me it's not successful. I've paired
>> lots of other things with the mac and I've paired the display with the
>> phone in the past so I understand the principal of it all.
>> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
>>
>> deb
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Re: Radium problem with favorites

[Deb Lewis]

Yeah I do wish Ootunes was on the Mac. Radium is the best way to do
Serious XM, but I agree with all of your other points. I used to just
use ITunes but with ITunes Radio it has become so much harder.

On 4/11/15, gs  wrote:
>   I didn't pay attention to the person having a problem accessing 
> favorites
> in Radium until I tested and determined that I am having the same problem.
> There appears to be no  way to access favorites with the latest update. With
> the prior update, One could press the unlabeled button when the categories
> were showing and it would switch to favorites.  Now, that appears not to
> work.
>
> I actually have not been as impressed as some others seem to be with Radium
> and its accessibility. I prefer to be able to access folders and save
> stations in a more accessible method than just having a list of favorites
> with no way to sort or categorize them.
>  I have lots of favorites and they don't tend to work too well in one list.
> I think I may go back to ooTunes minus the ability to sync between Mac and
> iPhone. Kind of breaks my heart but I need reliability. It seems that the
> most recent  updates to Radium have been inconsiderate of some of the more
> basic requirements of accessible apps. Also, it seems that many of the
> stations are not kept up to date and the links are bad. I'm quite
> unimpressed with Radium right now. I need something more functional.
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Re: Radium favorites update

[Deb Lewis]

I hven't gotten that to work. It say there's no table.

On 4/11/15, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> Hello,
> I was the person who suggested that. Radium is aware of this issue and said
> that they will work on a fix.
>
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
> U.S. number: 573-401-1018
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>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 18:02, gs  wrote:
>>
>> Well I thought I should let anyone interested know that whomever posted
>> with the advice to press the unlabeled button and then use VO Command T to
>> move to the table of favorites was on the right track.
>>
>> Although it kind of defies logic that this would work, it seems to do so.
>> I can't even find the table of favorites otherwise, but after pressing the
>> unlabeled button and being forced up to the top of the window then
>> pressing VO Command T seems to move one directly to the table of
>> favorites. I am unable to get to the table any other way but I hope it
>> reinforces the help for those who need it.
>>
>> I can't say that I am completely mollified but at least there is something
>> that seems to work.
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Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

[Deb Lewis]

Hi:
I’m noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a mail message 
it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by lines. Now it says 
message content area and reads the message all at once. I actually don’t like 
this behavior. It just started with this update this week. Anyway to restore 
the old behavior where the message just opened as text that you could arrow 
through?

Deb

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Re: VoiceOver and Word processors

[Deb Lewis]

My favorite full word processing app is Nisus Writer. Not free at all but very 
thorough. You should be able to o anything you need with it. It’s not in the 
App store so you’ll need to Google it. 

> On Apr 11, 2015, at 4:03 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Have tried text edit. But found it a little too simple for my needs. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> 
> Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 
> 
> Assistive technology blog: 
> 
> SadamAhmed.com  
> 
> LinkedIn profile: 
> 
> linkedin.com/profile/view?id=203 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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> 
> On 10 Apr 2015, at 5:45 am, Dionipher Presas Herrera  > wrote:
> 
>> did you try text edit?
>>> On 09 Apr 2015, at 2:23 pm, sadam Ahmed >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, 
>>> 
>>> I’m a fairly new member to the group so apologies if this question has 
>>> already been answered. 
>>> 
>>> I routinely need to compose somewhat complex  documents and was looking for 
>>> a word processor that will allow me to insert headings and other foot 
>>> notes. 
>>> 
>>> I’ve played around with the current implementation of Pages but quickly got 
>>> frustrated. 
>>> 
>>> For now using Itext Express. 
>>> 
>>> Any help would be appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in and advance. 
>>> 
>>> Kind regards, 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Assistive technology Blog: 
>>> 
>>> SadamAhmed.com  
>>> 
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Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

[Deb Lewis]

Yes I have noticed that opening the message over and over seems to eventually 
get it but of course that’s tedious. i’ll write Accessibility.

> On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:29 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Yes, this is a 10.10.3 issue I strongly recommend you email to Apple 
> Accessibility. In the meantime, I find that closing and opening the message 2 
> or 3 times will fix it. There's a chance that toggling "load remote content" 
> in Mail's preferences will help, but I can't be sure of that yet.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 22:18, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> I’m noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a mail 
>> message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by lines. Now 
>> it says message content area and reads the message all at once. I actually 
>> don’t like this behavior. It just started with this update this week. Anyway 
>> to restore the old behavior where the message just opened as text that you 
>> could arrow through?
>> 
>> Deb
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Keys sticking

[Deb Lewis]

Hi:
My Macbook Pro has a few sticky keys. I suspect something may have slightly 
spilled in it because it’s only on the left side and not all keys. I found some 
YouTube videos on how to take the keys apart and clean them but they weren’t 
very descriptive. what i did get is that it’s quite doable. Has anyone done 
this and is there any advice on doing it most accessibly? I don’t want to make 
things worse and I can take it to the Apple store if that’s best but i’m pretty 
handy with assembly and disassembly so I’d be willing to try if it’s reasonable 
doable. They’re all still working, just some are quite stiff.

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Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

[Deb Lewis]

Yes, interacting has not been effective at all. 
> On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Even if I interact, though, I have to use vo-arrows, I can't just arrow. 
> Worse, if a message has multiple links and I use vo-cmd-l to move through 
> them. VoiceOver gets stuck on the first one. It might even say the second or 
> third as I move, but it is actually stuck on the first no matter what.
>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Matthew Dyer > <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hui,
>> 
>> I also  notest this.  I just interact and all is well.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/11/2015 10:18 PM, Deb Lewis wrote:
>>> Hi:
>>> I’m noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a mail 
>>> message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by lines. Now 
>>> it says message content area and reads the message all at once. I actually 
>>> don’t like this behavior. It just started with this update this week. 
>>> Anyway to restore the old behavior where the message just opened as text 
>>> that you could arrow through?
>>> 
>>> Deb
>>> 
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Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

[Deb Lewis]

Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for
me it hasn't.

On 4/13/15, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> I use the voiceover j command to read mails and that works fine.
> /A
>> 12 apr 2015 kl. 04:51 skrev Deb Lewis :
>>
>> Yes, interacting has not been effective at all.
>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Alex Hall >> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Even if I interact, though, I have to use vo-arrows, I can't just arrow.
>>> Worse, if a message has multiple links and I use vo-cmd-l to move through
>>> them. VoiceOver gets stuck on the first one. It might even say the second
>>> or third as I move, but it is actually stuck on the first no matter
>>> what.
>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Matthew Dyer
>>>> >>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hui,
>>>>
>>>> I also  notest this.  I just interact and all is well.
>>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/11/2015 10:18 PM, Deb Lewis wrote:
>>>>> Hi:
>>>>> I'm noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a mail
>>>>> message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by lines.
>>>>> Now it says message content area and reads the message all at once. I
>>>>> actually don't like this behavior. It just started with this update
>>>>> this week. Anyway to restore the old behavior where the message just
>>>>> opened as text that you could arrow through?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deb
>>>>>
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Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

[Deb Lewis]

When I do VO-J I can't read line by line. It says text but then it's
still only readable as an entire message. Do you have to be using
quick nav for this to work?


On 4/13/15, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I believe what is happening here is primarily related to iMap mail accounts
> not loading messages as fast as they should.  I have three main accounts
> along with a few seldom used others.  Of the three main accounts, one is an
> iCloud iMap, one a POP, and one a Google Apps gMail iMap account.  In
> testing, if I press return on a message in either of the iMap accounts,
> sometimes the message does not load up as quick as it used to.  Closing it
> then pressing return a second time brings it up faster and the arrow line by
> line then works.  In my one POP account, I do the same and the message is
> readable line by line right away first time.  As mentioned by a few previous
> posters, interacting with the message area will consequently allow for the
> arrow line by line navigation.  I really hadn't noticed this problem myself
> as I normally just press return on the message then let VO read it to me and
> close it when I've heard enough or just move on to the next one in the
> conversation.  So, both the VO-j method and mine would not have noticed this
> issue specifically, even though it does exist.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:10, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>
> Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for
> me it hasn't.
>
> On 4/13/15, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I use the voiceover j command to read mails and that works fine.
>> /A
>>> 12 apr 2015 kl. 04:51 skrev Deb Lewis :
>>>
>>> Yes, interacting has not been effective at all.
>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Alex Hall >>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Even if I interact, though, I have to use vo-arrows, I can't just
>>>> arrow.
>>>> Worse, if a message has multiple links and I use vo-cmd-l to move
>>>> through
>>>> them. VoiceOver gets stuck on the first one. It might even say the
>>>> second
>>>> or third as I move, but it is actually stuck on the first no matter
>>>> what.
>>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Matthew Dyer
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hui,
>>>>>
>>>>> I also  notest this.  I just interact and all is well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/11/2015 10:18 PM, Deb Lewis wrote:
>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>> I'm noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a mail
>>>>>> message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by
>>>>>> lines.
>>>>>> Now it says message content area and reads the message all at once. I
>>>>>> actually don't like this behavior. It just started with this update
>>>>>> this week. Anyway to restore the old behavior where the message just
>>>>>> opened as text that you could arrow through?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deb
>>>>>>
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Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

[Deb Lewis]

I don' thave the preview payne open so that would explain it. VO-J
does read the window but in the same way that reading it from the
scroll view does.

On 4/13/15, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> No, QuickNav should not be part of the picture.  The VO-j method, of course,
> is only usable when the Preview Pane is active.  As long as the VO-j action
> automatically interacts with the Message Content area, it should still work
> for you.  Should is my favourite word in computer-land though.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:52, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>
> When I do VO-J I can't read line by line. It says text but then it's
> still only readable as an entire message. Do you have to be using
> quick nav for this to work?
>
>
> On 4/13/15, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I believe what is happening here is primarily related to iMap mail
>> accounts
>> not loading messages as fast as they should.  I have three main accounts
>> along with a few seldom used others.  Of the three main accounts, one is
>> an
>> iCloud iMap, one a POP, and one a Google Apps gMail iMap account.  In
>> testing, if I press return on a message in either of the iMap accounts,
>> sometimes the message does not load up as quick as it used to.  Closing
>> it
>> then pressing return a second time brings it up faster and the arrow line
>> by
>> line then works.  In my one POP account, I do the same and the message is
>> readable line by line right away first time.  As mentioned by a few
>> previous
>> posters, interacting with the message area will consequently allow for
>> the
>> arrow line by line navigation.  I really hadn't noticed this problem
>> myself
>> as I normally just press return on the message then let VO read it to me
>> and
>> close it when I've heard enough or just move on to the next one in the
>> conversation.  So, both the VO-j method and mine would not have noticed
>> this
>> issue specifically, even though it does exist.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:10, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>
>> Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for
>> me it hasn't.
>>
>> On 4/13/15, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> I use the voiceover j command to read mails and that works fine.
>>> /A
>>>> 12 apr 2015 kl. 04:51 skrev Deb Lewis :
>>>>
>>>> Yes, interacting has not been effective at all.
>>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Alex Hall >>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if I interact, though, I have to use vo-arrows, I can't just
>>>>> arrow.
>>>>> Worse, if a message has multiple links and I use vo-cmd-l to move
>>>>> through
>>>>> them. VoiceOver gets stuck on the first one. It might even say the
>>>>> second
>>>>> or third as I move, but it is actually stuck on the first no matter
>>>>> what.
>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Matthew Dyer
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hui,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also  notest this.  I just interact and all is well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/11/2015 10:18 PM, Deb Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>> I'm noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a
>>>>>>> mail
>>>>>>> message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by
>>>>>>> lines.
>>>>>>> Now it says message content area and reads the message all at once.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> actually don't like this behavior. It just started with this update
>>>>>>> this week. Anyway to restore the old behavior where the message just
>>>>>>> opened as text that you could arrow through?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deb
>>>>>>>
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Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate

[Deb Lewis]

Enter does the same as Command-O, yes. And has the same problem of the
message not reading unless I do it several times. But it's faster
sometimes, yeah.


On 4/13/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
> And, hince exactly why I don't use the vo+J method.  I never have, and
> unless forced to do so due to accessibility reasoning, I won't.  Plain and
> simple.  Don't forget that pressing return on a message will open it in a
> new window.  Deb, I know you obviously know this, or you wouldn't have
> posted this message saying you don't use the vo+J method, but I'm simply
> just, like you, reminding people who may not know that hitting return is
> definitely another option.  Then, when done, just hit command+W to close the
>
> message window and return to your message list.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Deb Lewis" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Annoying mac Mail Issue since Last UPdate
>
>
>> Voiceover J does not allow you to read line by line. At least not for
>> me it hasn't.
>>
>> On 4/13/15, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> I use the voiceover j command to read mails and that works fine.
>>> /A
>>>> 12 apr 2015 kl. 04:51 skrev Deb Lewis :
>>>>
>>>> Yes, interacting has not been effective at all.
>>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Alex Hall >>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if I interact, though, I have to use vo-arrows, I can't just
>>>>> arrow.
>>>>> Worse, if a message has multiple links and I use vo-cmd-l to move
>>>>> through
>>>>> them. VoiceOver gets stuck on the first one. It might even say the
>>>>> second
>>>>> or third as I move, but it is actually stuck on the first no matter
>>>>> what.
>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Matthew Dyer
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hui,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also  notest this.  I just interact and all is well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/11/2015 10:18 PM, Deb Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>> I'm noticing since updating the Mac this week that when I open a
>>>>>>> mail
>>>>>>> message it no longer is possible to arrow through the message by
>>>>>>> lines.
>>>>>>> Now it says message content area and reads the message all at once.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> actually don't like this behavior. It just started with this update
>>>>>>> this week. Anyway to restore the old behavior where the message just
>>>>>>> opened as text that you could arrow through?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deb
>>>>>>>
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Re: How To Make Your Mac Chime When You Plug It In

[Deb Lewis]

For clarification does the syntax include the Greater than and less
than symbols that are shown? I know sometimes symbolsare there to set
it off but not part of the syntax so asking before I jump into this.

On 4/16/15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> Matt, remember that you need to be running 10.10.3. You also need to have
> the syntax precisely right, including the ampersand at the end, the
> semicolon, the capitalization, and so on. It may well not work on older
> machines, I'm not sure; I have a 2012 Air and it worked as expected, but I
> have no older Macs to test with.
>> On Apr 16, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>
>> I just did it on my 2013 Macbook Air and it works. It's pretty handy
>> actually.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 17/04/2015, at 10:52 am, Matthew Dierckens >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder if this only works on newer machines? When I did this command,
>>> it said, command not found.
>>>
>>> God bless.
>>> Matthew Dierckens
>>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>>> Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
>>> U.S. number: 573-401-1018
>>> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
 On Apr 16, 2015, at 17:33, Alex Hall >>> > wrote:

 Hi all,
 I saw this today and thought it was pretty cool. I tried it, and it
 worked; my Mac now plays the familiar chime we all know and love from
 iOS when it gets plugged in. In other words, my phone and Mac now play
 the same sound when I hook them to power. No, it's not necessary, but I
 really like it and it's just one command I could undo if I ever wanted
 to. Here's how to do this (remember, you need OS X 10.10.3 or newer):
 http://www.cultofmac.com/319331/how-to-hack-the-new-macbook-power-chime-onto-the-macbook-air-pro/
 

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Re: my first night with the Apple watch - what NOT to do!

[Deb Lewis]

You need to keep raise to activate on for some features to work. But you can 
turn off start VO when raised and that will stop the time. I don’t want to hear 
the time every time I move my arm that’s for sure.

> On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:58 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> So I got the watch set up last night shortly before going to bed.  I wanted 
> it to track sleep, so wore it to bed.  Well, unfortunately, Raise to Activate 
> was set to on.  This meant that every time I moved my arm, the watch gave a 
> little chirp and told me what time it was.  Let's just say I've definitely 
> gotten more sleep than I die last night.  My suggestion would be to turn off 
> Raise to Activate. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: my first night with the Apple watch - what NOT to do!

[Deb Lewis]

I was messing with the Glances and now when I go to next glance, if
it's the last glance, the watch hangs up and I can't go backward
through the glances. Not sure what I've done to cause this or what is
going on visually.
I agree about removing a lot of the glances. Using the apps works
better with VO in many cases and faster to achieve. I'm also thinking
I generally like standard notifications better on the phone and so may
remove some of them from the watch.


On 4/26/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Lol!  You just got my day off on a laughing start.  I did remove a couple of
> the watch faces, but not all of them.  Interesting what you write about the
> modular face.  After playing around it's the one I came back to using, and I
> thought that in one configuration I did have both calendar and phases of the
> moon.  If I have time today I'll try and recreate that, but you might want
> to give it another shot.
>
> One of the things i want to do today is figure out what glances I have
> selected.  I know I have at least one or two that don't seem to do much, so
> I'll probably be removing them, too.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> I agree about Skype, very cool!
>> On Apr 26, 2015, at 1:06 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I did play around with the watch faces (in fact, I crashed the Clock app
>> entirely by removing them all, which was a good laugh) but I'm still a bit
>> unhappy with the number of components that aren't accessible.  Hopefully
>> it will get better, but right now, the Solar and Astronomy faces which
>> provide very accessible information aren't matched by equivalent
>> information from the views in the "Modular" face.  So I can't get a
>> display of my calendar and also the phase of the moon on the same face,
>> which I'd really have liked.
>>
>> I also ended up removing several glances because they weren't worth the
>> fiddling around when just opening the app from the switcher was easier.
>>
>> It's the little things.  I'm sure it'll get better but right now I think
>> there's something of a curve.  People getting into this should be able to
>> withstand this kind of uncertainty.
>>
>> But it's still very good.  I'm very pleased with it, and feel that Apple
>> deserve praise for giving so very generously.  It's wonderful.
>>
>> Hey!  Skype just got watchified.  Great stuff!
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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

[Deb Lewis]

Well one problem I'm noticing with the Watch and Braiolle is that now
none of my notifications are coming to the phone. They all come to the
watch, but since there's no Braille support for the Watch they'd be
lost altogether if I couldn't use the speech. I lov ete haptic
feedback that I have a notification, but it's a little harder to get
to them on the phone now.

On 4/27/15, Scott Davert  wrote:
> Hello Myrna and Kawal.
> No, the watch itself does not have braille support, but you can
> control most, if not all, aspects of the watch through the iPhone app.
> Myrna: I think the store on west 14th is my favorite in Manhatton,
> followed by the one up by Central park. I was a bit underwhelmed at
> the store in Grand Central.
>
> Scott
>
> On 4/23/15, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> Sorry, could you just clarify for me: were the watches you tried the
>> sport
>> models or the stainless steel models?  I've read lots of accounts of
>> Apple
>> stores carrying different sizes of watch, but not of the same type, and
>> I'd
>> be interested to know why people are opting for the steel model over the
>> Sport if they are doing so, or whether their impression is true for both
>> types.  The steel model seems to be reported as very chunky, and I'm
>> wondering if the Sport improves on that.
>>
>> The watches arriving tomorrow are both the Sport because I'm in trial
>> mode
>> with these things.  The wisdom of going to the Store to actually see them
>> before ordering them is nothing to getting them tomorrow, and I can see
>> all
>> the others whenever my store next carries them. :)
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Re: my first night with the Apple watch - what NOT to do!

[Deb Lewis]

I've found theglances to be kind of worthless becaue hty take longer
to open up than apps. I know a sighted person ould like flicking
through them but I don't see much advantage for most of them.

On 4/27/15, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> Widgets, in the Apple universe. Summary information about stuff, displayed
> in a convenient way for flicking through.
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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

[Deb Lewis]

The Apple Watch works with Map now so there's no reason it couldn't
work with oter GPs apps. It has different taps for left and right
turns.

On 4/28/15, Joe Quinn  wrote:
> No, 5 or later
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 28, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Krysti .Power 
>> wrote:
>>
>> will the Apple Watch work with the iPhone 4S
>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Lisette Wesseling
>>>  wrote:
>>> Donna,
>>> What size did you get? I don't know what size wrist/hands you have, but
>>> what did you think of each of the sizes?
>>> I'd love to see one, but no chance of that here in New Zealand for
>>> goodness knows how long. We don't have actual Apple stores here so we
>>> don't know which Apple re-sellers will be selling it here.
>>>
>>> I'm on the fence about buying one. I don't really like talking watches so
>>> probably it wouldn't be a good buy for me. I'm still curious though.
>>> Definitely something I want to feel before I buy it.
>>>
>>> Lisette
>>>
>>> > On 19/04/2015, at 8:22 am, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to
>>> > take a look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not
>>> > sure what I would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was
>>> > hard to tell much because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I
>>> > liked the form factor, and thought the stuff I was hearing from the
>>> > video demo was pretty cool.  Since I have fourteen days to return it if
>>> > I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and pre-order one.  I just got
>>> > the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's highly likely that
>>> > I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, so didn't see
>>> > the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  Looking forward to its
>>> > arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Donna
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Re: alarm not sounding at end of work-out on apple Watch

[Deb Lewis]

I haven't done that yet. I'll try it though and report back.

On 4/29/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> when I do my work-out, I set a time as my goal.  I'm noticing that when the
> time is up, there is no alarm.  Have either of you with Apple Watches done
> this?  and if so, are you getting an alarm?
> thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Tunin Radio Pro.

[Deb Lewis]

I can make TneIn onmy watch play the app on my phone but it only plays
the things in your favorites. I actualy hate that app so think I'll
take it off my watch, but it is working. Los of unlabeled buttons
though.

On 5/3/15, The Believer  wrote:
> Why don't you provide an unbiased comparison of Tunein Radio and
> ooTunes? Since there is no free version of ooTunes, that would be much
> more helpful than asking "Why do you think I use Ootunes?" which some of
> us cannot answer because we do not live insude your head. (smiles)
>
>  From The Believer. . .
> By way of the Chariots of the
> Gods cameth the Aliens who
> dwelt amongst the humans,
> and bringeth much knowledge.
>
> On 5/3/2015 2:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Why do you think I use Ootunes?
>>
>> I use Tunein Radio Pro on my Android device, but that's only because
>> I've not found a better sollution on that platform.  But that's off
>> topic for this list, so I won't go there.  But yeah, on the I O S side a
>> things, I won't let it come 10 feet from my phone, nor IPad.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> To: "Macvisionaries" 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 5:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: Tunin Radio Pro.
>>
>>
>> I have Tunin Radio Pro on my I phone 6plus and at the time I bought it
>> when I had my I phone 4.  Well, I paid £2.99 and do not pay a monthly
>> fee.  So why should anyone pay a monthly fee for it now?  If I had to,
>> I'd get rid of it without question.
>>
>> Kawal.
>> On 3 May 2015, at 21:55, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>
>> No. Tunein Radio Premium is a subscription service within the free
>> Tunein Radio app. It's $10/month but you can get a 15 day free trial of
>> it.
>>
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 3, 2015, at 12:40 PM, The Believer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Are you referring to TuneIn Radio Pro? The Pro version is not an in
>>> app purchase but is a separate app.
>>>
>>> From The Believer. . .
>>>  By way of the Chariots of the
>>> Gods cameth the Aliens who
>>> dwelt amongst the humans,
>>> and bringeth much knowledge.
>>>
>>> On 5/2/2015 11:20 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
 Apparently, Tunein Radio Premium lets you do things like listen to
 commercial free music and lets you listen to sporting events that may
 be blocked by the stations who are carrying them. That's what I got
 from listening to the ad anyway.

 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook



> On May 2, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Jessica Moss 
> wrote:
>
> What's the difference between the free/premium versions?  One thing
> i find weird, is that when it comes to our local stations here, I
> can browse through them with the app, and it doesn't pick up one of
> our local gospel stations here in the area that I know exists,
> because I did a google search for it, found their web site, and they
> do in fact streem, because I found a link to listen to them on line,
> and they have an app for I think, their station itself, but I
> haven't checked into what their app actually does.
> On May 1, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Shawn Krasniuk 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kawal. I thought they stopped supporting Tunein Radio Pro
>> because I can't find it in the app store anymore. I can find the
>> free Tunein Radio app but that's it. I thought they stopped
>> supporting the pro version because they have this thing called
>> Tunein Radio Premium which is an in-app subscription service but I
>> could be wrong.
>>
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 1, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I forgot to say one thing, Tunin Radio Pro isn't working on my I
>>> phone when I open it on my watch like Radio Player is.  All the
>>> buttons are not labelled on the Tunin Radio Watch App.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
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Re: more on lack of sound and haptic feedback after workout on apple Watch

[Deb Lewis]

I the meantime, I know the timer app gives feedback at least at the
end of the time. Maybe yu could set a timer in addition to using th
eworkout app. I've not traied htat strategy yt.

On 5/1/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Yay!  thanks!  Hopefully they'll get that fixed.  I have to say it's a
> little unnerving to be balancing atop an elliptical machine, swiping around
> on my watch trying to figure out how much time has passed. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 1, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> I have sent the feedback you have requested for us to do as I'm going to
>> do my first work out with it tomorrow.
>> On 1 May 2015, at 21:48, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just wanted to send an update and ask for some action among those of you
>> interested in this issue.
>>
>> First, my original contact never did follow up with me, so George, thanks
>> for posting the Apple Care number.
>>
>> I was fortunate this afternoon to connect with someone at apple Care who
>> is also on the accessibility team.  He was very nice and very helpful,
>> though he was ultimately unable to resolve the issue.  He said that
>> currently the watch does not provide sound or haptic feedback at the end
>> of a workout.  He has suggested that anyone who would like to see this
>> feature, whether or not you currently own an Apple watch, please send
>> comments requesting that feature to http://www.apple.com/feedback.  So, if
>> having some sort of haptic or sound alert to indicate the end of a timed
>> workout is something you would want to see in the Apple Watch, I hope you
>> will take the time to submit feedback.  He said, as we all know, that the
>> more feedback received on a given software issue, the higher a priority it
>> is given.
>> Best,
>> Donna
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Re: vario ultra

[Deb Lewis]

I have mine connected to two Iphones, an Ipad and a Mac. i've had it
connected to the Windows machine but it has not been as satisfactory
an experience because of the problems I've mentioned before with the
JAWS driver. But I'm very pleased with all my apple connections.

On 5/5/15, Scott Davert  wrote:
> Hi Gene.
> I'm sure others on the list may find the answers helpful. I have not
> connected mine to my Mac yet, but have been using it with my iPhone
> for the past couple of months. What questions did you have? You may
> also find my review at:
> http://www.applevis.com/reviews/braille-devices/varioultra-20-great-start-baum
>
> Scott
>
> On 5/4/15, Jean  wrote:
>> Hello All:
>> Some time ago there was a discussion on this list about the Vario Ultra
>> and
>> how it works with Mac and I-phone.  There were a couple of people who are
>> using this machine and I would like to be in touch with them off list as
>> I
>> have some questions.
>>
>> If you could please contact me at:
>> radiofore...@gmail.com 
>> I would be very appreciative.
>>
>> Jean
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Re: E-sword bible program

[Deb Lewis]

We had this discussion somewhere a few weeks ago and think we all came
to agreement that there is currently no accessible Bible program for
the Mac. Most of us go to the Bible Gateway site in safari. Obviously
that doesn't offer some of the benefits of having a full featured app,
but no options right now.

On 5/5/15, Terrence Sanders  wrote:
> Hello group,
>
> After reading your posts for a couple of years I finally bought a
> macbook pro.  I am definitely learning a lot.  Now, I need a Bible
> program for it.  I read that the E-sword works for iPhone.  But, before
> paying for it, I need to know does it work with the mac? Thanks for any
> help.  If not this program, then what Bible program will work on the mac?
>
> Terry Sanders
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Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[Deb Lewis]

I’ve noticed that it doesn’t offer the updates but if you go to update, you’ll 
get it if it’s there and it will download the updater if needed.
I just check about once a week since it’s not too reliable about offering them.

> On May 17, 2015, at 5:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Is the auto updater a separate download? I haven’t gotten a notification 
> about an update here so i suspect i don’t have the update.
> /Krister
> 
>> 17 maj 2015 kl. 14:20 skrev denise avant :
>> 
>> hello all,
>> How can one get a copy of office 2016 for the MAC?
>> For example is it part of office 365?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2015, at 3:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sean,
>>> 
>>> Perfect!  Thank you so much for letting us know.  Do you see any more 
>>> improvements, off hand?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:58 AM
>>> Subject: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out
>>> 
>>> 
 All,
 
 A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
 update if you have already downloaded it before.
 
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Re: How do I turn off crown navigation on the Apple Watch?

[Deb Lewis]

Two finger trippple tap. I love crown navigation though. It takes a
little work to learn to scroll, but once you do it's a much easier way
of getting through long screens like the apps.

On 6/2/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Somehow I got this feature turned on, and it has proven highly annoying.
> I've googled how to turn it off, but all I find are podcasts, and I don't
> have the time to listen to someone chatter for a half hour.  Does anyone
> know how to turn this off?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: How do I turn off crown navigation on the Apple Watch?

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The watch is not like the Iphone screen. It does not scroll in all
four directions. It actually scrolls in and out toward the center. So
you're correct that you're only moving in one of two directions. It is
not right or left though, it is actually in and out. It is cone shaped
with the clock in the center.

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> Hi Doug,
>
> Thanks.  The problem I have with it is that I can only get it to move
> vertically.  If I need to scroll right or left, it doesn't seem to do that.
> Am I correct, or am I missing something?
> Thanks,
> Donna
>> On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>
>> Two finger trippple tap. I love crown navigation though. It takes a
>> little work to learn to scroll, but once you do it's a much easier way
>> of getting through long screens like the apps.
>>
>> On 6/2/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Somehow I got this feature turned on, and it has proven highly annoying.
>>> I've googled how to turn it off, but all I find are podcasts, and I
>>> don't
>>> have the time to listen to someone chatter for a half hour.  Does anyone
>>> know how to turn this off?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: How do I turn off crown navigation on the Apple Watch?

[Deb Lewis]

Setting the time or calories for the workout app are  pickers on the
watch itself. You don't do that with the crown.

On 6/2/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> OK, so try this.  Go into Work-out.  Try setting a time goal for your
> work-out.  When I turn the crown, it moves up and down through the
> page--i.e. moves from the back button to setting the time to the start
> button--, but will not let me set the time.  The only way I can do that is
> by swiping, which is *incredibly slow.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 2, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>
>> The watch is not like the Iphone screen. It does not scroll in all
>> four directions. It actually scrolls in and out toward the center. So
>> you're correct that you're only moving in one of two directions. It is
>> not right or left though, it is actually in and out. It is cone shaped
>> with the clock in the center.
>>
>> On 6/2/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> Hi Doug,
>>>
>>> Thanks.  The problem I have with it is that I can only get it to move
>>> vertically.  If I need to scroll right or left, it doesn't seem to do
>>> that.
>>> Am I correct, or am I missing something?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Two finger trippple tap. I love crown navigation though. It takes a
>>>> little work to learn to scroll, but once you do it's a much easier way
>>>> of getting through long screens like the apps.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Somehow I got this feature turned on, and it has proven highly
>>>>> annoying.
>>>>> I've googled how to turn it off, but all I find are podcasts, and I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> have the time to listen to someone chatter for a half hour.  Does
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> know how to turn this off?
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Donna
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Re: Anyone participated in a Doodle poll on the Mac?

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There are two ways a Doodle pole can be created. One of them is not
accessible. They need to create it as what I think is called the basic
Pole for it to be accessible. Then you should be able to make your
selections using just the space bar.

On 6/23/15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I had to participate in a doodle poll this morning, and I found out from the
> person who posted it that my selection didn't take.  I'm wondering if it's
> an accessibility issue, or if i did something wrong (I made my selection
> using VO-Space, am wondering if I should have just pressed Enter..)  If
> anyone knows how accessible Doodle is on the Mac, I'd love to know, and also
> know how you go about making your selection.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Haptic feedback failing

[Deb Lewis]

I had millions of problems with my watch. Some reported and some not.
But they were all fixed by doing a restore on the phone from my Icloud
backup and completely resetting the watch to factory defaults. I was
sad to lose my data but the performance improvements have been
remarkable. It didn't take long to do either one but I hope I don't
have to do it again. Everything just hums or haptics along though now.

On 6/29/15, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> Thanks for the thought on the haptic feedback. Mine has gone on and off
> periodically and today after reading your messages, I tried setting an alarm
> both with Siri and manually. Both of course featured a perfect haptic
> feedback along with the alarm sound. This is sort of how my Watch is
> behaving now, little things stop then start again. No giant deal really
>
> Yes, turning it off and on again does seem to help and pairing it again
> every now and then does too.
>
> Oh, first gen products. I do wonder how on earth I lived without it though.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
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Re: Haptic feedback failing

[Deb Lewis]

I have everything set up with the keychain. So it only took about a
half hour and I didn't lose one scrap of data except some books which
I forgot to back up. But they took another ten minutes to get back and
all is really much better. I love my phone and I love my watch with it
but I was beginning to not love the watch so much until I did this. I
fussed about it for a week, so that's why I'm bringing it up. Was
truly worth it.

On 6/29/15, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> Oh that’s the thing I’m avoiding doing, a full reset of both devices.
> *grin*
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On Jun 29, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>
>> I had millions of problems with my watch. Some reported and some not.
>> But they were all fixed by doing a restore on the phone from my Icloud
>> backup and completely resetting the watch to factory defaults. I was
>> sad to lose my data but the performance improvements have been
>> remarkable. It didn't take long to do either one but I hope I don't
>> have to do it again. Everything just hums or haptics along though now.
>>
>> On 6/29/15, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> Thanks for the thought on the haptic feedback. Mine has gone on and off
>>> periodically and today after reading your messages, I tried setting an
>>> alarm
>>> both with Siri and manually. Both of course featured a perfect haptic
>>> feedback along with the alarm sound. This is sort of how my Watch is
>>> behaving now, little things stop then start again. No giant deal really
>>>
>>> Yes, turning it off and on again does seem to help and pairing it again
>>> every now and then does too.
>>>
>>> Oh, first gen products. I do wonder how on earth I lived without it
>>> though.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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Mail Attachments on the mac

[Deb Lewis]

Hi:
I’ve fixed this before and can’t remember how.
I have messages with attachments but none of the attachments are showing up. I 
know before I created some kind of really odd rule to solve this, but I can’t 
remember what I did. I’d really appreciate any help because right now I know 
messages have attachments, but I absolutely can’t open them.
Thanks so much.

deb

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Mail Attachments on the mac

[Deb Lewis]

Hi:
I’ve fixed this before and can’t remember how.
I have messages with attachments but none of the attachments are showing up. I 
know before I created some kind of really odd rule to solve this, but I can’t 
remember what I did. I’d really appreciate any help because right now I know 
messages have attachments, but I absolutely can’t open them.
Thanks so much.

deb

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Re: glances on the watch

[Deb Lewis]

I have used the digital crown but I don't like it as well as flicking
directly on the watch.

On 7/19/15, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’m wondering if anyone has really ever got to use the digital crown on the
> watch. I would really like it to be used for glances, instead of swiping
> like an idiot on the phone. Surprised this feature, which seems so intuitive
> and matter of factly on something like a watch has not been adopted.
>
> Cheers,
>
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