Re: itunes 11 is out

[Donna Goodin]

I think you're right. lol.  Though in many ways I like the new interface.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> No problem. I'm starting to think that extra time apple took to 'make
> everything right' didn't' pay off.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> Yeah, thanks.  Will do.
> Thanks for trying to help troubleshoot.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> That's really weird, because I don't have that problem. Write to 
>> accessibil...@apple.com, and explain your exact configuration.
>> What model mac you have, OS version, etc.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:49 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> OK, so I navigate over to Albums and do VO-Space.  then I arrow over 
>> to the list of albums, and VO-arrow down to the one I want.  I press 
>> VO-Space, and VO says "Album Details.  I interact with that, and VO 
>> over to where it says Album tracks. I interact again.  There's 
>> obviously a grid there, but all I hear is "Blank, Text".
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Can you give me step-by-step directions on how to reproduce the issue?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:53 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>> 
>>> Thanks, that'd be fine, although since others seem to be having the 
>>> same issue, it might be useful to keep it on list.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 Odd, cuz I have the opposite issue. I can email you off list of 
 something if you'd like?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:22 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
 
 No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have 
> your library as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of tracks, 
> all VO says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I VO-arrow 
> right it just keeps saying, "blank, Text".
> Best,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it 
>> will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and 
>> then go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the album 
>> tracks
 grid.
>> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about 
>> it, the interface makes a lot of sense.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, 
>> but I don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> There's an album track grid.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister 
>>> Ekstrom
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set 
>>> to albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have
> chosen?
>>> This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was 
>>> a table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. 
>>> No, i do not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new 
>>> on

RE: itunes 11 is out

[Daniel Miller]

Oh don't get me wrong, I like it too, I just feel like they could've
polished it a bit accessibility wise before releasing it.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out

I think you're right. lol.  Though in many ways I like the new interface.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> No problem. I'm starting to think that extra time apple took to 'make 
> everything right' didn't' pay off.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> Yeah, thanks.  Will do.
> Thanks for trying to help troubleshoot.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> That's really weird, because I don't have that problem. Write to 
>> accessibil...@apple.com, and explain your exact configuration.
>> What model mac you have, OS version, etc.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:49 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> OK, so I navigate over to Albums and do VO-Space.  then I arrow over 
>> to the list of albums, and VO-arrow down to the one I want.  I press 
>> VO-Space, and VO says "Album Details.  I interact with that, and VO 
>> over to where it says Album tracks. I interact again.  There's 
>> obviously a grid there, but all I hear is "Blank, Text".
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Can you give me step-by-step directions on how to reproduce the issue?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:53 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>> 
>>> Thanks, that'd be fine, although since others seem to be having the 
>>> same issue, it might be useful to keep it on list.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 Odd, cuz I have the opposite issue. I can email you off list of 
 something if you'd like?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:22 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
 
 No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have 
> your library as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of 
> tracks, all VO says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I 
> VO-arrow right it just keeps saying, "blank, Text".
> Best,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, 
>> it will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, 
>> and then go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the 
>> album tracks
 grid.
>> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about 
>> it, the interface makes a lot of sense.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna 
>> Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, 
>> but I don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller 
wrote:
>> 
>>> There's an album track grid.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister 
>>> Ekstrom
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>

Re: iPad Question, was re: iCloud question

[Dave]

Stacy,

Triple click home worked fine when we opened up our iPad Minis.

It may take a bit, but it does work by default on all IOS products now.

When my wife and I got our iPad Minis, it went without a hitch.

Dave

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Re: itunes 11 is out

[Donna Goodin]

Yeah, I agree.
Donna 
On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Oh don't get me wrong, I like it too, I just feel like they could've
> polished it a bit accessibility wise before releasing it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:19 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> I think you're right. lol.  Though in many ways I like the new interface.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> No problem. I'm starting to think that extra time apple took to 'make 
>> everything right' didn't' pay off.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:07 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> Yeah, thanks.  Will do.
>> Thanks for trying to help troubleshoot.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's really weird, because I don't have that problem. Write to 
>>> accessibil...@apple.com, and explain your exact configuration.
>>> What model mac you have, OS version, etc.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:49 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> OK, so I navigate over to Albums and do VO-Space.  then I arrow over 
>>> to the list of albums, and VO-arrow down to the one I want.  I press 
>>> VO-Space, and VO says "Album Details.  I interact with that, and VO 
>>> over to where it says Album tracks. I interact again.  There's 
>>> obviously a grid there, but all I hear is "Blank, Text".
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 Can you give me step-by-step directions on how to reproduce the issue?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:53 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
 
 Hi Daniel,
 
 Thanks, that'd be fine, although since others seem to be having the 
 same issue, it might be useful to keep it on list.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
> Odd, cuz I have the opposite issue. I can email you off list of 
> something if you'd like?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have 
>> your library as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of 
>> tracks, all VO says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I 
>> VO-arrow right it just keeps saying, "blank, Text".
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, 
>>> it will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, 
>>> and then go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the 
>>> album tracks
> grid.
>>> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about 
>>> it, the interface makes a lot of sense.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna 
>>> Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, 
>>> but I don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller 
> wrote:
>>> 
 There's an album track grid.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries

Re: iPad Question, was re: iCloud question

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks dave,
I can't wait to get mine. It's gonna be a good Christmas.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Dave wrote:

> Stacy,
> 
> Triple click home worked fine when we opened up our iPad Minis.
> 
> It may take a bit, but it does work by default on all IOS products now.
> 
> When my wife and I got our iPad Minis, it went without a hitch.
> 
> Dave
> 
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Re: itunes 11 is out

[Richard Ring]

I actually like the new interface a lot. I'm finding it incredibly easy to 
navigate.
 Rich ringrichring@gmail.comSent from my old and true blue White Macbook.

On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:20 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:

> Oh don't get me wrong, I like it too, I just feel like they could've
> polished it a bit accessibility wise before releasing it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:19 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> I think you're right. lol.  Though in many ways I like the new interface.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> No problem. I'm starting to think that extra time apple took to 'make 
>> everything right' didn't' pay off.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:07 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> Yeah, thanks.  Will do.
>> Thanks for trying to help troubleshoot.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's really weird, because I don't have that problem. Write to 
>>> accessibil...@apple.com, and explain your exact configuration.
>>> What model mac you have, OS version, etc.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:49 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> OK, so I navigate over to Albums and do VO-Space.  then I arrow over 
>>> to the list of albums, and VO-arrow down to the one I want.  I press 
>>> VO-Space, and VO says "Album Details.  I interact with that, and VO 
>>> over to where it says Album tracks. I interact again.  There's 
>>> obviously a grid there, but all I hear is "Blank, Text".
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 Can you give me step-by-step directions on how to reproduce the issue?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:53 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
 
 Hi Daniel,
 
 Thanks, that'd be fine, although since others seem to be having the 
 same issue, it might be useful to keep it on list.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
> Odd, cuz I have the opposite issue. I can email you off list of 
> something if you'd like?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have 
>> your library as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of 
>> tracks, all VO says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I 
>> VO-arrow right it just keeps saying, "blank, Text".
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, 
>>> it will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, 
>>> and then go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the 
>>> album tracks
> grid.
>>> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about 
>>> it, the interface makes a lot of sense.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna 
>>> Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, 
>>> but I don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller 
> wrote:
>>> 
 There's an al

iTunes Match

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi all,
Can someone point me to a place where I can learn about iTunes Match? Thanks 
for the help.


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Re: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.

[Red.Falcon]

Hay anybody want a 3 year old 27 inch iMac with only 4 gig ram? na just kidding!
Colin

On 1 Dec 2012, at 21:16, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Where's the fun if you don't overkill toys?
> 
> On 1 Dec 2012, at 09:09 PM, Mauricio Almeida  
> wrote:
> 
>> well. I personally like having over kill toys to play with. so:)
>> 
>> Mauricio
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 4:06 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Yes, I personally think the 2GB graphics card is a bit overkill, unless 
>>> you’er a serious gamer, or do graphic design. Even the 32GB ram is insane.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronald van Rhijn
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:05 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.
>>>  
>>> Hey Kawal,
>>> Congratulations to you, what a machine! I haven't been seeing where you are 
>>> goint to use it for, but isn'tit a little overkill I wonder? 32gb ram for 
>>> example. And the 768gb ssd I personally think is extremely expensive. Why 
>>> doesn't Apple offer 256 or 512gb, since these have come to acceptable 
>>> prices now. And the 2gb videocard, where is that good for? I am considering 
>>> an iMac too, but have trouble paying for a 27" computer and not using it at 
>>> all. I now have a mac Pro and are hopefully coming next year with a new 
>>> design, so I will be waiting for that at least.
>>> In any case, have fun with your new toy;)
>>> bestD
>>> Ronald
>>>  
>>> Op 1 dec. 2012, om 21:54 heeft Kawal Gucukoglu  het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello All.
>>>  
>>> For those of you are interested, read on.
>>>  
>>> Well, it's happened.  My new year will start with a bang that is if the 
>>> world hasn't ended before then.
>>>  
>>> The information is listed below.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 27-inch iMac
>>> £2,950.84
>>> 1
>>> £2,950.84
>>> Dispatched: 3 - 4 Weeks
>>> Delivers: 31 Dec, 2012 - 07 Jan, 2013 by Standard Shipping
>>> Part Number: Z0MS
>>> With the following configuration:
>>> •
>>> 3.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
>>> •
>>> 32GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 4x8GB
>>> •
>>> 768GB Flash Storage
>>> •
>>> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5
>>> •
>>> Magic Trackpad
>>> •
>>> Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (British) & User's Guide (English)
>>> •
>>> Pages
>>> •
>>> Numbers
>>> •
>>> Keynote
>>> •
>>> Accessory Kit
>>> It's thanks to those who were honest with their opinions that I'd like to 
>>> thank for helping me to this decision.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes to you all and just in case I don't say it even though it's 24 
>>> days early,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Happy Christmas and new year.  Let's hope the world doesn't end as I want 
>>> to enjoy my new gadget when it comes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>>  
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Re: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.

[Maxwell Ivey]

hello; now that's an interesting approach buying a computer like a car picking 
one that has to last you at least five years.  i think because of the fact that 
so many of us blind people are on budgets and have to pay for this stuff 
ourselves that we far too often go for too little computer thinking more about 
this month or year than what would be best long term.  i know i did when i 
bought my macbook pro this spring.  i should have went with an SSD drive.  I 
should have went with more ram.  at the very least i should have went for the 
700 GB hard drive.  have fun with your computer. let me know how windows 8 and 
NVDA work out.  I've been thinking about running windows on mine for a while 
now. take care, max 
On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Well, it's got to last me 5 or more years.
> 
> Then I'm putting windows 8 on it along with NDVA as I sold Jaws for the third 
> time.  I think it's going to stay that way for good as far as Jaws is 
> concerned.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 1 Dec 2012, at 09:04 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Kawal,
>> Congratulations to you, what a machine! I haven't been seeing where you are 
>> goint to use it for, but isn'tit a little overkill I wonder? 32gb ram for 
>> example. And the 768gb ssd I personally think is extremely expensive. Why 
>> doesn't Apple offer 256 or 512gb, since these have come to acceptable prices 
>> now. And the 2gb videocard, where is that good for? I am considering an iMac 
>> too, but have trouble paying for a 27" computer and not using it at all. I 
>> now have a mac Pro and are hopefully coming next year with a new design, so 
>> I will be waiting for that at least.
>> In any case, have fun with your new toy;)
>> bestD
>> Ronald
>>  
>> Op 1 dec. 2012, om 21:54 heeft Kawal Gucukoglu  het volgende 
>> geschreven:
>> 
>>> Hello All.
>>> 
>>> For those of you are interested, read on.
>>> 
>>> Well, it's happened.  My new year will start with a bang that is if the 
>>> world hasn't ended before then.
>>> 
>>> The information is listed below.
>>> 
 27-inch iMac
 £2,950.84
 1
 £2,950.84
 Dispatched: 3 - 4 Weeks
 Delivers: 31 Dec, 2012 - 07 Jan, 2013 by Standard Shipping
 Part Number: Z0MS
 With the following configuration:
 •
 3.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
 •
 32GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 4x8GB
 •
 768GB Flash Storage
 •
 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5
 •
 Magic Trackpad
 •
 Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (British) & User's Guide (English)
 •
 Pages
 •
 Numbers
 •
 Keynote
 •
 Accessory Kit
 
 
 It's thanks to those who were honest with their opinions that I'd like to 
 thank for helping me to this decision.
 
 
 Best wishes to you all and just in case I don't say it even though it's 24 
 days early,
 
 
 Happy Christmas and new year.  Let's hope the world doesn't end as I want 
 to enjoy my new gadget when it comes.
 
 
 Kawal.
>>> 
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Re: iTunes Match

[Dave]

Stacy,

Essentially, iTunes Match allows you to upload your music to the cloud and 
have access to it via the cloud.


When you decide to listen to a song, it's downloaded to your device and 
played.


The match part of it is that when you upload your lib, iTunes Match will 
find the best recording of that particular song and artist and give you 
access to it.


It's an annual subscription, and I think the first $24.99 covers 25000 
songs.


Look here for more information.

http://www.apple.com/itunes/itunes-match/

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RE: iTunes Match

[Daniel Miller]

Let me correct a few things. If you're running iOS 6 or later, the songs
aren't downloaded, but streamed. However, there's currently no way to
download individual tracks, only albums or playlists.
Second, the limit for non-iTunes store tracks is 25000, which can't be
changed.

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Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes Match

Stacy,

Essentially, iTunes Match allows you to upload your music to the cloud and
have access to it via the cloud.

When you decide to listen to a song, it's downloaded to your device and
played.

The match part of it is that when you upload your lib, iTunes Match will
find the best recording of that particular song and artist and give you
access to it.

It's an annual subscription, and I think the first $24.99 covers 25000
songs.

Look here for more information.

http://www.apple.com/itunes/itunes-match/

Dave

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Re: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Also, in my long term thinking, the thought crosses my mind that I could lose 
my job at any time due to perhaps machines taking over my job.  If this 
happens, then I have to make sure I have a computer which lasts me a long time 
as you don't know what's around the corner.  I also want a Mac Book air when 
the next one comes out and may be that may be the very last purchase I make for 
a very long time.  You know if you ask a charity to buy something for you, it 
would be a computer that would have the lowest specks and you also know it 
would be dead after a year or more.

Kawal. 

On 1 Dec 2012, at 09:47 PM, Maxwell Ivey  wrote:

> hello; now that's an interesting approach buying a computer like a car 
> picking one that has to last you at least five years.  i think because of the 
> fact that so many of us blind people are on budgets and have to pay for this 
> stuff ourselves that we far too often go for too little computer thinking 
> more about this month or year than what would be best long term.  i know i 
> did when i bought my macbook pro this spring.  i should have went with an SSD 
> drive.  I should have went with more ram.  at the very least i should have 
> went for the 700 GB hard drive.  have fun with your computer. let me know how 
> windows 8 and NVDA work out.  I've been thinking about running windows on 
> mine for a while now. take care, max 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Well, it's got to last me 5 or more years.
>> 
>> Then I'm putting windows 8 on it along with NDVA as I sold Jaws for the 
>> third time.  I think it's going to stay that way for good as far as Jaws is 
>> concerned.
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 1 Dec 2012, at 09:04 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Kawal,
>>> Congratulations to you, what a machine! I haven't been seeing where you are 
>>> goint to use it for, but isn'tit a little overkill I wonder? 32gb ram for 
>>> example. And the 768gb ssd I personally think is extremely expensive. Why 
>>> doesn't Apple offer 256 or 512gb, since these have come to acceptable 
>>> prices now. And the 2gb videocard, where is that good for? I am considering 
>>> an iMac too, but have trouble paying for a 27" computer and not using it at 
>>> all. I now have a mac Pro and are hopefully coming next year with a new 
>>> design, so I will be waiting for that at least.
>>> In any case, have fun with your new toy;)
>>> bestD
>>> Ronald
>>>  
>>> Op 1 dec. 2012, om 21:54 heeft Kawal Gucukoglu  het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
 Hello All.
 
 For those of you are interested, read on.
 
 Well, it's happened.  My new year will start with a bang that is if the 
 world hasn't ended before then.
 
 The information is listed below.
 
> 27-inch iMac
> £2,950.84
> 1
> £2,950.84
> Dispatched: 3 - 4 Weeks
> Delivers: 31 Dec, 2012 - 07 Jan, 2013 by Standard Shipping
> Part Number: Z0MS
> With the following configuration:
> •
> 3.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
> •
> 32GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 4x8GB
> •
> 768GB Flash Storage
> •
> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5
> •
> Magic Trackpad
> •
> Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (British) & User's Guide (English)
> •
> Pages
> •
> Numbers
> •
> Keynote
> •
> Accessory Kit
> 
> 
> It's thanks to those who were honest with their opinions that I'd like to 
> thank for helping me to this decision.
> 
> 
> Best wishes to you all and just in case I don't say it even though it's 
> 24 days early,
> 
> 
> Happy Christmas and new year.  Let's hope the world doesn't end as I want 
> to enjoy my new gadget when it comes.
> 
> 
> Kawal.
 
 
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RE: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.

[wayne coles]

Hello and yes congrats from me and with that toy you will
awake when the new year rings in so happy new year 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.

 

Well, it's got to last me 5 or more years.

 

Then I'm putting windows 8 on it along with NDVA as I sold Jaws for the
third time.  I think it's going to stay that way for good as far as Jaws is
concerned.

 

Thanks again.

 

Kawal.

On 1 Dec 2012, at 09:04 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:

Hey Kawal,

Congratulations to you, what a machine! I haven't been seeing where you are
goint to use it for, but isn'tit a little overkill I wonder? 32gb ram for
example. And the 768gb ssd I personally think is extremely expensive. Why
doesn't Apple offer 256 or 512gb, since these have come to acceptable prices
now. And the 2gb videocard, where is that good for? I am considering an iMac
too, but have trouble paying for a 27" computer and not using it at all. I
now have a mac Pro and are hopefully coming next year with a new design, so
I will be waiting for that at least.

In any case, have fun with your new toy;)

bestD

Ronald

 

Op 1 dec. 2012, om 21:54 heeft Kawal Gucukoglu  het volgende
geschreven:





Hello All.

 

For those of you are interested, read on.

 

Well, it's happened.  My new year will start with a bang that is if the
world hasn't ended before then.

 

The information is listed below.

 








27-inch iMac

£2,950.84

1

£2,950.84



Dispatched: 3 - 4 Weeks


  Delivers: 31
Dec, 2012 - 07 Jan, 2013 by Standard Shipping


Part Number: Z0MS






With the following configuration:


•

3.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz


•

32GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 4x8GB


•

768GB Flash Storage


•

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5


•

Magic Trackpad


•

Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (British) & User's Guide (English)


•

Pages


•

Numbers


•

Keynote


•

Accessory Kit




It's thanks to those who were honest with their opinions that I'd like to
thank for helping me to this decision.


Best wishes to you all and just in case I don't say it even though it's 24
days early,



Happy Christmas and new year.  Let's hope the world doesn't end as I want to
enjoy my new gadget when it comes.


Kawal.

 

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video connections for new 2012 mac mini

[Ricardo Walker]

Hello,

I was just wondering, does the new 2012 Mac minis only have an HDMI port for 
video connectivity?  Does it also have DVI or VGA?  Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
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Re: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.

[Maxwell Ivey]

yes, well i had to buy this one myself. i sold a mall carousel and told myself 
no matter how much i didn't want to i needed to replace my four year old 
macbook because like you say when will i have the money again.  hopefully, 
things go well and more commissions come in but what if they don't.  enjoy your 
new computer, max 
On Dec 1, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Also, in my long term thinking, the thought crosses my mind that I could lose 
> my job at any time due to perhaps machines taking over my job.  If this 
> happens, then I have to make sure I have a computer which lasts me a long 
> time as you don't know what's around the corner.  I also want a Mac Book air 
> when the next one comes out and may be that may be the very last purchase I 
> make for a very long time.  You know if you ask a charity to buy something 
> for you, it would be a computer that would have the lowest specks and you 
> also know it would be dead after a year or more.
> 
> Kawal. 
> 
> On 1 Dec 2012, at 09:47 PM, Maxwell Ivey  wrote:
> 
>> hello; now that's an interesting approach buying a computer like a car 
>> picking one that has to last you at least five years.  i think because of 
>> the fact that so many of us blind people are on budgets and have to pay for 
>> this stuff ourselves that we far too often go for too little computer 
>> thinking more about this month or year than what would be best long term.  i 
>> know i did when i bought my macbook pro this spring.  i should have went 
>> with an SSD drive.  I should have went with more ram.  at the very least i 
>> should have went for the 700 GB hard drive.  have fun with your computer. 
>> let me know how windows 8 and NVDA work out.  I've been thinking about 
>> running windows on mine for a while now. take care, max 
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, it's got to last me 5 or more years.
>>> 
>>> Then I'm putting windows 8 on it along with NDVA as I sold Jaws for the 
>>> third time.  I think it's going to stay that way for good as far as Jaws is 
>>> concerned.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 1 Dec 2012, at 09:04 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey Kawal,
 Congratulations to you, what a machine! I haven't been seeing where you 
 are goint to use it for, but isn'tit a little overkill I wonder? 32gb ram 
 for example. And the 768gb ssd I personally think is extremely expensive. 
 Why doesn't Apple offer 256 or 512gb, since these have come to acceptable 
 prices now. And the 2gb videocard, where is that good for? I am 
 considering an iMac too, but have trouble paying for a 27" computer and 
 not using it at all. I now have a mac Pro and are hopefully coming next 
 year with a new design, so I will be waiting for that at least.
 In any case, have fun with your new toy;)
 bestD
 Ronald
  
 Op 1 dec. 2012, om 21:54 heeft Kawal Gucukoglu  het 
 volgende geschreven:
 
> Hello All.
> 
> For those of you are interested, read on.
> 
> Well, it's happened.  My new year will start with a bang that is if the 
> world hasn't ended before then.
> 
> The information is listed below.
> 
>> 27-inch iMac
>> £2,950.84
>> 1
>> £2,950.84
>> Dispatched: 3 - 4 Weeks
>> Delivers: 31 Dec, 2012 - 07 Jan, 2013 by Standard Shipping
>> Part Number: Z0MS
>> With the following configuration:
>> •
>> 3.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
>> •
>> 32GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 4x8GB
>> •
>> 768GB Flash Storage
>> •
>> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5
>> •
>> Magic Trackpad
>> •
>> Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (British) & User's Guide (English)
>> •
>> Pages
>> •
>> Numbers
>> •
>> Keynote
>> •
>> Accessory Kit
>> 
>> 
>> It's thanks to those who were honest with their opinions that I'd like 
>> to thank for helping me to this decision.
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes to you all and just in case I don't say it even though it's 
>> 24 days early,
>> 
>> 
>> Happy Christmas and new year.  Let's hope the world doesn't end as I 
>> want to enjoy my new gadget when it comes.
>> 
>> 
>> Kawal.
> 
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Re: iPad Question, was re: iCloud question

[Alex Hall]

I hope it does work then. My mom got an iPhone5, and my friend and sister both 
got the 4s, and triple click home did nothing on any of them. Yes, it is 
supposed to be enabled by default, but experience has shown me that it is not 
always actually done that way.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Thanks dave,
> I can't wait to get mine. It's gonna be a good Christmas.
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Dave wrote:
> 
>> Stacy,
>> 
>> Triple click home worked fine when we opened up our iPad Minis.
>> 
>> It may take a bit, but it does work by default on all IOS products now.
>> 
>> When my wife and I got our iPad Minis, it went without a hitch.
>> 
>> Dave
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Re: video connections for new 2012 mac mini

[Alex Hall]

As far as I know, it has hdmi and mini display (thunderbolt) ports and that's 
it. You can get adapters to go from mini display or hdmi to other video 
connection types, and my mini (2011) even came with a dvi to hdmi adapter.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:10 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I was just wondering, does the new 2012 Mac minis only have an HDMI port for 
> video connectivity?  Does it also have DVI or VGA?  Thanks.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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captcha solving service for the mac.

[Adrienne Sinclair Chalmers]

Hi guys

Isn't the real question here not about whether captcha solving services should 
be free, but why people are allowed to use inaccessible captchas on their sites 
in the first place? Personally, I am sick of the rotten things and don't know 
how people get away with using them and their unintelligible so-called audio 
equivalents.

Perhaps if the cost of captcha solving fell on the heads of those who included 
these barriers to accessibility and not to people who can't see or hear them, 
they would pretty soon find other solutions that everyone could use on an equal 
basis.

I have never had the "need" to use captchas sufficiently explained to me. There 
always seem to be other ways of achieving whatever result the proprietor of the 
site thinks captchas supply.

Regards

Adrienne

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Re: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
Congratulations. It sounds like you're getting real nice computer. I know 
you'll enjoy playing with it. Now you got to do, is press command F5 and you're 
in luck.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Hello All.
> 
> For those of you are interested, read on.
> 
> Well, it's happened.  My new year will start with a bang that is if the world 
> hasn't ended before then.
> 
> The information is listed below.
> 
>> 27-inch iMac
>> £2,950.84
>> 1
>> £2,950.84
>> Dispatched: 3 - 4 Weeks
>> Delivers: 31 Dec, 2012 - 07 Jan, 2013 by Standard Shipping
>> Part Number: Z0MS
>> With the following configuration:
>> •
>> 3.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
>> •
>> 32GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 4x8GB
>> •
>> 768GB Flash Storage
>> •
>> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5
>> •
>> Magic Trackpad
>> •
>> Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (British) & User's Guide (English)
>> •
>> Pages
>> •
>> Numbers
>> •
>> Keynote
>> •
>> Accessory Kit
>> 
>> 
>> It's thanks to those who were honest with their opinions that I'd like to 
>> thank for helping me to this decision.
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes to you all and just in case I don't say it even though it's 24 
>> days early,
>> 
>> 
>> Happy Christmas and new year.  Let's hope the world doesn't end as I want to 
>> enjoy my new gadget when it comes.
>> 
>> 
>> Kawal.
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RE: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.

[Kliphton . A . M]

You basically doubled up my mini!  I was going to go with the iMac, but
decided against it because of the price difference and not needing a screen.
But my mini pretty much has everything yours does except the amount of ram.
I have a 2012 mac mini latest model, 16 gig of ram, 1TB of flash storage,
2.6 I7 quad core processor with turbo boost up to 3.4, and all those bells
and whistles I can’t remember off the top of my head right now.  I wouldn’t
trade it for the world, this little thing fly’s  Have fun with your new
toy, I know I am enjoying mine now.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.

 

Well, it's got to last me 5 or more years.

 

Then I'm putting windows 8 on it along with NDVA as I sold Jaws for the
third time.  I think it's going to stay that way for good as far as Jaws is
concerned.

 

Thanks again.

 

Kawal.

On 1 Dec 2012, at 09:04 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:

Hey Kawal,

Congratulations to you, what a machine! I haven't been seeing where you are
goint to use it for, but isn'tit a little overkill I wonder? 32gb ram for
example. And the 768gb ssd I personally think is extremely expensive. Why
doesn't Apple offer 256 or 512gb, since these have come to acceptable prices
now. And the 2gb videocard, where is that good for? I am considering an iMac
too, but have trouble paying for a 27" computer and not using it at all. I
now have a mac Pro and are hopefully coming next year with a new design, so
I will be waiting for that at least.

In any case, have fun with your new toy;)

bestD

Ronald

 

Op 1 dec. 2012, om 21:54 heeft Kawal Gucukoglu  het volgende
geschreven:





Hello All.

 

For those of you are interested, read on.

 

Well, it's happened.  My new year will start with a bang that is if the
world hasn't ended before then.

 

The information is listed below.

 








27-inch iMac

£2,950.84

1

£2,950.84



Dispatched: 3 - 4 Weeks


  Delivers: 31
Dec, 2012 - 07 Jan, 2013 by Standard Shipping


Part Number: Z0MS






With the following configuration:


•

3.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz


•

32GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 4x8GB


•

768GB Flash Storage


•

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5


•

Magic Trackpad


•

Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (British) & User's Guide (English)


•

Pages


•

Numbers


•

Keynote


•

Accessory Kit




It's thanks to those who were honest with their opinions that I'd like to
thank for helping me to this decision.


Best wishes to you all and just in case I don't say it even though it's 24
days early,



Happy Christmas and new year.  Let's hope the world doesn't end as I want to
enjoy my new gadget when it comes.


Kawal.

 

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RE: video connections for new 2012 mac mini

[Kliphton . A . M]

Only HDMI on the one I have, oh and thunder bolt of course.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:10 PM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: video connections for new 2012 mac mini

Hello,

I was just wondering, does the new 2012 Mac minis only have an HDMI port for
video connectivity?  Does it also have DVI or VGA?  Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
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RE: video connections for new 2012 mac mini

[Angelo]

It does come with a HDMI to DVI converter.
hth

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Subject: RE: video connections for new 2012 mac mini

Only HDMI on the one I have, oh and thunder bolt of course.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:10 PM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: video connections for new 2012 mac mini

Hello,

I was just wondering, does the new 2012 Mac minis only have an HDMI port for
video connectivity?  Does it also have DVI or VGA?  Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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Re: VoiceOver stops interacting with HTML content on its own and the full screen mode also keeps getting disabled frequently

[Rahul Bajaj]

I'm sorry for the error. I meant VO-Command-H to browse by heading.

On 01/12/2012, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
> Sometimes, when I start interacting with the HTML content of a webpage
> in Safari, after a while,  VoiceOver stops interacting with the HTML
> content on its own.
> For example, let's say   I go to Google and type asearch term  and
> then start interacting with the page containing the search results.
> So, it  works fine when I press VO-H the first 2-3 times, but after
> that, when I press VO-H again, it merely says 'HTML' and then I am
> able to determine that it has taken me  back to the menu containing
> options like toolbar, reading list, HTML, etc.
> Furthermore, the full screen mode also gets disabled on its own after
> sometime.
> Due to this, the location of the back/forward buttons etc is affected.
> Even though I do nothing to change the full screen mode, it
> automatically gets disabled which creates a lot of problems.
> This is really frustrating.
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Re: iPad Question, was re: iCloud question

[Jessica Moss]

I actually noticed that myself, so glad I'm not alone.  I just found out a 
friend. Of mine has an IPad which she's still learning to use, and doesn't use 
VoiceOver.  I've never used an IPad before so got frustrated with it quickly, 
especialy when I somehow turned the speech off and triple clicking the home 
button didn't fix anything.

Sent from" my iPhone

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> I hope it does work then. My mom got an iPhone5, and my friend and sister 
> both got the 4s, and triple click home did nothing on any of them. Yes, it is 
> supposed to be enabled by default, but experience has shown me that it is not 
> always actually done that way.
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks dave,
>> I can't wait to get mine. It's gonna be a good Christmas.
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Dave wrote:
>> 
>>> Stacy,
>>> 
>>> Triple click home worked fine when we opened up our iPad Minis.
>>> 
>>> It may take a bit, but it does work by default on all IOS products now.
>>> 
>>> When my wife and I got our iPad Minis, it went without a hitch.
>>> 
>>> Dave
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Re: Selecting contiguous items

[Steve Holmes]

To add a couple mor important notes here, When pressing VO-Command-Space on the 
first item selection, it will actually unselect it so press same keys a second 
time and then you will hear VO tell you that it was added to the selection.  
Then when moving up or down the list to find something else, be sure and use 
the VO-Arrow keys; otherwise, you will lose the accumulated selections.

On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:

> you need to interact with the list or column.
> then press control+option+comand space to select.
> Then move to the next and continue.
> 
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, what if I wish to select every second item? How would I do that?
>> Thanks again.
>> Max.
>> On 29/11/2012, at 9:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Simply hold down the shift key while arrowing up or down and everything 
>>> will be selected.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-11-28, at 3:25 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all, I know I have seen this asked before but I don't remember the 
 answer.
 How do I select contiguous items? 
 Thanks for any help.
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Jessica Moss]

It simply wasn't doing anything, period.  It wassupposed to make an alert sound 
letting you know a captcha was detected and it didn't so when I got to the 
field where the captcha had to be solved the field was empty.didn't!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Maria & Joe Chapman  wrote:

> HI rumula works for me.  what problem were you having?
> 
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/12/2012, at 3:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
>> Rumola
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Re: iTunes Match

[Stacey Robinson]

Dave,
Your description was great, I might have to consider that for my birthday.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Dave wrote:

> Stacy,
> 
> Essentially, iTunes Match allows you to upload your music to the cloud and 
> have access to it via the cloud.
> 
> When you decide to listen to a song, it's downloaded to your device and 
> played.
> 
> The match part of it is that when you upload your lib, iTunes Match will find 
> the best recording of that particular song and artist and give you access to 
> it.
> 
> It's an annual subscription, and I think the first $24.99 covers 25000 songs.
> 
> Look here for more information.
> 
> http://www.apple.com/itunes/itunes-match/
> 
> Dave
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok that doesn't make sense; I'd think they'd let you try those free credits 
before they made you pay for the service to see if you like it, but ok.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:40 PM, Mauricio Almeida  
wrote:

> because you didn't pay afterrds.
> after the free credits, you have to login and pay like 2 dollars for 50 or 
> 100 credits, can't remember exactly.
> and then it will work normally.
> 
> mauricio
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
>> How were you able to get that to work?  That's the one I said I'd signed up 
>> for, and they gave me about 10 free credits that pretty much would expire in 
>> several days, like I'd use them within a matter of days; not to bash them, 
>> but that doesn't make any sense.
>>   I then installed the extension, and it wouldn't work for me.  So again, 
>> how were you able to get it to work for you?
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Mauricio Almeida wrote:
>> 
>>> there is also
>>> http://skipinput.com
>>> its pretty neat:)
>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I wouldn't consider that advertising; I welcome your feedback, so it's all 
 good.  Thanx for the info, I'll look into that.
 On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
> Hello,
> 
> Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. 
> It is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: 
> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
> 
> It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.
> 
> Regards,
> Brandon Olivares
> Azavia Technologies
> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  
>> I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but 
>> found some tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, 
>> so I'm really glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you 
>> run out.
>>  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed 
>> to, so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything 
>> else, I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to 
>> go back to my pc just to do this, and nothing else.
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Re: how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi
The Apple ear pods and older ear buds contain a mic and this works perfectly on 
the Mac. I just plug the headset into my earphone jack, and the mic 
automatically gets used by Skype or Facetime. If you're not bothered about 
quality then these ear pods might do the trick for you.

Lisette

On 1/12/2012, at 6:36 PM, "Estelita"  wrote:

> Thank you guys for your reply on my query.
> Actually, I just want to use external microphone in my MacBook when chatting 
> on the Skype.
> But sounds it's not that simple to do!
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Re: iTunes Match

[Stacey Robinson]

Oh, ok.
So if you use itunes match you don't put music on your device? 
On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Let me correct a few things. If you're running iOS 6 or later, the songs
> aren't downloaded, but streamed. However, there's currently no way to
> download individual tracks, only albums or playlists.
> Second, the limit for non-iTunes store tracks is 25000, which can't be
> changed.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:54 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes Match
> 
> Stacy,
> 
> Essentially, iTunes Match allows you to upload your music to the cloud and
> have access to it via the cloud.
> 
> When you decide to listen to a song, it's downloaded to your device and
> played.
> 
> The match part of it is that when you upload your lib, iTunes Match will
> find the best recording of that particular song and artist and give you
> access to it.
> 
> It's an annual subscription, and I think the first $24.99 covers 25000
> songs.
> 
> Look here for more information.
> 
> http://www.apple.com/itunes/itunes-match/
> 
> Dave
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Re: how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?

[Estelita]

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try it!

- Original Message - 
From: "Lisette Wesseling" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?


Hi
The Apple ear pods and older ear buds contain a mic and this works perfectly 
on the Mac. I just plug the headset into my earphone jack, and the mic 
automatically gets used by Skype or Facetime. If you're not bothered about 
quality then these ear pods might do the trick for you.


Lisette

On 1/12/2012, at 6:36 PM, "Estelita"  wrote:


Thank you guys for your reply on my query.
Actually, I just want to use external microphone in my MacBook when 
chatting on the Skype.

But sounds it's not that simple to do!

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Re: Selecting contiguous items

[Eugenia Firth]

Ok, sometimes when I am trying to select items noncontinuously I run into this 
really frustrating issue. I press VO command space and the thing gets 
unselected. Then I press it again and it reselects it like you said. However, 
once I try to press VO down arrow, I can't go to the next item so that I can 
press VO command space again or go down to the next one. So, I never get down 
the list. The manual says to turn cursor tracking off, but that didn't work 
either. I am not sure this makes sense, but doing this particular procedure has 
driven me crazy. IO got it to work once, but I can't get it to work every time. 
So what am I doing wrong here? 

Regards, 
Gigi

On Dec 1, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> To add a couple mor important notes here, When pressing VO-Command-Space on 
> the first item selection, it will actually unselect it so press same keys a 
> second time and then you will hear VO tell you that it was added to the 
> selection.  Then when moving up or down the list to find something else, be 
> sure and use the VO-Arrow keys; otherwise, you will lose the accumulated 
> selections.
> 
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
> 
>> you need to interact with the list or column.
>> then press control+option+comand space to select.
>> Then move to the next and continue.
>> 
>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, what if I wish to select every second item? How would I do that?
>>> Thanks again.
>>> Max.
>>> On 29/11/2012, at 9:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Simply hold down the shift key while arrowing up or down and everything 
 will be selected.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-11-28, at 3:25 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
 
> Hello all, I know I have seen this asked before but I don't remember the 
> answer.
> How do I select contiguous items? 
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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Re: Selecting contiguous items

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Gigi,

This process works best in finder or in a web list box. Here's a seemingly 
obvious question: are you interacting with the list box or folder list or 
what-have-you *before you press command-VO-space the first time? This is the 
only step in the process I can think of that's missing.

HtH,
Teresa


Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Ok, sometimes when I am trying to select items noncontinuously I run into 
> this really frustrating issue. I press VO command space and the thing gets 
> unselected. Then I press it again and it reselects it like you said. However, 
> once I try to press VO down arrow, I can't go to the next item so that I can 
> press VO command space again or go down to the next one. So, I never get down 
> the list. The manual says to turn cursor tracking off, but that didn't work 
> either. I am not sure this makes sense, but doing this particular procedure 
> has driven me crazy. IO got it to work once, but I can't get it to work every 
> time. So what am I doing wrong here? 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> To add a couple mor important notes here, When pressing VO-Command-Space on 
>> the first item selection, it will actually unselect it so press same keys a 
>> second time and then you will hear VO tell you that it was added to the 
>> selection.  Then when moving up or down the list to find something else, be 
>> sure and use the VO-Arrow keys; otherwise, you will lose the accumulated 
>> selections.
>> 
>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
>> 
>>> you need to interact with the list or column.
>>> then press control+option+comand space to select.
>>> Then move to the next and continue.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks, what if I wish to select every second item? How would I do that?
 Thanks again.
 Max.
 On 29/11/2012, at 9:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Simply hold down the shift key while arrowing up or down and everything 
> will be selected.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-11-28, at 3:25 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
>> Hello all, I know I have seen this asked before but I don't remember the 
>> answer.
>> How do I select contiguous items? 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Max.
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I still completely disagree with your approach, but I also am willing to 
respectfully drop the discussion, and respectfully agree to disagree.

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brandon Olivares 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:58 AM
  Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.


  With all due respect, but it is not a charity. Yes, perhaps it *should* be 
freely accessible to all, but the bottom line is that it costs me to have the 
captchas solved, and so in order to continue to operate, I must pass on that 
costs to the users. Our margins are not that large, so nearly all of that is 
directed to the workers of Amazon Turk for solving the captchas for us.


  Perhaps you would also like to have free OCR software that works well, or 
free braille notetakers (after all, paper and pencil are much cheaper), etc.


  Regards,
  Brandon Olivares
  Azavia Technologies
  ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader


  On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


I don't mean to be rude, but why should we pay 18 cents per captcha just as 
a result of being blind?  Sighted people all day long can do these things 
without having to pay.

Isn't this kind of unfair to exclude blind people as doing it for free when 
there are services like Web Visum etc. that will do it for free?  Granted, they 
mainly only now work on Windows, for what it's worth, but the bottom line is, 
as long as you can access them, they're free.

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
  - Original Message -
  From: Brandon Olivares
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:43 PM
  Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.


  Hello,


  Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. 
It is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha


  It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.


  Regards,
  Brandon Olivares
  Azavia Technologies
  ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader


  On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  
wrote:


Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  
I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found some 
tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm really glad 
I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
 It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed 
to, so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, 
I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back to 
my pc just to do this, and nothing else.

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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I wasn't complaining, I was only making a point to say, when other sollutions 
are free, doesn't it seem logical that people would use those before they would 
go paying?  I'm sorry if my message came off rudely, as it wasn't my intention, 
and I definitely was not purposefully trying to complain.  You all completely 
took out of context how I meant what I said, but if you don't wanna believe me, 
then it's really not my problem.

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mauricio Almeida 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:01 AM
  Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.


  you see, brandon, people think its easier to complain than to simply use 
solutions available and thank people for providing them while they aren't doing 
anything better.
  good job and keep up the good work.
  mauricio




  On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:58 AM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:


With all due respect, but it is not a charity. Yes, perhaps it *should* be 
freely accessible to all, but the bottom line is that it costs me to have the 
captchas solved, and so in order to continue to operate, I must pass on that 
costs to the users. Our margins are not that large, so nearly all of that is 
directed to the workers of Amazon Turk for solving the captchas for us.


Perhaps you would also like to have free OCR software that works well, or 
free braille notetakers (after all, paper and pencil are much cheaper), etc.


Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies
ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader


On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


  I don't mean to be rude, but why should we pay 18 cents per captcha just 
as a result of being blind?  Sighted people all day long can do these things 
without having to pay.

  Isn't this kind of unfair to exclude blind people as doing it for free 
when there are services like Web Visum etc. that will do it for free?  Granted, 
they mainly only now work on Windows, for what it's worth, but the bottom line 
is, as long as you can access them, they're free.

  Thank you kindly,

  Christopher-Mark Gilland.
  Founder of CLG Productions
- Original Message -
From: Brandon Olivares
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.


Hello,


Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any 
platform. It is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: 
http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha


It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.


Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies
ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader


On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  
wrote:


  Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac 
yet?  I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found 
some tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm really 
glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
   It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was 
supposed to, so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of 
anything else, I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have 
to go back to my pc just to do this, and nothing else.

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Re: What's the difference between Artist and Album Artist?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Donna,

You know, you raise a very valid question, which isn't stupid in the least. 
I wondered the same thing, but after the comments that I get on the list 
when voiceing my question/opinions/help, I was way too humilliated to ever 
ask.  I agree with you it seems very redundant.


Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
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From: "Donna Goodin" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: What's the difference between Artist and Album Artist?


Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but it seems to me like these 
would be the same thing.

Best,
Donna

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Re: What's the difference between Artist and Album Artist?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, but the one who compiled everything, wouldn't that be the composer?  I 
know one could say, no, as they didn't necessarily compose the songs 
themselves, but only compiled the album.  Exactly.  They are the composer of 
the album.  OK, yeah, I know that's a stretch, we're really playing with 
simantics here, but, yeah...


Thank you kindly,

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Founder of CLG Productions
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From: "Alex Hall" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: What's the difference between Artist and Album Artist?


Not necessarily. Say a cd contains music enspired by a movie, or maybe a 
soundtrack. In that case, song artists would vary, but the album artist 
might be the one who compiled everything. I hope that makes sense.

On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but it seems to me like these 
would be the same thing.

Best,
Donna

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Strange thing with iTunes eleven

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi,
I just ripped a double CD soundtrack since upgrading to the latest version of 
iTunes and when I looked in my library it had placed each song according to 
artist in folders of their own.
With earlier iTunes versions all songs on an album were together. Is this a 
bug, or is this new way the way it should be. I hope not. 
I think things were more organized in older versions of iTunes.
Can someone give me your experience with ripping cd's since the upgrade?
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Re: What's the difference between Artist and Album Artist?

[Kevin Shaw]

In albums with many guest artists appearing on it, such as a Santana album, the 
individual song artist might be Macie Gray, Michelle Branch or Rob Thomas. The 
album artist is Santana, as that's the artist that the album is attributed to. 

Another example is hip hop albums where an artist such as Kanye might have 
several guest artists perforing. the individual song artists might be Kanye 
featuring Missy Elliot, etc. But the album artist would still be Kanye.

In my nomenclature, a composer is the person or persons who writes the song 
including words and notes. 

Hope this helps,
Kevin

On 2012-12-01, at 9:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> OK, but the one who compiled everything, wouldn't that be the composer?  I 
> know one could say, no, as they didn't necessarily compose the songs 
> themselves, but only compiled the album.  Exactly.  They are the composer of 
> the album.  OK, yeah, I know that's a stretch, we're really playing with 
> simantics here, but, yeah...
> 
> Thank you kindly,
> 
> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: What's the difference between Artist and Album Artist?
> 
> 
>> Not necessarily. Say a cd contains music enspired by a movie, or maybe a 
>> soundtrack. In that case, song artists would vary, but the album artist 
>> might be the one who compiled everything. I hope that makes sense.
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but it seems to me like these 
>>> would be the same thing.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
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Re: Strange thing with iTunes eleven

[Kevin Shaw]

Was it a compilation CD? If so, was the compilation check box checked on the 
disc when you imported?

Kevin

On 2012-12-01, at 9:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Hi,
> I just ripped a double CD soundtrack since upgrading to the latest version of 
> iTunes and when I looked in my library it had placed each song according to 
> artist in folders of their own.
> With earlier iTunes versions all songs on an album were together. Is this a 
> bug, or is this new way the way it should be. I hope not. 
> I think things were more organized in older versions of iTunes.
> Can someone give me your experience with ripping cd's since the upgrade?
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK fine. I wasn't gonna write more on this thread, but you all've now gone one 
step too far.  You all think it's fair to charge for computer things, I wasn't 
gonna say anything more, but fine, you want my help on list any more? Pay me 
and I'll offer my input.  How's that, since all of you want me to pay for 
services.  Lookat!  It's not about the quanity nor is it about the 18 cents. 
It's about my opinion, just as you all're entitled to your opinions for this 
discussion, does that not therefore give me the right of a different opinion?  
I'm sick and tired of every time someone else on this list disagrees with 
another member, it's overlooked.  Yet, when I make even one little thing that 
people disagree with, you chop off my cahoanis!  So... if I get banned from the 
list because of my decision to only go one way at this point, that's really not 
my problem. It's the moderators' loss.  I will say that however, I'm done with 
offerring help.  Maybe down the road I will, but at this time, you want help? 
since you think help is so valueable and that blind people should pay for 
things sighted folks don't have to, then perhaps you'll appreciate that I 
refuse to help anyone else on or off list without being paid.

Happy now?  Deal with it!  For those who did appreciate my help, I apologize, 
but blame it on the jerks who are not greatful for the help and knowledge one 
can obtain.

For another thing:  Windows has nothing to do with Apple, so trying to compare, 
as you did isn't in my view a fair justification for your words, but since you 
insist on going there.  Yes, Brandon and others, You're damn straight! I do! 
feel o c r should be free.

Should screen readers be free? Yes! Why do you think I hardly ever use JFW 
anymore.  God forbid, I'd rather use Orca, NVDA, or something open source.  
Apple has put an immense! shit load of accessibility into their products, but 
do they charge us extra but not charge sighted people equally to opporate their 
products?  I didn't? think so!  OK, point made.

My rates are normally $15 an hour, which considerring most would charge upward 
of 30 or higher, that's pretty darn cheap.  So, if you want my help any 
further, let me know and we'll arrange a payment.  Otherwise thanks to you 
all's bashing of me for the past few months straight, I'm not saying anything 
more.  You all figure it out yourselves!  I wash my hands of helping you all!  
Maybe I have a bad attitude, but dont' bash me, and you wont' have to then see 
it!  It's one thing to disagree, but it's entirely another to disagree and be 
completely rude about it, as a ton of you are being.

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christine Olivares 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:55 AM
  Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.


  Hey,
  I would totally understand what you are saying if the Captcha costed 
something like $5 per image, but give me a break? It's only 18 cents. If you 
have a successful business for blind people, you wouldn't have one with the 
attitude you have. If you didn't charge anything, your business would go up in 
smoke. HOw do you think Freedom Scientific does their development? If they did 
everything for free, then there wouldn't be much for those that don't use a 
Mac. I was a JAWS user until I got the Mac, and I would have been lost without 
it.


  Just because you are blind doesn't mean you should have everything given to 
you for free. just call Humanware and talk to them. they would tell you the 
same thing. Services like this charge hundreds for Braille note takers, and you 
are complaining about 18 cents?


  Those free Captcha services don't have a future as much because they are 
free. I would appreciate that there is something that is inexpensive and will b 
around for a while.


  Being visually impaired, I think some things should be free, but i also think 
some things should charge too. This is one of these things.


  Thanks,
  Christine

  On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I don't mean to be rude, but why should we pay 18 cents per captcha just as 
a result of being blind?  Sighted people all day long can do these things 
without having to pay.

Isn't this kind of unfair to exclude blind people as doing it for free when 
there are services like Web Visum etc. that will do it for free?  Granted, they 
mainly only now work on Windows, for what it's worth, but the bottom line is, 
as long as you can access them, they're free.

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
  - Original Message -
  From: Brandon Olivares
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:43 PM
  Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.


  Hello,


  Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any plat

How to Move Songs in Up Next iTunes 11?

[Brianna Snyder]

Hi, 

Just as the subject says, how do you move songs around in up next, in iTunes 
11? I know how to delete them, but what if I want to move a song to play next, 
instead of after three other songs? 

Hope this makes sense, 
Brianna 

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Re: Talking community's again! solution!

[Steve Holmes]

With all the problems noted over the past year concerning older versions of 
java and backdoor security holes and all, this idea of using an older version 
of Java is down right scary and should probably be avoided at all cost.  Why 
doesn't Talking Communities update their software to use current stuff instead?

On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Red.Falcon  
wrote:

> Hi all!
> Well for those of you who might want to use a talking community's room there 
> is a solution!
> This involves replacing the java in mountain lion with a older version using 
> some terminal commands [these commands come from Apple support ]
> I have never used Terminal before but used these commands OK!
> 
> So from the link I will post below you will be taken to the page that  tells 
> you what to do and there is commands to undo those commands if you wish to go 
> back!
> 
> One thing I did was to copy the commands [one at a time] with the copy last 
> phrase to clipboard command!VO+shift+c
> then pasted them into the field!
> On the first one  Terminal asked for my user pass word then for the other 3  
> I just had to press return!
> After following all the steps I could use the talking communities rooms again!
> 
> Here is the link to the Apple support page!
> 
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5559
> 
> Also I cannot remember on which list someone posted that when they got into 
> the room they wanted the talk button was still dimmed!
> There is one more step to do with VO that is not mentioned on TC's help page!
> When you have got to the room and you find those buttons dimmed use the 
> window chooser VO+f2 twice and then arrow down to the log in window and 
> select it!
> Then find the log in link/button and VO+space on it and when your back in the 
> room the buttons will be undimmed!
> 
> Hth Colin
> 
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Re: easy way to use iMessage on mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hey, if you still need help with this let me know off list, considerring... 
well... you know... what I said earlier...

I'd be happy to help you if so.
 Otherwise you can check my podcast at:

http://clgproductions.podhoster.com

where I will be later posting a tutorial on using activities, how to set them 
up, and also how to use them in combination with hotspots.  You kind a lucked 
out on this freeby as I actually ironically was going to make a podcast anyway 
about this, before you even presented the initial question.

Anyway, past that if you need more direct interactive help, my e-mail is:

clgillan...@gmail.com

and I'll be happy to work with you if needed.  I'd suspect the podcast to be 
available probably within the next couple of days.  I need to do some editting 
in ProTools with it, but for what it's worth, it shouldn't be that much longer. 
 Also, if you go to that site now, don't be alarmed that there is no posting 
there right now.  I've not started yet, so this probably will be my first 
eppisode.

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christina C. 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 12:20 PM
  Subject: Re: easy way to use iMessage on mac


  Oh Thanks so much. Christopher, what in the world is a "message activity?" 
What is an activity? I know nothing of this? Where can I learn about this? 
Colin, I like that idea and I will experiment with that. I will try that 
shortly by getting hubby to chat with me via iMessage. :)




  Sent from Christina's iMac :) 





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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Adrienne,

I could not have said things better myself.

I'm sure many disagree with us, but it's nice to know I'm not the only one 
who feels this way.


have a great day.

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
- Original Message - 
From: "Adrienne Sinclair Chalmers" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:35 PM
Subject: captcha solving service for the mac.


Hi guys

Isn't the real question here not about whether captcha solving services 
should be free, but why people are allowed to use inaccessible captchas on 
their sites in the first place? Personally, I am sick of the rotten things 
and don't know how people get away with using them and their unintelligible 
so-called audio equivalents.


Perhaps if the cost of captcha solving fell on the heads of those who 
included these barriers to accessibility and not to people who can't see or 
hear them, they would pretty soon find other solutions that everyone could 
use on an equal basis.


I have never had the "need" to use captchas sufficiently explained to me. 
There always seem to be other ways of achieving whatever result the 
proprietor of the site thinks captchas supply.


Regards

Adrienne

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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Brandon Olivares]

Hello,

No one specifically asks for *your* help. Not to say that your help isn't 
valuable, but no one demands that you help. If someone does, then you are 
perfectly within your right to charge. But, this isn't "the list of 
Christopher-Mark Gilland" where you freely offer your help to all who demand 
it, but a list of many people who offer help to one another because we are all 
Mac users.

You appear to own a business, as it seems from your signature. So let me ask, 
though you may not respond: what motivation do businesses have to develop these 
programs to help blind people. What will keep the lights on? Who will pay the 
creditors? If a business is specifically focused on helping the blind and 
visually impaired, then should that business run on good will alone?

This is actually a problem I have with free services. WebVissum would not be 
running if enough people did not see that it cost to run such a service, and 
freely chose to donate to them, so that others did not have to. If everyone had 
your attitude, that it *should* be free, then it would not run for more than a 
few months, most likely. Or else, the developers would pour more and more money 
into it as it got more popular, and have no return, which would mean that they 
would not be able to offer anything to new developers to join their team, and 
would have to find alternative ways of funding the project, leaving less hours 
to develop the project itself. That means, it would become gradually worse, 
gradually less able to meet the needs of the blind people using it.

I chose a different business model. Everything we do is worth something. There 
is a definite and real cost to running the business. Our users respect that and 
respect our work by paying for our service. If you choose not to, that is 
perfectly within your prerogative— no one is forcing you to do so. But to say 
that I *should* pour my own money into the project, without any hope of a 
return, just because it *should* be freely available for blind people, is 
rather presumptuous. Our economy, perhaps unfortunately, runs on currency, and 
so we need to earn currency for the services we offer.

I have trouble believing that you cannot see this point, that, for instance, 
the developers of JAWS *should* give it away for free, despite the thousands, 
perhaps tens of thousands, of hours poured into that piece of software.

Let me tell you something, whether or not you will admit it, the Mac is a bit 
more expensive *because* it includes VoiceOver. The hours put into creating and 
developing VoiceOver had to be paid— the developer's salaries had to be paid. 
Without that cost, it would have been cheaper, because it would be cheaper to 
make. Maybe only $25, or $50, but it is something. You, in fact, are paying to 
use VoiceOver, because Apple factored that price into the price of their 
computers.

If you are a business owner, I hope that this logic is obvious to you, because 
it is business management 101.

Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies
ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader

On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:49 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"  
wrote:

> OK fine. I wasn't gonna write more on this thread, but you all've now gone 
> one step too far.  You all think it's fair to charge for computer things, I 
> wasn't gonna say anything more, but fine, you want my help on list any more? 
> Pay me and I'll offer my input.  How's that, since all of you want me to pay 
> for services.  Lookat!  It's not about the quanity nor is it about the 18 
> cents. It's about my opinion, just as you all're entitled to your opinions 
> for this discussion, does that not therefore give me the right of a different 
> opinion?  I'm sick and tired of every time someone else on this list 
> disagrees with another member, it's overlooked.  Yet, when I make even one 
> little thing that people disagree with, you chop off my cahoanis!  So... if I 
> get banned from the list because of my decision to only go one way at this 
> point, that's really not my problem. It's the moderators' loss.  I will say 
> that however, I'm done with offerring help.  Maybe down the road I will, but 
> at this time, you want help? since you think help is so valueable and that 
> blind people should pay for things sighted folks don't have to, then perhaps 
> you'll appreciate that I refuse to help anyone else on or off list without 
> being paid.
>  
> Happy now?  Deal with it!  For those who did appreciate my help, I apologize, 
> but blame it on the jerks who are not greatful for the help and knowledge one 
> can obtain.
>  
> For another thing:  Windows has nothing to do with Apple, so trying to 
> compare, as you did isn't in my view a fair justification for your words, but 
> since you insist on going there.  Yes, Brandon and others, You're damn 
> straight! I do! feel o c r should be free.
>  
> Should screen readers be free? Yes! Why do you think I hardly ever use JFW 
> anymore.  God forbid, I'd rather use Orca, NVDA, or s

Re: Strange thing with iTunes eleven

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'll bet the soundtrack was a various artist disc.  ITunes is extremely 
notorious for doing this with various mixed artist compilations and believe 
me.  I feel your pain.  That was one a the most aggervating things about 
ITunes.  On the one hand, I know why it's doing it, as it's seeing different 
artists per track, and each track is getting organized by artist with that 
artist having their own folder.  that's why it's doing it.  There are ways 
to circumvent this, but again, I'm not at a position where I'm prepared to 
explain.


Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
- Original Message - 
From: "Stacey Robinson" 

To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:37 PM
Subject: Strange thing with iTunes eleven



Hi,
I just ripped a double CD soundtrack since upgrading to the latest version 
of iTunes and when I looked in my library it had placed each song 
according to artist in folders of their own.
With earlier iTunes versions all songs on an album were together. Is this 
a bug, or is this new way the way it should be. I hope not.

I think things were more organized in older versions of iTunes.
Can someone give me your experience with ripping cd's since the upgrade?
Thanks,

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Zello Applevis Passowrd

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello everyone,

I have tried recently connected to the Apple Vis group via Zello.
However, it is requesting I input a password. Does anyone know how I would 
obtain this, or who I would contact?

Thanks.

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Re: Strange thing with iTunes eleven

[Stacey Robinson]

Yes, it was a soundtrack from a musical. I didn't look to see if the box was 
checked.
Would that change how it imports things?
On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> Was it a compilation CD? If so, was the compilation check box checked on the 
> disc when you imported?
> 
> Kevin
> 
> On 2012-12-01, at 9:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I just ripped a double CD soundtrack since upgrading to the latest version 
>> of iTunes and when I looked in my library it had placed each song according 
>> to artist in folders of their own.
>> With earlier iTunes versions all songs on an album were together. Is this a 
>> bug, or is this new way the way it should be. I hope not. 
>> I think things were more organized in older versions of iTunes.
>> Can someone give me your experience with ripping cd's since the upgrade?
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes, I do run a business, but it isn't one that katers just the blind, nor is 
it one that katers just the sighted.  Additionally, it has nothing to do with 
computers more so than I use computers to run my business.  With that said, I 
ask you not write me any longer regarding this on or off list as I refuse to 
discuss the matter with you nor any one else any further.  Please just leave me 
alone with all do respect.

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Re: Strange thing with iTunes eleven

[Stacey Robinson]

Yes it was a various artists.

On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> I'll bet the soundtrack was a various artist disc.  ITunes is extremely 
> notorious for doing this with various mixed artist compilations and believe 
> me.  I feel your pain.  That was one a the most aggervating things about 
> ITunes.  On the one hand, I know why it's doing it, as it's seeing different 
> artists per track, and each track is getting organized by artist with that 
> artist having their own folder.  that's why it's doing it.  There are ways to 
> circumvent this, but again, I'm not at a position where I'm prepared to 
> explain.
> 
> Thank you kindly,
> 
> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> - Original Message - From: "Stacey Robinson" 
> To: "Macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:37 PM
> Subject: Strange thing with iTunes eleven
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> I just ripped a double CD soundtrack since upgrading to the latest version 
>> of iTunes and when I looked in my library it had placed each song according 
>> to artist in folders of their own.
>> With earlier iTunes versions all songs on an album were together. Is this a 
>> bug, or is this new way the way it should be. I hope not.
>> I think things were more organized in older versions of iTunes.
>> Can someone give me your experience with ripping cd's since the upgrade?
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Issue with all mail folder in gmail.

[Steve Holmes]

That is by design.  All your mail goes in that folder and if you want to see 
given messages in other logical folders, labels are assigned and the other 
"folders" are really just messages with that label.

To actually get messages out of "All mail", you have to explicitly move them to 
the Trash folder.  You can properly configure Apple Mail to move to Trash when 
a Delete key is pressed.

On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Jessica Moss  
wrote:

> Ok, I'm not really sure what the perpose of this folder is, but for some 
> reason all my mail seems to be colecting here, and always redownloads there 
> every time I relaunch mail, and it's driving me up the wall, sense I delete 
> it multiple times and it never wants to go away.  Is there any way to fix 
> this?
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Re: Strange thing with iTunes eleven

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Not really in my experience.  You have to actually edit all of the tracks on 
the get info screen, command+I, and put the same artist for all of them.  I 
think technically that box is? supposed to make a difference? yes, but it 
never really worked when I used it.


Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
- Original Message - 
From: "Stacey Robinson" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Strange thing with iTunes eleven


Yes, it was a soundtrack from a musical. I didn't look to see if the box 
was checked.

Would that change how it imports things?
On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

Was it a compilation CD? If so, was the compilation check box checked on 
the disc when you imported?


Kevin

On 2012-12-01, at 9:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  
wrote:



Hi,
I just ripped a double CD soundtrack since upgrading to the latest 
version of iTunes and when I looked in my library it had placed each 
song according to artist in folders of their own.
With earlier iTunes versions all songs on an album were together. Is 
this a bug, or is this new way the way it should be. I hope not.

I think things were more organized in older versions of iTunes.
Can someone give me your experience with ripping cd's since the upgrade?
Thanks,

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Re: ITunes 11 is absolutely perverted! in my opinion!

[Steve Holmes]

The one view I always liked in prior versions of iTunes was the table view 
showing all the tracks of an album and the detail columns that go with them.  I 
discovered that if I choose the Songs view instead of Album or Artist, I not 
only get the table list view back but I can also get the column view back as 
well.  And while interacting with the music table, I can use VO-J to toggle 
around between the player, Music Browser and the Music table.  That never 
worked properly for me in older iTunes versions.  The new grid views seem 
strange to me but there are so many different ways to configure this thing, 
it's pleasant news to be able to get a view that can just about please everyone.

Right now, I'm using the Songs view with Sidebar turned off but status line 
turned on.  Plus I have the column view enabled.  This is really working good 
for me.

On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:37 AM, KJSC radio  wrote:

> Hey all, while it may seem different in iTunes, Like many people have said, 
> the few options are the way to go if you want iTunes to look and feel mostly 
> like normal again. Yeah while it seems like apple made iTunes complex this 
> time around, their are 2 choices you can make… For example, you can choose to 
> live with the new interface which I have decided to do for a bit or you can 
> choose to see if there are ways to make iTunes appear normal  again… Just 
> thoughtI would bring that up… I would like to say though that I love the up 
> ned feature!!! I find this useful especially, when I'm doing enter net radio 
> broadcasting with nice cast on my station and if someone requests a song that 
> I have in my library, I could just go into the songs view, search for the 
> song, find it and VO shift M on that and choose add to next up!!! I love that 
> because I would just make it crossfade to the next song just by doing that… 
> well, have a good day all.
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
>> You're exactly right John.  I am ashamed of myself for the prior comments I 
>> made, and I humbly ask that you all please accept my apology.  I acted like 
>> a jerk!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you kindly,
>> 
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
>> Founder of CLG Productions
>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: ITunes 11 is absolutely perverted! in my opinion!
>> 
>> 
>> If you look in the view menu and hit enter on, show Side bar, you do have a 
>> source list visible.  You then can use control-option-j to jump from the 
>> source list to other areas and back.  You can also use the VoiceOver web 
>> navigation commands as well, such as VO-command-j or even option-tab.
>> 
>>   My suggestion is look at the menus and experiment a bit before you jump to 
>> conclusions.  It's certainly different, but I would not call it "perverted" 
>> in the least.  Be patient and explore and tinker.  We all have to learn it 
>> and find techniques and tips to pass along to one another.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> Twitter, @macfortheblind
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 10:32 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> OK, I don't normally bitch about Apple 峰roducts, but I have to say, what in 
>>> the cottin pickin heck! was Apple thinking!  Maybe I am just not very 
>>> patient, but this is absolutely disgusting! from what I am so far seeing.
>>> 
>>> First of all, I hear people saying the interface is much simpiler?  OK, how 
>>> do you figure that?  You're entitled certainly to you all's own opinions, 
>>> but lookat.  Let me give my! point a vew.
>>> 
>>> First of all, the sources list is totally 100% gone.  Granted it's in a 
>>> popup button now, which is fine, except that they put it way smished in the 
>>> darn middle of the screen it seems.  This means without the item chooser, 
>>> it's a pain in the butt! to get to that popup button.  I can't even jump 
>>> over a lot of things by pressing vo+down arrow instead of right arrow.  If 
>>> I do that, there really is no way to get with vo+down arrow to the source 
>>> popup, as it's on the top most row of the screen, so down would take me too 
>>> low, and vo+up won't work, as you kind a already are! on the top upper most 
>>> column of the screen, so... there went that! idea.  Second of all, at least 
>>> that I so far can see, though I could be incorrect on this assumption, and 
>>> dear God I hope that I am, there is no longer a list view.  It's totally 
>>> grid based now.  Not that this is really per sey an issue, but it does make 
>>> navigating a little bit more confusing, I'll sure as heck tell you that!
>>> 
>>> OK, let's talk about 

Re: My new year starts with a bang with Apple Products.

[Charlie Doremus]

I guess that if you have $4700+ U.S., it's all good enjoy

Aloha, 

Charlie

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On Dec 1, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:

> Hey Kawal,
> Congratulations to you, what a machine! I haven't been seeing where you are 
> goint to use it for, but isn'tit a little overkill I wonder? 32gb ram for 
> example. And the 768gb ssd I personally think is extremely expensive. Why 
> doesn't Apple offer 256 or 512gb, since these have come to acceptable prices 
> now. And the 2gb videocard, where is that good for? I am considering an iMac 
> too, but have trouble paying for a 27" computer and not using it at all. I 
> now have a mac Pro and are hopefully coming next year with a new design, so I 
> will be waiting for that at least.
> In any case, have fun with your new toy;)
> bestD
> Ronald
>  
> Op 1 dec. 2012, om 21:54 heeft Kawal Gucukoglu  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
>> Hello All.
>> 
>> For those of you are interested, read on.
>> 
>> Well, it's happened.  My new year will start with a bang that is if the 
>> world hasn't ended before then.
>> 
>> The information is listed below.
>> 
>>> 27-inch iMac
>>> £2,950.84
>>> 1
>>> £2,950.84
>>> Dispatched: 3 - 4 Weeks
>>> Delivers: 31 Dec, 2012 - 07 Jan, 2013 by Standard Shipping
>>> Part Number: Z0MS
>>> With the following configuration:
>>> •
>>> 3.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
>>> •
>>> 32GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 4x8GB
>>> •
>>> 768GB Flash Storage
>>> •
>>> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5
>>> •
>>> Magic Trackpad
>>> •
>>> Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (British) & User's Guide (English)
>>> •
>>> Pages
>>> •
>>> Numbers
>>> •
>>> Keynote
>>> •
>>> Accessory Kit
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's thanks to those who were honest with their opinions that I'd like to 
>>> thank for helping me to this decision.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes to you all and just in case I don't say it even though it's 24 
>>> days early,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Happy Christmas and new year.  Let's hope the world doesn't end as I want 
>>> to enjoy my new gadget when it comes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>> 
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Re: What's the difference between Artist and Album Artist?

[Donna Goodin]

Well, never hurts to ask a question.  Hopefully the responses here have 
clarified it for you, too.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> Donna,
> 
> You know, you raise a very valid question, which isn't stupid in the least. I 
> wondered the same thing, but after the comments that I get on the list when 
> voiceing my question/opinions/help, I was way too humilliated to ever ask.  I 
> agree with you it seems very redundant.
> 
> Thank you kindly,
> 
> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:15 AM
> Subject: What's the difference between Artist and Album Artist?
> 
> 
>> Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but it seems to me like these 
>> would be the same thing.
>> Best,
>> Donna
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Re: Strange thing with iTunes eleven

[Kevin Shaw]

Yes. When you check the Compilation checkbox when importing a CD the iTunes 
creates the folder with the name of the compilation instead of the artist. It 
shows up in your Media folder under Compilations.

For example, your Hits of the 80s compilation might contain Men at Work, Sade, 
toto and Banana Rama, but when compilation is checked, the folder "Hits of the 
80s" is created under Compilations.

As an aside, I've rarely needed to manage media in the Finder unless I'm 
copying songs to a USB key for work.

Hope this helps,
Kevin

On 2012-12-01, at 10:12 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Yes, it was a soundtrack from a musical. I didn't look to see if the box was 
> checked.
> Would that change how it imports things?
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
>> Was it a compilation CD? If so, was the compilation check box checked on the 
>> disc when you imported?
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> On 2012-12-01, at 9:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I just ripped a double CD soundtrack since upgrading to the latest version 
>>> of iTunes and when I looked in my library it had placed each song according 
>>> to artist in folders of their own.
>>> With earlier iTunes versions all songs on an album were together. Is this a 
>>> bug, or is this new way the way it should be. I hope not. 
>>> I think things were more organized in older versions of iTunes.
>>> Can someone give me your experience with ripping cd's since the upgrade?
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: is lastPass Safari extension for MAC VO accessible?

[Steve Holmes]

I also use last pass and so far that has all been on the Mac with Safari.  Just 
remember to interact with the frame that contains the last pass form and it 
will work great for you.  I like saswords and other optional information.  You 
might need to bump around in there for a while till  you get it all down but I 
like what I've seen so far.

On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, Christina,
> 
> I found that once I plugged in my most-used sites, it does save lots of time. 
> Also, there are other apps that do the same thing, such as One Password. I've 
> never used these others, so other list members can tell you more about those. 
> I'm now used to using LastPass, so it meets my needs just fine.
> 
> HtH
> Teresa
> 
> 
> "We're made of star-stuff."--Carl Sagan
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:27 AM, "Christina C."  wrote:
> 
>> Do you find the effort of learning lastPass worth it? Do you use it a lot 
>> and does it save you time? I really need to make my online shopping quicker 
>> and more independent. :)
>> 
>> Christina
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Saving selected songs to the iPhone

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hello I am using the Mac book Pro and want to saveselected songs to the iPhone 
with iTunes 11.
Can I get a quick tutorial?
Thanks  Thanks for any help you can give me!

SentfrommyiPhone

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it appears that either mail is screwed or yahoo and Facebook are.

[Eric Oyen]

hello everyone,

I am not sure what is happening here. for the last couple of days, mail has 
been failing to display message body text on emails specifically from Facebook 
or yahoo groups. so far as I can tell, google groups are not affected. I have 
yet to check to see if this is the case within gmail itself.

anyone else noticing this?

-eric

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Re: itunes 11 is out

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to albums, how 
can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen? This no longer does 
seem to work. In previous versions there was a table with the tracks of a 
chosen album but this is gone now. No, i do not want the old interface back, i 
want to learn the new one, but i want to know this.
/Krister

30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :

> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio buttons. 
> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
> Original message:
>> You can switch to list view.
>> There are three radio buttons.
>> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there is a way to 
>>> change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no way that I 
>>> can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
> 
 If you don’t want to use the library, then you’re out of luck. I 
 personally like the library.
> 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
 Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes library?  
 that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
> 
> 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell  
 wrote:
> 
> 
 Hi.
 iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only allows you to 
 cue up songs in the library though.
> 
 On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> 
 Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file using 
 finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I know 
 that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
> 
> 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
> 
> 
 What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you could even do 
 that.
 Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and refuses to 
 read with jaws when you show it.
> 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
 Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to add files to 
 my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally fresh OS 
 reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it was not permitted 
 to add the files themselves to the Library.
> 
 What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?  Is this 
 possible?
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
 From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes to 
 navigating around the UI. On Windows, there’s even more tabbing around 
 than there used to be, and that annoys me. Thankfully, however, I use it 
 primarily on the Mac.
 As far as libraries, yes, it still uses them, although I’m not quite sure 
 why you’d need 2 copies of each file. You can tell iTunes to not place the 
 files in the media folder itself when you copy them to the library, 
 therefore freeing up that drive space you say you lose.
> 
 From: 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
 What are the primary differences we can expect in ITunes 11 from what 
 you've seen so far?
> 
 I am operating on the assumption that this version of ITunes is still as 
 library dependant as the other versions have been.  IF so, it will mean 
 that, when I start rebuilding my audio collection from scratch again, and 
 if this collection consists of files I record myself, I will need to have 
 two copies of each file; one in the original location and the other in my 
 ITunes library.  I'd really rather not do that.
> 
 Clutters up drive space.
> 
> 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:10 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
 I can say it works amazing with VO, not so much so on the Windows side of
 things.
 Everything's perfectly accessible, buttons are labe

RE: itunes 11 is out

[Daniel Miller]

There's an album track grid.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out

Hi,
One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to albums,
how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen? This no longer
does seem to work. In previous versions there was a table with the tracks of
a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i do not want the old interface
back, i want to learn the new one, but i want to know this.
/Krister

30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :

> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio buttons.
Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
> Original message:
>> You can switch to list view.
>> There are three radio buttons.
>> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there is a way
to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no way that I
can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
wrote:
> 
 If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. I
personally like the library.
> 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
 Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes library?
that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
> 
> 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
 wrote:
> 
> 
 Hi.
 iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only allows you
to cue up songs in the library though.
> 
 On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> 
 Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file using
finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I know that,
ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
> 
> 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
wrote:
> 
> 
 What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you could even
do that.
 Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and refuses
to read with jaws when you show it.
> 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
 Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to add files
to my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally fresh OS
reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it was not permitted to
add the files themselves to the Library.
> 
 What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?  Is
this possible?
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
wrote:
> 
> 
> 
 From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes to
navigating around the UI. On Windows, there's even more tabbing around than
there used to be, and that annoys me. Thankfully, however, I use it
primarily on the Mac.
 As far as libraries, yes, it still uses them, although I'm not quite
sure why you'd need 2 copies of each file. You can tell iTunes to not place
the files in the media folder itself when you copy them to the library,
therefore freeing up that drive space you say you lose.
> 
 From: 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.
 com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
 What are the primary differences we can expect in ITunes 11 from what
you've seen so far?
> 
 I am operating on the assumption that this version of ITunes is still
as library dependant as the other versions have been.  IF so, it will mean
that, when I start rebuilding my audio collection from scratch again, and if
this collection consists of files I record myself, I will need to have two
copies of each file; one in the original location and the other in my ITunes
library.  I'd really rather not do that.
> 
 Clutters up drive space.
> 
> 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:10 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
 I can say it works amazing with

Re: itunes 11 is out

[Donna Goodin]

Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but I don't 
seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> There's an album track grid.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> Hi,
> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to albums,
> how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen? This no longer
> does seem to work. In previous versions there was a table with the tracks of
> a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i do not want the old interface
> back, i want to learn the new one, but i want to know this.
> /Krister
> 
> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :
> 
>> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio buttons.
> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
>> Original message:
>>> You can switch to list view.
>>> There are three radio buttons.
>>> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
 One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there is a way
> to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no way that I
> can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
> wrote:
>> 
> If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. I
> personally like the library.
>> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
> Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes library?
> that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
>> 
>> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
> Hi.
> iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only allows you
> to cue up songs in the library though.
>> 
> On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> 
> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file using
> finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I know that,
> ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
>> 
>> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you could even
> do that.
> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and refuses
> to read with jaws when you show it.
>> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
> Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to add files
> to my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally fresh OS
> reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it was not permitted to
> add the files themselves to the Library.
>> 
> What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?  Is
> this possible?
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
> From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes to
> navigating around the UI. On Windows, there's even more tabbing around than
> there used to be, and that annoys me. Thankfully, however, I use it
> primarily on the Mac.
> As far as libraries, yes, it still uses them, although I'm not quite
> sure why you'd need 2 copies of each file. You can tell iTunes to not place
> the files in the media folder itself when you copy them to the library,
> therefore freeing up that drive space you say you lose.
>> 
> From: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.
> com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
> What are the primary differences we can expect in ITunes 11 from what
> you've seen so far?
>> 
> I am operating on the assumption that this version of ITunes is still
> as library dependant as the other versions have been.  IF so, it will mean
> that, when I start rebuilding my audio collection from scratch again, and if
> this collection consists of files I record myself, I will need to have two
> co

Re: expense tracking software for the mac?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Alex,

See Finance can definitely be customized.  You can import and export 
transactions.  I imported all of my years of transactions into the program, 
categories and all.  The only categories I will ever create now are the ones I 
add.  When the update comes out, I will post to the list.  The program can be 
used now I think those who wish to manually enter transactions likely won't 
like the current interface, as you have to choose each field first before you 
can edit it.  I expressed my concern about this as soon as I started using this 
software.  But overall, it's still easier to use than Quicken and I'm ready to 
make the total switch over to See Finance.

Les
On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> It will be for a business I have started, just myself and my driver at this 
> point. I suppose it would be for business, but very small. I just need to 
> track payments, both incoming and outgoing, and all that other finance stuff 
> I don't really understand yet. The accountant I am working with asked me to 
> find some accessible software similar to Quicken, so I am following up with 
> that. Ideally I could give her some kind of export from whatever app I use 
> which she could plug into Quicken (which her firm uses). Thanks. Also, please 
> let me know when the update to the software you mentioned is released so I 
> can take a look.
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> Will you be using this for personal use or for a business?  For personal 
>> use, SEE Finance is my choice.  However, I'd suggest waiting until version 
>> 1.0 comes out.  To be clear, they've had version starting with 0.whatever 
>> for a few years.  Entering transactions is clunky right now, but version 1 
>> is being totally re-written to fix this.  I have been working with the 
>> developers for about 2 years.  They labeled all of the buttons.  I've been a 
>> Quicken for Windows user and find that software terribly lacking in terms of 
>> accessibility.  SEE Finance shows great promise.  Right now, I download all 
>> of my transactions from my bank and for other accounts we own, and it's very 
>> easy to set up and is incredibly fast.  I'll provide more info if anybody 
>> wants it.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I will soon have need of expense-tracking software and, of course, I'd
>>> like to keep it on the mac instead of needing Windows. I have zero
>>> experience in this field, but I was told to look into Quickbooks, I
>>> think it was. Is that accessible? If not, is there similar software
>>> that will work with Voiceover? Thanks.
>>> 
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>>> mehg...@gmail.com
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RE: itunes 11 is out

[Daniel Miller]

Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it will
expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and then go all the
way to the right again, and you'll see the album tracks grid.
Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about it, the
interface makes a lot of sense.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out

Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but I don't
seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> There's an album track grid.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> Hi,
> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to 
> albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen? 
> This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was a 
> table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i do 
> not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new one, but i want
to know this.
> /Krister
> 
> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :
> 
>> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio
buttons.
> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
>> Original message:
>>> You can switch to list view.
>>> There are three radio buttons.
>>> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
 One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there is 
 a way
> to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no way 
> that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
> wrote:
>> 
> If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. I
> personally like the library.
>> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
> Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes library?
> that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
>> 
>> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
> Hi.
> iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only allows 
> you
> to cue up songs in the library though.
>> 
> On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> 
> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file 
> using
> finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I know 
> that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
>> 
>> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you could 
> even
> do that.
> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and 
> refuses
> to read with jaws when you show it.
>> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
> Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to add 
> files
> to my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally fresh OS 
> reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it was not 
> permitted to add the files themselves to the Library.
>> 
> What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?  
> Is
> this possible?
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
> From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes to
> navigating around the UI. On Windows, there's even more tabbing around 
> than there used to be, and that annoys me. Thankfully, however, I use 
> it primarily on the Mac.
> As far as libraries, yes, it still uses them, although I'm not 
> quite
> sure why you'd need 2 copies of each file. You can tell iTunes to not 
> place the files in the media folder itself when you copy them to the 
> library, therefore freeing up that drive space you say you lose.
>> 
> From: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups

Re: ITunes 11 is absolutely perverted! in my opinion!

[KJSC radio]

Hey all, while it may seem different in iTunes, Like many people have said, the 
few options are the way to go if you want iTunes to look and feel mostly like 
normal again. Yeah while it seems like apple made iTunes complex this time 
around, their are 2 choices you can make… For example, you can choose to live 
with the new interface which I have decided to do for a bit or you can choose 
to see if there are ways to make iTunes appear normal  again… Just thoughtI 
would bring that up… I would like to say though that I love the up ned 
feature!!! I find this useful especially, when I'm doing enter net radio 
broadcasting with nice cast on my station and if someone requests a song that I 
have in my library, I could just go into the songs view, search for the song, 
find it and VO shift M on that and choose add to next up!!! I love that because 
I would just make it crossfade to the next song just by doing that… well, have 
a good day all.
On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> You're exactly right John.  I am ashamed of myself for the prior comments I 
> made, and I humbly ask that you all please accept my apology.  I acted like a 
> jerk!
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you kindly,
> 
> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:11 PM
> Subject: Re: ITunes 11 is absolutely perverted! in my opinion!
> 
> 
>  If you look in the view menu and hit enter on, show Side bar, you do have a 
> source list visible.  You then can use control-option-j to jump from the 
> source list to other areas and back.  You can also use the VoiceOver web 
> navigation commands as well, such as VO-command-j or even option-tab.
> 
>My suggestion is look at the menus and experiment a bit before you jump to 
> conclusions.  It's certainly different, but I would not call it "perverted" 
> in the least.  Be patient and explore and tinker.  We all have to learn it 
> and find techniques and tips to pass along to one another.
> 
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> Twitter, @macfortheblind
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 10:32 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> OK, I don't normally bitch about Apple 峰roducts, but I have to say, what in 
>> the cottin pickin heck! was Apple thinking!  Maybe I am just not very 
>> patient, but this is absolutely disgusting! from what I am so far seeing.
>> 
>> First of all, I hear people saying the interface is much simpiler?  OK, how 
>> do you figure that?  You're entitled certainly to you all's own opinions, 
>> but lookat.  Let me give my! point a vew.
>> 
>> First of all, the sources list is totally 100% gone.  Granted it's in a 
>> popup button now, which is fine, except that they put it way smished in the 
>> darn middle of the screen it seems.  This means without the item chooser, 
>> it's a pain in the butt! to get to that popup button.  I can't even jump 
>> over a lot of things by pressing vo+down arrow instead of right arrow.  If I 
>> do that, there really is no way to get with vo+down arrow to the source 
>> popup, as it's on the top most row of the screen, so down would take me too 
>> low, and vo+up won't work, as you kind a already are! on the top upper most 
>> column of the screen, so... there went that! idea.  Second of all, at least 
>> that I so far can see, though I could be incorrect on this assumption, and 
>> dear God I hope that I am, there is no longer a list view.  It's totally 
>> grid based now.  Not that this is really per sey an issue, but it does make 
>> navigating a little bit more confusing, I'll sure as heck tell you that!
>> 
>> OK, let's talk about something that for a change I do! actually like.  I 
>> love the fact that they have given us the option of sorting our music by 
>> songs, artist, playlist, genre, or even album just by hitting vo+space on 
>> whichever button near the top of the screen.  In that sense, I think that 
>> was an excellent idea.  No, I'm not being sarcastic at all!  I mean it! That 
>> really was pretty cool.  The only issue is, say you go under albums. Now you 
>> go to the bottom of the screen and interact with the grid.  I'm finding that 
>> pressing vo+down arrow after doing so is only reading the first 13 or so 
>> things in the list.  Past this point, it insists to only say row 14, row 15, 
>> row 16, etc. it won't read the album.  Not only this, but with the ones it 
>> does read, it's only telling me the album title, and not the artist along 
>> with it, so I have no way necessarily of knowing who the album is by, unless 
>> I'm already familiar with the disc.  Fortunately, I know my music quite 
>> well, so th

Re: Easiest Way to Use Mail and save Attachments in Lion

[Les Kriegler]

Harry,  I have seen this occur when using VO-J, but it doesn't happen that 
often.  Usually, I land on message text.  I use the modern view, and if a 
thread has lots of messages, I will initially not hear the message text when 
typing 
VO-J.  But I'll tell you that I will put up with this to use modern view.  For 
example, the thread on iTunes at one point had over 50 messages, and I deleted 
all of them in one pass with conversation view on.  I could not have done that 
with classic view.

Les
On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> Hello, guys,
> 
> I have a friend who uses a macBook Pro running Lion, and he runs Mail in the 
> modern (not the classic) view.  When he VO-J's over to the message text, 
> sometimes he says it lands him on the message content instead of saying text 
> and starting to read the message.  He is also having trouble figuring out how 
> to save attachments.  I just wondered if the classic view for Mail would be 
> easier for him?  I don't use this view myself, so I'm not very familiar with 
> it.  He says he probably won't use Mail attachments very often, but I'm 
> teaching him about creating files, folders, and saving files in folders, and 
> thought mail attachments would be a useful skill.  He is a fairly basic 
> computer user.
> 
> I thought about having him setup a keyboard command to save attachments from 
> a mail message, but then figured that would be way to complicated to explain 
> to him.
> 
> And, on a completely unrelated note, for me, does anyone know the quickest 
> way to get back to the sources table in iTunes when I am in the HTML area of 
> the iTunes Store?
> 
> Thanks so much, guys.
> 
> Harry
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Re: how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?

[Alex Hall]

Well, your best be there is probably a usb sound card into which you can plug 
your microphone, or a usb microphone. That said, if your mac is newer it will 
already include a camera and microphone built in, so you may not need an 
external one at all.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 12:36 AM, "Estelita"  wrote:

> Thank you guys for your reply on my query.
> Actually, I just want to use external microphone in my MacBook when chatting 
> on the Skype.
> But sounds it's not that simple to do!
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Re: ZoomText on the Mac Coming Soon

[erik burggraaf]

Hi, from what I can tell, the comparison doesn't hold up.

Zoom on the mac actually far under performs compared to voiceover.  I know some 
clients are using zoom quite comfortably, but so many things need to be 
improved to compete with a product like zoomtext.

i think it might have a bit of a market, especially since governments will 
probably pay for it anyhow.

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On 2012-11-29, at 3:39 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> There's a bit of confusion here. I may get myself in trouble here, but I will 
> say this: the off-the-shelf accessibility on the Mac is notches more complex 
> than the off-the-shelf accessibility in Windows. I haven't used Zoom for the 
> Mac, and don't know if it has the same magnification features as ZoomText. 
> Someone else can speak to that. However, if I were to choose between Narrator 
> for Windows and Voiceover for the Mac, there just isn't a comparison, and I 
> really wouldn't try. Voiceover winds hands-down. It's a fact that there are 
> more accessibility features in the Mac screen-reader than for Narrator. 
> Again, I can't speak to Zoom for Mac, so I don't know if the parallel for 
> magnification is valid.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> 
> Visualize whirled peas.
> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I'm not a large print user at all, but it seems to me that saying
>> windows already has zoom is like saying Narrator is already a screen
>> reader. Does it read things on the screen? Sure, but comparing that to
>> Voiceover is ridiculous. I hope AI Squared does well with this, I just
>> don't know if it will happen.
>> 
>> On 11/29/12, Doug Hacker  wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>> 
>>> The same is true on the Windows platform but Ai Squared does a very good
>>> business there, no reason to think it would be any different on the Mac
>>> side. Visually impaired Mac users want the same thing as their Windows
>>> counterparts.
>>> 
>>> - Better font smoothing
>>> - Better tracking
>>> - Cursor, pointer and focus enhancements
>>> - Color schemes
>>> - More efficient reading tools for VI users
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
 Should be interesting to see if that sells at all, the mac already
 includes zoom for magnification and voice over for reading, these can also
 be used at the same time. If people buy it, great, but they're taking a
 huge gamble.
 Original message:
> Just to let everyone know, Ai Squared is close to releasing a version of
> ZoomText for the Mac. First release will be Magnification + Enhancements
> only to be followed by reading functionality.
 
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Re: Some of my Apple sounds in Mail have disappeared

[Steve Holmes]

I've had this happen with Mail and Yorufukurou and in both cases, restarting 
the respective program cleared things up; not sure why this happens.

On Nov 25, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> 
> happens regularly to my MacBook Air as well. Seems to me to be a bug. Restart 
> your Mac and everything should be as usual.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> Am 25.11.2012 um 12:35 schrieb Andrew Lamanche :
> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> I have lost some of my beloved Apple sounds in Mail. I no longer hear my 
>> e-mails going off with the woosh sound, nor do I hear the familiar blow 
>> sound when my e-mails have finished downloading. I've not changed any 
>> settings. i've searched for some clues in Mail's preferences but not found 
>> anything. Has this happened to anyone else on the list? Is there a way of 
>> getting the sounds back?
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: itunes 11 is out

[Donna Goodin]

That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of tracks, all VO says 
is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I VO-arrow right it just keeps 
saying, "blank, Text".
Best,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it will
> expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and then go all the
> way to the right again, and you'll see the album tracks grid.
> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about it, the
> interface makes a lot of sense.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but I don't
> seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> There's an album track grid.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> Hi,
>> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to 
>> albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen? 
>> This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was a 
>> table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i do 
>> not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new one, but i want
> to know this.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :
>> 
>>> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio
> buttons.
>> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
>>> Original message:
 You can switch to list view.
 There are three radio buttons.
 One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
>>> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there is 
> a way
>> to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no way 
>> that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>> If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. I
>> personally like the library.
>>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>> Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes library?
>> that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
>>> 
>>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> Hi.
>> iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only allows 
>> you
>> to cue up songs in the library though.
>>> 
>> On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file 
>> using
>> finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I know 
>> that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
>>> 
>>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you could 
>> even
>> do that.
>> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and 
>> refuses
>> to read with jaws when you show it.
>>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>> Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to add 
>> files
>> to my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally fresh OS 
>> reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it was not 
>> permitted to add the files themselves to the Library.
>>> 
>> What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?  
>> Is
>> this possible?
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes to
>> navigating around the UI. On Windows, there's even more tabbing around 
>> than there used to be, and that annoys me. Th

Re: expense tracking software for the mac?

[erik burggraaf]

I am using numbers myself.  I find it clunky under mountain lion but for a very 
small business like mine, spreadsheeting definitely has advantages.

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On 2012-11-30, at 11:33 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there
> I use numbers for doing what you're talking about. I then export the file if 
> I need to to excel. Since you're running a really small business here, it 
> would seem to need the numbers would work for this. You wouldn't be doing 
> large files for hours on end, so it wouldn't take that much time to input 
> things I don't think
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> It will be for a business I have started, just myself and my driver at this 
>> point. I suppose it would be for business, but very small. I just need to 
>> track payments, both incoming and outgoing, and all that other finance stuff 
>> I don't really understand yet. The accountant I am working with asked me to 
>> find some accessible software similar to Quicken, so I am following up with 
>> that. Ideally I could give her some kind of export from whatever app I use 
>> which she could plug into Quicken (which her firm uses). Thanks. Also, 
>> please let me know when the update to the software you mentioned is released 
>> so I can take a look.
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> Will you be using this for personal use or for a business?  For personal 
>>> use, SEE Finance is my choice.  However, I'd suggest waiting until version 
>>> 1.0 comes out.  To be clear, they've had version starting with 0.whatever 
>>> for a few years.  Entering transactions is clunky right now, but version 1 
>>> is being totally re-written to fix this.  I have been working with the 
>>> developers for about 2 years.  They labeled all of the buttons.  I've been 
>>> a Quicken for Windows user and find that software terribly lacking in terms 
>>> of accessibility.  SEE Finance shows great promise.  Right now, I download 
>>> all of my transactions from my bank and for other accounts we own, and it's 
>>> very easy to set up and is incredibly fast.  I'll provide more info if 
>>> anybody wants it.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 I will soon have need of expense-tracking software and, of course, I'd
 like to keep it on the mac instead of needing Windows. I have zero
 experience in this field, but I was told to look into Quickbooks, I
 think it was. Is that accessible? If not, is there similar software
 that will work with Voiceover? Thanks.
 
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RE: itunes 11 is out

[Daniel Miller]

That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have your library
as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out

That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of tracks, all VO
says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I VO-arrow right it just
keeps saying, "blank, Text".
Best,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it 
> will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and then 
> go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the album tracks grid.
> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about it, 
> the interface makes a lot of sense.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but I 
> don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> There's an album track grid.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> Hi,
>> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to 
>> albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen?
>> This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was a 
>> table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i 
>> do not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new one, but 
>> i want
> to know this.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :
>> 
>>> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio
> buttons.
>> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
>>> Original message:
 You can switch to list view.
 There are three radio buttons.
 One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
>>> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there is 
> a way
>> to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no way 
>> that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>> If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. I
>> personally like the library.
>>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret 
>> Jr
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>> Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes
library?
>> that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
>>> 
>>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> Hi.
>> iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only 
>> allows you
>> to cue up songs in the library though.
>>> 
>> On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file 
>> using
>> finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I 
>> know that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
>>> 
>>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you could 
>> even
>> do that.
>> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and 
>> refuses
>> to read with jaws when you show it.
>>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret 
>> Jr
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>> Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to add 
>> files
>> to my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally fresh 
>> OS reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it was not 
>> permitted to add the files themselves to the Library.
>>> 
>> What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?  
>

searching in iTunes11?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I'm trying to search for an album in iTunes11. In previous versions, I'd type 
in the name and go to the albums grid, where only results matching my search 
would appear. Now I get a popover where my results appear, but all I see are 
the results attached to a "add to next up" button. I just want to view the 
album tracks, not add them to anything. What am I missing? If I escape out of 
the popover my albums grid has all albums, and my search field is empty. Thanks 
in advance.


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RE: searching in iTunes11?

[Daniel Miller]

Interact with that.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: searching in iTunes11?

Hi all,
I'm trying to search for an album in iTunes11. In previous versions, I'd
type in the name and go to the albums grid, where only results matching my
search would appear. Now I get a popover where my results appear, but all I
see are the results attached to a "add to next up" button. I just want to
view the album tracks, not add them to anything. What am I missing? If I
escape out of the popover my albums grid has all albums, and my search field
is empty. Thanks in advance.


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Re: searching in iTunes11?

[Ryan Mann]

I noticed that in iTunes 11, after I put a song in the search box, I need to 
press Enter after I finish typing the name.  I don't know why, but that's the 
only way I can get a song to play.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm trying to search for an album in iTunes11. In previous versions, I'd type 
> in the name and go to the albums grid, where only results matching my search 
> would appear. Now I get a popover where my results appear, but all I see are 
> the results attached to a "add to next up" button. I just want to view the 
> album tracks, not add them to anything. What am I missing? If I escape out of 
> the popover my albums grid has all albums, and my search field is empty. 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: itunes 11 is out

[Donna Goodin]

No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have your library
> as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of tracks, all VO
> says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I VO-arrow right it just
> keeps saying, "blank, Text".
> Best,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it 
>> will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and then 
>> go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the album tracks grid.
>> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about it, 
>> the interface makes a lot of sense.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but I 
>> don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> There's an album track grid.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to 
>>> albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen?
>>> This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was a 
>>> table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i 
>>> do not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new one, but 
>>> i want
>> to know this.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :
>>> 
 Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio
>> buttons.
>>> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
 Original message:
> You can switch to list view.
> There are three radio buttons.
> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
>> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there is 
>> a way
>>> to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no way 
>>> that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>> wrote:
 
>>> If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. I
>>> personally like the library.
 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret 
>>> Jr
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
 
>>> Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes
> library?
>>> that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
 
 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
 
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
>>>  wrote:
 
 
>>> Hi.
>>> iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only 
>>> allows you
>>> to cue up songs in the library though.
 
>>> On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
 
>>> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file 
>>> using
>>> finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I 
>>> know that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
 
 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
 
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
 
 
>>> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you could 
>>> even
>>> do that.
>>> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and 
>>> refuses
>>> to read with jaws when you show it.
 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret 
>>> Jr
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
 
>>> Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to add 
>>> file

Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

Hi You make good points.  

good job.


Maria Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - 
Mahatma Gandhi

On 01/12/2012, at 5:58 PM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

> With all due respect, but it is not a charity. Yes, perhaps it *should* be 
> freely accessible to all, but the bottom line is that it costs me to have the 
> captchas solved, and so in order to continue to operate, I must pass on that 
> costs to the users. Our margins are not that large, so nearly all of that is 
> directed to the workers of Amazon Turk for solving the captchas for us.
> 
> Perhaps you would also like to have free OCR software that works well, or 
> free braille notetakers (after all, paper and pencil are much cheaper), etc.
> 
> Regards,
> Brandon Olivares
> Azavia Technologies
> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I don't mean to be rude, but why should we pay 18 cents per captcha just as 
>> a result of being blind?  Sighted people all day long can do these things 
>> without having to pay.
>>  
>> Isn't this kind of unfair to exclude blind people as doing it for free when 
>> there are services like Web Visum etc. that will do it for free?  Granted, 
>> they mainly only now work on Windows, for what it's worth, but the bottom 
>> line is, as long as you can access them, they're free.
>>  
>> Thank you kindly,
>>  
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
>> Founder of CLG Productions
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Brandon Olivares
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. It 
>> is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
>> 
>> It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Brandon Olivares
>> Azavia Technologies
>> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  
>>> I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found 
>>> some tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm 
>>> really glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
>>>  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed to, 
>>> so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, 
>>> I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back 
>>> to my pc just to do this, and nothing else.
>>> 
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changing track rating in iTunes

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

This also seems to be undoable.  I press Cmd-I, and can see all the other 
columns, but cannot see the rating.  Can anyone else confirm this?
Best,
Donna

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RE: itunes 11 is out

[Daniel Miller]

Odd, cuz I have the opposite issue. I can email you off list of something if
you'd like?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out

No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have your 
> library as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of tracks, 
> all VO says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I VO-arrow 
> right it just keeps saying, "blank, Text".
> Best,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it 
>> will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and 
>> then go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the album tracks
grid.
>> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about it, 
>> the interface makes a lot of sense.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but I 
>> don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> There's an album track grid.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister 
>>> Ekstrom
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to 
>>> albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen?
>>> This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was a 
>>> table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i 
>>> do not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new one, but 
>>> i want
>> to know this.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :
>>> 
 Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio
>> buttons.
>>> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
 Original message:
> You can switch to list view.
> There are three radio buttons.
> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
>> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there 
>> is a way
>>> to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no 
>>> way that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>> 
>>> wrote:
 
>>> If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. I
>>> personally like the library.
 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret 
>>> Jr
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
 
>>> Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes
> library?
>>> that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
 
 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
 
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
>>>  wrote:
 
 
>>> Hi.
>>> iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only 
>>> allows you
>>> to cue up songs in the library though.
 
>>> On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
 
>>> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file 
>>> using
>>> finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I 
>>> know that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
 
 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
 
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
 
 
>>> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you 
>>> could even
>>> do that.
>>> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and 
>>> refuses
>>> to read with jaws when you show it.
 
>>> 

Re: searching in iTunes11?

[Alex Hall]

Well, I feel kind of stupid. As Ryan said, pressing enter seems to do the trick 
and filter the grid by my search terms. In previous versions this was not 
necessary, but I'm glad to know how to do what I wanted. Interacting didn't do 
much, though. What would I do once I interact? I could see the album name, the 
artist, and that "add to up next" button, but that's it. I tried vo-space on 
the album and artist, but got nowhere.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:

> Interact with that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: searching in iTunes11?
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm trying to search for an album in iTunes11. In previous versions, I'd
> type in the name and go to the albums grid, where only results matching my
> search would appear. Now I get a popover where my results appear, but all I
> see are the results attached to a "add to next up" button. I just want to
> view the album tracks, not add them to anything. What am I missing? If I
> escape out of the popover my albums grid has all albums, and my search field
> is empty. Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

HI rumula works for me.  what problem were you having?

God Bless! Maria from australia
 Newbie mac user.
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will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 









On 01/12/2012, at 3:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> Rumola

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Re: changing track rating in iTunes

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Donna!
To get the ratings you will need to select the options tab after pressing get 
info!
You should find it in there!
If they have not changed that in the new version!
HTH Colin

On 1 Dec 2012, at 14:23, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> This also seems to be undoable.  I press Cmd-I, and can see all the other 
> columns, but cannot see the rating.  Can anyone else confirm this?
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: searching in iTunes11?

[Ryan Mann]

After I find the name of the Album, I need to do VO+M to open the context menu. 
Then I need to Down Arrow to Play and press Enter.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Well, I feel kind of stupid. As Ryan said, pressing enter seems to do the 
> trick and filter the grid by my search terms. In previous versions this was 
> not necessary, but I'm glad to know how to do what I wanted. Interacting 
> didn't do much, though. What would I do once I interact? I could see the 
> album name, the artist, and that "add to up next" button, but that's it. I 
> tried vo-space on the album and artist, but got nowhere.
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
> 
>> Interact with that.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:16 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: searching in iTunes11?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm trying to search for an album in iTunes11. In previous versions, I'd
>> type in the name and go to the albums grid, where only results matching my
>> search would appear. Now I get a popover where my results appear, but all I
>> see are the results attached to a "add to next up" button. I just want to
>> view the album tracks, not add them to anything. What am I missing? If I
>> escape out of the popover my albums grid has all albums, and my search field
>> is empty. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: searching in iTunes11?

[Alex Hall]

Good to know if I want to play the whole thing. What I was looking for was a 
way to browse the album instead of play it all, but I didn't realize you could 
right click an album there. Thanks.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Ryan Mann  wrote:

> After I find the name of the Album, I need to do VO+M to open the context 
> menu. Then I need to Down Arrow to Play and press Enter.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Well, I feel kind of stupid. As Ryan said, pressing enter seems to do the 
>> trick and filter the grid by my search terms. In previous versions this was 
>> not necessary, but I'm glad to know how to do what I wanted. Interacting 
>> didn't do much, though. What would I do once I interact? I could see the 
>> album name, the artist, and that "add to up next" button, but that's it. I 
>> tried vo-space on the album and artist, but got nowhere.
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Interact with that.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:16 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: searching in iTunes11?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm trying to search for an album in iTunes11. In previous versions, I'd
>>> type in the name and go to the albums grid, where only results matching my
>>> search would appear. Now I get a popover where my results appear, but all I
>>> see are the results attached to a "add to next up" button. I just want to
>>> view the album tracks, not add them to anything. What am I missing? If I
>>> escape out of the popover my albums grid has all albums, and my search field
>>> is empty. Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: changing track rating in iTunes

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, Colin,

Thanks, that did it.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:34 AM, "Red.Falcon"  
wrote:

> Hi Donna!
> To get the ratings you will need to select the options tab after pressing get 
> info!
> You should find it in there!
> If they have not changed that in the new version!
> HTH Colin
> 
> On 1 Dec 2012, at 14:23, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This also seems to be undoable.  I press Cmd-I, and can see all the other 
>> columns, but cannot see the rating.  Can anyone else confirm this?
>> Best,
>> Donna
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Re: expense tracking software for the mac?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

If you need help, let me know. The developers are good at trying to help 
voiceover users.
On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Well, I downloaded checkbook (not the pro version) and I like what I see so 
> far. As I get more into exactly what I need, I'll probably grab the pro 
> trial. Even the basic version looks neat though, and may serve me well 
> enough, although I have not explored it fully yet. Thanks for the 
> recommendation.
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
>> Checkbook Pro will be able to handle that.
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> It will be for a business I have started, just myself and my driver at this 
>>> point. I suppose it would be for business, but very small. I just need to 
>>> track payments, both incoming and outgoing, and all that other finance 
>>> stuff I don't really understand yet. The accountant I am working with asked 
>>> me to find some accessible software similar to Quicken, so I am following 
>>> up with that. Ideally I could give her some kind of export from whatever 
>>> app I use which she could plug into Quicken (which her firm uses). Thanks. 
>>> Also, please let me know when the update to the software you mentioned is 
>>> released so I can take a look.
>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 Will you be using this for personal use or for a business?  For personal 
 use, SEE Finance is my choice.  However, I'd suggest waiting until version 
 1.0 comes out.  To be clear, they've had version starting with 0.whatever 
 for a few years.  Entering transactions is clunky right now, but version 1 
 is being totally re-written to fix this.  I have been working with the 
 developers for about 2 years.  They labeled all of the buttons.  I've been 
 a Quicken for Windows user and find that software terribly lacking in 
 terms of accessibility.  SEE Finance shows great promise.  Right now, I 
 download all of my transactions from my bank and for other accounts we 
 own, and it's very easy to set up and is incredibly fast.  I'll provide 
 more info if anybody wants it.
 
 Les
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> I will soon have need of expense-tracking software and, of course, I'd
> like to keep it on the mac instead of needing Windows. I have zero
> experience in this field, but I was told to look into Quickbooks, I
> think it was. Is that accessible? If not, is there similar software
> that will work with Voiceover? Thanks.
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

It's the blind people should be entitled mentality. Just ignore it. If the 
captchas are time sensitive, will it solve them too?
On Dec 1, 2012, at 12:58 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

> With all due respect, but it is not a charity. Yes, perhaps it *should* be 
> freely accessible to all, but the bottom line is that it costs me to have the 
> captchas solved, and so in order to continue to operate, I must pass on that 
> costs to the users. Our margins are not that large, so nearly all of that is 
> directed to the workers of Amazon Turk for solving the captchas for us.
> 
> Perhaps you would also like to have free OCR software that works well, or 
> free braille notetakers (after all, paper and pencil are much cheaper), etc.
> 
> Regards,
> Brandon Olivares
> Azavia Technologies
> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I don't mean to be rude, but why should we pay 18 cents per captcha just as 
>> a result of being blind?  Sighted people all day long can do these things 
>> without having to pay.
>>  
>> Isn't this kind of unfair to exclude blind people as doing it for free when 
>> there are services like Web Visum etc. that will do it for free?  Granted, 
>> they mainly only now work on Windows, for what it's worth, but the bottom 
>> line is, as long as you can access them, they're free.
>>  
>> Thank you kindly,
>>  
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
>> Founder of CLG Productions
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Brandon Olivares
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. It 
>> is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
>> 
>> It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Brandon Olivares
>> Azavia Technologies
>> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  
>>> I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found 
>>> some tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm 
>>> really glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
>>>  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed to, 
>>> so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, 
>>> I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back 
>>> to my pc just to do this, and nothing else.
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order of song listing has changed

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

this may be something I did in all my mucking around, but when I select songs, 
the order in which songs are listed in the table has changed.  They used to be 
listed in alphabetical order of the artist.  Now they are listed by 
alphabetical order of album.  I'd like it switched back to the other way.  
Anyone know how I can do this?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: itunes 11 is out

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Daniel,

Thanks, that'd be fine, although since others seem to be having the same issue, 
it might be useful to keep it on list.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Odd, cuz I have the opposite issue. I can email you off list of something if
> you'd like?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have your 
>> library as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of tracks, 
>> all VO says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I VO-arrow 
>> right it just keeps saying, "blank, Text".
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it 
>>> will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and 
>>> then go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the album tracks
> grid.
>>> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about it, 
>>> the interface makes a lot of sense.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but I 
>>> don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 There's an album track grid.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister 
 Ekstrom
 Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
 
 Hi,
 One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to 
 albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen?
 This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was a 
 table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i 
 do not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new one, but 
 i want
>>> to know this.
 /Krister
 
 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :
 
> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio
>>> buttons.
 Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
> Original message:
>> You can switch to list view.
>> There are three radio buttons.
>> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there 
>>> is a way
 to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no 
 way that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>> 
 wrote:
> 
 If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. I
 personally like the library.
> 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret 
 Jr
 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
 Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes
>> library?
 that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
> 
> 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
  wrote:
> 
> 
 Hi.
 iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only 
 allows you
 to cue up songs in the library though.
> 
 On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> 
 Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file 
 using
 finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I 
 know that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
> 
> 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy M

RE: itunes 11 is out

[Daniel Miller]

Can you give me step-by-step directions on how to reproduce the issue?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out

Hi Daniel,

Thanks, that'd be fine, although since others seem to be having the same
issue, it might be useful to keep it on list.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Odd, cuz I have the opposite issue. I can email you off list of 
> something if you'd like?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have your 
>> library as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of tracks, 
>> all VO says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I VO-arrow 
>> right it just keeps saying, "blank, Text".
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it 
>>> will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and 
>>> then go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the album 
>>> tracks
> grid.
>>> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about it, 
>>> the interface makes a lot of sense.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but 
>>> I don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 There's an album track grid.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister 
 Ekstrom
 Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
 
 Hi,
 One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to 
 albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen?
 This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was a 
 table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i 
 do not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new one, 
 but i want
>>> to know this.
 /Krister
 
 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :
 
> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio
>>> buttons.
 Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
> Original message:
>> You can switch to list view.
>> There are three radio buttons.
>> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there 
>>> is a way
 to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no 
 way that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long
list.
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>> 
 wrote:
> 
 If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. 
 I
 personally like the library.
> 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret 
 Jr
 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
 Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes
>> library?
 that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
> 
> 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
  wrote:
> 
> 
 Hi.
 iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only 
 allows you
 to cue up songs in the library though.
> 
 On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> 
 Well,

Re: itunes 11 is out

[Slau]

Here's what you need to do to get the behavior you used to see in the previous 
version of iTunes:
1. Select the Songs radio button.
2. Make sure the Column Browser is visible, then under the Column Browser 
submenu uncheck the Genres option and check the Artist and Album options.

Now you can just use first letter navigation and arrow keys to select artist 
and album and the music table will be in a list view rather than grid. The one 
behavior I can't replicate is the ability to simply press space bar on a 
different album to play that new album. iTunes 11 will continue to play the 
previously selected album until you bring up a contextual menu and hit the Play 
option. I think it might work by pressing the Play button as well but I'm not 
sure.

HTH,

Slau

On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:33 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hi,
> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to albums, 
> how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen? This no longer 
> does seem to work. In previous versions there was a table with the tracks of 
> a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i do not want the old interface 
> back, i want to learn the new one, but i want to know this.
> /Krister
> 
> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :
> 
>> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio buttons. 
>> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
>> Original message:
>>> You can switch to list view.
>>> There are three radio buttons.
>>> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
 One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there is a way 
 to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no way that 
 I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
>> 
> If you don’t want to use the library, then you’re out of luck. I 
> personally like the library.
>> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
> Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes library?  
> that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
>> 
>> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell  
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> Hi.
> iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only allows you to 
> cue up songs in the library though.
>> 
> On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> 
> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file using 
> finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I know 
> that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
>> 
>> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
>> 
>> 
> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you could even do 
> that.
> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and refuses 
> to read with jaws when you show it.
>> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
> Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to add files 
> to my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally fresh OS 
> reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it was not permitted 
> to add the files themselves to the Library.
>> 
> What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?  Is 
> this possible?
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
> From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes to 
> navigating around the UI. On Windows, there’s even more tabbing around 
> than there used to be, and that annoys me. Thankfully, however, I use it 
> primarily on the Mac.
> As far as libraries, yes, it still uses them, although I’m not quite sure 
> why you’d need 2 copies of each file. You can tell iTunes to not place 
> the files in the media folder itself when you copy them to the library, 
> therefore freeing up that drive space you say you lose.
>> 
> From: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subj

Re: how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?

[Estelita]

Yeah it has, but I have to sit right in front of it.
Perhaps I'll try a wireless one, what do you think?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Cc: blindapp...@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 1:13 PM
  Subject: Re: how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?


  Well, your best be there is probably a usb sound card into which you can plug 
your microphone, or a usb microphone. That said, if your mac is newer it will 
already include a camera and microphone built in, so you may not need an 
external one at all.

  On Dec 1, 2012, at 12:36 AM, "Estelita"  wrote:


Thank you guys for your reply on my query.
Actually, I just want to use external microphone in my MacBook when 
chatting on the Skype.
But sounds it's not that simple to do!


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What's the difference between Artist and Album Artist?

[Donna Goodin]

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but it seems to me like these would 
be the same thing.
Best,
Donna

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Re: itunes 11 is out

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Sliau,

this doesn't seem to change anything over here.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Slau  wrote:

> Here's what you need to do to get the behavior you used to see in the 
> previous version of iTunes:
> 1. Select the Songs radio button.
> 2. Make sure the Column Browser is visible, then under the Column Browser 
> submenu uncheck the Genres option and check the Artist and Album options.
> 
> Now you can just use first letter navigation and arrow keys to select artist 
> and album and the music table will be in a list view rather than grid. The 
> one behavior I can't replicate is the ability to simply press space bar on a 
> different album to play that new album. iTunes 11 will continue to play the 
> previously selected album until you bring up a contextual menu and hit the 
> Play option. I think it might work by pressing the Play button as well but 
> I'm not sure.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Slau
> 
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:33 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to albums, 
>> how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen? This no longer 
>> does seem to work. In previous versions there was a table with the tracks of 
>> a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i do not want the old interface 
>> back, i want to learn the new one, but i want to know this.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo :
>> 
>>> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio buttons. 
>>> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
>>> Original message:
 You can switch to list view.
 There are three radio buttons.
 One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
>>> 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there is a way 
> to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no way 
> that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
>>> 
>> If you don’t want to use the library, then you’re out of luck. I 
>> personally like the library.
>>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>> Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes library?  
>> that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
>>> 
>>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell 
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> Hi.
>> iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only allows you 
>> to cue up songs in the library though.
>>> 
>> On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file using 
>> finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I know 
>> that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
>>> 
>>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you could even 
>> do that.
>> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and refuses 
>> to read with jaws when you show it.
>>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>> Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to add files 
>> to my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally fresh OS 
>> reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it was not permitted 
>> to add the files themselves to the Library.
>>> 
>> What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?  Is 
>> this possible?
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes to 
>> navigating around the UI. On Windows, there’s even more tabbing around 
>> than there used to be, and that annoys me. Thankfully, however, I use it 
>> primarily on the Mac.
>> As far as libraries, yes, it still uses them, although I’m not quite 
>> sure why you’d need 2 copies of each file. You can tell iTunes to not 
>> place the files in the media folder itself when you copy them to the 
>> library, therefore freeing up that drive

never mind, fixed order of song listing

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Subject says it all. 
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: What's the difference between Artist and Album Artist?

[Alex Hall]

Not necessarily. Say a cd contains music enspired by a movie, or maybe a 
soundtrack. In that case, song artists would vary, but the album artist might 
be the one who compiled everything. I hope that makes sense.
On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but it seems to me like these would 
> be the same thing.
> Best,
> Donna
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VoiceOver stops interacting with HTML content on its own and the full screen mode also keeps getting disabled frequently

[Rahul Bajaj]

Sometimes, when I start interacting with the HTML content of a webpage
in Safari, after a while,  VoiceOver stops interacting with the HTML
content on its own.
For example, let's say   I go to Google and type asearch term  and
then start interacting with the page containing the search results.
So, it  works fine when I press VO-H the first 2-3 times, but after
that, when I press VO-H again, it merely says 'HTML' and then I am
able to determine that it has taken me  back to the menu containing
options like toolbar, reading list, HTML, etc.
Furthermore, the full screen mode also gets disabled on its own after sometime.
Due to this, the location of the back/forward buttons etc is affected.
Even though I do nothing to change the full screen mode, it
automatically gets disabled which creates a lot of problems.
This is really frustrating.

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Re: What's the difference between Artist and Album Artist?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Alex,

Yes, that does make sense. I guess I just don't have that many compilations, so 
didn't think about it.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Not necessarily. Say a cd contains music enspired by a movie, or maybe a 
> soundtrack. In that case, song artists would vary, but the album artist might 
> be the one who compiled everything. I hope that makes sense.
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but it seems to me like these 
>> would be the same thing.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Easiest Way to Use Mail and save Attachments in Lion

[Harry Hogue]

Les,

This is my primary reason for using the modern view -- I prefer the look and 
interface.

Thanks,

Harry

On dic 1, 2012, at 4:42 a.m., Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Harry,  I have seen this occur when using VO-J, but it doesn't happen that 
> often.  Usually, I land on message text.  I use the modern view, and if a 
> thread has lots of messages, I will initially not hear the message text when 
> typing 
> VO-J.  But I'll tell you that I will put up with this to use modern view.  
> For example, the thread on iTunes at one point had over 50 messages, and I 
> deleted all of them in one pass with conversation view on.  I could not have 
> done that with classic view.
> 
> Les
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
> 
>> Hello, guys,
>> 
>> I have a friend who uses a macBook Pro running Lion, and he runs Mail in the 
>> modern (not the classic) view.  When he VO-J's over to the message text, 
>> sometimes he says it lands him on the message content instead of saying text 
>> and starting to read the message.  He is also having trouble figuring out 
>> how to save attachments.  I just wondered if the classic view for Mail would 
>> be easier for him?  I don't use this view myself, so I'm not very familiar 
>> with it.  He says he probably won't use Mail attachments very often, but I'm 
>> teaching him about creating files, folders, and saving files in folders, and 
>> thought mail attachments would be a useful skill.  He is a fairly basic 
>> computer user.
>> 
>> I thought about having him setup a keyboard command to save attachments from 
>> a mail message, but then figured that would be way to complicated to explain 
>> to him.
>> 
>> And, on a completely unrelated note, for me, does anyone know the quickest 
>> way to get back to the sources table in iTunes when I am in the HTML area of 
>> the iTunes Store?
>> 
>> Thanks so much, guys.
>> 
>> Harry
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