Hi Daniel,

Thanks, that'd be fine, although since others seem to be having the same issue, 
it might be useful to keep it on list.
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Odd, cuz I have the opposite issue. I can email you off list of something if
> you'd like?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
> 
> No, I can see tracks fine in artist view, just not album view.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's odd, because mine works just fine. What view do you have your 
>> library as? If it's set to artist view, there's a bug with that.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> That's exactly what I'm doing.  But when I'm in the list of tracks, 
>> all VO says is "one item selected, Blank text."  And if I VO-arrow 
>> right it just keeps saying, "blank, Text".
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Interact with the grid, find an album you want, press VO space, it 
>>> will expand in place, so immediately interact with the group, and 
>>> then go all the way to the right again, and you'll see the album tracks
> grid.
>>> Yes, it's a lot of interacting, but if you visually think about it, 
>>> the interface makes a lot of sense.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:25 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> Yeah, but how do you see the tracks.  I hear VO say album grid, but I 
>>> don't seem to be able to see the list of tracks.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There's an album track grid.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister 
>>>> Ekstrom
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:34 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> One thing i can't get my head around is, if i have the view set to 
>>>> albums, how can i see the list of tracks on an album i have chosen?
>>>> This no longer does seem to work. In previous versions there was a 
>>>> table with the tracks of a chosen album but this is gone now. No, i 
>>>> do not want the old interface back, i want to learn the new one, but 
>>>> i want
>>> to know this.
>>>> /Krister
>>>> 
>>>> 30 nov 2012 kl. 16:27 skrev Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net>:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio
>>> buttons.
>>>> Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> You can switch to list view.
>>>>>> There are three radio buttons.
>>>>>> One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there 
>>>>>>> is a way
>>>> to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no 
>>>> way that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.
>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you don't want to use the library, then you're out of luck. I
>>>> personally like the library.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret 
>>>>>>>> Jr
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes
>> library?
>>>> that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell
>>>> <wrestling.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>> iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only 
>>>>>>>> allows you
>>>> to cue up songs in the library though.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rfore...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file 
>>>>>>>> using
>>>> finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I 
>>>> know that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you 
>>>>>>>> could even
>>>> do that.
>>>>>>>> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and 
>>>>>>>> refuses
>>>> to read with jaws when you show it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret 
>>>>>>>> Jr
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to 
>>>>>>>> add files
>>>> to my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally fresh 
>>>> OS reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it was not 
>>>> permitted to add the files themselves to the Library.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?  
>>>>>>>> Is
>>>> this possible?
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes to
>>>> navigating around the UI. On Windows, there's even more tabbing 
>>>> around than there used to be, and that annoys me. Thankfully, 
>>>> however, I use it primarily on the Mac.
>>>>>>>> As far as libraries, yes, it still uses them, although I'm not 
>>>>>>>> quite
>>>> sure why you'd need 2 copies of each file. You can tell iTunes to 
>>>> not place the files in the media folder itself when you copy them to 
>>>> the library, therefore freeing up that drive space you say you lose.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: 
>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.
>>>>>>>> com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What are the primary differences we can expect in ITunes 11 from 
>>>>>>>> what
>>>> you've seen so far?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am operating on the assumption that this version of ITunes is 
>>>>>>>> still
>>>> as library dependant as the other versions have been.  IF so, it 
>>>> will mean that, when I start rebuilding my audio collection from 
>>>> scratch again, and if this collection consists of files I record 
>>>> myself, I will need to have two copies of each file; one in the 
>>>> original location and the other in my ITunes library.  I'd really 
>>>> rather not do
>>> that.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Clutters up drive space.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:10 PM, "Daniel Miller" 
>>>>>>>> <miller...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I can say it works amazing with VO, not so much so on the 
>>>>>>>> Windows side of things.
>>>>>>>> Everything's perfectly accessible, buttons are labeled, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
>>>>>>>> Ring
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:23 PM
>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I love the fact that any Mac can be made blind friendly so easily.
>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Subject line says it all. Itunes 11 with simplified player and 
>>>>>>>> redesigned store is now available for download. I haven't tried 
>>>>>>>> it yet and don't plan to until my husband puts it on his Mac and 
>>>>>>>> I can see
>>>> how it works with vo.
>>>>>>>> Oh the joys of having the screen reader built in to all Macs!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mary Otten
>>>>>>>> motte...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
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