The one view I always liked in prior versions of iTunes was the table view showing all the tracks of an album and the detail columns that go with them. I discovered that if I choose the Songs view instead of Album or Artist, I not only get the table list view back but I can also get the column view back as well. And while interacting with the music table, I can use VO-J to toggle around between the player, Music Browser and the Music table. That never worked properly for me in older iTunes versions. The new grid views seem strange to me but there are so many different ways to configure this thing, it's pleasant news to be able to get a view that can just about please everyone.
Right now, I'm using the Songs view with Sidebar turned off but status line turned on. Plus I have the column view enabled. This is really working good for me. On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:37 AM, KJSC radio <kjsc.ra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, while it may seem different in iTunes, Like many people have said, > the few options are the way to go if you want iTunes to look and feel mostly > like normal again. Yeah while it seems like apple made iTunes complex this > time around, their are 2 choices you can make… For example, you can choose to > live with the new interface which I have decided to do for a bit or you can > choose to see if there are ways to make iTunes appear normal again… Just > thoughtI would bring that up… I would like to say though that I love the up > ned feature!!! I find this useful especially, when I'm doing enter net radio > broadcasting with nice cast on my station and if someone requests a song that > I have in my library, I could just go into the songs view, search for the > song, find it and VO shift M on that and choose add to next up!!! I love that > because I would just make it crossfade to the next song just by doing that… > well, have a good day all. > On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> You're exactly right John. I am ashamed of myself for the prior comments I >> made, and I humbly ask that you all please accept my apology. I acted like >> a jerk! >> >> >> >> Thank you kindly, >> >> Christopher-Mark Gilland. >> Founder of CLG Productions >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Panarese" <jpanar...@gmail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:11 PM >> Subject: Re: ITunes 11 is absolutely perverted! in my opinion! >> >> >> If you look in the view menu and hit enter on, show Side bar, you do have a >> source list visible. You then can use control-option-j to jump from the >> source list to other areas and back. You can also use the VoiceOver web >> navigation commands as well, such as VO-command-j or even option-tab. >> >> My suggestion is look at the menus and experiment a bit before you jump to >> conclusions. It's certainly different, but I would not call it "perverted" >> in the least. Be patient and explore and tinker. We all have to learn it >> and find techniques and tips to pass along to one another. >> >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> Twitter, @macfortheblind >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 29, 2012, at 10:32 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" >> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> OK, I don't normally bitch about Apple 峰roducts, but I have to say, what in >>> the cottin pickin heck! was Apple thinking! Maybe I am just not very >>> patient, but this is absolutely disgusting! from what I am so far seeing. >>> >>> First of all, I hear people saying the interface is much simpiler? OK, how >>> do you figure that? You're entitled certainly to you all's own opinions, >>> but lookat. Let me give my! point a vew. >>> >>> First of all, the sources list is totally 100% gone. Granted it's in a >>> popup button now, which is fine, except that they put it way smished in the >>> darn middle of the screen it seems. This means without the item chooser, >>> it's a pain in the butt! to get to that popup button. I can't even jump >>> over a lot of things by pressing vo+down arrow instead of right arrow. If >>> I do that, there really is no way to get with vo+down arrow to the source >>> popup, as it's on the top most row of the screen, so down would take me too >>> low, and vo+up won't work, as you kind a already are! on the top upper most >>> column of the screen, so... there went that! idea. Second of all, at least >>> that I so far can see, though I could be incorrect on this assumption, and >>> dear God I hope that I am, there is no longer a list view. It's totally >>> grid based now. Not that this is really per sey an issue, but it does make >>> navigating a little bit more confusing, I'll sure as heck tell you that! >>> >>> OK, let's talk about something that for a change I do! actually like. I >>> love the fact that they have given us the option of sorting our music by >>> songs, artist, playlist, genre, or even album just by hitting vo+space on >>> whichever button near the top of the screen. In that sense, I think that >>> was an excellent idea. No, I'm not being sarcastic at all! I mean it! >>> That really was pretty cool. The only issue is, say you go under albums. >>> Now you go to the bottom of the screen and interact with the grid. I'm >>> finding that pressing vo+down arrow after doing so is only reading the >>> first 13 or so things in the list. Past this point, it insists to only say >>> row 14, row 15, row 16, etc. it won't read the album. Not only this, but >>> with the ones it does read, it's only telling me the album title, and not >>> the artist along with it, so I have no way necessarily of knowing who the >>> album is by, unless I'm already familiar with the disc. Fortunately, I >>> know my music quite well, so thus, I usually can tell who the disc is by, >>> but that could change down the road. >>> >>> Here's something else really gross in my view. I did a search while in >>> album view sorting for "Testify to Love." Once I did this, I noticed as I >>> typed, it made the most God! aweful! sound I've ever heard from my macbook >>> speakers. Scared the buh Jesus! outta me! Anyway, rellavant as that is, >>> LOL! I then vo+right arrowed and found that it showed the results. I found >>> Testify to Love by Avalon from the A Maize of Grace album. So, I thought >>> ok, bingo! I hit vo+space on it. Ding? Ding ding? What the heck! >>> Finally I tried to stop interacting. Turns out, that stupid popup that >>> came up apparently was being interacted with. After I stopped, I was able >>> to access the grid, but all I saw was a grid of all the albums I had by >>> Avalon. Vo+Space on them doesn't seem to be doing anything more so than >>> bringing up the album details screen. Once in that screen, I saw where it >>> said songs, then it said 1. Testify to Love, and that was the only song >>> showing. I presume this is because that is the track that I searched for, >>> so it's not gonna populate the whole album. OK, fine, whatever. That >>> makes sense I guess, whatever. I hit vo+space on that. Again, let's hear >>> the nice ding dong merrily on high, the mackin bells are dingging. What >>> the birdy butt sky, I can't do a darn thing thing. OK, enough with my >>> smartass comments. You get the point though. >>> >>> Here's something else. Each device you have connected like an IPhone, or >>> an IPad, etc. apparently appears at the top of the screen, again, the very >>> top row, so forget vo+up or down to quickly get there. You gotta move >>> about 7 or so times to the right from the top left corner, so there again >>> went your really quick navigation. OK, fine, Voiceover hotspots to the >>> rescue, yeah, sure thing, but, that's ludicrus to have to do that just to >>> make very very vital points of the app easier to quickly access. I mean, >>> come? On! Give, me, a break! Before you flame me, and say, Chris? your >>> attitude is totally! uncalled for, let me just say this. For a new >>> Voiceover user, not that I am one, but let's only just for a moment say >>> that I were, this interface would be ridiculously! confusing! Is it >>> accessible? Yes. Extremely so, but just because it's accessible doesn't >>> mean it's clean. Frankly, this is probably the most disgusting interface >>> of any! Apple based app with the exception of IPhoto that I ever have seen >>> in my life! And before you say it, oh? baby? have I ever! contacted Apple >>> Accessibility regarding this. I was very polite, don't worry, but I did >>> tell them up front, between them over charging me for my last ITunes >>> purchase which by the way, they are refusing to refund, then other things I >>> won't go into here on list, plus then, now this? I mean God! Bless! >>> >>> Oh, here's one more thing, that popup that came up that I was automatically >>> interacting with when I did the search for Testify to love? I saw a button >>> in there for adding the track to up next. OK, based on the thread already >>> up here, I know now what that is, and it actually honestly sounds really >>> really awesome. It'll be great to queue things up like that with >>> crossfading enabled when I use Nicecast to do my internet broadcasts, but >>> here's the thing. I hit vo+space on that, and I guess it added it, but >>> then I went back up and hit play. Nothing played though what so ever. >>> >>> Frankly? I think I'm just gonna quit using ITunes and go v l c. This is >>> ridiculous! If I need music, apps, etc. I'll just use my i o s devices. >>> I'm sorry, but this is down right yuck in my book. >>> >>> Before you say anything, let me say this final comment then I'll be done, I >>> swear. Most of you, probably not all, but a ton of you probably are gonna >>> write me back either on list or off, most likely on, and try imbarrassing >>> the heck outta me either purposefully or not, by saying my attitude is >>> totally unacceptable, and that more so my choice of slang is only more to >>> show my ignorance. Allow me to say this. I do all my work business wize >>> with the help of I O S and my copy of ITunes. Whether that is promoting my >>> debut single in ITunes by playing it for people I meet on my phone, or it's >>> me using my phone as a calendar/roledex, or it's me using apps like LookTel >>> or whatever, to simplify my independence. The bottom line is: ITunes for >>> me is a big! big! deal. To not have good access to it is extremely! >>> extremely! irritating. I never said I can't, nor will, get the hang >>> eventually of the new version, and frankly, like it or not, I really don't >>> have much of a choice in the matter. I understand that. So, I'll >>> apologize firstly and foremost in advance to anyone whom this e-mail may >>> offend with my wordage, or verbiage there of, but understand that when you >>> have an app that works so fantasticly, then companies think that they have >>> to implement eye candy and totally middle F*** the interface, that makes me >>> extremely! angry. If it's not broken, then God, darnit? don't fixit! I >>> dono why for so many companies, that's so hard to understand. >>> >>> OK, enough sauga. I'm off to learn this new damned thing. Anyone wanna >>> gamble with me if I figure it out or not? LOL! Just kidding. Hey! 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