Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue
Hi The Jammie shuttle person was very positive in his reply and requested a meeting, but I didn't want to schedule a meeting before the bid decision. It works in our favour that we don't need exclusive use of the Jammies, so I expect we would be able to run on term time schedule for possibly a supplementary fee - aka I see this as a convenient and effective solution. (I am on campus as a postgraduate to whom holidays don't apply and use these year-round without a problem) On Monday, January 26, 2015, Stefano Rivera wrote: > Hi Richard (2015.01.18_02:13:13_+0200) > > Will the Jammie buses run while we are on site? If not, could we rent > > those when need be? > > This is not yet known. They do usually run on a reduced schedule during > holidays, though. > > SR > > -- > Stefano Rivera > http://tumbleweed.org.za/ > +1 415 683 3272 > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue
Hi https://www.uct.ac.za/students/services/jammie/maps/vac/ The one to town is to the Hiddingh campus. This is currently the holiday schedule until 31 January so gives you a good idea of off peak times. Stefano, I'm busy with a big deadline. Could you please archive these times if necessary, as the page will be updated to term schedules from February? Regards B On Monday, January 26, 2015, Richard Hartmann wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:57 AM, Stefano Rivera > wrote: > > This is not yet known. They do usually run on a reduced schedule during > > holidays, though. > > Can you document this schedule? > > > Richard > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue
Hi Richard That is correct. People tend to not want to take any form of public transport after dark in South Africa. Students usually drive here or share private taxis back. We did obtain quotes for 'dinner shuttles' - 14 seater buses to be used ad hoc, see https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town/Potential_Venues#Transport_jottings This may be a weak point of this venue, but at any other venue we would have to organise transport after dark as well, and possibly right through the day too. I did get the idea from the UCT Jammie person that we could arrange extra trips at an additional cost. We will compare that cost to the quotes we already obtained from the private coach companies. regards B On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Martín Ferrari wrote: > Hi Bernelle, > > On 26/01/15 17:38, Bernelle Verster wrote: > > > https://www.uct.ac.za/students/services/jammie/maps/vac/ > > > > The one to town is to the Hiddingh campus. > > > > This is currently the holiday schedule until 31 January so gives you a > > good idea of off peak times. > > If I read correctly, this means that the last bus leaves town at 6 on > weekdays, and that there are no afternoon/evening buses on the weekend. > > So, no chance of going to town for shopping, sight-seeing, or just > grabbing a beer without the need for a taxi back. > > I presume students usually drive? > > IMHO, this is a critically weak point of that venue. > > -- > Martín Ferrari (Tincho) > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue
Martin, On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Martín Ferrari wrote: > Bernelle, > > On 27/01/15 10:38, Bernelle Verster wrote: > > > That is correct. People tend to not want to take any form of public > > transport after dark in South Africa. Students usually drive here or > > share private taxis back. > > Do you know how much would be the cost of a taxi at night to get from > downtown into campus? > As far as I can remember it used to be about R100. > > > We did obtain quotes for 'dinner shuttles' - 14 seater buses to be used > > ad hoc, see > > > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town/Potential_Venues#Transport_jottings > > Right, but I worry more about the daily trips that attendees will make. > It would be silly to stay in town and commute daily to the debconf venue, in my opinion... We are only considering venues with very close accommodation. > > > This may be a weak point of this venue, but at any other venue we would > > have to organise transport after dark as well, and possibly right > > through the day too. > > Oh. I understood that the other venue option would be of walking > distance of most amenities. Can you elaborate on this? > I think there might be a perception here that town is where most is happening, which I think is not necessarily the case. Cape Town, as most of South Africa, has extensive urban sprawl, and the places to hang out are clustered in suburbs. Every suburb has it's 'feel' and it's famous eateries and attractions. So all venues will have walking distance amenities (Cape Town team please correct me or elaborate?). The university campus is also walking distance from amenities, getting back to the venue just has a steep uphill. It's just getting to town proper that is a bit more of a mission. In my personal view, town is a touristy thing or a weekend-ey thing to do, and to do once and once only. I think from a long ago discussion we're more similar to the US in our urban design than Europe, but may be completely off the ball here. > > -- > Martín Ferrari (Tincho) > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue
Hi Gunnar On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Hi Bernelle, > > > That is correct. People tend to not want to take any form of public > > transport after dark in South Africa. Students usually drive here or > share > > private taxis back. > > This brings another questions: If walking after dark is dangerous, and > people don't take public transport either after dark, how safe are > taxis? For context: Many people in my country (Mexico) rely on having > the phone number of a known taxi base, as they don't trust grabbing a > random taxi on the street. How is that subject in South Africa? > I'm the wrong person to ask about safety as I don't consider it dangerous - any more than in any other place, but yes, safety is a hotly contested issue. For me it is more about poor public transport services - the options we have stop running, so you can get stuck. As far as I am aware of, taxi's are safe across the board. Having an idea how far you want to go and calculating a price that you then discuss with the driver before starting the journey will prevent over-charging (even with the meters). > > > We did obtain quotes for 'dinner shuttles' - 14 seater buses to be used > ad > > hoc, see > > > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town/Potential_Venues#Transport_jottings > > Right, although that would constrain us to meeting at specific > times. A good help, of course, but still likely to leave people > stranded. > I am wondering if we should also consider trying to get a deal with rental car companies, and doing some sort of 'internal Uber', where the people who really want to, can rent a car as long as they offer trips to others, and then we can provide cash for fuel or something like that. Then supplement with coaches/buses for the trips with larger attendance... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue
Lol, the fancier hotels are *out* of town. :) There are a few fancy ones in town, especially around the international conference centre (CTICC), but they're so uppity I can't stand them. Don't think they're value for money either, the CTICC isn't. My favourite fancy hotel is in Newlands, walking distance (albeit half an hour or so?) from campus: http://www.vineyard.co.za/ Incidentally some of my favourite pubs - Barristers and Forries are en route. (Coincidence, I think not) There's so many hotels with their own offerings - nature or vibey or fancier or whatever, that people will just have to see what they really like and find it on a map, we can advise on the details (If we get the bid we'll certainly do work on a recommended list!) The hotels are also clustered around suburbs, and conference centres - we're really spoilt for choice! Even downtown party'ing there's other options than town too, there's not a 'central' place where ll the people go party... On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Hi again, Bernelle :) > > > > > We did obtain quotes for 'dinner shuttles' - 14 seater buses to be > used > > > > ad hoc, see > > > > > > > > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town/Potential_Venues#Transport_jottings > > > > > > Right, but I worry more about the daily trips that attendees will make. > > > > > It would be silly to stay in town and commute daily to the debconf venue, > > in my opinion... We are only considering venues with very close > > accommodation. > > There's always a group of people who choose to stay in a "fancier" > hotel than what most of the sponsored attendees get. Would they be > able to stay nearer the venue? > > > > > This may be a weak point of this venue, but at any other venue we > would > > > > have to organise transport after dark as well, and possibly right > > > > through the day too. > > > > > > Oh. I understood that the other venue option would be of walking > > > distance of most amenities. Can you elaborate on this? > > > > I think there might be a perception here that town is where most is > > happening, which I think is not necessarily the case. Cape Town, as most > of > > South Africa, has extensive urban sprawl, and the places to hang out are > > clustered in suburbs. Every suburb has it's 'feel' and it's famous > eateries > > and attractions. So all venues will have walking distance amenities (Cape > > Town team please correct me or elaborate?). The university campus is also > > walking distance from amenities, getting back to the venue just has a > steep > > uphill. It's just getting to town proper that is a bit more of a mission. > > In my personal view, town is a touristy thing or a weekend-ey thing to > do, > > and to do once and once only. > > > > I think from a long ago discussion we're more similar to the US in our > > urban design than Europe, but may be completely off the ball here. > > OK, this is an important point which I think slipped for most of us. I > also had the understanding this campus was basically set away from > everything. If there are enough amenities to keep people happy and > entertained, the need to go downtown will be much diminished. Maybe, > yes, we could organize a (or some) night group trip to the downtown, > as we also have the right to see the touristy stuff ;-) > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:16 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Tiago Bortoletto Vaz [2015-01-27 15:05 > +0100]: > > That sounds a good idea. Interested people would definitely be > > able to organize shifts in the wikipage once we have some cars > > available. This has happened with private attendees cars in the > > past. > > I am afraid no global rental car company will enter such a deal for > insurance reasons, so either you find a local one or, uh, buy a few > cars and prepare to sell them after the conference ;) > > I was more thinking people who want to rent their own cars, rent it in their own name, and we can reimburse fuel or so on. The deal with the rental company may be a discount for debconf attendees - but they get rented so often I'm not sure they'd need the marketing, but one can try. -- > .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft > : :' : DebConf orga team > `. `'` > `- DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org > DebConf16: Cape Town or Montreal? > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Food [Re: Registration questions]
Hi
I'm just reading this to pick up for DC16... It may be helpful to think,
what do you REALLY want to know, and could you ask that?
How about a tick box, "would you mind/agree to eat vegetarian meals (no
meat/fish - you choose the words here) for the official/provided conference
meals?"
If not, what would you require (e.g. 2 meat meals a week...)?
Perhaps do this as a survey to past attendees? Might be messy, but will
give a representative feedback, no? Perhaps we just need to move away from
the archaic categorisation altogether.
So instead of forcing people into boxes, perhaps frame the tick boxes and
supportive open fields to what it is you really want to know?
hope this helps, still new to this :)
Bernelle Verster (indiebio)
Cape Town, South Africa (DC16)
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:52 PM, martin f krafft
wrote:
> also sprach Anthony Towns [2015-02-23 03:25 +0100]:
> > given there's a "meat+fish" option, I'd probably read "Food
> > preferences: None" as "Don't give me any food, I'll go elsewhere";
> > or maybe "I'll eat anything" and expect it to be the same as the
> > same as the meat+fish option. If it really means "lacto-ovo
> > vegetarian" probably better to be a bit more
> > explicit.
>
> Noted. So instead of "none", maybe "default (lacto-ovo vegetarian)"?
> But I think we should probably also add a sentence or two into the
> form to explain that this year is slightly different than the past.
>
> > (If the baseline is appropriately nutritious vegetarian meals, it
> > might be reasonable to just tell people that -- ie, not have
> > a meat+fish option at all -- and suggest that they go to
> > a restaurant or foodtruck etc if they want a steak or a burger?
> > Assuming there are such things somewhere nearby, anyway.
>
> For DC15, this is unfortunately not reasonable as outside places
> aren't that close and we'd rather avoid the venue clearing out for
> meal times. Also, I don't think the venue is quite ready for that
> yet. They are far ahead of German standards, but not quite ready yet
> to go completely vegetarian. Not sure we'd want that either, since
> part of DebConf is sampling local culture and food, and German food
> is traditionally quite meat-y.
>
> > Isn't it usual to have a free-form text field for this? Makes it
> > a bit easier, and a bit less risk of requirements getting lost in
> > email shuffle. ("Additional dietary restrictions:" perhaps, after
> > choosing meat/veg/vegan as a baseline)
>
> I think this is a good idea. Thanks.
>
> > Based on someone's experience at LCA this year, might be worth putting
> in a
> > "don't add jokes in this field, thanks!" to save people from themselves:
> >
> >
> http://lists.lca2015.linux.org.au/pipermail/chat/2015-January/000620.html
>
> Hehe. Never happened to me, and I've been writing "needs craft beer
> with every meal intake" into my LCA form every single time I went ;)
>
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[Debconf-team] Fwd: TEDx mobile app attendee profile?
Hi all I've been reluctant to send this for fear of it being a red herring and incurring the wrath of the devs, but here goes. (So be gentle!) It has potential as a CMS and/or attendee app... please feel free to contact the devs, Carla and Craig directly, please cc me in. Carla also said that "FYI, the apps might crash. I don't think the server is running anymore This stuff hasn't been touched since last year. So probably best to check out the source code." regards B -- Forwarded message -- From: Carla Goldstein Date: Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:46 PM Subject: Re: TEDx mobile app attendee profile? To: justin beswick Cc: Bernelle Verster , Craig Wattrus < cwatt...@gmail.com> Hey Bernelle Thanks for reaching out. For last year's event we made an app which was basically a digital version of the programme. You can check them out here: Play store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tedx.capetown.app&hl=en iStore: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tedxct-2014/id903430921?ls=1&mt=8 You can view the source code here: https://github.com/TEDxCT They are pretty standard, nothing fancy. All the code is native (objective C and Java) and not very well documented :/ It looks as if you are needing an attendee login though? We didn't get that far, but I am hoping to add that in version 2. The original TED sponsored TEDx apps (remember AppBaker?) used something called WeLink <https://welink.com/> which I think was somehow using Eventbrite <https://www.eventbrite.com/> in a pretty crappy way. I don't know much about open source attendee management, but maybe you can make use of the google+ and facebook login APIs to manage users. I havent started working on the apps again this year due to time, but if you have devs interested in collaborating I'd be keen to explore that (maybe from June only though). Let me know if you have anymore questions! Carla Goldstein CTO TEDxCapeTown +27 83 543 1791 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:45 AM, justin beswick wrote: > Will leave that to Carla/Craig to mention and/or point people to, cc'd here > > @carla/craig - Bernelle is putting on a Debian Dev conference and they're > wanting to build out an app for it, so our thoughts were: > > 1) could we collaborate with some of their devs to do further work on the > platfrom and apps we're working on > 2) can we share our code for iOS and Adroid app and they use or do further > work on them > > We're both doing so with Open Source in mind, so could be a mutually > beneficial project to do together? > > Justin > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Bernelle Verster > wrote: > >> Can you give me more info and I'll take it to the team with our weekly >> meeting and then get back to you - do the dev's have a technical >> description of it they can share? Can also ask the clug people - cape linux >> users group, but they do more than linux. >> Thanks! >> >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:16 AM, justin beswick >> wrote: >> >>> Yeah, so we can give you the code we had already for the prior apps..but >>> reckon best would be for the team to share the current work they're doing >>> and see if the developers from Debian Dev conference would be keen to >>> assist and/or continue from where Carla and Craig have left off? >>> Best for me to put them in touch with you and your team directly - do >>> you have anyone on your team leading on the app component? >>> >>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Bernelle Verster >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, I thought there was existing stuff out there, I remember it being >>>> all the rage a few years ago. >>>> >>>> My guys need very specific stuff, and they're all developers - the >>>> conference is the Debian Developers conference. So they would want the code >>>> to hack, and it probably won't be required to have your finished stuff. Is >>>> it somewhere online available to be forked (made a copy of) perhaps? >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Justin >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey B, >>>>> >>>>> Best we chat on Skype? We've built a whole platform for events, which >>>>> includes mobile apps etc and its all open source..so anyone in or outside >>>>> of TEDx can use it..but need to know when u need it by, as best for us to >>>>> finish off on some key components before others use it? >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> Please excuse email for
[Debconf-team] Fwd: Protea Hotel Mowbray Enquiry
Hi all Based on previous DCs, including DC15, how many people liked staying in hotels? I'm trying to figure out the estimated split between el cheapo accommodation (university residence) and hotels. regards B -- Forwarded message -- From: Protea, INFO HDQPR Date: Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:23 AM Subject: RE: Protea Hotel Mowbray Enquiry To: "bernel...@gmail.com" Dear Valued GUEST, Thank you very much for your email and interest in Protea Hotels. In response to your below email, it would therefore be much appreciated if you can advise how many people will be travelling as well as your requested arrival and departure dates in order for further assistance in this regards. Your assistance will be highly appreciated. Thanking you and kind regards, Lindy Hess on behalf of Info Global Reservations Sales & Customer Care - Tel: (021) 430-5000 · Fax: (021) 430-5355 E-mail: protea.hdqpr.i...@proteahotels.com Web: www.proteahotels.com - · Winner of 2 World Travel Awards for Best Hotel Group in Africa · Winner of 3 Sunday Times Markinor Top Hotel Brand Awards · Winner of 6 Sunday Times Generation Next Awards for the Coolest Hotel Group Disclaimer: Please follow link: http://www.proteahotels.com/Pages/terms-conditions.aspx#ecd "Protea Hotels is dedicated to ensuring the longevity of our business for generations to come, through responsibly managing our impact on the environment, our employees and the communities in which we operate". -Original Message- From: bernel...@gmail.com [mailto:bernel...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 6:48 PM To: Protea, INFO HDQPR Subject: Protea Hotel Mowbray Enquiry Hi We are organising the international Debian Developers Conference to be held in Cape Town early July 2016 (next year). Can you tell me your room prices please? Are there discounts for block bookings? thanks Bernelle Verster ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Plan to organise a one-day workshop pre-DebConf
Hi For what it's worth, bearing in mind that I am new to DebConf, I think this is a good idea, and I would like to know more about how the first workshop went, and if it happens again in August, how that one went. (I have not replied privately before) My thoughts: Stating explicitly that this is independent is needed, just to cover bases. On the other hand I see no problem with it being associated with DebConf. It's Debian associated, and a conference-related activity. Why is the fee required? Obviously to cover costs, but seen from the outside - how does it justify it in terms of DebConf? I would imagine that businesses would want a different setup, perhaps confidential and this would imply a cost?? Otherwise just to select against people 'just showing up'? This would have been better received if it was communicated in detail to the wider team earlier - which we should address for future cases. best regards Bernelle On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Martín Ferrari wrote: > On 16/07/15 14:57, martin f krafft wrote: >> Oh? I wasn't aware of this opinion of "DebConf", and I've received >> two private replies so far from orga team members who thought the >> idea was great and who offered their support. > > Sadly, I did not see them. Ask them to speak up publicly then, and we > can have a debate. Until that, it is an unverifiable claim and thus, > irrelevant. > > -- > Martín Ferrari (Tincho) > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf15 open weekend admittance
Hi all I'm not in depth with the issues here, but as a newbie, I was really interested in the public key idea (I've been so vigorously getting keys signed, it's embarrassing). I'm guessing people won't be able to generate their own fully fledged keys on the spot, but perhaps some mock-up/greatly simplified version to show them the steps, combined with, say, an introductory lecture on cyber security? So, almost gimmicky but rooted in real life. In my opinion the people coming will be curious and a bit geeky already... On the cyber security, I'm not sure if the FB, twitter etc auth is a good way to go... Just my half thought through two cents :) Bernelle (indiebio on IRC) On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:43 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Karsten Merker [2015-07-27 23:57 +0200]: > > Maybe I am misunderstanding something here, but AFAICS this would > > mean that every potential visitor would have to create an alioth > > account to be able to log into summit, which might be a relatively > > big deterrence for "normal" people, in particular for locals who > > might read about DebConf in the local press and come by to take > > a look. > > I think front desk will be prepared to handle day visitors with > lesser administrative effort on-site. If Nattie could confirm this, > then we should probably amend the PR just a bit in this direction. > > > Since you brought up the subject — and I think you have good points: > > I agree with you that the whole Alioth dance is way more trouble > than I find it worth, and I hope next year, we'll find a better > solution. SSO is great of course, but IMHO we should/could > > - also allow users to create quick accounts right there, or even > offer the use of Twitter, G+, FB etc. as auth-providers > > - completely detach all registration data from authentication and > allow one authenticated user to create multiple registrations, > e.g. for their family members of co-workers, or well, for > front-desk to register day visitors. > > -- > .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft > : :' : DebConf orga team > `. `'` > `- DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org > DebConf16: Cape Town: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Buttons for DC16 at DebConf15: what to do?
Hi all! We managed to get buttons made, advertising DebConf16 in Cape Town (image attached). There are 600 in total, 400 with a Table Mountain design, and 200 more of the various colours. I have two questions please: 1. How should we distribute them? Are they to be sold as merch, or given out at will by the DC16 team, or what? 2. If we do decide to sell them, what is the procedure, for how much? They cost ZAR5, which is less than 50 Euro cents. We could sell them for 1 EURO and use the profit for small costs, but on the flip side, this means we need to collect money and stuff. Please advise. regards B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Buttons for DC16 at DebConf15: what to do?
Lol, in the 'silence does not constitute approval' vein, if I don't get a response, current consensus from the DC16 members in attendance is to give them out. Tammy and myself both have some, if you want, come get. :P I paid for these, so if we don't get budget for this eventually, I'll be sponsoring them. They're beautiful, I don't mind. :) ciao B On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Hi all! > > We managed to get buttons made, advertising DebConf16 in Cape Town > (image attached). There are 600 in total, 400 with a Table Mountain > design, and 200 more of the various colours. > > I have two questions please: > > 1. How should we distribute them? Are they to be sold as merch, or > given out at will by the DC16 team, or what? > > 2. If we do decide to sell them, what is the procedure, for how much? > They cost ZAR5, which is less than 50 Euro cents. We could sell them > for 1 EURO and use the profit for small costs, but on the flip side, > this means we need to collect money and stuff. > > Please advise. > > regards > B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Coordination] Timeline changes proposal for DC16
Hi all I'm supposed to be on holiday and offline, but I've started having dreams about this thread, so... I've adapted the thread onto our Timeline [1], and copied relevant bits below. I resisted the temptation to put this onto the wider timeline [2] as well, so we can test it first. Comments welcome, but this can only be finalised after DC16 team discussion and some registration system considerations (Next IRC meeting is on 9 September, but these dates are going to be a bit of a moving target). Overall, I am very happy with where the conversation is at. B [1] - https://debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Timeline [2] - https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Timeline January (-6 months): EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Expression of intent opens 18 January 2016 (I just put in a date to get a deadline going, this can be altered by discussion) Fields filled in (tick boxes): * I am interested in attending DebCamp16 * I am interested in attending DebCamp16 * I would possibly require sponsorship for food * I would possibly require accommodation sponsorship * I would possibly require travel sponsorship * I am submitting a talk proposal (with an attachment field?) * I am considering bringing a family/more than just myself attending * Email required/have an (Alioth?) account: Join mailing list to get notified when registration opens. (I don't know what the best way to do this is, considering that the registration system may not be 100% functional at this stage yet, and might not really be needed at this stage) * EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Send reminder on 29 January 2016: Sponsorship requests, Talk submissions close Monday 29 February 2016 * EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Send reminder on 17 February 2016: Sponsorship requests, Talk submissions close Monday 29 February 2016 * EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Sponsorship requests, Talk submissions close Monday 29 February 2016 EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Registration opens Saturday 2 April 2016 Fields required: * Dates of attendance (rather than a range, tick off every day from e.g. 28 June to 9 July?) * Food required (sponsored or paid for) * Accommodation required (Sponsored or paid for) * T-shirt size * Allergies/accessibility concerns we should plan for...?? etc INTERNAL BIG DEADLINE: Bursaries, Content team make decisions by 17 April 2016 (May need date adjustment for easter...) EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Announce bursaries on Monday 24 April 2016, EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Announce bare-bones schedule on Monday 24 April 2016, - times of talks at least, perhaps some highlighted speakers if possible. EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Official registration closes 9 May 2016. After this date, there are no guaranteed swag bags, T-shirts or printed name badges. Attendees can no longer be sponsored, except in extreme cases. (Wording...) [todo] Find out: Last date to register for accommodation at the venue... On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Michael Banck wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:38:34PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: >> I would even consider *not* calling it pre-registration, as that is >> too close to "registration". Maybe "enrollment" instead? > > Other conferences just require that you have an account to submit > proposals or request sponsorship. Why couldn't we do this as well? > > > Michael > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Getting the DC15 final report done (sprint: 2015-08-31 1900 UTC)
Hi all I would like to help, but I am on conference until 3 September. Tammy and Siri (copied in) has been working on a possible layout. Siri, Tammy, can you please share the location of the draft layout to this list to get input? This layout will be on scribus. Regards B On Sunday, August 30, 2015, Margarita Manterola wrote: > HI, > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Michael Banck > wrote: > > > In related news, I started a skeleton DC15 report during DebCamp and uli > > Scholler said he would help with typesetting again. On the other hand, > > I heard from the DC16 camp that they might try scribus this time. > > I did scribus for DC8 and would be happy to do it for DC15 as well. I > believe it looks much much nicer. I do think that it's DC15's report > and it's DC15's responsibility to get it out, though. > > I know this is not how it's been for the past years, but I think that > the right thing to do is that the team that put out the conference is > the one that puts out the Final Report. > > -- > Besos, > Marga > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Patch to DebConf orgateam structure
Hi I feel the same as Nigel and Allison stated. I think from the discussion on this thread that the DC16 team that attended DC15 can be considered as part of the 'global' team, and that new volunteers would be considered local. I imagine these to be people who may only want to get involved with smaller or more specialised tasks, and not get involved in the greater strategy or whatever discussions. There was talk about merging the dc-team and dc16-team mailing lists, but I think now that we should keep the dc16 list for the per-task discussions, and as the 'global' component take special care to keep that list neutral and fun, and direct the flamewar-ey discussions to the dc-team list. I can volunteer to moderate that. What my team did in past events was to have sub-teams, mirroring the global team roles, but having micro-tasks assigned per person in the subteams (e.g. the visa help, child care, printing t-shirts, etc...). These volunteers did not know what was happening in the bigger e.g. DebConf world, and mostly they did not care. As main organiser I only learnt of their existence from names on task spreadsheets, and only saw them during the party after the event. In my last event there was more than a hundred of these volunteer people by the time the event happened (half of them were involved in event set-up, so joined in the week before, and were given a training day the day before the event - this would translate to set-up, and registration for DC16, I think). My link to them was through a person in my core team heading up the sub-team (We started with three people, which grew to 15 people in the 'core'/global team by the time the event happened) - which at DC16 would likely be the DC16 people who attended DC15. What was critical here was feedback to and fro from core/global team to the subteams, as well as report back - here this is the weekly IRC meeting. Hope this makes sense. Yes, this approach violates the 'everyone should know everything' of DebConf, but I think with good reason, and if they do want to know something, that route is still public, it's just not rammed down their throats, and they're not in every single one of the million discussions, so they don't get email fatigue. I'm guessing that the sub-teams for things like video would have volunteers from South Africa as well as abroad, so the sub-teams are also not strictly 'local'. regards B On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 4:28 AM, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:14:01PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote: >> On 08/29/2015 03:01 AM, Margarita Manterola wrote: >> > When I advocate for the local team it's not for these people, but for >> > the volunteers that will show up along the way. For those volunteers, >> > joining debconf-team is traumatic. There's too many flamewars, too >> > many things going on at the same time, and they have no idea how to >> > fit into the already existing structures, they just want to help. >> >> One thing we need to work on is reducing those flamewars. They're not >> helpful to anyone. We absolutely need to improve communication and >> collaboration in the whole team. Remember, long-term team members aren't >> immune to being driven away by an unhealthy environment. > > I've been wanting to say much the same. The unhealthy environment is one > of the main reasons I stopped participating for many months earlier this > year. I'm sure I wasn't the only non-newcomer to walk away. I know that > wasn't a helpful reaction. At the same time I felt that venting my > frustrations and growing rage wouldn't have been helpful either. > > Also, non-local newcomers can be and probably have been put off by the > disfunctions in the overall team environment. > >> > We need those volunteers, we need to be able to delegate stuff towards >> > them, otherwise the DC16 organizing team has too big of a burden. But >> > asking those volunteers to join debconf-team, follow the tons of >> > discussions, follow the IRC meeting on #debconf-team, etc, has been >> > proven to be too much. They just don't, which makes it much harder to >> > integrate them so there's a high chance that you'll lose them. >> > >> > Of course, if any new recruits that join that local team feel like >> > they want to integrate into the global structure they are totally >> > welcome to join. It's not like being part of the local team precludes >> > taking part in content, fundraising, or any other teams. It's just >> > that it's not a pre-requisite to understand and fit into the structure >> > in order to volunteer for working towards DC16. >> >> That point was mentioned too. But again, all that requires is for local >> members of the DebConf team to make local volunteers feel welcome. >> Defining a "local team" doesn't help with that. > > A safe environment to discuss DebConf in a given year's local language > is one solid argument I've heard in the past in favor of a local team. I > don't recall seeing that mentioned in this thread thus far
Re: [Debconf-team] Getting the DC15 final report done (sprint: 2015-08-31 1900 UTC)
Hi I've added the layout file to git (debconf-data/dc16 Design/Debconf16_BrochureCVV_layout_22aug15.pdf Added brochure layout idea in pdf format to Design folder) >From here it is up to DC15 team to decide if they like it or not for a final report layout, and take it from there. regards B On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Tammy Manning wrote: > Haha thanks Siri yes I didn't communicate that, this is the Debconf16 > Sponsers Brochure proposal but was also to be viewed in case the layout is > liked, and the Debcon15 team would like to use it for the report, which we > are doing in scribus too. > >> In related news, I started a skeleton DC15 report during DebCamp and uli >> Scholler said he would help with typesetting again. On the other hand, >> I heard from the DC16 camp that they might try scribus this time. > > Regards > Tammy > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Siri Reiter wrote: >> >> Hello, >> (I took the liberty to re-organise the posting order; hope it's helpful >> and not confusing.) >> >> > On Sunday, August 30, 2015, Margarita Manterola >> > mailto:margamanter...@gmail.com>> >> > wrote: >> > I did scribus for DC8 and would be happy to do it for DC15 >> > as well. I >> > believe it looks much much nicer. I do think that it's >> > DC15's report >> > and it's DC15's responsibility to get it out, though. >> > >> > I know this is not how it's been for the past years, but I >> > think that >> > the right thing to do is that the team that put out the >> > conference is >> > the one that puts out the Final Report. >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Bernelle Verster >> > mailto:bernel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > [snip] Tammy and Siri (copied in) has been working on a >> > possible layout. Siri, Tammy, can you please share the location >> > of the draft layout to this list to get input? This layout will >> > be on scribus. >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Tammy Manning > > <mailto:mungoj...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > Apologies I thought I had saved it on the Source File/Tree but seems >> > as though not?? >> > I'll ask Stefano to maybe assist me. >> > >> > I have attached this one to the email and hope it is not too big. >> > >> > The Idea is to have Images and quotes with the copy, >> > during the up and comming week I will add all the info to the >> > Document as well as the Pics etc. >> > >> > Please let me know if it has arrived safely!! >> >> >> The attachment didn't go through. Attachments and lists don't work well >> together. (It should not have affected me, though, since it was sent to >> me directly.) >> >> What Tammy and I are currently working on is the Sponsor's brochure for >> DebConf16, and not the report for DebConf15. >> >> However, I'll be happy to set up the report in Scribus. Let me know if >> my assistence is needed. >> >> >> Kind regards >> Siri >> >> > > > > -- > MUNGO JOE > Tammy 082 674 9764 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Three things to note please
Hi team I would like you to take note of three things that we are busy developing, that was also briefly mentioned in last night's meeting. I want you to take note of them now, to start the bike-shedding and share ideas, while there is lots of time, and then we can use the bike-shedding as constructive input. Because we're so early, there are no hard deadlines or any things yet. 1. Team-builder event I want to contact a lady in Cape Town. She is involved in Arduino Cape Town, but she is also hosting weekly Maker events called Modern Alchemists [1]. I want to engage with her about a DebConf sponsored/hosted/contributed event to build our team and spread awareness. I have not contacted her yet, so I don't know requirements or budget or anything yet, will do so on the weekend. So this bike-shed has a bit of a deadline. Once I have contacted her and we've brainstormed a bit, I will feedback to you to share the ideas we came up with, so you can help us think and address any concerns. 2. ShowMeBox - outreach project The ShowMeBox is an idea hatched by two long time Debian people: Kris Rose and Jonas Smedegaard [2]. This is not an orga-related thing, it is organised independently, but I want to know if there are any concerns or things to take into account. I told Kris we'll have a meeting and start planning in earnest in October. 3. Information Art Exhibition - outreach/creative project While Kris was talking, this idea started taking shape in Tammy and my heads. It is really just an idea at this stage [3]. It is linked to the ShowMeBox idea in that the ShowMeBox could be used to generate some of the art (but that won't be a requirement). I would imagine these would be on display on poster boards or screens (especially if they're interactive) during DebConf, either at Open Day/Weekend or throughout the conference. It could also be organised independently (so won't burden orga). We really like this idea because it can bring in more people like myself and Tammy who haven't quite figured the whole Debian thing out yet but who could contribute, or just add another element to the wonder of Debian. And obviously it will be great publicity. [1] - https://www.facebook.com/groups/ModernAlchemistsZA/?fref=ts [2] - https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox [3] - https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings/2015-09-09#Information_Art_Exhibition Cheers Bernelle ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Three things to note please
Hi Daniel Not sure if I should copy in Jonas and/or Kris at this stage...? My understanding is that they won't use the Beaker, but that is where the idea started. They want to make an open Debian box (see the wiki). So I guess we could ask them what they want to achieve with this wider than DC16. I don't think Two Sigma is committed at this stage, but they may become... On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Daniel Lange wrote: > Am 10.09.2015 um 14:59 schrieb Bernelle Verster: > > 2. ShowMeBox - outreach project > The ShowMeBox is an idea hatched by two long time Debian people: Kris Rose > and Jonas Smedegaard [2]. This is not an orga-related thing, it is > organised independently, but I want to know if there are any concerns or > things to take into account. I told Kris we'll have a meeting and start > planning in earnest in October. [..] [2] https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox > <https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox> > > Beaker(notebook) is a product by two sigma, Kris' company. > > I'd not narrow it down to this product or type of visualization software. > A more general "call for challenges" (to sponsors) of what cool stuff to > do with a cubieboard (or other sponsored hardware) looks more open and less > of a two sigma thing to me. > > Other companies could then also post their challenges (FLOSS or even > Debian based only) and supply (their preferred) hardware in return. This > way you'd get more diverse exhibits for your Information Art Exhibition and > can provide the sponsoring opportunity to other companies as well. > E.g. Intel could sponsor NUCs or Edisons and people could do great stuff > with them based on Debian and other FLOSS to fulfill the challenge (e.g. to > be allowed to keep the hardware and have the chance to win a prize). Or HP > could sponsor Slates and ask people to make them innovative maths class > tools. > My feeling is your proposal might work for the ShowMeBox, depending on what the ShowMeBox team have in mind as their aim, and is definitely a way to go forward for the Art Exhibition. As this is a sponsoring opportunity, I'd consult with Brian and the > sponsors team how that could fit into the overall perks available and > whether it means (e.g.) a minimum amount of hardware sponsored or travel > sponsored for the three top submissions or a financial contribution to the > overall budget is in order to participate in this. > It is an opportunity for sponsors, but I don't want it in the brochure as it's not something we can promise, certainly not at this stage. So I don't want it merged into the perks. > > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Three things to note please
Hi Nigel On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Nigel Kukard wrote: > Hi team, > > On Thursday, September 10, 2015 02:59:39 PM Bernelle Verster wrote: > >Hi team > > > >I would like you to take note of three things that we are busy developing, > >that was also briefly mentioned in last night's meeting. I want you to > take > >note of them now, to start the bike-shedding and share ideas, while there > >is lots of time, and then we can use the bike-shedding as constructive > >input. > > > >Because we're so early, there are no hard deadlines or any things yet. > > > >1. Team-builder event > >I want to contact a lady in Cape Town. She is involved in Arduino Cape > >Town, but she is also hosting weekly Maker events called Modern Alchemists > >[1]. I want to engage with her about a DebConf > sponsored/hosted/contributed > >event to build our team and spread awareness. I have not contacted her > yet, > >so I don't know requirements or budget or anything yet, will do so on the > >weekend. So this bike-shed has a bit of a deadline. Once I have contacted > >her and we've brainstormed a bit, I will feedback to you to share the > ideas > >we came up with, so you can help us think and address any concerns. > > In terms of budget, for volunteers and kick-off like meets/sprints I'd say > a reasonable value is around 1k EUR in Rands in total. > Noted. > > The reason why I suggested paying for dinner on Tuesday for those > committing to tasks is that is a commitment being made to help us out (an > the cost per head is insanely cheap for a beer + pizza, $10 or so if you > conver to USD or like 6 EUR). To spark interest and excitement, this is a > very reasonable price to pay imho. > There was about ten people at that dinner. The people who were there and on the DC16 team were there in (mainly) CLUG capacity. The rest were there *only* in CLUG capacity. So it was in no way relevant to DebConf. Yes, DC discussions happened, but there were no new teammembers/tasks committed. So I feel rather strongly that it wasn't appropriate to use DC funds there. The event I propose may or may not have DC committed people, but the entire point of the event is to gain new teammates and let it be known that DebConf is coming to Cape Town. I think that's worth paying for. I do agree that things like team dinners or sprints to do e.g. website stuff or budget stuff or braais can be paid for by DC funds. It's practically slave labour :) I think once I've chatted to Robyn and we get a thumb-suck itemised budget, these issues may become more concrete and we can discuss it on a point-by-point basis. > > If we are to pay for another event just to gauge interest I'd start to > disagree with using DC funds. Unless we only cover something like pizza and > a beer for those making commitments. > > > -N > > > > DO NOT send email to this address: > nkukard2ae...@lbsd.net > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] This week's meetings...
Hi all Following on from last week's meetings [1]: There's three meetings that's supposed to happen this week. Can the people indicated (or if you feel you need to be indicated) please let me know 1) if these are scheduled already (and reply all with when), 2) if not, if you would like me to schedule it (and if so, the relevant people to please tell me their constraints) and 3) if you need anything from anyone that we should go poke on your behalf. (side note, how does one indent and number properly for the peeps who read email in terminal?) * 1. Weekly orga meeting - Stefano, has the dudle given a time yet? * 2. Website meeting - Tammy, Raoul, Simon Agenda: ** 0. Timeframe - get prelimanary deadlines for all components of website. - Bernelle can oversee this, but needs input from team. ** 1. Design - Tammy to coordinate, incl content ** 2. Front end design - Raoul to coordinate. [todo] incl templatizing, decide on static site type (wafer?), layout and UX and meta, wireframes, mockups, content matrix... "move information from the website to the wiki" ** 3. Back end design (wafer) - will this be part of the meeting, Simon? *3. Budget meeting/hack session - Team leads submit proposals, all who can hack out some informed thumbsucks - Nigel, what do you need me to do here? I don't think we have team leads to do this yet, I think we just work off DC15 and Nicaragua numbers, IMHO. ** what are the deadlines relating to budget? ** " I can submit a mail weekly to the ML with outstanding items?" Cheers B [1] - http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf16-capetown/2015/debconf16-capetown.2015-09-09-18.32.html ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Fwd: Three things to note please
Hi team, Daniel Feedback from ShowMeBox below. Regards B -- Forwarded message -- From: *Jonas Smedegaard* Date: Monday, September 14, 2015 Subject: Three things to note please To: showme-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org Hi Bernelle (and Daniel, if e.g. Bernelle forwards back...), [author of forwarded text reconstructed from seemingly its source at http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20150910.130505.09c8d001.en.html] Quoting Bernelle Verster (2015-09-14 10:46:44) > A note from the debconf-team... can you give input on this, and if > there are concerns (I don't understand enough to know if this is a > concern or not), we should brainstorm it while this is at an early > stage. Thanks for bringing it up! Quoting Daniel Lange (2015-09-10 13:05 UTC) > Beaker(notebook) is a product by two sigma, Kris' company. True, Beaker is developed at the company where Kris work. Obviously Kris therefore has a special interest in that particular tool (e.g. his company might permit him to spend company time working on the project if their product is used), and sponsoring from that company specifically may be affected by whether their software is included. That said, the project is *not* tied to Beaker Notebook. Let me quote the contexts at https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox with Beaker mentioned: > ShowMeBox will come loaded with the following software: > * Standard Debian GNU/Linux system. > * Web server. > * Web application for data analysis (such as Beaker, described below). and > Links: [...] > * http://beakernotebook.com - the Beaker notebook tool, open source > but not yet packaged for Debian; here is a Presentation on Beaker. > * https://jupyter.org/ - Jupyter is another open source notebook tool. [...] Our project is tied to Debian and a Notebook tool: Beaker Notebook seems the best FLOSS Notebook tool, but if not in Debian¹ in time for the contest, we may use iPython Notebook instead. > I'd not narrow it down to this product or type of visualization > software. > A more general "call for challenges" (to sponsors) of what cool stuff > to do with a cubieboard (or other sponsored hardware) looks more open > and less of a two sigma thing to me. Thanks, that is a valid concern and a (maybe) good suggestion. As mentioned at the wiki, we chose this style of competition to mimic an earlier similar competition => a potential to draw from a previous experience. Also, this competition raises students' attention to their own local community, something that resonates with me personally - a project about random "cool stuff" likely wouldn't have me involved. > Other companies could then also post their challenges (FLOSS or even > Debian based only) and supply (their preferred) hardware in return. > This way you'd get more diverse exhibits for your Information Art > Exhibition and can provide the sponsoring opportunity to other > companies as well. Our project involves composing a Debian Pure Blend for highschool data visualization contests, and shipping sponsored hardware for contestants. A project where sponsors would choose the topic of the contest is totally different. A project where sponsors shipped a Debian-ish a system they made for their devices (e.g. Raspbian) is a totally different project. > E.g. Intel could sponsor NUCs or Edisons and people could do great > stuff with them based on Debian and other FLOSS to fulfill the > challenge (e.g. to be allowed to keep the hardware and have the chance > to win a prize). Or HP could sponsor Slates and ask people to make > them innovative maths class tools. Sure, a *different* project could embrace *different* challenges than the ones we've embraced, like getting Debian kernel to work with Edison boards, or getting *any* Debian desktop to work with a touch-based interface like HP Slate. ...or could just be happy that some vendors wanted to sponsor stuff, ignoring evental incompatibilities with Debian. Sorry, I don't mean to shoot down your ideas, but they seem at best _parallel_ to our specific project. And concretely they are less appealing to me personally to get engaged in, so please take into account you may need to find volunteers to organize the competition if shifting the scope of it. > As this is a sponsoring opportunity, I'd consult with Brian and the > sponsors team how that could fit into the overall perks available and > whether it means (e.g.) a minimum amount of hardware sponsored or > travel sponsored for the three top submissions or a financial > contribution to the overall budget is in order to participate in this. That one seems not for us to comment on. Thanks for the critical input, - Jonas ¹ By "in Debian" I mean packaged officially and accepted by ftpmaster ing Debian at least unstable, from where we will likely backport to
Re: [Debconf-team] Three things to note please
Hi Kris
My sentiments are perfectly aligned with yours. I am trying to get the
greater team on board with this early, as they get anxious if they perceive
things jumped on them or done behind their back.
I see the components of this competition as 'pre-competitive': the
ShowMeBox is a Debian thing and other sponsors can join in, but I also
absolutely agree that with the effort involved, we can realistically only
do one competition/outreach initiative.
So, DebConf team, (also please see thread below):
1. How long would we need to decide yes, we are on board, or no?
2. What more information do we need to make this decision?
3. Can I give a deadline of mid-October to bikeshed about this?
4. In my mind it is a huge plus, aside from the benefits that Jonas and
Kris already mentioned, that we have two long-time Debian people
driving this, not to mention the rest of the team. I think this initiative
is really special. At the same time, I don't want the wider team to feel
rushed or... Well, I don't want to piss anyone off, basically.
Best regards
Bernelle
On Monday, September 14, 2015, Kristoffer Rose wrote:
> Dear Bernelle,
>
> In terms of feedback, I can say that what has gotten my colleagues inside
> Two Sigma excited about sponsoring this is that we can demonstrate that it
> is possible in local communities in Africa to do data analysis of locally
> available data, and in this way promote global awareness that data analysis
> is an important field of study that everyone can pursue. (And the best can
> even win a prize!)
>
> For Two Sigma it is an added incentive that we can promote that we
> contributed to this being possible by releasing Beaker into open source, so
> I would like the project to use Beaker if possible, however, note that Two
> Sigma does this by making sure Beaker is *in* debian and thus widely
> available, not through a custom install or product giveaway or something.
> (So the "Beaker is a product of Kris' company" remark is not really fair.)
>
> Two Sigma is not per se excited about the hardware: that is the means to
> make the competition as wide as possible even for people who do not have
> equipment (because the cost per participant team can be kept at $50-$80). I
> hope that we can persuade Two Sigma to sponsor several hundreds of these
> (and that the Cape Town organization will help set up distribution channels
> for them). This makes this project rather unique: I do not see any of your
> other "hardware sponsorships" being that broad.
>
> Finally, I think you'll need to think a bit harder on how many
> competitions involving students you want: I fear that the interest in
> sponsoring and providing infrastructure for a competition as broad as we
> are proposing will dwindle if you try to position it as "one in several
> competitions"...especially because, excuse my directness, the likely
> outcome of the others will be a handful of tablets that won't really make a
> competition and probably will not really promote debian.
>
> I know it is early and that brainstorming and generalization is fun but do
> recognize a special opportunity when you get it: Full funding of ShowMeBox
> would involve travel ("give a multi-day data analysis class in January in
> Cape Town to the people who will distribute the hardware and teach the
> students how to do data analysis with it") as well as the final equipment
> ("build 300 computers fully installed with debian data analysis pure blend
> and some network access mechanism") and distribution ("send out people with
> knowledge to spend a half day explaining the equipment at each school"). So
> this *needs* local partners, and is quite unlike anything you can solicit
> from other sponsors, in my estimation...
>
> Finally, full disclaimer: at this point Two Sigma is funding contributing
> Beaker into Debian, but Two Sigma has not yet decided to fund the actual
> full competition: that is a proposal I will bring them in October. Please
> make it easy for me to say "the DebConf organization is on board" in a way
> that does not feel like a vacuous statement (like "we support all our
> sponsors!")!
>
> Best regards,
> Kris
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Bernelle Verster > wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> A note from the debconf-team... can you give input on this, and if
>> there are concerns (I don't understand enough to know if this is a
>> concern or not), we should brainstorm it while this is at an early
>> stage.
>>
>> regards
>> B
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>>
>> Am 10.09.2015 um 14:59 schrieb Bernelle Verster:
>>
>> 2. ShowMeBo
[Debconf-team] Fwd: Three things to note please
I need to learn how to use email. Please see below.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Bernelle Verster
Date: Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Three things to note please
To: Kristoffer Rose
Cc: "showme-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org"
,
"debconf-team@lists.debconf.org"
Hi Kris
My sentiments are perfectly aligned with yours. I am trying to get the
greater team on board with this early, as they get anxious if they
perceive things jumped on them or done behind their back.
I see the components of this competition as 'pre-competitive': the
ShowMeBox is a Debian thing and other sponsors can join in, but I also
absolutely agree that with the effort involved, we can realistically
only do one competition/outreach initiative.
So, DebConf team, (also please see thread below):
1. How long would we need to decide yes, we are on board, or no?
2. What more information do we need to make this decision?
3. Can I give a deadline of mid-October to bikeshed about this?
4. In my mind it is a huge plus, aside from the benefits that Jonas
and Kris already mentioned, that we have two long-time Debian people
driving this, not to mention the rest of the team. I think this
initiative is really special. At the same time, I don't want the wider
team to feel rushed or... Well, I don't want to piss anyone off,
basically.
Best regards
Bernelle
On Monday, September 14, 2015, Kristoffer Rose wrote:
>
> Dear Bernelle,
>
> In terms of feedback, I can say that what has gotten my colleagues inside Two
> Sigma excited about sponsoring this is that we can demonstrate that it is
> possible in local communities in Africa to do data analysis of locally
> available data, and in this way promote global awareness that data analysis
> is an important field of study that everyone can pursue. (And the best can
> even win a prize!)
>
> For Two Sigma it is an added incentive that we can promote that we
> contributed to this being possible by releasing Beaker into open source, so I
> would like the project to use Beaker if possible, however, note that Two
> Sigma does this by making sure Beaker is *in* debian and thus widely
> available, not through a custom install or product giveaway or something. (So
> the "Beaker is a product of Kris' company" remark is not really fair.)
>
> Two Sigma is not per se excited about the hardware: that is the means to make
> the competition as wide as possible even for people who do not have equipment
> (because the cost per participant team can be kept at $50-$80). I hope that
> we can persuade Two Sigma to sponsor several hundreds of these (and that the
> Cape Town organization will help set up distribution channels for them). This
> makes this project rather unique: I do not see any of your other "hardware
> sponsorships" being that broad.
>
> Finally, I think you'll need to think a bit harder on how many competitions
> involving students you want: I fear that the interest in sponsoring and
> providing infrastructure for a competition as broad as we are proposing will
> dwindle if you try to position it as "one in several
> competitions"...especially because, excuse my directness, the likely outcome
> of the others will be a handful of tablets that won't really make a
> competition and probably will not really promote debian.
>
> I know it is early and that brainstorming and generalization is fun but do
> recognize a special opportunity when you get it: Full funding of ShowMeBox
> would involve travel ("give a multi-day data analysis class in January in
> Cape Town to the people who will distribute the hardware and teach the
> students how to do data analysis with it") as well as the final equipment
> ("build 300 computers fully installed with debian data analysis pure blend
> and some network access mechanism") and distribution ("send out people with
> knowledge to spend a half day explaining the equipment at each school"). So
> this *needs* local partners, and is quite unlike anything you can solicit
> from other sponsors, in my estimation...
>
> Finally, full disclaimer: at this point Two Sigma is funding contributing
> Beaker into Debian, but Two Sigma has not yet decided to fund the actual full
> competition: that is a proposal I will bring them in October. Please make it
> easy for me to say "the DebConf organization is on board" in a way that does
> not feel like a vacuous statement (like "we support all our sponsors!")!
>
> Best regards,
> Kris
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Bernelle Verster
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> A note from the debconf-team... can you give input on this, and if
>> there are conc
Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling DC16 meetings
So.. who's making a call on the dudle? It looks like Wednesdays 19:00 UTC (21:00 SAST/local event time) still seems good. If there's no massive objections, can we then make the meeting tomorrow night? Please add agenda items on the wiki (currently still blank) [1]. Two things: * Daylight savings time is happening soon, which changes these times. We can either choose to stick with the SAST time or do a dudle again (ha!) *I don't think we'll find a single time to suit everyone. So my suggestion is, can we alternate these meetings? Every two weeks on a Wednesday (21:00 SAST, which is 19:00 UTC and 20:00UTC after DST...) and then every other week another day, perhaps Thursday?, same time. Can you all have a look at those options and chat about it on IRC, so we get something that works for most? regards B [1] - https://debconf.org/action/submit/DebConf16/Meetings/2015-09-16 On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:32 AM, Stefano Rivera wrote: > While work on the DC15 final report continues, our focus starts to shift > to the next DebConf, DC16. > > Until now, the DC16 team has been meeting on Wednesdays at 18:30 UTC. > However, that may not work for the rest of the broader DebConf team, so > we are re-polling on the best time for meetings: > https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/xwrd6g9h/ > > If you've already seen this poll, please check it again. New time > options have been added, several times, since it was first announced. > > These meetings will be held in #debconf-team. I think we should try to > reduce use of the dc16 mailing list and IRC channel, and keep everything > central. (Having to CC both lists, like this, is especially annoying) > > I think the normal pattern will be that only the coordination team is > expected to attend the meetings. Other team leads short report in, maybe > once a month, or when necessary. > > > There will be one more meeting on the old schedule: #debconf16-capetown, > at 18:30 UTC on Wednesday 9th: > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings/2015-09-09 > > Hopefully we can announce the new schedule by the end of this week. > > SR > > -- > Stefano Rivera > http://tumbleweed.org.za/ > +1 415 683 3272 > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling DC16 meetings
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Stefano Rivera wrote: > Hi Bernelle (2015.09.15_12:54:48_+0200) >> It looks like Wednesdays 19:00 UTC (21:00 SAST/local event time) still >> seems good. If there's no massive objections, can we then make the >> meeting tomorrow night? Please add agenda items on the wiki (currently >> still blank) [1]. > > Yeah, that sounds fine. > >> (21:00 SAST, which is 19:00 UTC and 20:00UTC after DST...) > > UTC is not affected by daylight savings. I did not know this, but it makes sense. disregard all that then. > > Are you suggesting we move to 20:00 UTC (an hour later in ZA) when the > northern hemisphere does its DST thing? I don't have an opinion on it - I know last year people asked for the meeting to move a bit earlier to account for their time change. I would suggest not going any later than 19:00 UTC. > > SR > > -- > Stefano Rivera > http://tumbleweed.org.za/ > +1 415 683 3272 > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling DC16 meetings
Hi all I would suggest those who can, join in the meeting. The agenda is a basic progress report, and then maybe we can also start working on the 'web presence' points in wiki format that had such a good start in another thread. I would also like to have names connected to teams, as I am quite new to DebConf and I don't know how the team is structured now that we have the whole world's input - maybe the chairs can advise on this? We should also start making these meetings follow the team structures, aka have progress reports per team, maybe following the tabled structure I saw in DC15. I think we have progress on the brochure, we *might* have something on the contract. I am unfortunately in a whole day workshop today, so can only do stuff in preparation for the meeting much later tonight, if someone else wants to run with it, please feel free (as is always the case). Regards B On Wednesday, September 16, 2015, Tassia Camoes Araujo wrote: > Hi Eric, > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:24:06AM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > > > We could have a meeting tomorrow, but attendance is often low when a > > meeting is announced on such short notice. I would suggest trying to > > settle on a schedule today, then set and announce the next meeting for > > next week. > > > I see your point, but this is not a new meeting. DC16 meetings are already > happening weekly since before DC15, this new dudle aims to access the wider > team availability since now more people are expected to attend. But I'd say > that in the absence of a new schedule, the old one holds (which actually > happens to be the same). Thus I see no reason to postpone tomorrow's > meeting. > More people will join when they are ready, if not this week, the next one, > or later in the year. > > These are my 2 cents, let's see what Bernelle and Stefano have to say. > > Cheers, > > Tassia. > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling DC16 meetings
> Hi again
>
> Just a note, the meeting will be in the #debconf-team channel, and will
> remain there until further notice.
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 09:28:00AM -0400, Tassia Camoes Araujo wrote:
>> > Hi Eric,
>> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 08:27:58AM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
>> > > > On Wednesday, September 16, 2015, Tassia Camoes Araujo
>> > > > wrote: Hi Eric, On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at
>> > > > 10:24:06AM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
>> > > > > We could have a meeting tomorrow, but attendance is often
>> > > > > low when a meeting is announced on such short notice. I
>> > > > > would suggest trying to settle on a schedule today, then set
>> > > > > and announce the next meeting for next week.
>> > > > I see your point, but this is not a new meeting.
>> > > I didn't understand that. Sorry and nevermind. :)
>> > Sorry, English is not my best friend that late at night ;-)
>>
>> No worries.
>>
>> > I was just trying to contrast this with the situation where we need to
>> > find a convenient time for an adhoc ("new") meeting. In the present
>> > case the meetings were already happening, we were just re-evaluating
>> > the time. That's why I don't think it is "short notice". Otherwise I
>> > would agree with you, short notice calls are usually problematic.
>>
>> Yes, I understand now.
>>
>> -Eric
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[Debconf-team] Fwd: Wiki Updates
-- Forwarded message -- From: Jonathan Carter Date: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 6:54 PM Subject: Wiki Updates To: debconf16-t...@lists.debian.org Hi Debconfers https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 was a bit bare so I created a main index on there that links to all the aspects of Debconf. It's mostly a bunch of red links at this point, but my next wiki focus will be on these pages which need some work to be more coherent and structured: * https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Timeline * https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/LocalTeamRoles It's a wiki... so if you don't like something, you know what to do! -Jonathan ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] DebConf meetings this week
Hi all I'm trying something with these weekly emails: To let everyone knows what meetings are happening in the coming week, to assist in your planning. Please let me know if there is anything else going on that you'd like to be coordinated with the wider team (and if it ain't obvious, I'm still trying to figure out what is an appropriate level of involvement for me. Let me know if I'm prodding too much). Meetings this week: 1. Coord meeting, Monday 21 September (today) 16:00UTC (18:00 SAST) on #debconf-coordination 2. Weekly meeting on #debconf-team 3. Website chatting on #debconf-infra, list discussion topics on titanpad (e.g. [1]) More information: 1. The main agenda is to 'reboot' the teams - which for me means to get acquainted with the teams, their purpose and find out who's involved [5] (with nothing written in stone!). We'll then use this to get to the budget items, for starters. Attendance is certainly not compulsory, and for efficiency's sake, we'd actually prefer if it's just the involved people, but you're all welcome. This meeting will report back on Wednesday so you won't miss anything even if you're not there. 2. For the weekly meeting, we're moving back to a titanpad (e.g. [2]) for the agenda, and we're working on a minutes template [3]. After the meeting the two get merged along with the meetbot minutes [4]. This makes more sense for collaborative meetings (it was a bit of a mess last week). Please let me know if you disagree on this approach. Also, please note, I use the meetbot logs to look back on the context of discussions. Please help me by keeping to topic in the meetings. Please move the discussions to other (team?) channels or on the titanpad when asked. 3. The website meeting is next week, may I suggest it replaces the weekly meeting next week - aka Wednesday 30 Sept, 19:00 UTC? Until then can all issues get raised on #debconf-infra and documented on the titanpad [1], so the meeting can just recap and reach decisions? Like the coord meeting, attendance is not compulsory but all are welcome. [1] - https://titanpad.com/443gTylF6p [2] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 [3] - https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings/template [4] - https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings [5] - https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Teams, and links there-in regards Bernelle ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf meetings this week
On Monday, 21 September 2015, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Bernelle Verster > > [2015-09-21 10:17 +0200]: > > I'm trying something with these weekly emails: To let everyone > > knows what meetings are happening in the coming week, to assist in > > your planning. > > Thank you, this is very helpful! Lols, grammar notwithstanding s/knows/know. Sorry bremner. > > > 1. Coord meeting, Monday 21 September (today) 16:00UTC (18:00 > >SAST) on #debconf-coordination > > A bit short notice, and I wonder why it's on a separate channel. >From my perspective (as the person who's been doing meetings for dc16 for the past year and in no other capacity), coord can have their own channel just like e.g. infra has their own channel. It's short notice because I sent this on a Monday and so far (AFAIK) these meetings have been weekly on a Monday, so coincidental if unfortunate. > > > Also, how does this meeting relate to the meetings on Wednesday? > > > 1. The main agenda is to 'reboot' the teams > > How about the timeline? > > -- > .''`. martin f. krafft > > @martinkrafft > : :' : DebConf orga team > `. `'` > `- DebConf16: Cape Town: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 > DebConf17 in your country? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17 > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf meetings this week
On Monday, 21 September 2015, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Margarita Manterola > > [2015-09-21 11:45 +0200]: > > I think holding the coordination meeting on a separate channel is a > > very very big mistake. This is THE meeting that should happen on > > #debconf-team, as opposed to the DC16 team meetings which can > > perfectly well happen on the DC16 channel. > > > > I urge anyone that participates in this meeting to do it on > > #debconf-team not #debconf-coordination. > > For the record, I agree 100% with Marga, including the urgency she > purports. Noted, awaiting someone from coord to confirm a new day/time. Another meeting happening today at 14:00 UTC is the Publicity meeting, on #debian-publicity https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Publicity/Meetings/ I hope in due course we can make these meeting notifications smoother, suggestions welcome. > > -- > .''`. martin f. krafft > > @martinkrafft > : :' : DebConf orga team > `. `'` > `- DebConf16: Cape Town: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 > DebConf17 in your country? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17 > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Fwd: Query: DebConf16: 2016 - International Debian Developers Conference, hosted at UCT
This is what I have regarding the CMC contract progress. Stefano, please confirm receipt. if this mails fails to reach dc-team like it failed the last two times, please send it on to them. Graham, please confirm receipt. for your info when you call her tomorrow. We need to know when it will be available for review and signing. For the record, we met with her the first time on 9 July. Then we bikeshed on this for two months. The lesson from this is that if you bikeshed too much then the consequences are undue waiting. For the record, I am so not having fun. -- Forwarded message -- From: *Bernelle Verster* Date: Wednesday, 16 September 2015 Subject: Query: DebConf16: 2016 - International Debian Developers Conference, hosted at UCT To: Belinda Chapman Thanks Belinda Address: from the website: spi-inc.org P.O. Box 501248 Indianapolis, IN 46250-6248 United States I am not part of SPI, but would be the logical contact person: Bernelle Verster 083 5454 993 I do not have a landline nor a fax. If you need a landline, I can ask Graham for his UCT office number. This should be sufficient? Regards Bernelle On Wednesday, September 16, 2015, Belinda Chapman > wrote: > Hi Bernelle > > > > Thanks I am aware that I need to draft a contract specific to the Debian > Conference’s requirements. SPI don’t have to sign the contract yet but I do > need their details in order to complete the contract. > > > > Regards > > Belinda > > > > *From:* Bernelle Verster [mailto:bernel...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 15 September 2015 01:58 PM > *To:* Belinda Chapman > *Subject:* Re: FW: Query: DebConf16: 2016 - International Debian > Developers Conference, hosted at UCT > > > > Hi Belinda > > > > I am sourcing the contact details for you. In the interim: > > EVENT TITLE: DebConf16: The International Debian Developers Conference > SPONSORING ORGANISATION: SPI: Software in the Public Interest, Inc. > CONTACT PERSON: ?? ___ PHONE: ?? > FAX:?? __ > REGISTERED ADDRESS OF ORGANISATION: ?? > ___ > CHECK-IN DATE:Sunday 26 June CHECK-OUT DATE: Sunday 10 July 2016 > > > > It is a bit of a catch 22 though, SPI (Software in the Public Interest, > Inc.) want to see the draft contract before they commit to signing it. > You attached what looks like the standard contract, but we have discussed a > modified contract (please see the email thread below). Can you send through > the draft modified contract? If this is confusing we could meet again? > > > > regards > > B > > > > Thanks for your mail and the update. > > Re: your notes below about UCT accommodation. It seems that the CMC > involvement will now be greater than initially anticipated and I passed > this mail via our manager, Deidre Raubenheimer. > > She has advised that for us to take this admin of UCT accommodation - CMC > would charge a co-ordination sub-minimum rate of R 8,000. Thereafter any > additional work - a R240 per hour rate would apply. > > I will only be able to handle further work re UCT accom once the CMC SPI > contract is in place. > > > > I will await feedback regarding this. > > > > Many thanks > > Belinda > > > > *From:* Bernelle Verster [mailto:bernel...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 12 August 2015 05:30 PM > *To:* Belinda Chapman > *Subject:* Re: FW: Query: DebConf16: 2016 - International Debian > Developers Conference, hosted at UCT > > > > Dear Belinda > > > > I hope you are well? > > > > It gives me great pleasure to tell you the whole team is very pleased with > CMC. > > > > Outcomes from our meeting today: > >- SPI will pay a lump sum into your bank account upon finalisation & >signing of the contract. You will NOT receive small amounts as well, so you >don't need to manage that. >- SPI will sign the contract directly - this may take some time >though, we will keep you informed. >- CMC handles accommodation. We have further questions about this >please: > > >1. The current accommodation facilitation fee is per hour. Could we >restructure this to be per attendee? >2. Can CMC then sign the contract with UCT accommodation? >Details: >Nights of Sunday 26 June - Friday 1 July 2016: *100* people >Nights of Saturday 2 July - Saturday 9 July: *300* people >Breakfast for these people. >3. Can the meals accommodate restrictions in diet? E.g. vegan meals, >gluten-free meals etc. >4. Can you please confirm if this will then be UCT internal rates? >5. Can you ask Accommodation if we can reserve t
[Debconf-team] Fwd: Meeting Reminder: Tonight 19:00 UTC, 21:00 SAST
Whoops! I sent this to the old list, sorry! It shouldn't be a long meeting, one hopes... -- Forwarded message -- From: Bernelle Verster Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:56 AM Subject: Meeting Reminder: Tonight 19:00 UTC, 21:00 SAST To: DebConf Cape Town Bid Hi all A reminder of the meeting tonight. Please add your items to the agenda [1] , as well as as much discussion and report back as is possible, to assist with preparation and flow. Please note: I have tried to list the items based on the current teams, but renamed them Task Groupings. Don't get your knickers in a knot about this, I just need a way to run the meeting. If you don't like it, please copy the agenda to the bottom, make your changes, and we can decide which set-up to follow at the start of the meeting, and I will then adapt the template accordingly. [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 Cheers B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling web meeting Re: DebConf meetings this week
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:17:23AM +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote: > > Hi all > > 3. Website chatting on #debconf-infra, list discussion topics on > titanpad (e.g. > > [1]) > > > 3. The website meeting is next week, may I suggest it replaces the weekly > > meeting next week - aka Wednesday 30 Sept, 19:00 UTC? Until then can all > issues > > get raised on #debconf-infra and documented on the titanpad [1], so the > meeting > > can just recap and reach decisions? Like the coord meeting, attendance > is not > > compulsory but all are welcome. > > > > [1] - https://titanpad.com/443gTylF6p > > PyConZA [1] is 1 & 2 October. I wonder if that might make it hard for > those involved in or attending that event to have time for a DebConf > meeting on 30 Sept. > Good point. > > I tried to look though the dudle to get an idea of a time and date that > would work for most of those who have expressed interest, but the > interface is rather ungainly. I'll try again tomorrow with fresher eyes > if no one else has gotten to it. But, is there a way to clone the poll > in order to remove those who aren't interested? (Or do we need a new > poll?) > Please note I'm stepping back for a while. I hope Stefano can pick up the pokering for this, which should be more relevant anyways, as he knows the website stuff and people better. > > -Eric > > [1] https://za.pycon.org/ > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Next two weeks' meetings: Website, Timeline et al
Hi all Website: * There is a local website meeting between Tammy (tamo), Raoul (superfly) and Jonathan (highvoltage) tonight. I expect they will be on IRC for chatting as well. This is not 'dev' stuff (what do I call that?), but to do with design and content. * There will likely not be a 'dev stuff' website meeting this week due to PyconZA happening this week. Can I ask Eric, Stefano or Simon (hodgestar) to arrange a time and let the team know please? Fundraising: * There may be a fundraising meeting on Saturday... Timeline/Tasks: * Next week Wednesday there is a proposed timeline/tasks meeting to, if next week is too soon please suggest a date? General: * I would like to have a Wednesday meeting this week, but please let me know if you think it is too much. Maybe a break is good, or a reduced frequency... From my side I'm struggling a bit with all the stuff going on, and am trying to step back a bit (but I dream of DebConf so it's difficult). I hope to transfer the last agenda into a wiki and make a new agenda in due course. Currently there's just points jotted down at the top [1], please add more, even if the meeting only happens later, so we don't miss stuff. regards B [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Next two weeks' meetings: Website, Timeline et al
bugger, sorry, I forgot to include this one (was looking for it and then got distracted) DC15 final report sprint: We're collecting content here: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/FinalReport #dc-team Monday 1900 UTC. On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Hi all > > Website: > * There is a local website meeting between Tammy (tamo), Raoul (superfly) > and Jonathan (highvoltage) tonight. I expect they will be on IRC for > chatting as well. This is not 'dev' stuff (what do I call that?), but to do > with design and content. > * There will likely not be a 'dev stuff' website meeting this week due to > PyconZA happening this week. Can I ask Eric, Stefano or Simon (hodgestar) > to arrange a time and let the team know please? > > Fundraising: > * There may be a fundraising meeting on Saturday... > > Timeline/Tasks: > * Next week Wednesday there is a proposed timeline/tasks meeting to, if > next week is too soon please suggest a date? > > General: > * I would like to have a Wednesday meeting this week, but please let me > know if you think it is too much. Maybe a break is good, or a reduced > frequency... From my side I'm struggling a bit with all the stuff going on, > and am trying to step back a bit (but I dream of DebConf so it's difficult). > > I hope to transfer the last agenda into a wiki and make a new agenda in > due course. Currently there's just points jotted down at the top [1], > please add more, even if the meeting only happens later, so we don't miss > stuff. > > regards > B > > [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 > > > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Next two weeks' meetings: Website, Timeline et al
Hi all I'm taking the lack of response to mean no one wants a meeting but don't want to say so. I will try to be on IRC tonight, but it won't be a minuted meeting. So on the IRC topic I've made the next meeting for 7 October 18:00 UTC, 20:00 SAST (note: one hour earlier than before), if that doesn't work for you please speak up. The agenda [1] is currently only really the brochure and the CMC contract, both of which is better dealt with via email. The website meeting [2] - design/content feedback and web presence is probably better dealt with after Pycon.ZA so I'm going to wait with that for a week or so as well. [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 [2] - https://titanpad.com/443gTylF6p Cheers B On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Bernelle Verster wrote: > bugger, sorry, I forgot to include this one (was looking for it and then got > distracted) > > DC15 final report sprint: > We're collecting content here: > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/FinalReport > #dc-team Monday 1900 UTC. > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Bernelle Verster > wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> Website: >> * There is a local website meeting between Tammy (tamo), Raoul (superfly) >> and Jonathan (highvoltage) tonight. I expect they will be on IRC for >> chatting as well. This is not 'dev' stuff (what do I call that?), but to do >> with design and content. >> * There will likely not be a 'dev stuff' website meeting this week due to >> PyconZA happening this week. Can I ask Eric, Stefano or Simon (hodgestar) to >> arrange a time and let the team know please? >> >> Fundraising: >> * There may be a fundraising meeting on Saturday... >> >> Timeline/Tasks: >> * Next week Wednesday there is a proposed timeline/tasks meeting to, if >> next week is too soon please suggest a date? >> >> General: >> * I would like to have a Wednesday meeting this week, but please let me >> know if you think it is too much. Maybe a break is good, or a reduced >> frequency... From my side I'm struggling a bit with all the stuff going on, >> and am trying to step back a bit (but I dream of DebConf so it's difficult). >> >> I hope to transfer the last agenda into a wiki and make a new agenda in >> due course. Currently there's just points jotted down at the top [1], please >> add more, even if the meeting only happens later, so we don't miss stuff. >> >> regards >> B >> >> [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 >> >> >> > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Fixing the Debconf Delagation
Hi TLDR: * "You can set direction in Debian not by telling people what to do but by changing what is easy in the project" * "If there is one thing, it's getting people to talk to each other and find out which parts of *their* work they can think about differently in order to have it be easier. We can do this peer-to-peer. How can we make it more cooperation and less collaboration." We all need to think about making our tasks work better, not just the chairs. We need to be devil's advocate. * We need to build trust, I give some ideas on how. B ___ Preamble: * I signed the 'on the local team' email because I wanted to let it be known that I consider the way things are currently working to be broken. The details are less of a concern to me. I think it is important to see how many people felt this way; it was not a single person being rebellious. * Theorising that it could work if people only give it a try is not good enough. Let's agree that things are not working as they are, and find ways to improve them. * I am taking my cue from Asheesh's talk [1], "You can set direction in Debian not by telling people what to do but by changing what is easy in the project" (20:35) What is happening here has happened in previous events I was involved with too (One person made unrealistic promises to sponsors. We made it happen and it lead to an overall better event, but it damn near killed us). This is not unique to DebConf, and it is not unique to one person being cantankerous or wayward. So don't bash yourself up too much. I am writing this long email with the DebConf16 hat firmly on, but I hope it can contribute to all DebConf functioning. >From Tincho "The power to override decisions ... budgetary decisions, sponsors relationships, volunteers motivation, and even some basic tenets of the conference were at stake. Every time this happened, it was because somebody from the local team acted on their own, overstepping other people's responsibilities, and without prior consultation." I would argue that it may have been because the understanding of what was expected was lacking. If there is no structure that makes it clear, I would also tend to act in what I believe is the best way. It is hugely damaging to then have my best intentions questioned. So going forward, we need to make the values more explicit for each of these things, and I use the examples Tincho listed as places where we can start - the 'easy' changes. (thereby my answer to Tincho's "I would like to ask fil or any of the people who think the chairs should not exist what would they do in situations like these.") I've rephrased these to be more constructive. * The tension between short-term benefit for sponsors (e.g. being acknowledged on the website, authorising in-kind donations) vs long-term relationships with existing sponsors: The issue: There is not enough time for the whole team to find consensus on a service that was not considered and therefore not discussed before the conference. This happens. There was no way to find input quickly, so he made the call. How to fix this: To mitigate the tension, I would suggest that there is a clear understanding of what constitutes a sponsor, well in advance, with a bigger focus on the very small sponsors. I think a bigger issue that needs to be articulated, is how do we acknowledge the many, many material things that make a conference happen? I see this as a critical issue for the DebConf in Cape Town, because we may have many small companies who want to contribute and be part of something, but who fall far short of the official perks. We need to bring them in somehow - this is our community and directly part of the DebConf Goals. I can remember the sponsor being quite sad at how things went - we need to think about how to prevent that. (I can't find that thread now though). Then, I would think once there is a decision to be made in crunch time, to revert to a/the Chair to make the call. For that to work though, I would need to trust that the Chair would make a good decision - one that if there was time to bring in the whole team, they would agree with and support. I cover trust as an overarching thing right at the bottom of this email. * The tension on what to spend money on, and the unclear Debconf goals. Taking sponsored food and accommodation vs 'more fancy perks' as example: For a start (and wow, so many seemingly simple questions asked of me at DebConf15 make sense now!), looking at the budget and seeming conflict of interest between the conference dinner and sponsoring more people to come, the problem here is that it is unclear what the goal of DebConf is [2]. At the orga sprint this unclearness was articulated, and half of the people interpreted that the goal is to bring more people to Debian (aka sponsor more people to come) and the other half interpreted it to mean that the conference should be a place for Debian Deve
[Debconf-team] Timeline: Registration, Content
Hi all I'd like to get the content for registration going, as well as the timeline dates , some jottings at [1]. We need info on "speaking (topics, deadlines, type of talk) " now already as sponsors may be interested in this too, and I'm guessing it's not too different from previous years - who is generally in charge of this? Can I start a draft for comment? This is also useful for website content. Cheers B [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Website: static page or redirect to wiki? - NB for fundraising
Hi all We're gearing up for fundraising, and we need something at the http://debconf16.debconf.org destination. I think we have two options: 1. Create a static page with the logo, consistent with the front page of the brochure, with the date, an "interested in sponsoring? Contact us at spons...@debconf.org" line and maybe the link to the wiki [1] 2. Make the http://debconf16.debconf.org redirect to the wiki [1] for now. (and update the important info on the wiki with the sponsor details too) Thoughts? Who do I poke to make this happen, ASAP? regards B [1] - https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Brochure edits - ALL please proofread
Hi all Edits listed at [1], brochure can be found at [2]. Tammy, this brochure is beautiful, thanks very much. I feel confident to share this with people (in it's final version) and having my name associated with it. Some final changes, I'm putting it in titanpad [1] so we can mark off as things get done. regards B [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/7 [2] - https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/dc16.git/tree/design/Design/Sponsor%20Brochures/3%20oct/Final%20Fin%20Brochurecv.pdf ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-sponsors-team] Website: static page or redirect to wiki? - NB for fundraising
Thanks Laura * For now I need far less than this; I just need the debconf16.debconf site to point to *something* These will be discussed at the next website meeting - no date decided yet, will soon as PyConZA is now done. I made some comments for you below. These need to be dumped into this titanpad for website discussions [1] (I copied it in there for you already, no worries.) regards B [1] - https://titanpad.com/443gTylF6p On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Laura Arjona Reina wrote: > Hi > > El 04/10/15 a las 10:15, Brian Gupta escribió: >> Check with Wendar. She worked on the DC14 site. Perhaps she has time? If >> not, you need to find a volunteer and make sure they have access to the >> relevant repo. >> > TL;DR: count with me, but we still need somebody else. > > The good news > > * I can push commits to scm.alioth.debian.org//git/debconf-data/dc16.git > * I can put time tonight (Europe's night) and this week's nights on this > * I can copy the website from any former debconf and work on the > xhtml/wml/html files, using the wiki as source of information. No CSS > skills. Somebody should say which debconf website to copy \o/ This is great, we will use your skills! :) > > The bad news > > * I cannot make design decisions, and I'm really bad at aesthetics This is Tammy, highvoltage and superfly (et al)'s field, so we have this covered, thanks. > * No idea about how to "build" sites, nor how to make > debconf16.debconf.org point to > scm.alioth.debian.org//git/debconf-data/dc16.git/website The building sites is covered, by hodgestar et al - this is the main topic of the website meeting to happen soon. > * I'm not native English speaker so somebody should review my writings. np > * I cannot make plans now about my further involvement in the website > (my timetable from November on is undefined yet). that's fine, we will work with this. Great for having you so far! > > Cheers > Laura Arjona > > >> -Brian >> >> On Oct 4, 2015 4:09 AM, "Bernelle Verster" > <mailto:bernel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> We're gearing up for fundraising, and we need something at the >> http://debconf16.debconf.org destination. >> >> I think we have two options: >> 1. Create a static page with the logo, consistent with the front page >> of the brochure, with the date, an "interested in sponsoring? Contact >> us at spons...@debconf.org <mailto:spons...@debconf.org>" line and >> maybe the link to the wiki [1] >> >> 2. Make the http://debconf16.debconf.org redirect to the wiki [1] for >> now. (and update the important info on the wiki with the sponsor >> details too) >> >> Thoughts? Who do I poke to make this happen, ASAP? >> >> regards >> B >> >> [1] - https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 >> ___ >> Debconf-sponsors-team mailing list >> debconf-sponsors-t...@lists.debconf.org >> <mailto:debconf-sponsors-t...@lists.debconf.org> >> http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-sponsors-team >> >> >> >> ___ >> Debconf-team mailing list >> Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org >> http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team >> > > > -- > Laura Arjona Reina > https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] initial landing page for DebConf16 ( debconf16.debconf.org)
Hi That's great Laura, but still text heavy. I was thinking *even* simpler. My hacking in crude image form (imagine these taking up the entire window) Option 1: https://lut.im/dhwflnexmR/3JZG6jSs.png Option 2: https://lut.im/4vLoYrH0zs/h0YZRSsV.png I could try code it but it will be brutal. I don't have a problem if we want to point to Laura's page though. On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 6:08 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Laura Arjona Reina [2015-10-04 18:00 +0200]: >> I have pushed an initial landing page for >> http://debconf16.debconf.org , please have a look here: >> >> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/dc16.git/tree/website >> >> The CSS is a bit mess because I have copied from other place and >> I already said I don't know very well how to handle that :/ > > This is a temporary page, so I don't think we need to worry about > mess. > > To take this live, I think Jörg has to revert the redirect and set > up the build hook. > >> I have created a "downloads" folder to store the sponsorship brochure; > > Please note that we traditionally put downloads in a separate repo, > media.debconf.org, although I don't really know why. > > Cheers, > > -- > .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft > : :' : DebConf orga team > `. `'` > `- DebConf16: Cape Town: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 > DebConf17 in your country? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17 > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] website presence meeting: crunch time.
Hi all PyConZA is over which means it's website time. I don't think we'll find a time for everyone to attend the meeting, so we need to be clear on the meeting objectives and make this as cooperative as possible. Bear this in mind and put your thoughts in the titanpad [1] accordingly so that your voice is heard. Ideally, then, it won't matter who attends, and hey, then we can even settle this over email! May I suggest Wednesday 18:00 UTC just because I see no other alternative. Please feel free to suggest another day/time. * The main meeting objective: Decide on which system(s) are being developed as contenders for the DC16 website. (If we feel we can decide to only go with wafer, that would be *amazing*) * Secondary objective: Decide on a deadline for the contenders to show their stuff so we can make a final decision. Winner takes all. Current suggestion is 31 October. Then, to get as much discussion done before then, on the titanpad [1], I suggest: * Can we get an idea for what is in the running, and who is driving it? Systems intended to show convincing argument by deadline, and lead person driving it: wafer (hodgestar) odoo? (madduck?) (edrz?) (Ganneff?) Drupal (gwolf)? (Modify as appropriate on the titanpad, not in the email thread) * Then I put the advantages and disadvantages for each 'contender'. The way this is written feels very battle-like, which is not (really) intended. If you have another way of summarising this, please go ahead (a table in a wiki?) The point is that at the meeting I don't want to go through all of this, it should be clear by then. Everyone involved/interested should know by the start of the meeting: 1) What systems are going to be developed to a convincing point by the deadline (possibly end of October), and who will be driving each process 2) What are the general feelings for the advantages and disadvantages of each. This meeting is NOT for people to argue for systems that they won't be helping to develop. That you can do before the meeting, on the titanpad. In the event that we deal with this in a short time, there's a few other agenda points like Visual Design we can focus on, which is much more fun. regards B [1] - https://titanpad.com/443gTylF6p ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] website presence meeting: crunch time.
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:28 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Bernelle Verster [2015-10-04 19:49 +0200]: >> Decide on which system(s) are being developed as contenders for the >> DC16 website. (If we feel we can decide to only go with wafer, that >> would be *amazing*) > > I would be happy if wafer was the system we need and which does > everything for us. I'd be quite happy to retire my Odoo plans for > now. I will be using Odoo for another conference in May 2016 and > then will have a lot more info. > > Maybe the best next step would be to get a wafer tour, e.g. > a screencast or an IRC tutorial, showing off the functionality, so > that we can convince everyone that it's the most promising solution > and worthy of investing time? > So I think that will happen anyways, wafer is one of the 'contenders'. I guess to rephrase, are there any other serious contenders? And if not, and we are *not* convinced by wafer by the deadline (albeit unlikely), what then? Summit? Said another way, if we do the *amazing*, and wafer is the way to go, are we confident that it will carry us all the way through, or do we still need to see it's stuff by the deadline to find out what else needs to be planned for? Can we say, yes, we are 100% behind wafer, and we need to know what its limitations are by the deadline (e.g. 31 October) so we can fix those things in time? > -- > .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft > : :' : DebConf orga team > `. `'` > `- DebConf16: Cape Town: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 > DebConf17 in your country? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17 > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] initial landing page for DebConf16 ( debconf16.debconf.org)
Doh. Now to the whole team - especially Ganneff. On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Bernelle Verster wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) > wrote: >> On 04/10/2015 20:00, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: >>> Great, I'm going to invest most of my time in the design and CSS >>> elements then and re-use as much as your copy as possible. >> >> So, a basic page that serves as a placeholder until the bare bones of >> the real site is up is available on the debconf16 subdomain: >> >> http://debconf16.debconf.org/ > > Nice! >> >> (note: the https link will currently take you to the wiki) > > Ganneff, up to you if this needs to be fixed... >> >> Its files live under 'website' on dc16.git. If you make changes to it, >> it will be pushed to the live site automatically. Any improvements are >> welcome (I might change it away from being a carousel, after Raoul >> pointed out how they're inefficient I decided that I don't like it >> either), but be aware that this page is just a placeholder for when we >> start with the real site so any work you do on it will ultimately be >> thrown away. > > Thanks so much Jonathan. I also decided I didn't like the carousel, > but no trainsmash. Epic! > >> >> -Jonathan >> >> ___ >> Debconf-team mailing list >> Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org >> http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Braai: Saturday 10 October 2015
Hi all (incl ... I just emailed the CLUG dinner list, it's easier than getting you all by person...) Details for the braai this Saturday: Time: Natalie said 4pm BUT I'm trying for a bit earlier for kids and stuff. I think 'between noon and 4pm' works... Will be provided: Beer Juice Salad Rolls Braai fire Guests to bring Own Drinks other than Beer Meat Venue: 37 Brampton Road, Plumstead, Cape Town, South Africa (Nigel Kukard (nkukard) residence. Kids and partners and friends and other potential teammates welcome. Teleports from other countries welcome too. RSVP: ASAP, Before 9 October. My contact number: 083 5454 993 Cheers Bernelle (indiebio) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Website meeting: tonight 18:00 UTC (Was Re: website presence meeting: crunch time.)
Hi all Summarising this thread: You are all *amazing*: * By consensus we agree to develop wafer for DebConf16. * We also managed to get a static site up - larjona, we need the brochure on it please, which is now also done \o/ [0]. I think tonight's meeting will be more of a website sprint, so not all need to attend (see [2] for my reasoning with this... ) Agenda for meeting [1]: 1. Who is involved with which tasks regarding the website 2. Deadline for system decision: Next, can we decide a date by which time wafer is developed enough to demonstrate the system, to people with dc-orga experience relating to the registration system, let them formulate questions and then write up a plan of - what can already be done - what needs to be implemented - and how one would implement each feature, along with a conservative time estimate. Stefano mentioned this has already started: Can this process be completed by say, 31 October? Also, not being a competent website-y person, as poker, am I going about this the right way? 3.1. Design (colours, fonts) - Feedback on template proposal (there's a very big one on git - will be smaller soon?... put link here) - can stand over until next week if needed? 3.2. Overall structure of website 3.3. Content (pre-written and matrix) 4. Placeholder static site - done http://debconf16.debconf.org and https://debconf16.debconf.org goes to wiki (indiebio's fault) needs to be fixed. 5. Requirements doc (.e. what do we want/need and what are the options) - still needed? 6. Brochure - done! \o/ 7. General - any non-website business to discuss? Cheers B P.S. If this email looks weird, sorry, I'm hungover from brochure-induced lack of sleep and celebrations - I'm building a house! [0] - https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/dc16.git/plain/fundraising/brochure/DebConf16_Sponsorship_brochure_small_151006_v1.pdf [1] - https://titanpad.com/443gTylF6p [2] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Braai: Saturday 10 October 2015
Hi all Now confirmed, the braai is starting around noon. We'll probably do some website hacking stuff on the day too, maybe bring your geek stuff ;) B On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Hi all > > (incl ... I just emailed the CLUG dinner list, it's easier than > getting you all by person...) > > Details for the braai this Saturday: > > Time: > Natalie said 4pm BUT I'm trying for a bit earlier for kids and stuff. > I think 'between noon and 4pm' works... > > Will be provided: > Beer > Juice > Salad > Rolls > Braai fire > > Guests to bring > Own Drinks other than Beer > Meat > > Venue: > 37 Brampton Road, Plumstead, Cape Town, South Africa > (Nigel Kukard (nkukard) residence. > > Kids and partners and friends and other potential teammates welcome. > Teleports from other countries welcome too. > > RSVP: > ASAP, Before 9 October. > > My contact number: 083 5454 993 > > Cheers > Bernelle (indiebio) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Timeline: Registration, Content
Hi On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 3:30 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Bernelle Verster [2015-10-02 16:09 +0200]: >> We need info on "speaking (topics, deadlines, type of talk) " now >> already as sponsors may be interested in this too, and I'm guessing >> it's not too different from previous years - who is generally in >> charge of this? Can I start a draft for comment? > > Hi Bernelle, > > thanks for the initiative. The sooner we forge a common > understanding of the general pre-conference timeline, the better for > all involved. The release of the call-for-papers (CfP) will be an > important step in that process, and we need not wait until the last > moment to start working on it. > > Eric already pointed you to the content team, but this team is > currently inactive. I encourage you to pull up the previous CfPs > (and possibly also how some other conferences do it) and start on > a draft. > > Once the content team has been re-formed, you can then let them take > over (if you won't be part of the team anyway). I only saw this mail now.. For (general) website content drafting, would it make sense to put it on a wiki and then migrate that content to the website once we're ready to load content up? Or is a titanpad good enough on a section by section basis? Or how is this generally done? For now I'm just fiddling on a titanpad [1] . Where is DC15's CfP? I don't consider this too urgent, as the brochure had general enough information that the sponsor requested (which is what prompted me to ask about this). The first registration deadline is also an 'Expression of Interest' which may not explicitly require this yet...? P.S. I got horribly distracted and started daydreaming about a how-to comic strip with images of pollito submitting his talk. [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/9 > > -- > .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft > : :' : DebConf orga team > `. `'` > `- DebConf16: Cape Town: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 > DebConf17 in your country? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17 > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Minutes, Agenda and Status reports for next meeting (14 Oct, 18:30 UTC)
Hi all Last week's website sprint can be found in the wiki meeting page [0]. Stefano, please update the minutes as you see fit, I didn't always know what's going on. If possible please send a status report and rough plan re wafer for the next week or few weeks? ACTIONS required: * All: Status reports on what people have been doing this week, and what is planned for the next week, in the agenda titanpad [1] * All: Feedback on website proposal [2] (are there other proposals to be considered, or can we run with this, in conjunction with site map development and wafer?) * RichiH : We need to send a list of requirements to ICTS. If you cannot provide, can ginggs thumbsuck these (based on DC15 experience) and send to them? * Others? Please note: next meeting is Wednesday, 14 October, at 18:30 UTC. Main objective is getting a handle on timelines. [1] Cheers B [0] - https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings/2015-10-07 [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 [2] - https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/dc16.git/plain/design/Design/Website/Website_Layout_Proposal1_lowres_10oct15.pdf ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Minutes, Agenda and Status reports for next meeting (14 Oct, 18:30 UTC)
Dear all I'm seeing that the communication is still not working well, so I'm trying something else: Can each teammember put on the titanpad, before tomorrow's meeting (18:30 UTC) [1]: 1) What they have been doing/will be doing for the next two weeks 2) What they need from other people to help them. Conversely, if you need something from someone specific, write it under their name. I am jotting things down where I am aware of them - please edit or replace as you see fit. Also advise me if I shouldn't be doing this on behalf of people. I think the Teams/Task groupings are still useful, but for the moment I want to shift the focus to the people doing the tasks. [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 Cheers B On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Hi all > > Last week's website sprint can be found in the wiki meeting page [0]. > > Stefano, please update the minutes as you see fit, I didn't always > know what's going on. If possible please send a status report and > rough plan re wafer for the next week or few weeks? > > ACTIONS required: > * All: Status reports on what people have been doing this week, and > what is planned for the next week, in the agenda titanpad [1] > * All: Feedback on website proposal [2] (are there other proposals to > be considered, or can we run with this, in conjunction with site map > development and wafer?) > * RichiH : We need to send a list of requirements to ICTS. If you > cannot provide, can ginggs thumbsuck these (based on DC15 experience) > and send to them? > * Others? > > Please note: next meeting is Wednesday, 14 October, at 18:30 UTC. Main > objective is getting a handle on timelines. [1] > > Cheers > B > > [0] - https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings/2015-10-07 > [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 > [2] - > https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/dc16.git/plain/design/Design/Website/Website_Layout_Proposal1_lowres_10oct15.pdf > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Deadlines and doing stuff (Was: Artwork)
Dear all Re: In the Local Team thread, of Jonathan being concerned about people contacting daytrip options without his knowledge, and Tammy on this thread being concerned that the artwork is not perfect, and talking about deadlines. To me this raises three important issues to take note of, and this is regardless if we use a project management tool or not: * We need people to feel comfortable doing stuff. If we have to wait on deadlines to be reached to get access to something, or wait for people to tell us what to do, or worry who we potentially upset by doing something, things will never get done. * We are not each other's clients, we are a team, we need access to things before they look nice. Developers are likely more comfortable with this than designers, but that doesn't change that it needs to work this way. This will *always* be an issue with multi-disciplinary teams, and we need to be aware and sensitive to it, but I've given up finding some miracle way to make it work without hiccups. Take responsibility and find help. Don't just wait and get frustrated. * If you ask for feedback and don't get any, ping someone who you feel is the most relevant and ask them. If this person is fine with it, go ahead. I am not that person unless you can't find someone. Moving forward, I suggest we try really hard to let people know what we're doing. If you have already, or plan to contact a daytrip option, for example, then do that, but let us know - especially Jonathan who has now expressed interest in heading this up. The place I am trying to have as the main notice board is the weekly agenda titanpad [1]. At least let us know there, and then, if you want let us know on IRC or email or where you feel comfortable. If you do it on a wiki, put the link to the wiki on titanpad. (And it's not a big deal to contact daytrip people more than once, it's their job to deal with us. Rather that and feeling a bit awkward than things falling through the cracks.) regards B [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Deadlines and doing stuff (Was: Artwork)
Then, more specific: Tammy, as I said multiple times, people don't want to sign-off on your designs, or give suggestions, they want to know it's possible to be part of the process, so they need the raw files. And if the raw files are too big, we need to break them into smaller raw files - raw files for just the logo, raw files or high res for the background images, for example. So you gave a website proposal, that's fine, you don't need to wait for feedback. If people felt strongly, they would speak up. They just need to know it's there. The logo's have been on git as pdf, which is not usable, but not as .svg (or .eps or .ai) which we need if we need different formats to put on the wiki, or in a press release for example. This has been blocking larjona which is why I pinged this again. Tammy, can you please give me your deadlines for the next two weeks as you understand it? I have the following items listed as urgent: * v2 brochure * logos on wiki (done?) * style guide * print ready brochure (reshuffle pages to form booklet) * things from discussion with raoul and highvoltage ... Using the website proposal as example - ask Jonathan, Raoul, I think you have already. From here on, this will be developed hand-in-hand with the wafer system, so let Stefano and Simon (Hodgestar) know. Those are the relevant people now, you don't need input from others unless they request to give it. Tammy, are you subscribed to the team list as previously requested? Click on this link to subscribe: http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Dear all > > Re: In the Local Team thread, of Jonathan being concerned about people > contacting daytrip options without his knowledge, and Tammy on this > thread being concerned that the artwork is not perfect, and talking > about deadlines. > > To me this raises three important issues to take note of, and this is > regardless if we use a project management tool or not: > * We need people to feel comfortable doing stuff. If we have to wait > on deadlines to be reached to get access to something, or wait for > people to tell us what to do, or worry who we potentially upset by > doing something, things will never get done. > * We are not each other's clients, we are a team, we need access to > things before they look nice. Developers are likely more comfortable > with this than designers, but that doesn't change that it needs to > work this way. This will *always* be an issue with multi-disciplinary > teams, and we need to be aware and sensitive to it, but I've given up > finding some miracle way to make it work without hiccups. Take > responsibility and find help. Don't just wait and get frustrated. > * If you ask for feedback and don't get any, ping someone who you feel > is the most relevant and ask them. If this person is fine with it, go > ahead. I am not that person unless you can't find someone. > > Moving forward, I suggest we try really hard to let people know what > we're doing. If you have already, or plan to contact a daytrip option, > for example, then do that, but let us know - especially Jonathan who > has now expressed interest in heading this up. > > The place I am trying to have as the main notice board is the weekly > agenda titanpad [1]. At least let us know there, and then, if you want > let us know on IRC or email or where you feel comfortable. If you do > it on a wiki, put the link to the wiki on titanpad. (And it's not a > big deal to contact daytrip people more than once, it's their job to > deal with us. Rather that and feeling a bit awkward than things > falling through the cracks.) > > regards > B > > [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/2 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Deadlines and doing stuff (Was: Artwork)
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > Hey > > On 13/10/2015 17:01, Bernelle Verster wrote: >> Using the website proposal as example - ask Jonathan, Raoul, I think >> you have already. From here on, this will be developed hand-in-hand >> with the wafer system, so let Stefano and Simon (Hodgestar) know. >> Those are the relevant people now, you don't need input from others >> unless they request to give it. > > Tammy and I sat together last night and I showed her Bootstrap and the > web elements immediately made sense to her. It's often a lot easier > showing what it is rather than trying to explain, so we're going to try > to get together often to try and keep the flow going nicely. > > We also both allocate some DebConf time on Fridays, so that works out > conveniently. Some official colours, vector logos, etc will also be up > shortly. Tammy has thought a bit about a bunch of things that will > depend on artwork in the future, it might be good to get those on the > timeline at some point too. Excellent, thanks all! Slightly related, how is the brochure v2 coming along, and when can we expect the print ready booklet version please? > > -Jonathan > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Deadlines and doing stuff (Was: Artwork)
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:06 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Bernelle Verster [2015-10-13 16:58 +0200]: >> * We need people to feel comfortable doing stuff. If we have to >> wait on deadlines to be reached to get access to something, or >> wait for people to tell us what to do, or worry who we potentially >> upset by doing something, things will never get done. > > +1 > >> * We are not each other's clients, we are a team, we need access >> to things before they look nice. Developers are likely more >> comfortable with this than designers, but that doesn't change that >> it needs to work this way. This will *always* be an issue with >> multi-disciplinary teams, and we need to be aware and sensitive to >> it, but I've given up finding some miracle way to make it work >> without hiccups. Take responsibility and find help. Don't just >> wait and get frustrated. > > +1 > >> * If you ask for feedback and don't get any, ping someone who you >> feel is the most relevant and ask them. If this person is fine >> with it, go ahead. I am not that person unless you can't find >> someone. > > +1 > > Sorry for this useless e-mail, but I just wanted to show my support. > You pretty much hit nails on their heads… Thanks > >> The place I am trying to have as the main notice board is the >> weekly agenda titanpad [1]. > > I find it a bit confusing and I wonder if that's the case for other, > more active team members? > > Maybe it would help to add a little bit more structure to it, so > that it's easier to quickly find specific information? I don't have > a more concrete proposal than that though. It's quite likely this is confusing, my brain's weird at the best of times. Feel free to edit - that's why it's a titanpad. Perhaps if we try Kanban out then this will be sorted out. Conversely, if someone feels this should be done by someone else, please feel free to suggest it. I feel quite out at sea with all of this, and don't mind stepping aside and doing some other role? > > -- > .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft > : :' : DebConf orga team > `. `'` > `- DebConf16: Cape Town: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 > DebConf17 in your country? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Kanban, dependencies, priorities, Gantt, … (was: Team Roles)
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:08 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Steve Langasek [2015-10-14 07:00 +0200]: >> Kanban also has no concept at all of deadlines; > > True, the initial tool does not have deadlines. However, all of the > implementations I checked out do support deadlines and usually do > something like highlight overdue taska in red, as Jonathan pointed > out. > >> A Gantt chart is certainly a better fit for the kind of project tracking >> involved in preparing a conference. I may have suggested Gantt charts >> during the DC14 planning; people may have assumed I was joking. >> >> I also agree with the sentiment that Gantt charts have an unfortunate >> tendency to be heavyweight and high overhead. And I don't know of any open >> source implementations. > > Well, sounds like this is a no-go. > > Also, Jonathan and others have pulled me back to reality by > questioning whether we really have that many dependencies. For if > it's only a handful, I am sure we can enforce them manually. > > I've thus made a start at trying to create a comprehensive list of > all tasks that need doing for a given DebConf instance over at > > https://titanpad.com/dc-tasks-list > > and invite you all to see what you can contribute. I made a rather rough Tasks list a few months ago, if you look it over and decide it's useful I can work it into your titanpad? https://debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Tasks > > Once we have a sizeable dataset, we could try to create a Kanban > (with deadlines) and see how usable it'd be. > > -- > .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft > : :' : DebConf orga team > `. `'` > `- DebConf16: Cape Town: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 > DebConf17 in your country? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17 > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Fwd: [Coordination] Timeline changes proposal for DC16
Hi Bremner This email is to check with you if proposed dates for registration opening and CfP are workable. They follow on from the discussion below from August (how does that lurker app work to pull up the whole thread, can someone post that link here please?) I made a titanpad draft of content for the website here: https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/9 I have since removed actual dates, like the 18th of January, and replaces them with 'mid-month', for example, to ease people's stress and give us some leeway to the external audience, but, at least internally, I would like to have an actual date to work towards. And the rough dates copied here for convenience: These dates are estimates, and will be updated in due course: * Expression of Intent opens mid January. * Sponsorship requests, Talk submissions (for first round) close end February 2016 * Accepted talks, and bursaries announced end April 2016 * Official registration closes mid May 2016 * Scheduled events submission deadline: early June (not sure about the purpose of this one?) My meta-question relates to things (e.g. the website) never being final enough to consider these dates final: I want to know what do you usually do? My proposal would be to use the dates I've listed above, as a rough aim that the website and T-shirt and swag and what not aims for. If we spill by a week on a known deadline, that is better than flailing blindly by not having a deadline at all. Your thoughts? regards B -- Forwarded message -- From: Bernelle Verster Date: Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Debconf-team] [Coordination] Timeline changes proposal for DC16 To: Michael Banck , DebConf Cape Town Bid Cc: "debconf-team@lists.debconf.org" Hi all I'm supposed to be on holiday and offline, but I've started having dreams about this thread, so... I've adapted the thread onto our Timeline [1], and copied relevant bits below. I resisted the temptation to put this onto the wider timeline [2] as well, so we can test it first. Comments welcome, but this can only be finalised after DC16 team discussion and some registration system considerations (Next IRC meeting is on 9 September, but these dates are going to be a bit of a moving target). Overall, I am very happy with where the conversation is at. B [1] - https://debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Timeline [2] - https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Timeline January (-6 months): EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Expression of intent opens 18 January 2016 (I just put in a date to get a deadline going, this can be altered by discussion) Fields filled in (tick boxes): * I am interested in attending DebCamp16 * I am interested in attending DebCamp16 * I would possibly require sponsorship for food * I would possibly require accommodation sponsorship * I would possibly require travel sponsorship * I am submitting a talk proposal (with an attachment field?) * I am considering bringing a family/more than just myself attending * Email required/have an (Alioth?) account: Join mailing list to get notified when registration opens. (I don't know what the best way to do this is, considering that the registration system may not be 100% functional at this stage yet, and might not really be needed at this stage) * EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Send reminder on 29 January 2016: Sponsorship requests, Talk submissions close Monday 29 February 2016 * EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Send reminder on 17 February 2016: Sponsorship requests, Talk submissions close Monday 29 February 2016 * EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Sponsorship requests, Talk submissions close Monday 29 February 2016 EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Registration opens Saturday 2 April 2016 Fields required: * Dates of attendance (rather than a range, tick off every day from e.g. 28 June to 9 July?) * Food required (sponsored or paid for) * Accommodation required (Sponsored or paid for) * T-shirt size * Allergies/accessibility concerns we should plan for...?? etc INTERNAL BIG DEADLINE: Bursaries, Content team make decisions by 17 April 2016 (May need date adjustment for easter...) EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Announce bursaries on Monday 24 April 2016, EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Announce bare-bones schedule on Monday 24 April 2016, - times of talks at least, perhaps some highlighted speakers if possible. EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION: Official registration closes 9 May 2016. After this date, there are no guaranteed swag bags, T-shirts or printed name badges. Attendees can no longer be sponsored, except in extreme cases. (Wording...) [todo] Find out: Last date to register for accommodation at the venue... On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Michael Banck wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:38:34PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: >> I would even consider *not* calling it pre-registration, as that is >> too close to "registration". Maybe "enrollment" instead? > > Other conferences just require that you have an account to
[Debconf-team] Flyer content: for emails to sponsors and for distribution in print and web-form to communities
Hi all The flyer is being drafted. If you want to add input, add it here: http://deb.li/flyer16 Deadline for input: Wednesday 21 Oct 2015, 23:00. (so, tomorrow) I'm busy adapting content from the DC15 flyer and the DC16 brochure, which should be sufficient, but feel free to go do your thing. Please let me or Larjona know if you struggle with access to the site, it is now on etherpad using Sandstorm.io, (storm.debian.net) ( (to fix the titan issues and dogfood about Debian ... something like that). See Larjona's email on 13 Oct for clarification. Cheers B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Meeting this week: A general sprint on stuff
Hi all This week's meeting, Wednesday 21 OCt 18:30 UTC will just be a general sprint, catch up, chat about fundraising (which is where my head is mainly at atm), flyer content... easy going, not minuted. I've moved the agenda to an etherpad using Sandstorm.io, (storm.debian.net) ( (to fix the titan issues and dogfood about Debian ... something like that). See Larjona's email on 13 Oct for clarification. Please add things you want to talk about or want people to prepare for or whatever... http://deb.li/DC16meet1 Please let me or Larjona know if you struggle with access to the site, or anything. I haven't done minutes yet, I've spent most of this week learning about all stuff Debian... it's heavy stuff. Cheers B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Meet tonight
Thanks Tammy You don't need to cc in the 16-team list, just the -team one is fine. Thank you also for the v2 of the brochure, and the awesome style guide - Siri says it's epic! Daniel asks if the flyer can be done in scribus (or inkscape). Let me know if you want to meet and work on it together, and if so when would suit you. Some people may want to play with ideas for the flyer using the style guide, if that's ok with you. regards B On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Tammy Manning wrote: > Hi All > > Not going to be able to make the meeting tonight. > > I have received one of the quotes for the folders and still awaiting a quote > from the printers. They have assured me by the end of the day. > > As soon as I have that I will send all through. > > Regards > Tammy > -- > MUNGO JOE > Tammy 082 674 9764 > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Meeting this week: A general sprint on stuff
Thanks Laura It's going to be impossible to please everyone, but are there extreme objections against moving this weekly catch-up/meeting to Thursdays, same time of 18:30UTC? I'd really rather not do another dudle thing, but it would be nice to have as many people as possible happy, and I've heard quite a few grumbles against Wednesdays. Alternatively, we can alternate between Wednesdays and Thursdays. So until the people involved in Kanban makes a strong argument for it or sends a how to email like Laura did for Sandstorm, I'm just going to let it lie... Cheers B On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Laura Arjona Reina wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all > El 20/10/15 a las 20:59, Bernelle Verster escribió: >> Hi all >> >> This week's meeting, Wednesday 21 OCt 18:30 UTC will just be a >> general sprint, catch up, chat about fundraising (which is where my >> head is mainly at atm), flyer content... easy going, not minuted. > > It's quite difficult that I can attend (in general, Wednesday is the > worst day for me being in front of the computer; but since I work only > on a small piece of the organization, and I have no problems > reporting/receiving input using the mailing list, I wouldn't ask for > changing the day). > > I've read the agenda and the only topic I think it can rely on me is: > > Kanban/http://kanboard.net/ ? > > And here is what I know (correct me if I am wrong): > > * some people (madduck, dlange, myself, ganneff?) chatted/tried it > last week after the meeting, and I suppose there are different > opinions on that (and I don't have any opinion). > * Their changes in the demo version of kanboard.net are vanished now > (http://demo.kanboard.net/ is cleaned up periodically) > * Speaking about the infrastructure, it's software that it's not > packaged in Debian and it's not deployable (currently) in > storm.debian.net, but it looks like it could be deployed in a Debian > virtual machine, if people ask for that. I don't know if anybody asked > (formally) to the Debian sysadmins a virtual machine to deploy > kanboard (I suppose not, since I think we still didn't settle on using > it or not). > > Hope that helps. > Cheers! > >> >> I've moved the agenda to an etherpad using Sandstorm.io, >> (storm.debian.net) ( (to fix the titan issues and dogfood about >> Debian ... something like that). See Larjona's email on 13 Oct for >> clarification. >> >> Please add things you want to talk about or want people to prepare >> for or whatever... http://deb.li/DC16meet1 >> >> Please let me or Larjona know if you struggle with access to the >> site, or anything. >> >> I haven't done minutes yet, I've spent most of this week learning >> about all stuff Debian... it's heavy stuff. >> >> Cheers B ___ >> Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org >> http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team >> > > > - -- > Laura Arjona Reina > https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Meeting this week: A general sprint on stuff
Hi all Quick update on stuff that was chatted about last night. ACTIONS required: * Sponsor: if team wants to know anything or have suggestions, email spon...@debconf.org We need more local people on fundraising team! * Kanban/http://kanboard.net/ ? superfly, DLange, madduck If we want to use this, then someone must send an email to -team on next steps required please. * Sprint in January in Cape Town? tumbleweed to ask if needed, in -team * sandstorm: larjona, there was some grumbles about sandstorm (around 20:00 UTC), I asked Ganneff et al to let you know the issues but what they said in IRC may be sufficient for feedback? To take note: * Ganneff noted that it makes sense to minute/MeetBot the meetings regardless of whether they are sprints or not. * DebCamp dates from 23rd June (so made a bit longer: a week of DebCamp) * Move the meeting to e.g. Thursday? waiting for Daylight savings to get done with before polling again * Flyer content is fine: http://deb.li/flyer16 - A4 page, in Scribus/Inkscape, * Brochure v2 is ready (git.debian.org/git/debconf-data/media.debconf.org) tiny changes, v3: https://titanpad.com/DC16-sponsorship-brochure-tiny-issues (no date for this to be incorporated yet, maybe never...) * Take note: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Artwork - thanks highvoltage, tamo! * Update team page?: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/LocalTeamRoles - don't see any urgent action required ... And then there was this thing about choice of editors Cheers B On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Hi all > > This week's meeting, Wednesday 21 OCt 18:30 UTC will just be a general > sprint, catch up, chat about fundraising (which is where my head is > mainly at atm), flyer content... easy going, not minuted. > > I've moved the agenda to an etherpad using Sandstorm.io, > (storm.debian.net) ( (to fix > the titan issues and dogfood about Debian ... something like that). > See Larjona's email on 13 Oct for clarification. > > Please add things you want to talk about or want people to prepare for > or whatever... > http://deb.li/DC16meet1 > > Please let me or Larjona know if you struggle with access to the site, > or anything. > > I haven't done minutes yet, I've spent most of this week learning > about all stuff Debian... it's heavy stuff. > > Cheers > B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Brochure: v3 changes + some general points
Hi all The sponsors team have received some feedback from their contacts on the brochure. I've collated these and put them up on the titanpad [1]. There is no deadline at present for these to be incorporated, but it'll probably happen mid November. They're smallish changes, and my interest is in the wider emphasis they represent, as this will also teach me more about the project. Please have a look at the titanpad and add your thoughts? Then, unrelated, the CMC (conference management centre) contract has been signed and sent on to the UCT Regsitrar. Belinda at CMC said we should be able to start with the accommodation contract this week, which, when finalised should properly fix the dates, then we can officially announce them. UCT is closed this week due to democratic activism (which I support). This may provide some temporary inconvenience though. On IRC we discusssed starting DebCamp earlier - from the 23rd of June. This does not add (much) extra cost or effort so I support this, and it adds much benefit to attendees (a full week of DebCamp). Please let me know if you don't agree. In othe news, the tourism restrictions that concerns us, especially those with families, are being lifted [2]. Best regards Bernelle [1] - https://titanpad.com/DC16-sponsorship-brochure-tiny-issues [2] - http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-10-25-malusi-gigabas-unabridged-loss-is-south-africas-victory/#.Vi3252crKao ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Flyer content: for emails to sponsors and for distribution in print and web-form to communities
Hi all, Tammy What is the progress on the flyer please? Did anyone work on this? Tammy said she'll get to it last Thursday, anyone else? regards B On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Hi all > > The flyer is being drafted. If you want to add input, add it here: > > http://deb.li/flyer16 > > Deadline for input: Wednesday 21 Oct 2015, 23:00. (so, tomorrow) > > I'm busy adapting content from the DC15 flyer and the DC16 brochure, > which should be sufficient, but feel free to go do your thing. > > Please let me or Larjona know if you struggle with access to the site, > it is now on etherpad using Sandstorm.io, (storm.debian.net) ( (to fix > the titan issues and dogfood about Debian ... something like that). > See Larjona's email on 13 Oct for clarification. > > Cheers > B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Meeting this week: general sprint?
Hi all I'm not aware of any issues to be dealt with this week, are there any? There are activities going on: * Fundraising * Website development - can we get a status update on that please? * A4 single page Flyer in Inkscape/Scribus * ? If there are no burning issues, then this week's meeting is just a general catch up sprint again. It will be logged as per Ganneff's request. regards B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Earlier DebCamp
Everyone: STOP RIGHT THERE. I've just recovered from the last flamewar and thngs are moving smoothly as far as I can tell. We don't need to bicker over this. We'll try our best and see how it goes, this is not a biggie. Cheers B On Wednesday, 28 October 2015, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > > > On 10/28/2015 02:39 PM, Richard Hartmann wrote: > > If you want to go camping on a random field, paying for all travel, > > food, Internet, etc out of your own pocket and bring a bunch of > > friends and cables along, I don't think anyone will stop you. > > > > Sounds fair enough. > > > If you want the tiniest bit more than that, someone has to invest > > the (wo)man months to make a location, food, infrastructure, etc > > happen. > > > > There are always (at least were) (wo)man willing to do that (the bid > team, local team etc) so I don't see how that is changing with > creating dozens of teams with somekind procedures (you still end up > relying on volunteers: those that will come to location, bring bunch > of friends, cables etc). > > > You're welcome :) Richard > > > > Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. > > > > Anyway, there is still 0 failed DebConfs, and making DebConf look more > like commercial organization doesn't prevent the chance of failing it > (it happens because people want it to happen and love it, not because > you just make some rules about it - notice that self-organized doesn't > mean *not organized*) > > Cheers, > > zlatan > - -- > It's not the COST, it's the VALUE > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWMO7FAAoJEC5cILs3kzv9ZI8P/AulcjhanqRTuMBh0wfcw8Cn > roesCBnG7fFXJT8pxQ4f6MTQtjYr1i/xhppetSn5pqtNFYU8HXN8qF9jqo2SDUH8 > oRLT3ulBRgvkGTYtOJf68j+Pi74oH984RvEfTaB1/FBvIo58ai+yLxnZpyJlbF/P > QWqu5wMvA3F2U3+ndxAVNRGg03SzK1c0eote+1mRTO8KKZW/9dExJ22ds24Lk3Rs > hbetIXAS8xnjHgC7hPhSVJA/zARqJ/BJ1l5BDcd499bJ/+tCFEYJ5zA9JKOIyo1F > RtsSpsNhLDEjkALH6zJa5iHUUyj81uOnIYJmxUrUXtFeT8rHbd+vp1ojQuwoyd1v > AqdHZ8pWtnlkVjZmUiQWNS69WTEHLJVvskZ/Qm4iy2Ght+i4EgjYr8/7wJ9JOHda > L8ktv+jXKdYdWaA0BBlaOZU9aJdXrQtRPX9wj83qUF+1Bz1fbCVrYgK99Z9bff7L > 2gMK7WfXJ9bczq8lrtwNpwWjqd1VPOpUv1I2r+TtVuuwR3P9qCqP9veSSPGPyXGj > ka2TKrc39XHr3c2Tl/kuOSzc2zhq0SUpMVMswCt7hKtmemzv9gUjJ4XbXs31dDVD > bPuG3c740hQ5cdbyhmpqcO1QgZSqmBdGK1hs0aYRycePfB/6F2ow89t8UKNDzpKp > RexgdYZVizEIT5tYsAaq > =la+C > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Last meeting logs and next meeting agenda
Hi all This currently lives on sandstorm [1] TLDR: Can everyone try out Kanban? It is not required for you to use it, we will try to coordinate communications between those who use it and those who don't, but please go try it out and see what you think. Links further down. Next meeting: 4 November 2015 18:30 UTC Potential items for discussion: 1. DC15 report finish 2. Sponsors: * Come up with a fundraising schedule * Need lead on making sure someone is working on the stuff we are promising sponsors. * Discuss: send the swag to sponsors again? ** We either should drop it or organize it well during DC16. Need to decide early and be consistent with what we tell sponsors. 3. Marketing (may schedule a specific meeting with larjona, who can't really make Wednesdays) 4. ?... 21 Oct logs: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings/2015-10-21 28 Oct meeting's logs: http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2015/debconf-team.2015-10-28-18.35.html (and below) Apologies: edrz, ginggs 1. Website development - status update (tumbleweed) rough outline of chunks of work required: * we need to skin our wafer instance, so that it's better than the current static site, and can replace it * we need to get a dev version of the wafer site up * we need to get a production version of the wafer site up those are the logical steps I see, now the first two can happen in either order 2. KanBan see https://storm.debian.net/shared/wq6OxE5Mu4IkHVBjmBVH9ROgMiAgTAak_lumcsYSfDa and https://github.com/wekan/wekan 3. Fundraising going well, please keep thinking about leads. indiebio's debconf email was being retarded with RTs... 4. A4 single page Flyer in Inkscape/Scribus Tammy will upload to dropbox team to help with fixing her git. sandstorm/titanpad? (not discussed) 5. General (DebConf mentors: what should we be busy with right now? Are we missing something?) What to call colours ... (this degraded post meeting, humourously) Cheers B [1] - https://storm.debian.net/shared/pg75HcKvGVql2SS_PdlitmnPFMUTTYz4_A6mqT_LeDr ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Fwd: DebConf16 Accommodation: 26 June - 10 July 2016
Hi Please see below. I think we're pretty much at the point where we can announce the final dates. I have asked for some guarantee, to make super sure. cheers B -- Forwarded message -- From: Phelokazi Mbebe Date: Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM Subject: RE: DebConf16 Accommodation: 26 June - 10 July 2016 To: Belinda Chapman Cc: "Bernelle Verster (bernel...@gmail.com)" Dear Belinda With regards to your booking enquiry for June/July, we can provisionally book the residences for you. Please bear in mind the university will be hosting graduation in June/July this may have an impact on our June/ July Vac period as well. Also maintenance schedule for 2016 has not been communicated yet for the residences, this may have an impact in residence allocation for you. But we can pencil down this group down for Fuller and Smuts. I can confirm later whether or not Fuller and Smuts will be available for use. Kind regards, Phelokazi Mbebe (Mrs) Acting Senior Co-ordinator Vacation Accommodation Office Student Housing & Residence Life Department of Student Affairs Room 1.01| Avenue House Avenue Road Mowbray Email: phelokazi.mb...@uct.ac.za Telephone: +27 (0)21 650 1052 -Original Message- From: Belinda Chapman [mailto:belinda.chap...@uct.ac.za] Sent: 03 November 2015 10:22 AM To: Phelokazi Mbebe Cc: Bernelle Verster (bernel...@gmail.com) Subject: DebConf16 Accommodation: 26 June - 10 July 2016 Hi Phelo I hope all is good with you. I am now getting in touch with regards to the residence accommodation booking request for next year's Debian Developers Conference 2016. Please can you confirm that the dates below are available. Accommodation 1st choice is: Fuller residence, with overflow into Smuts Hall. Numbers: Accommodation: In 23 June 2016 - Out Friday 1 July 2016 ( 8 nights) - 100 people / Saturday 2 July 2016 - Saturday 9 July 2016 (8 nights) - 300 people Breakfast: 24 June 2016 - Friday 1 July 2016 (7 meals) - 100 people / Saturday 2 July 2016 - Sunday 10 July 2016 (9 meals) - 300 people No towels or soaps included. Thanks Belinda Belinda Chapman Conference Management Centre Standard Bank Building (1st Floor) Conference Organiser 37-39 Main Road, Mowbray Email: belinda.chap...@uct.ac.za Telephone: +27 (021) 406 6381 / Fax: +27 (021) 650 1926 Website: www.uct-cmc.co.za Follow us on Twitter @ UCT_CMC UNIVERSITY OF CAPE TOWN This e-mail is subject to the UCT ICT policies and e-mail disclaimer published on our website at http://www.uct.ac.za/about/policies/emaildisclaimer/ or obtainable from +27 21 650 9111. This e-mail is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If the e-mail has reached you in error, please notify the author. If you are not the intended recipient of the e-mail you may not use, disclose, copy, redirect or print the content. If this e-mail is not related to the business of UCT it is sent by the sender in the sender's individual capacity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] 'meeting' tonight: General discussion
Hi all Sorry for the late notice, tonight's meeting is again a general discussion chat. Things to note: * Daniel asks people to look at the governance proposals [1] and [2] and comment / discuss what they would like to have as "governance" going into 2016. * The website is coming along well - is the current one on wafer already? [3] There is talk of a sprint in January, which may involve flying people to Cape Town. Stefano knows more here, we should discuss the options. * I'm still waiting on a flyer draft. * For fundraising, we should also discuss and agree on whether we want to send the swag to sponsors again. DC15 had a hiccup here, but DC13 and DC14 did send swag to sponsors. And whatever we decide we can then tell sponsors consistently and early if they ask. Daniel's opinion is that there are very valid reasons to at least send bags and shirts, but feel more ambivalent about sending swag from other vendors. And to note: Michael (azeem) suggested we should have a more organized push to debrief DC15 sponsors, and asking them about whether they appreciated and/or in future want the sponsor bag would be one. DC16 can also add their thoughts here. * I've forwarded an email from the accommodation people. I think we should announce the dates. * There is a publicity meeting Sunday 8 November. * General ?? Cheers B [1] - https://titanpad.com/DC16-draft-delegation-proposal [2] - https://titanpad.com/DC16-draft-delegation-proposal-alternative [3] - http://debconf16.debconf.org ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] 'meeting' tonight: General discussion
Hi Just a note on the dates below... (included in line) (the rest I don't have strong enough opinions on to contribute, can chat in the meeting) B On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Brian Gupta wrote: > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Bernelle Verster wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Sorry for the late notice, tonight's meeting is again a general discussion >> chat. > > I don't know if I'll be at meeting, so here are my (more than a) few > cents. Go ahead and ping me in IRC, but there's at least 50% chance > I'll be busy. > >> Things to note: >> >> * Daniel asks people to look at the governance proposals [1] and [2] >> and comment / discuss what they would like to have as "governance" >> going into 2016. > > Please note there was another alternative proposed, that has support. [1] > > That proposal, which I made, was to use the text of the original > DebConf delegation from 2011 [2]. > > Although it's a huge challenge to find people committed enough to > stick with DebConf year after year, and there may if been some rough > edges in the most recent "teams" implementation, I came to strongly > believe in what the former chairs were trying to do. They were trying > to build a sustainable organization that would live on after a single > DebConf, that learned from experiences and builds upon them, while > still leaving room for innovation. > > The idea of long running subteams makes sense, particularly in the > fundraising area, where we have recurring long term contact with a > subset of our sponsors. (How the subteams are structured is an > implementation detail, so I'm not set on the lead/shadows/mentors > formal structure). > > Taking a step back and looking at the conflict between local-team and > global-team. It's not inevitable. What we should be striving to do, is > to have each bid/bid-team set the major expectations, and have the > committee evaluate not just the team, but also the bid. If the bid > team sets the expectations properly and the committee selects the bid, > that agreement should be considered akin to a contract between local > and global, in that it sets expectations for the following 18 months. > > The selection committee should not select a bid that has something in > it they won't be able to support after the selection is made, even if > it means delaying the selection process, and even opening it up for > additional bids. The bid team should make clear in their bid, how open > they are to working with the global team. If a bid is selected and > their is a disagreement down the road, people should take a breather > and see what the initial expectations were. > > We really need to strive for both a stong local and strong global > teams, so we can have a > >> * The website is coming along well - is the current one on wafer already? [3] >> There is talk of a sprint in January, which may involve flying people >> to Cape Town. Stefano knows more here, we should discuss the options. > > Is this for just DC16, or would this work be applied to future > DebConfs? Also how much budget are we discussing? My quick thoughts > are that a sprint could be justified, if it's not one-off work, in > that it won't be leveraged for future DebConfs, and/or the budget > being requested isn't very large. IE: If we are thinking wafer has a > good shot at being the new summit/web/everything for DC16+, and it's > not a large monetary amount, then this makes sense. > >> * I'm still waiting on a flyer draft. >> >> * For fundraising, we should also discuss and agree on whether we want >> to send the swag to sponsors again. DC15 had a hiccup here, but DC13 >> and DC14 did send swag to sponsors. And whatever we decide we can then >> tell sponsors consistently and early if they ask. Daniel's opinion is >> that there are very valid reasons to at least send bags and shirts, >> but feel more ambivalent about sending swag from other vendors. >> And to note: Michael (azeem) suggested we should have a more organized >> push to debrief DC15 sponsors, and asking them about whether they >> appreciated and/or in future want the sponsor bag would be one. DC16 >> can also add their thoughts here. > > 1) Some reading [2] on fundraising suggests that surprise gifts to > donors can be effective, but if it seems like the donor is "buying" > the gift, it can be instead be counterproductive. It clearly strongly > discourages promising the gift as a reward for donation. (Bear in mind > donors motivations are somewhat different than sponsors.) > 2) For sponsors at silver+ I feel it is useful to show how the
[Debconf-team] No action required, other than to take note: ShowMeBox and DebConf16
Hi all This is not relevant to DebConf orga, but I don't want you to feel left out, so please be aware that I am working on the ShowMeBox, and currently asking people to help me design the competition. The email I am sending them is below. Cheers B ___ Subject: Advice requested: Designing a open data analytics competition targeted to high school students Hi We are designing a competition targeted at high school students, involving (Free and Open Source) software (Debian) and hardware. The ShowMeBox is a competition that uses software and open source hardware to visualize data relevant to the participants. It is designed to promote Debian and the art of open data analytics. We are currently working on the technical aspects of the competition, but I need input on how best to design the user-facing part of the competition, what the students will see, how they will interact with us, how we will reach them, what issues to consider, how best to pitch it to high school students, etc. We were thinking of having a long running competition, but the advice I have received so far is to have a short competition -no longer than one day. We hope to start the marketing of the competition before the end of the year, and we need the competition to end, with prize giving, during the international Debian Developers Conference held in Cape Town next year - DebConf16 - around 2 July 2016. We are at this stage considering about 300 entrants, but this is flexible either way. More information can be found here: https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox Could you please let me know if you are willing to help, with an indication of costs (if any - we are all volunteers, but willing to commit funds to this to do it right), and if you can't assist, if you can recommend other people, or resources, books, websites... best regards Bernelle Verster (indiebio) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Tammy Manning sent you "Flyer"
Hi Tammy I've reworked the paragraph text, how does this work for you? I've also removed the links from the action points - we should rather work them into the website, so people have one point to go to. DebConf is the annual conference for Debian contributors and users interested in improving the Debian project, one of the largest Free Software projects worldwide. The Debian Project is an association of volunteer individuals who have made common cause to create an operating system comprised entirely of Free Software. Once a year they gather and concentrate on the development and improvement of the Debian distribution. DebConf is a combination of concurrent scheduled talks, plenaries, development sprints, hacking time and ad-hoc meetings and sessions. In 2016, DebConf will be hosted in Cape Town, South Africa, for the first time. Get involved! * Learn more about Debian * Join us at Debian Day, open to the public * Watch past talks * Exhibit at the Information Art expo during DebConf * Participate in the ShowMeBox * Sponsor! Contact spons...@debconf.org for assistance DebConf is organized solely by volunteers and a fair amount of attendees are subsidised to attend, from across the globe, thanks to generous support. Our sponsorship levels and some of the perks associated with them are: The flyer text still lives here: http://deb.li/flyer16 There is also feedback on the brochure on that page. I've also copied this to the titanpad for ease of reference. (https://titanpad.com/DC16-sponsorship-brochure-tiny-issues) regards B On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Michael Banck wrote: > Hi Tammy, > > On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 04:23:51PM +, Tammy via Dropbox wrote: >> Please see the Flyer: the Flyer PDF is 3 Options of layout, and the >> Inkscape Options are added separately but are large files. Still to be >> added are Options 2 and Options 3 in the Inkscape format. > > Wow, great! > >> Some of the info doesn't fit due to the table taking up most of the >> space but on the Landscape option I can get more in. > > I looked at the PDF version, and there's something weird going on with > the table: row 7 is empty, and the text of the left-most column has lots > of padding on the right. Was row 7 too long? Maybe it can be rephrased > then. > > But that's the only obvious issue I saw at first glance, it's looking > great otherwise IMO. > > > Michael > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Tammy Manning sent you "Flyer"
The pdf and .svg is also on git now. On Thursday, 05 November 2015, Graham Inggs wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 04:23:51PM +, Tammy via Dropbox wrote: > >> Please see the Flyer: the Flyer PDF is 3 Options of layout, and the > >> Inkscape Options are added separately but are large files. Still to be > >> added are Options 2 and Options 3 in the Inkscape format. > > Weird, I didn't get this mail. > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Tammy Manning sent you "Flyer"
Yes, for now. Of course, please feel free to take initiative, using the content in the brochure as a guide. On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Tammy Manning wrote: > Great thanks Bernelle for the feedback, > > is this the final copy then, for now? > > Regards > Tammy > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Bernelle Verster > wrote: >> >> Hi Tammy >> >> I've reworked the paragraph text, how does this work for you? >> I've also removed the links from the action points - we should rather >> work them into the website, so people have one point to go to. >> >> >> >> DebConf is the annual conference for Debian contributors and users >> interested in improving the Debian project, one of the largest Free >> Software projects worldwide. The Debian Project is an association of >> volunteer individuals who have made common cause to create an >> operating system comprised entirely of Free Software. >> >> Once a year they gather and concentrate on the development and >> improvement of the Debian distribution. DebConf is a combination of >> concurrent scheduled talks, plenaries, development sprints, hacking >> time and ad-hoc meetings and sessions. In 2016, DebConf will be hosted >> in Cape Town, South Africa, for the first time. >> >> Get involved! >> >> * Learn more about Debian >> * Join us at Debian Day, open to the public >> * Watch past talks >> * Exhibit at the Information Art expo during DebConf >> * Participate in the ShowMeBox >> * Sponsor! Contact spons...@debconf.org for assistance >> >> DebConf is organized solely by volunteers and a fair amount of >> attendees are subsidised to attend, from across the globe, thanks to >> generous support. Our sponsorship levels and some of the perks >> associated with them are: >> >> >> >> >> >> The flyer text still lives here: http://deb.li/flyer16 >> There is also feedback on the brochure on that page. I've also copied >> this to the titanpad for ease of reference. >> (https://titanpad.com/DC16-sponsorship-brochure-tiny-issues) >> >> regards >> B >> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Michael Banck wrote: >> > Hi Tammy, >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 04:23:51PM +, Tammy via Dropbox wrote: >> >> Please see the Flyer: the Flyer PDF is 3 Options of layout, and the >> >> Inkscape Options are added separately but are large files. Still to be >> >> added are Options 2 and Options 3 in the Inkscape format. >> > >> > Wow, great! >> > >> >> Some of the info doesn't fit due to the table taking up most of the >> >> space but on the Landscape option I can get more in. >> > >> > I looked at the PDF version, and there's something weird going on with >> > the table: row 7 is empty, and the text of the left-most column has lots >> > of padding on the right. Was row 7 too long? Maybe it can be rephrased >> > then. >> > >> > But that's the only obvious issue I saw at first glance, it's looking >> > great otherwise IMO. >> > >> > >> > Michael >> > ___ >> > Debconf-team mailing list >> > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org >> > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > > > > -- > MUNGO JOE > Tammy 082 674 9764 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Budget, and some swag ideas
Hi all I wanted to chase up some prices for Nigel, see below. I asked a few companies for swag bag prices, and the first to respond was also the most creative on their offerings. If you're interested, I loaded their brochures on git. They also have blankets, how about that instead of a bag? I also want to send a poll to people on #debconf asking what sort of bags they'd like. Obviously laptop bags are great, but I think people have millions already. What open source poll things are out there? How best to go about this? Lastly, some info at the very bottom about childcare on campus. Nigel, this may help you a bit: - Attendee swag T-shirts: ?? swag bags: R100 - R200 lanyard: R20 other things? - Open weekend R20 000 - Sponsor fulfillment ? - T-shirts and swag bags for them, postage - Conference dinner Work on R300pp (found on Moyo website (no longer at Spier??) + R60 booze pp? - Day trip ? - Entertainment This should be free, get up-and-coming bands and people to chip in to support them. We may need to think of venue options though... So ... R10 000? (conservative estimate) - Infrastructure ?? - Video team ?? - Child care R85 per day, estimate 15 children (we may ask parents to carry this?) Childcare: Contact: Marilyn Petersen-Sanders DebConf contact: Graham Inggs Our numbers per class are fixed, starting Jan to Dec. Mid-year vac is probably a good time. We can only consider ad hoc admissions when children are on sabbatical or vacation with their parents. Based on experience there may be 2 to 3 openings per class. The cost per day is R85.00. We do not offer meals therefore parents are required to send along packed lunches and healthy snacks. We do not operate over weekends as per all schools in the Western cape, however we can organize childcare for this group only (8.00 to 16.00). Many thanks and kind regards Marilyn ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Budget, and some swag ideas
Just quick replies before I'm off to bed On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:13 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Bernelle Verster [2015-11-09 10:42 +1300]: >> They also have blankets, how about that instead of a bag? > > The bag is useful to hold swag from sponsors and for stuff to be > carried around. I don't think it'll fly well to do without. Noted, but if advance notice is given for people to bring their own?? I feel that this would be best settled by asking debconfers. How do we do polls in Debian? > > And while I cannot picture dozens of Debianites wrapped up in > blankets, I suppose it does depend a bit on what temperature to > expect. Are you secretly preparing us for the power outages? ;) It's winter, and DebConf is not often held in winter, so I'm thinking how to leverage that as an opportunity. Just ideas ... not sold on anything... > > Do keep in mind that blankets are quite voluminous and that might > well mean people have to leave them behind. > > FYI, during DC15 I wish we had made Debian pens. > Noted. > Mid-market rates are currently 14 ZAR/USD and 15 ZAR/EUR: > > http://deb.li/dc16zar > > Maybe we could get in the habit of including the exchange rates in > such e-mails? I've added it to the /topic on our channel. Noted and agreed. > >> Nigel, this may help you a bit: >> >> - Attendee swag >> T-shirts: ?? >> swag bags: R100 - R200 > > That sound expensive. FTR, the DC15 bags were ca. 4 € or 60 ZAR. > Arguably, we were on the cheap side, but even the DC13 laptop bags > weren't much more expensive than that. There are many options for the R60 - R80 or so price range. Depends what we go for. I'm aiming the budget for the conservative range (sneakily, perhaps :) ). Whatever we go for, I'd rather have less swag items of better quality, than junk. I did like the DC15 bags, they were fit-for purpose. But if it's a laptop bag, it must be good. > >> lanyard: R20 > > Perfect. Otoh, don't we have enough lanyards from DC15 left over? Possibly. I thought they were scratchy though, but I guess we can re-use them. > >> - Open weekend >> R20 000 > > For what? No idea. I haven't thought this through yet. Could probably make do with whatever I have. Maybe R5 000 for flyers, some T-shirts, stickers, and things to give away? > >> - Sponsor fulfillment >> ? - T-shirts and swag bags for them, postage > > Good to plan for it, although it's to be decided whether we'll keep > doing this. > >> - Conference dinner >> Work on R300pp (found on Moyo website (no longer at Spier??) + R60 booze pp? > > Sounds good. Is there transportation involved? Yes. So we'll have to factor that in. > >> - Entertainment >> This should be free, get up-and-coming bands and people to chip in to >> support them. >> We may need to think of venue options though... So ... R10 000? >> (conservative estimate) > > What are venue options in this context? Uhm... will think about it. Baxter theatre could work, or the foyer of the engineering building, but won't be soundproof. There's also the tennis courts a bit up (about 200m walk)... The tennis courts may be perfect, actually. And will be cheap/free. > >> - Child care >> Our numbers per class are fixed, starting Jan to Dec. Mid-year vac is >> probably a good time. We can only consider ad hoc admissions when >> children are on sabbatical or vacation with their parents. Based on >> experience there may be 2 to 3 openings per class. The cost per day >> is R85.00. We do not offer meals therefore parents are required to >> send along packed lunches and healthy snacks. > > I don't think you'll be able to get parents to sign up for this in > advance and carry the costs. Long-term, this might be a great > solution for some (!) parents, but I don't think we're quite there > yet, nor does feedback from last year suggest that parents are > generally open to idea to give their kids away like this. > > Rather I think we'll fare much better with on-site babysitters like > at DC15. Is this a possibility? It could, but this day-care centre is about 100m from the venue. (Not having kids) I still think this is a reasonable amount of space :). The bottom line for this conversation though is that I think is this is likely not needed in the budget? The venue this year will have three levels so should be easy to keep some as quiet levels and some as kid-friendly... we need to think about it more though. > > -- > .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft > : :' : DebConf orga team > `. `'` > `- DebConf16: Cape Town: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 > DebConf17 in your country? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17 > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Address in .za
Hi all Nigel said he has a "corporate private bag in constantia ... literally a big bag that is picked up twice a week, its not a problem to c/o something there if need be", and my Post Box that I use for everything below: PostNet Suite 23 Private Bag X7 Muizenberg 7950 SOUTH AFRICA Let me know if you need more info/help. best regards Bernelle (indiebio) On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Richard Hartmann wrote: > Dear all, > > Sipgate wants to sponsor dc16 and also want to offer telephony again. > > Due to .za law, they need a valid postal address for that. Who is willing to > have their address registered? > > Richard > > Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. > > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Meeting/Discussion chat tonight: Budget, Delegation ...?
Hi all I'm in a full day meeting today, so won't be very compost mental tonight, but issues I noticed this week is budget items and the delegation stuff. Feedback on website and sponsorship is 'ongoing', but there seems to be activity, at least. Please feel free to report back on anything. Cheers B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Progress on flyer & print-ready brochure?
Hi Tammy Can you tell me what the progress is with the flyer as well as the print-ready brochure? Thanks B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Sponsor email rework - advice please
hi all I'm not getting responses from local companies and I think it has to do with not really knowing Debian. So I've been toying with a reword of the sponsor email. The full email is at [1], and the bit that I inserted is below - please let me know if it is correct. (This could potentially also work for the second page of the print flyer) What is Debian? * A complete, Free and Open Source Software Operating System * The largest Open Source Project in the world: The current release includes over 43,000 ready-to-use software packages built from nearly 20,100 source packages for more than ten computer architectures * The supporting structure for over 130 actively developed operating systems, including the Linux kernel and the Ubuntu operating system. Be part of the project that ... * Is used to protect privacy and anonymity by groups such as the journalists responsible for the NSA revelations. * Is particularly well suited to Education and research applications, system administration, gaming platforms and public institutions. I need something here that appeals to corporate types... More about Debian: https://www.debian.org/intro/about Cheers B [1] - https://debconf16-capetown.titanpad.com/10 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf15 Thank you ad.
Hi I like the version 5(a) because it has the least amount of text. Thanks! B On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Daniel Lange wrote: > Am 11.11.2015 um 23:14 schrieb Donald Norwood: >> >> http://debconf-data.alioth.debian.org/tmp/ >> >> Please be vocal and let us know of the 3 which you would prefer (and >> what changes should be made). > > > Great, thank you very much for putting work into this! > > I like ad5 best because it includes the DC16 info. > > Text: > "Devian" -> "Debian" > remove comma before "which" > "all of your sponsors" -> "all of our sponsors" > > I'd probably remove the "To them we say:". This line is not necessary. > > I'd ad the DC16 logo and probably make the lower part of the ad (the DC16 > piece) visually similar to the > mail graphical element on http://debconf16.debconf.org/ . > Tammy Manning (Tamo) could supply you a svg to include if you like this > idea. > > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] AfricaCom: 17-19Nov15, Cape Town
Hi FYI, may have some sponsor potentials. Link: http://africa.comworldseries.com/about-africa-com/ ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Formal meeting: Wednesday 18:30 UTC: Delegation for DebConf
Hi all This email relates to having a meeting to decide how to move forward with the Chair/Delegation situation. The three proposals at play are: [1] - A two-person delegation [2] - A new -ctte annually [3] - The original 2011 proposal Can we discuss this at a formal meeting this Wednesday 18:30 UTC (20:30 SAST), with a decision taken by the end of that meeting. If there's unclarity about time due to DST or whatever, it's the time that fits with 20:30 SAST. ___ My opinion is the following: Use the 2011 proposal [3], but change the three Chair roles to two, to avoid time wasted with internal chair-deliberations, renamed to 'Delegates' for clarity. One role takes the Continuity role (making sure there is mentoring available, either by the Delegate themself, or by putting the new teammembers in touch with the relevant people), and the other the Controlling role (e.g. budget), as per [1]. Assigning the Delegates should be done however it was done for the 2011 proposal. I think the underlying process needs work, so I would suggest the delegates should check that there are a few experienced DebConfers helping bid teams before the decisions, sothat there is a clear understanding that the teams are competent by the time bid decisions are made. Paraphrasing an earlier thread: "The bidding team's own conference orga experience and dedication [can be gauged through participation by experienced DebConfers and] combined with the DebConf knowledge brought to the table through the early supporters can result in a very convincing bid by a team that included non-locals." It goes without saying that I find this whole thing exhausting, and I couldn't care how we solve this either way, as long as it goes away. Hopefully, by the end of the meeting on Wednesday, there is a plan to achieve this. My personal opinion is also, that these three proposals are pretty much the same, and the only thing stopping them from converging is ego. So swallow the ego - ALL of you, grow your big-person panties, find a way to make all three proposals fit into one, and by no later than Wednesday evening. And if I see one snarky reply going on the defensive I'm sending this whole thread to spam and you'll have to make do without me. I don't have time for this childish shit. Cheers B [1] - https://titanpad.com/DC16-draft-delegation-proposal [2] - https://titanpad.com/DC16-draft-delegation-proposal-alternative [3] - https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/03/msg5.html ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Formal meeting: Wednesday 18:30 UTC: Delegation for DebConf
st work differently. I do disagree with your statement that I am "in no position to set a deadline for decisions about how the DebConf team is organized within Debian". This is affecting the organisation of the DebConf I was involved in, so it affects me, which puts me in this position. But, I will follow your advice and distance myself, as I do not want to be associated with the way things are done here. I, as a not-quite-an-adult, also have better things to do with my time. Look at this, another half a day wasted on meta-talk. So it pains me to say, with immediate effect, I'm out. I find rage-quitting childish and irresponsible, and for this I am very sorry. I am so sorry. If I was stronger, more ... competent ... I could face up to you, call you out, fix this. But I am not smart or strong enough. All I have is my blind disrespect and my passion. Fortunately I'll probably still chat to members of the team, we're friends, after all, and may (or, heck, may not) contribute through them. I have tried my best to document everything I have done on the wiki and on git, sothat a transition, if I left (which I have been considering since my time in Germany, which was ... a bipolar eye-opener) would be as easy as I could make it. But as of now, I don't have to feel responsible. I don't have to care if things don't get done. What bliss. What a relief to be rid of this burden. All the best. B On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: > Bernelle, > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 01:56:55PM +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote: >> It goes without saying that I find this whole thing exhausting, and I >> couldn't care how we solve this either way, as long as it goes away. >> Hopefully, by the end of the meeting on Wednesday, there is a plan to >> achieve this. My personal opinion is also, that these three proposals >> are pretty much the same, and the only thing stopping them from >> converging is ego. So swallow the ego - ALL of you, grow your >> big-person panties, find a way to make all three proposals fit into >> one, and by no later than Wednesday evening. And if I see one snarky >> reply going on the defensive I'm sending this whole thread to spam and >> you'll have to make do without me. I don't have time for this childish >> shit. > > This is not the first time I've seen such insulting remarks from you on the > mailing list. You seem to have lots of opinions about how DebConf business > should be conducted, and that's fine. But you need to be able to express > those opinions respectfully. > > You are in no position to set a deadline for decisions about how the DebConf > team is organized within Debian. If you are unable to accept that without > resorting to insults, then it would be rather a good idea if you *did* > distance yourself, because you are doing quite a lot of harm to what little > remains of the DebConf team. > > Debian Developers are not children, and you are not our mother; we are > adults who have better things to do with our time than take verbal abuse > from you or anyone else. If your goal is to drive people away from > involvement in DebConf then you're doing a fine job of it. Otherwise, you > need to stop. Now. > > -- > Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS > Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. > Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ > slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] I get by with a little help from my friends
Hi Thanks Allison. I am involved with: * Fundraising (but I don't have deep Debian or industry knowledge, can only send emails, do grunt work - need more local 'insiders' here) * Facilities: Accommodation, venue and food (need at least one other person to be cc'ed in at all times to ensure continuity, currently Graham and Stefano) * Open weekend, incl ** ShowMeBox, and as it links to the ** Interactive Art exhibition (this has not shaped yet and has not been advertised, any ideas, please take to a new thread). Please note, things I am NOT involved with: * Poker * Team lead * Any discussion around Debian, DebConf - aka the meta-discussions. This is as it relates to -team only, and not to my involvement in the Debian Publicity team. * For the moment I am not actively attending weekly team meetings. I can give status reports via Stefano. It may be useful to take this thread into the direction of roles/tasks still needed, as Joseph (and hopefully others) may be joining the team soon in local capacity. Regards B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] DebConf16: Food discussion
Hi It's time to start moving with the Food. We've had a brief discussion on IRC during the meeting, so one can check the logs, no decisions yet. Two things need to happen: 1. We need to decide which vendor(s) we will be using, or at least a priority list, get a feel for people's feelings. To this end, I made a wiki page to help with planning and discussion [1]. 2. We need to get people's preferences and get a food plan, e.g. [day] [total ppl] [carnivores] [veggies] and who caters what to them each day. We can make a start on the wiki about day, and put in guesstimates for the rest. If people have numbers or ideas or preferences (say, 100% veggie and special requests for carne) please share. There are some documents on menu options and 2015 prices on git, but I'm a bit wary of git at present, so I need some help here (DLange - maybe link to the docs in the wiki or something?) So, input please. [1] - https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Food_planning regards B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Debconf16 Content - next steps
Hi Allison Thanks for agreeing to be Content team lead. Can you please advise on the next steps? Particularly: 1. A rough idea of what the 'procedure' would be, perhaps coupled with a rough timeline - when to send out cfp, send invites to 'special' speakers?, when are these confirmed, what is the budget for flying people in? When can we advertise confirmed speakers??? 2. Is there a wiki page or similar where people can give ideas on topics/tracks or invited speakers they would like to see? I have a few local ideas and we want to e.g. invite Southern African tech people, and feedback from the wider team about the suitability of potential speakers would be great. From a Debian Day/Weekend such a discussion will be helpful too, and I think it's mostly the Content team that ties the 'feel' of the public weekend and more technical conference together. regards B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] DebConf16 food @ UCT
Hi Generally, Belinda Chapman is our contact for most things. She would be the interface for if we want to use UCT caterers. Possibly the cheapest, but probably not the tastiest. When communicating with her on email, always cc in Graham, Stefano and myself. Contact details for Belinda: Conference Management Centre Standard Bank Building (1st Floor) Conference Organiser 37-39 Main Road, Mowbray Email: belinda.chap...@uct.ac.za Telephone: +27 (021) 406 6381 / Fax: +27 (021) 650 1926 Website: www.uct-cmc.co.za The UCT Club specific contact is Matt fox, matt@uct.ac.za Website: http://www.uctclub.uct.ac.za/ I forwarded his email with quotes to Rossouw (dumbassman), Stefano and Tammy. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Open Weekend and some notes
Thanks Allison After chatting to Stefano some more, I'll just be helping with some emails, taking it easy :) Cate, I have now filled that page. It is vague enough to not promising anything specific, but specific enough, I feel, to formally engage with people to exhibit/present ... https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay If people are happy with the content it could either be migrated to the main website or just linked to from the website, it's up to the website people. All: I have some stock photo's from similar initiatives that we did with TEDx "xLab", some links below, please let me know if you feel comfortable with me using them, for whatever reason. Allison/Content team: How do we liaise about talks at the Open Weekend? I don't want many, only a few, public polished ones, and I'd like more lightning talks from especially the youth. Nattie, keen to help with that? Thinking it should be rather easy-going, relaxed and comfortable. regards B some images: These are all licensed CC BY-NC-ND 2.0, in line with TED guidelines. blackboard: https://www.flickr.com/photos/61944197@N08/9393499247/ alphabet soup example: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=TEDxCapeTown%20alphabet creative materials: https://www.flickr.com/photos/61944197@N08/13361825875/ artwork (this is how I envision the information art exhibition): https://www.flickr.com/photos/61944197@N08/21591095710/ artwork (ditto): https://www.flickr.com/photos/61944197@N08/8122761265/ and https://www.flickr.com/photos/61944197@N08/8122800560/ On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Allison Randal wrote: > On 03/17/2016 11:02 AM, Bernelle Verster wrote: >> >> >> I'm thinking about coming back as poker/emailey person, but I'll >> probably still lose my temper occasionally. If you can't deal with that, >> tell me now and I'll go away again. > > > That role has been filled, but many thanks for the offer. I know the role > ended up taking a toll on you, so you are incredibly kind and generous to > even consider taking it on again. > > I love your ideas for Open Weekend! I know you mentioned quite early on in > the bid process for DebConf that the Open Weekend was your main interest in > the conference. I told Stefano yesterday that if you weren't interested in > running the program for the weekend anymore, we might just skip it entirely. > So, I'm thrilled to see your renewed enthusiasm. :) > > Allison > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Registration Feature Request: Organization / Company Name field
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Allison Randal wrote: > On 03/16/2016 11:36 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:24:40AM -0500, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >>> Don't label it "organization" >>> call it "badge line 2" or "your add here" >>> >>> So that people know they can put whatever text they want to show off on >>> their badge. >>> >> >> /me likes this idea very much. Please do that! >> > > If we're doing that, perhaps we should also provide a "badge line 1" > field? Also optional, and if they leave it blank we'll default to their > full name from the system. Some people prefer to have their IRC nick big > and bold, for example. Good idea. This will also allow them to set their own gender preferences or whatever. > > > Allison > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Open Weekend and some notes
hi all I'm thinking about coming back as poker/emailey person, but I'll probably still lose my temper occasionally. If you can't deal with that, tell me now and I'll go away again. My thoughts: * DebCamp starts 23 June to 1 July. People can come before that but then they have to sort themselves out. I don't even want to know about it. Use airbnb or make some friends. * The open weekend is officially part of DebConf. It is on Saturday 2 July and Sunday 3 July. * Official opening, in my mind, is Sunday afternoon around 3 or 4pm, with a speaker who can talk to the public. My agenda with DebConf is about open hardware, so I would get someone who will be willing to practice their talk to something socially coherent and polished. My suggestions would be Kris Rose or Jonas Smedegaard, if they're keen. Or the founder of Arduino or something, maybe maddog, I enjoyed him. * The Open weekend is open to the public, ALL members of the public even if they only want to be entertained. * I would say if sponsors want to do public-minded things on the weekend, they can, at no charge. Local companies can come for the weekend, at no charge. There should be impromptu hack and tinker sessions, installing e.g. Linux on people's machines (driven by CLUG)... It needs to be festive, and aimed at locals, internationals arrive as they come. I'll make a mock-up of the Open Weekend schedule by tonight and put it on the wiki, for discussion and group tinkering: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay * DebCamp is for people involved in Debian. If they want to be entertained the pub will be good for them to entertain themselves, the lecture theatres where set up is happening will be serious enough. * The job fair is technical and needs to happen within DebConf proper, I think * Then Monday morning can have a plenary which is more technical and the 'technical' opening for DebConf. This is up to content team, I guess. Other stuff: * I like the extra line(s) on the badge. People can write what they want on it, humourous or offensive or whatever. Let people express themselves and then facilitate the dialogue. * We need a press release ASAP. * Quiet labs: We have three levels of labs and lecture rooms booked. They go quieter as they go higher, with the top floors explicitly signaged as silent spaces. There is disability access to all levels and clear maps on each level. Check the bids gallery for pics. Cheers B, struggling to be contained in her big person panties. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Reminder: meeting today (Wednesday) at 18:30 UTC (20:30 SAST)
Hi Topic for #debconf-team is: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 Next DC16 meeting, 23 March 18:30 UTC, 20:30 SAST. Team meeting agenda: http://deb.li/DC16meet1 Minutes: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings Please take note that the DC17 ./ DebConf committee meeting is 25 March 20:00 UTC regards B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Minutes and actions from meeting 23mar16
Hi Minutes: http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2016/debconf-team.2016-03-23-18.29.html Action items 0. tumbleweed to send CfP 1. dlange to update the budget and get the invoice to the SPI 2. tumbleweed to ask CMC about VCS for paymnet 3. budget food at R300 pp pd 4. tumbleweed to double-check food figures fit into the budget 5. indiebio to create a wiki page describing our reserved rooms 6. indiebio to find out about accessible rooms 7. tumbleweed to needle CLUG about sponsors 8. indiebio to catch up with larjona about the press release thanks B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Minutes and actions from meeting 23mar16
Hi Tammy This is specifically accessible to people with disabilities - mainly sight impaired and wheelchair access and transport (if required) to Snape. It is finding out how accessible the *existing* rooms are - not booking extra ones. If you want to ask Belinda and Neerasha to keep it simple, then please go ahead. regards B On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Tammy Manning wrote: > Bernelle when you say find out about accessible rooms which rooms are these? > I am already in contact with Belinda and Neerusha about this. Unless it is > about the lecture rooms then a different story. > > Regards > Tammy > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Bernelle Verster > wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> Minutes: >> http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2016/debconf-team.2016-03-23-18.29.html >> >> Action items >> >> 0. tumbleweed to send CfP >> 1. dlange to update the budget and get the invoice to the SPI >> 2. tumbleweed to ask CMC about VCS for paymnet >> 3. budget food at R300 pp pd >> 4. tumbleweed to double-check food figures fit into the budget >> 5. indiebio to create a wiki page describing our reserved rooms >> 6. indiebio to find out about accessible rooms >> 7. tumbleweed to needle CLUG about sponsors >> 8. indiebio to catch up with larjona about the press release >> >> thanks >> B >> ___ >> Debconf-team mailing list >> Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org >> http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > > > > -- > MUNGO JOE > Tammy 082 674 9764 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Minutes and actions from meeting 23mar16
I am helping out with a few emails e.g. meeting reminders, not in the prominent earlier role, but yes, I am back if people are OK with it - as I said in the Open Weekend email a few days ago. I am subscribed to the team mail, so you don't need to include me specifically, and I have always been included in accommodation and venue emails - aka emails involving Belinda, that remains. Please don't send me other emails, except if explicitly required. If in doubt, rather DON'T email me, I'll catch up from Graham. On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Tammy Manning wrote: > By the by are you now back on board or what is the deal? > Just need to know if I must include you in emails. > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Tammy Manning > wrote: > >> Hi Bernelle >> >> Ah ok, I didn't want duplicate emails sent about the same thing, could >> get confusing. >> hence the question, as you were☺.... >> >> Regards >> Tammy >> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Bernelle Verster >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Tammy >>> >>> This is specifically accessible to people with disabilities - mainly >>> sight impaired and wheelchair access and transport (if required) to >>> Snape. >>> It is finding out how accessible the *existing* rooms are - not >>> booking extra ones. >>> If you want to ask Belinda and Neerasha to keep it simple, then please >>> go ahead. >>> >>> regards >>> B >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Tammy Manning >>> wrote: >>> > Bernelle when you say find out about accessible rooms which rooms are >>> these? >>> > I am already in contact with Belinda and Neerusha about this. Unless >>> it is >>> > about the lecture rooms then a different story. >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > Tammy >>> > >>> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Bernelle Verster >> > >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hi >>> >> >>> >> Minutes: >>> >> >>> http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2016/debconf-team.2016-03-23-18.29.html >>> >> >>> >> Action items >>> >> >>> >> 0. tumbleweed to send CfP >>> >> 1. dlange to update the budget and get the invoice to the SPI >>> >> 2. tumbleweed to ask CMC about VCS for paymnet >>> >> 3. budget food at R300 pp pd >>> >> 4. tumbleweed to double-check food figures fit into the budget >>> >> 5. indiebio to create a wiki page describing our reserved rooms >>> >> 6. indiebio to find out about accessible rooms >>> >> 7. tumbleweed to needle CLUG about sponsors >>> >> 8. indiebio to catch up with larjona about the press release >>> >> >>> >> thanks >>> >> B >>> >> ___ >>> >> Debconf-team mailing list >>> >> Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org >>> >> http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > MUNGO JOE >>> > Tammy 082 674 9764 >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> MUNGO JOE >> Tammy 082 674 9764 >> > > > > -- > MUNGO JOE > Tammy 082 674 9764 > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Reminder: DebConf meeting tonight, 20:30 SAST
Hi Team meeting agenda: http://deb.li/DC16meet1 Please add your agenda items, so far there's: # Follow up last week's actions # Tamo query: Deposit for Caterers # Content for Open Weekend - how to liaise between indiebio and team/wendar? # How to deal with 'my company does x and I would like to ... basically advertise its services' (see e.g. Rudolf Vavruch 'airbnb for cars' in registration@) # travel arrangements on wiki FAQ # Relook meeting time? >From last meeting: Minutes: http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2016/debconf-team.2016-03-23-18.29.html Action items 0. tumbleweed to send CfP 1. dlange to update the budget and get the invoice to the SPI 2. tumbleweed to ask CMC about VCS for paymnet 3. budget food at R300 pp pd 4. tumbleweed to double-check food figures fit into the budget 5. indiebio to create a wiki page describing our reserved rooms 6. indiebio to find out about accessible rooms 7. tumbleweed to needle CLUG about sponsors 8. indiebio to catch up with larjona about the press release ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Reminder: DebConf meeting tonight, 20:30 SAST
Hi all Please find the minutes and actions below. Minutes: http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2016/debconf-team.2016-03-30-18.30.html Actions: 1. indiebio to liase with content team for open weekend content 2. indiebio to follow up jammie (and accessibility jammies) again. 3. ginngs to find out how we get parking permission 4. ginngs to check on access cards 5. ginngs, RichiH, tumbleweed figure out network requirements 6. highvoltage to poll for a new meeting time (sorry for the inconsistent numbering, starting at 0 breaks my brain) These are also updated in the Meeting Logs on the wiki: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings Please place agenda items, and any issues that pop up during the week on the agenda: http://deb.li/DC16meet1, and if they get resolved before the meeting, just update the status so we can keep track. regards B On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Bernelle Verster wrote: > Hi > > Team meeting agenda: http://deb.li/DC16meet1 > > Please add your agenda items, so far there's: > > # Follow up last week's actions > # Tamo query: Deposit for Caterers > # Content for Open Weekend - how to liaise between indiebio and team/wendar? > # How to deal with 'my company does x and I would like to ... > basically advertise its services' (see e.g. Rudolf Vavruch 'airbnb > for cars' in registration@) > # travel arrangements on wiki FAQ > # Relook meeting time? > > > From last meeting: > > Minutes: > http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2016/debconf-team.2016-03-23-18.29.html > > Action items > > 0. tumbleweed to send CfP > 1. dlange to update the budget and get the invoice to the SPI > 2. tumbleweed to ask CMC about VCS for paymnet > 3. budget food at R300 pp pd > 4. tumbleweed to double-check food figures fit into the budget > 5. indiebio to create a wiki page describing our reserved rooms > 6. indiebio to find out about accessible rooms > 7. tumbleweed to needle CLUG about sponsors > 8. indiebio to catch up with larjona about the press release ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
