Re: Stus-List shaft size 29-2
Mine is 7/8". Err, my shaft. Um, my prop shaft... With apologies to Wally! ;-) randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of bev parslow Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:27 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List shaft size 29-2 Need to replace the zincs this week. What is the shaft size? Memory tells me 7/8ths. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel
Hmmm, Russ, that's the link to the infamous Skookumchuck tugboat capsize. looks like there's lots of runaway diesel vid's, not sure which one represents us left coasters best. ;) randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & Melody Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:18 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel Hi Martin & Josh, Diesels can also run away on ring blowby as illustrated by this extreme case in this video: It starts around 50 seconds. The west coast stoner narrative is kinda cute too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEfUblSDzww People might want to keep a mask & snorkel near whatever air choke device they decide on. So as you point out, "it's gonna blow" anyhow... and then it will stop :) Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 09:03 PM 25/05/2013, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_23EAE197CC1B594FA8793397EBCD357D7B56C5DMI3DMIlocal_" Back in my Merchant Marine school days, during a diesel engine maintenance class a video was shown detailing what happens when a large displacement diesel engine runs away, uncontrolled by the governor as it fed on lube oil through the supercharger seals. Just before it failed (exploded) you could see fire shooting out between the block and head. When attempting to stop a runaway diesel do not place your hand over the air intake. Use foulweather gear or similar sacrificial air blocking material that will conform around the air intake. If you have a Halon (Calypso's engine space has a 7.5lb auto-deploy Halon system in place) or a larger CO2 extinguisher on board they may be used to slow the engine slightly to make the stopping easier. This sort of failure is rare in small auxillary diesel engines, but more likely with turbocharged engines. If a pleasure boater (power and sail) does basic maintenance (do not over fill the lube oil) and every few years calls in an expert to check the more complicated systems (especially the injection pump, head bolt torque, and turbo seals) the risk of runaway should continue to be small. Martin Calypso 1970 C&C 43 Seattle _ From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Josh Muckley [muckl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Stopping a diesel So let me get this straight: Run away engine - gonna blow. Decompress - gonna blow Sounds like a dammed if you do dammed if you don't. So don't decompress. Good to know for the normal "non-emergency" shutdowns. I'm still gonna do it when shutting of the fuel and air don't kill the engine. Thanks for checking me and the books, Josh -- ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Macallan
< It's in our rotation> I like that. So it's also in "my rotation", and after pumping out the half tank of questionable diesel in the boat (C&C tie-in) I just had a Macallan 10 year on the rocks. A... randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colin Kilgour Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Macallan It's in our rotation as well, but there's no single malt scotch in Ontario for $20. Macallan would be about $50-60 here for a 12 year old. Cheers Colin On 5/26/13, Joel Aronson wrote: > i buy the $20 version. 12 year old is good enough for me! > > Joel > Sent from my iPad > > On May 26, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Chuck S wrote: > > FYI, Being a beer drinker, I had to google "Macallan" to learn it > costs > $1500 a bottle! > Anybody ever tried it? > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > -- > *From: *"Robert Gallagher" > *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Sent: *Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:10:19 PM > *Subject: *Stus-List 2013 Northeast Rendezvous > > Listers, > > As summer approaches we are looking for more volunteers to get the > word out on the various forums again. I have taken care of > Sailnet.com. However, I don't like the idea of joining another forum > just to post once and not return. > > If you are an active member on another major forum like SA, > Cruisersforum, etc. > Please help us! > > Please post here when you do so that no one spams forums with > duplicate posts. > > Email me directly for a printable flyer to put in your neighbors cockpit. > I suggest enclosing the flyer and bottle of Macallan 30 year old > single malt in a plastic bag to keep things dry, get their attention, > and generate a friend for life. > > Thanks > > Rob Gallagher > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Circumnavigating Vancouver Island
Too cool, Jim, though the name of your blog, gives me a little pause. Are ya buddy-boating with someone, or just going for it? Fair winds, very envious, have a great time! randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:07 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Stus-List Circumnavigating Vancouver Island We're heading out at the beginning of July, going around counterclockwise about 1 1/2 times if everything works out. Anyone wanting to follow our adventures can check out our blog...paradigmchafe.blogspot.ca I'm going to try and keep it as current as possible, but there's probably going to be some times when I just can't get to an internet connection. I'm not sure we can survive without the internet. Anyone else going around or going to be in those parts when we're passing through? Please throw us bacon. -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 29mkII prop info
Hi David, I have hull number 506, RH 14x10, 7/8" shaft. Martec, had mine rebuilt by them due to favorable comments from this list, been great since, maybe six years ago. I attached a small pic, but it's held up, may not go through. randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of DAVID R MOCNY Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 4:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 29mkII prop info The owner of my previous boat a 29 mkII hull #312 needs some prop info. The boat has a folding two blade that I am pretty sure was factory installed. It no longer unfolds properly and vibrates. He has found someone in California that will rebuild it. He is also looking at replacing it. No one he has talked to knows the shaft size and taper. He also needs the diameter and pitch. Any information you all can provide will be a great help. David Mocny C&C 37+ Obsession _ From: Sam Salter ; To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; Subject: Re: Stus-List Tuning my rig Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 11:43:40 PM Here's one of the better explanations about tuning your rig: http://www.riggingandsails.com/pdf/selden-tuning.pdf Buy or borrow a Loos gauge. You can't guess this stuff. Sam :-) On 2013-06-04, at 2:56 PM, "Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR" > wrote: > Look at the Harken website, under technical info you will find charts of > breaking strength for the various rigging types (wire rope, rod, etc). > > Also, I like to tune my rig to middle C, maybe D sharp at the highest.. > YMMV. > > -Keith M. > 35 mk3 CB > Jokester > > > -Original Message- > From: Kyle Mello [mailto:mavri...@gmail.com ] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 15:34 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Tuning my rig > > Looking for some advice on tension for my C&C 35 mk1. It is my first > year with the boat and would like to tune the rig before I go on an > extended trip. The boat is rigged with an adjustable backstay. I have > read the link in a C&C resource center and they mention not to over > tension the backstay past one quarter of its breaking strength. > > My question is where do I find the breaking strength? > > FYI... It is wire braid. > > Thanks > > -km > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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It looks like the early rendition of the buttons for a KVH Sailcomp http://www.shopwiki.com/d/328883/209482601/KVH-SAILCOMP-103AC-DIGITAL-COMPAS S to me. I have no experience with them, but used to see the buttons in boats for sail, err, sale, back when I was shopping. Perhaps some of the, um, more experienced on the list will chime in. randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 7:00 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mystery Buttons on my C&C37+ Listers, I don't know if it was something that the previous owners installed or something that came out of the factory, but I have three buttons on the starboard side of my helm seat, and one on the port side -- and I have NO IDEA whatsoever what they are meant to do. Here is a photo of the three on starboard <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/mysterybuttons.jpg> . 3 out of 4 of them are broken, and I know I don't have a use for them because, in my 8 years of ownership, I haven't had the need to operate anything that I don't know where there are switches for, but the curiosity has been nagging at me. Because of where they are installed, I can't seem to trace where the wires go. Does anyone have anything similar on their boat, and if you know, what are they for? I just hope, pushed in the proper sequence, that they don't do something like this: LINK <http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120715125633/memoryalpha/en/images/ b/b5/Uss_enterprise_self_destruct.jpg> All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rudder post sqeak
List has been rather quiet today, so let me jump in. see if you have a grease cup, or zerk on the rudder post. Either a few turns of the cup, or a couple of squeezes w/ a grease gun, should really make a difference. Folks seem to have their own choice of grease, but in my opinion, try to stick w/ one flavor, whatever you choose, and don't worry about what the PO has used previously, since it's old, caked, dry, and not of much use obviously since your steering is sluggish. Any good marine grade, such as that for boat trailer wheel bearings will be fine. There's certainly no freeway speeds involved in our boats. randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Blair Clark Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 2:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Rod Stright Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder post sqeak Hi, I have a1988 C&C 30 MK II with edson pedestal and steering out of DYC in dartmouth NS. The steering of Incognito has developed a major sqeak when turning the wheel and it is stiff to turn. This Problem was first noticed when the wheel seemed stiffer than usual after launch. Then it seemed to be intermittent but today with heat is very stiff and loud.. First I thought it may be clutch on Raymarine wheel pilot but now I believe that I have narrowed it to either in the D 25 edson drive wheel or where the rudder post shaft enters the emergency tiller collar. I thought about taking the screws holding the outer collar of the emergency tille on the floor of the cockpit before the walk through transor to see if I could lubricate but chickened out as I really do not know what taking those screws out would lead to in the water. I have oiled the wire cable coming from base of pedestal to sheaves and then aft to drive wheel and the wheel runs quiter but the squeak is still severe. Please can someoen give me direction as to what to lubricate and how and whether this can be all done safely in the water. Thanks Blair Clark 902-423-4651 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Halifax-20130714-00110.jpg
Hmm, not seeing anything obvious, here's a sample of what we find when a cup has been replaced w/ a zerk. -Original Message- From: bcl...@classicfreight.ca [mailto:bcl...@classicfreight.ca] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:57 PM To: spins...@embarqmail.com; sthom...@sympatico.ca Subject: Halifax-20130714-00110.jpg Shaft gping through hull joint Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ultrafurl - sticking
Steve, seems to me this is your first season with the boat? Never ass-u-me, but if we allow the PO probably used it as a sail boat set up as is, the most common problem I've found is halyard tension. Probably because of no restrainer, it's more important, but there seems to be a sweet spot between too tight and too loose, that "goldilocks" likes. While at the dock you might experiment w/ just an inch or so at a time of halyard tension or release. Lot easier than climbing the mast to install more goodies. And that "assumes" of course there's no wrap from another halyard, etc. randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 6:09 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Ultrafurl - sticking Hi All. It seems the drum on my ultrafurl is sticking. I know that other C&Cs used this furling gear so I was hoping for some feedback from other ultrafurl owners. I dropped the swivel down and it is fine so I'm blaming the drum. It needs a lot of coaxing to turn and it will turn, then come to a stop, turn, then stop, turn then stop .. etc. The energy required to turn it is quite high, I have to go forward and manually turn the drum to furl or unfurl the sail. How can I troubleshoot this? I'm nervous that this will require some forestay action but I'm hoping not. According to their site it can be installed without dropping the forestay so I'm hoping I can take it apart too. It's an Ultrafurl 500. I'm waiting on an email back from ultrafurl. Any ideas? Thanks, Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III
Personally, I wouldn’t suggest that. At least not if I’m picturing your picture correct. Unless you unstep the mast, and take everything apart, wouldn’t you have to go all the way thru the cabin? Most of us on the list like to over drill holes in the core, and fill w/ epoxy, then drill for the mounting. If you just punch holes thru, I’d be concerned about eventual water intrusion thru the hole, which is undoubtedly solid something under the mast, but working its way to the core elsewhere. Just my two cents. Bails on masts are used for vangs all the time, especially on the smaller (no offense, me too! ;-) ) boats. But do also consider the addition of a rigid vang. I love my boom kicker, fits in the mast track slot, and no topping lift! Just my two cents. There’s lots of opinions here, you get to choose! randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III Lots of good ideas here. Thanks guys. What about through-bolting an eye pad on the mast step bracket itself? I’d have to check the available space in there. From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:01 AM To: CnC <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III +1 I've had a Garhauer rigid boom vang for about 10 years. Good price for a good chunk of stainless and a worthwhile upgrade. Also gets rid of the topping lift! sam :-) C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: Dennis C. Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:09 AM To: Peter Fell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III Peter, A very good option would be install a hinged vang bracket near the bottom of your mast. Garhauer makes these for their rigid boom vangs and will custom make one to fit your mast. Their pricing is fairly reasonable. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA _ From: Peter Fell To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:18 PM Subject: Stus-List Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III My C&C 27 has a mast-step that looks like this: http://imageshack.us/a/img191/407/ubt7.jpg The previous owner had attached the 4:1 purchase boom vang to the 45 degree side plate which has resulted in bending the side plate! It was recommended to me to use a boom/mast bail bolted across the vertical portion of the mast-step bracket at the aft-most set of holes, with a bolt and filler ‘tube’ to avoid compressing the mast step bracket. Or to replace the aft mast-retention pin with the same set-up. Dimensions of the mast step (‘vertical’ bracket) are: Outside width = 5 inches Inside width = 4-1/4 inches Hole diameter = 7/8 inches Pin diameter = 5/8 inches 2 problems I am finding: 1) I can’t find a 5-inch wide bail 2) The larger size bails I have found (maybe 4 inch wide is the largest I’ve seen?) use a smaller bolt than 5/8 inches and no meat to drill out the holes in them, so there would be a lot of ‘slop’ there. I’m also concerned that if the boom vang can bend that mast-step side plate, what’s it going to do to a side-loaded bail and/or the vertical mast-step bracket? So ... perhaps a mast tang / hound? (much as I hate drilling holes in the mast ... but multiple holes would spread the load). I have read somewhere that part of the side of the standard C&C mast section is thicker which helps with this sort of thing? Can anyone verify? Sorry, didn’t measure the mast width. There’s also the sail track there that would complicate a tang / hound installation. By the way, the previous owner also bent the heck out of the through-bolt on the boom bail. I’ve replaced that with a new SS bolt Thanks! ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> CnC-List@cnc-list.com _ ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _ ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III
Boomkickers, in my experience installing, or helping install a few now, need some playing in the beginning to get the right diameter rods, the correct length, for the weight of the boom. The only time I’ve had trouble is when it wasn’t installed correctly, by the above weight and length. Then yes, they are a bugger to shape a sail under all points of sail, especially under light air conditions. I can’t offer an opinion on Garhauer, but wouldn’t hesitate to go that right with any of their products based on testimony on the list. Main point was, get something under the boom, instead of a cable connecting the back of the boom to the top of the mast! It will be interesting to see if the “gnav” being used on some of the dinghies makes its way to bigger boats. randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 1:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III I second Dennis' suggestion to get a Garhauer rigid vang. I did - and Guido at Garhauer had me send the profile of the mast and boom and they made pads to fit both. Six or eight screws for each. I drilled and tapped the mast and boom and screwed the pads in - done! We have a boomkicker on the J-80 I race on and I am not thrilled. It does the job but seems to be more difficult to modulate how much tension you have. Just my opinion. Gary 30-1 - Original Message - From: randy <mailto:spins...@embarqmail.com> To: 'Peter Fell' <mailto:prf...@gmail.com> ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III Personally, I wouldn’t suggest that. At least not if I’m picturing your picture correct. Unless you unstep the mast, and take everything apart, wouldn’t you have to go all the way thru the cabin? Most of us on the list like to over drill holes in the core, and fill w/ epoxy, then drill for the mounting. If you just punch holes thru, I’d be concerned about eventual water intrusion thru the hole, which is undoubtedly solid something under the mast, but working its way to the core elsewhere. Just my two cents. Bails on masts are used for vangs all the time, especially on the smaller (no offense, me too! ;-) ) boats. But do also consider the addition of a rigid vang. I love my boom kicker, fits in the mast track slot, and no topping lift! Just my two cents. There’s lots of opinions here, you get to choose! randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III Lots of good ideas here. Thanks guys. What about through-bolting an eye pad on the mast step bracket itself? I’d have to check the available space in there. From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:01 AM To: CnC <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III +1 I've had a Garhauer rigid boom vang for about 10 years. Good price for a good chunk of stainless and a worthwhile upgrade. Also gets rid of the topping lift! sam :-) C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: Dennis C. Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:09 AM To: Peter Fell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III Peter, A very good option would be install a hinged vang bracket near the bottom of your mast. Garhauer makes these for their rigid boom vangs and will custom make one to fit your mast. Their pricing is fairly reasonable. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA _ From: Peter Fell To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:18 PM Subject: Stus-List Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III My C&C 27 has a mast-step that looks like this: http://imageshack.us/a/img191/407/ubt7.jpg The previous owner had attached the 4:1 purchase boom vang to the 45 degree side plate which has resulted in bending the side plate! It was recommended to me to use a boom/mast bail bolted across the vertical portion of the mast-step bracket at the aft-most set of holes, with a bolt and filler ‘tube’ to avoid compressing the mast step bracket. Or to replace the aft mast-retention pin with the same set-up. Dimensions of the mast step (‘vertical’ bracket) are: Outside width = 5 inches Inside width = 4-1/4 inches Hole diameter = 7/8 inches Pin diameter = 5/8 inches 2 problems I am finding: 1) I can’t find a 5-inch wide bail 2) The larger size bails I have found (maybe 4 inch wide is the largest I’ve seen?) use a smaller bolt than 5/8 inches and no meat to drill out the holes in them, so t
Re: Stus-List Americas Cup anyone
It’s always been “an exclusive clash of egos and checkbooks.” It just isn’t what “we” want to see… Gotta let that part go, and just enjoy the clash, and the out of this (read “our”) world of sailing. Jus’ my two cents, randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jack Brennan Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 8:05 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Americas Cup anyone More than a few people think billionaires have hijacked an historic sporting event and transformed it into an exclusive clash of egos and checkbooks. It used to be a rivalry pitting the sailing communities of various nations against each other. This year, many nations could not even afford to compete because of the rules set by Larry Ellison. With the resulting troubles San Francisco is having, other cities may not be so anxious to host the event in the future. The NY Times had a good story on it a while back. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/us/americas-cup-sailing-race-faces-challenges-in-san-francisco.html?pagewanted=all Jack Brennan Former C&C 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Chuck S <mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:20 AM To: cnc-list CNC boat owners <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Americas Cup anyone Americas Cup coverage of the challenger series, the Louis Viton Cup is on You Tube and is very well covered. Races are short and well photographed and commented by Tucker Thompson, Gary Jobson, etc. The boats are strange alien looking machines and what they call sailing looks more like flying. The boats skid sideways in a high speed gybe. The catamarans are about the same length as the old ACC monohull boats, but boat speeds in the 40 knot range are becoming common in 15 knots of wind. Hard for most people to comprehend, harder maybe for veteran sailors of common monhulls. Not sure where the cup is headed with New Zealanders crewing on almost all boats including the US defender, Oracle and the Italian boat helmed by an Englishman. I was rooting for Artemis because Terry Hutchinson from Annapolis was skipper. He is gone now, so I guess I'll root for Oracle in the September cup series. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ _ ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers
IIRC, as this has been discussed, that's only necessary at the point you, or your fleet, decides there is an issue w/ duplicate sail numbers, or you've risen to the point that you're sailing across a wide enough geographic area that, at the level of racing you've attained, there is an issue w/ duplicate numbers. Your boat likely came w/ sail numbers as the hull number - there should only be one C&C 29-II w/ sail number 506; so if I'm sailing one design w/ other 29-II's (in my dreams!) all is good. If I'm sailing phrf, and there is another boat in my class where I race w/ that number, it may be beneficial to have an assigned number. And the higher I get ranked regionally, nationally, or globally, the more chance of dup numbers, hence the assigned number. randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 8:26 AM Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Numbers The charge is the same in the USA (unless you are a member of US Sailing, then the cost is only $100.00). "RE: Sail Numbers This is an application for a US Sailing sail number. It is a five digit number that we issue in sequence. There is a charge of $100 to members of US Sailing and $125 to non-members. If you would like to proceed, and fax back the following information, or mail it back with a check, we would than forward a confirmation letter with the sail number assignment. If an email address is provided the sail number assignment will be sent there.: http://offshore.ussailing.org/Sail_Numbers.htm Sail Canada (and US Sailing I assume) are more non-profit and volunteer than for-profit. They need to raise money somehow to operate and so support and lobby for the sailing community. Ken H. On 10 August 2013 09:47, Andrew Burton wrote: $125 for someone to assign you a sail number!? I'd just use my hull number and leave it at that. No club is going to reject your entry to a regatta or series because you didn't buy a number from CYA. These people are supposed to be doing all they can to make it easier to get into racing. Andy Peregrine C&C 40 #143 Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Aug 10, 2013, at 7:07, Ken Heaton wrote: >From the Sail Canada website at: http://www.sailing.ca/racing/offshore_racing_and_regulations/offshore_sail_n umbers/ Offshore Sail Numbers Sail numbers are required for boat identification while racing and are useful for safety purposes. Sailboat owners must apply to the CYA for a sail number unless the boat is affiliated with a CYA member class association that issues its own sail numbers. Offshore sail numbers may be obtained by applying to the CYA. BC and Alberta residents may contact BC Sailing to purchase their number. NEW Changes effective January 1st, 2008 New pricing structure: $50 - Change to ownership &/or boat particulars for boats with a CYA issued sail number $125 - Sequential sail number $200 - Personalized sail number (out of sequence). NOTE: some numbers are reserved as Collector numbers - see list below. $500 - Collector sail number - CYA has created a list of select collector numbers - <http://www.sailing.ca/files/racing/sailnumbers/collectorsailnumbers.pdf> Click here for the list of Collector numbers. Purchasing a sail number Complete the <http://www.sailing.ca/images/uploads/Offshore%20SAIL-NUM_FRM%20revised%2020 11%2005%2003.pdf> Offshore Sail Number Application form and return it to the CYA. Residents of BC and Alberta may contact BC Sailing to purchase their number. On 10 August 2013 00:48, wrote: I know it's been discussed before, but I wasn't listening? Just ordered a new kevlar Genoa. What's the deal with sail numbers? How do you decide what number? Is hull serial number legit? Sam Salter C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List More on Automated VHF Radio Checks
Wow! Those are few and far between over here on the left coast compared to east coast... I don't think I'll hit Seattle from homeport... randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 2:24 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List More on Automated VHF Radio Checks Did a little research on this. Not sure if SeaTow is the only provider of this service, but it seems to be in Long Island Sound. The GOOD news is that they use a number of different channels, so by knowing what stations use which channels (for example Bridgeport, my closest station, uses #24, Port Jefferson, #27 and Huntington Harbor #28) so by using the farthest first, I can tell how far my radio is transmitting ! - Much better than I first understood. You can get a map of the various stations in your area by entering your zip code at http://www.seatow.com/boating-safety/automated-radio-checks Jonathan Thomson C&C 35III - Indigo, Southport CT ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List C&C 29 Hull
Yes, don’t ask me how I know… if you look in the right places, say in the hanging locker, just above waterline you’ll find a horizontal bump line to the inside. That’s where the coring starts for the topsides of the hull on our ’86 29-II. Below waterline is solid. randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 Hull The Mk1 brochure on the "Photoalbum" says it had a cored hull. I don't have any first hand knowledge, just quoting from the original C&C brochure. sam :-) From: Bob Hickson Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List C&C 29 Hull To the best of my knowledge, all 29’s (mark 1 & 2) are solid glass hulls. For sure my Mark 2 (1985) is a solid glass hull. Best regards, Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEA C&C 29-2 Flying Colours Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club Pickering, ON (416) 919-2297 <mailto:bobhick...@rogers.com> bobhick...@rogers.com __/) ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List More on GPS accuracy & Einstein
And if we haven't beat this to death yet, (it is winter, after all.) one more on gnss and time." http://www.profsurv.com/magazine/article.aspx?i=71249 randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Paal Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:45 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List More on GPS accuracy & Einstein some numbers to put it into perspective 1) clocks at GPS orbital altitudes will tick faster by about 45,900 ns/day 2) clocks moving at GPS orbital speeds will tick slower by about 7,200 ns/day 3) clocks adjusted before launch to these numbers, resulting no more than +/- 200 ns/day error (1 ns = 1 foot) 4) gravitational lensing is not an issue, and there is no difference in the speed of light in any direction from an observer (GPS related) 5) there is some curving of the RF signal due to air density changes, ground users can ignore it. 6) accuracy of the orbital position of each satellite is the major component of the solution accuracy. Satellites do not fly in perfect, repetitive circle. For example the pressure of the sunlight is a very observable effect To get "extreme" accuracy, down to a couple of centimeters, is not done in real time. It takes inputs from many different sources and long computations. But it is very satisfactory when the ground observations match the GPS solutions... Leslie. _ From: "dre...@gmail.com" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:04 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List More on GPS accuracy & Einstein Hi, While we are chatting about how GPS works and its accuracy, I would like add a few interesting tidbits. A good part of the accuracy come from taking Einstein's Relativity into account. Special Relativistic effects like properly calculating doppler shifts and relative motion are important, but also General Relativistic effects need to be applied. For example, Special Relativity states that moving clocks run slower, but General Relativity states that clocks run slower in a gravitational field. Satellites are moving fast compared to someone on Earth so this makes their clocks to run slower. But satellites feel less of the earth's gravity so our Earth-bound clocks run slower. Since a satellite speed, while fast to us is slow relative to the speed of light, our Earthly clocks end up running slower than clocks on GPS satellites (~50 microseconds/day which amounts to about a 7 nautical mile spread!). Also, light (i.e. GPS signals) do not travel in a straight path as one assumes in triangulating a "fix". Rather matter curves space around it, so GPS signals actually bend (i.e. gravitational lensing). The latter effect, which is tiny compared to the former, was actually proved using a sextant of sort, by measuring a star's position during a solar eclipse in 1919. While these effects are ordinarily insignificant for life on Earth, they are important on the scale of GPS accuracy.I am sure that Einstein did not have GPS in mind when he wrote down the theory of Relativity, but I'll still thank him nonetheless. - Paul E. 1979 C&C 29 Mk1 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Jan 29, 2013, at 8:44 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:55:03 + From: "Brent Driedger" < <mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca> bren...@highspeedcrow.ca> To: "Leslie Paal" < <mailto:lpaalc...@yahoo.com> lpaalc...@yahoo.com>, <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List More on GPS accuracy Message-ID: <499177535-1359438905- <mailto:cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19847309...@b17.c8.bise6.bl ackberry> cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1984730907-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I'm enjoying this in depth GPS education. I recall some scuttlebutt in Sail magazine a year or two ago warning that most of the birds in the system were approaching their "best before date" of over 25 years and without getting immediate replacement the system would be down a few leaving some holes or temporary signal loss in some locations in the coming years. Have you heard any updates to this rumor? Brent Driedger s/v Wild Rover C&C 27-5 Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone on the MTS High Speed Mobility Network -Original Message- From: Leslie Paal < <mailto:lpaalc...@yahoo.com> lpaalc...@yahoo.com> Sender: "CnC-List" < <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:04:01 To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com< <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Reply-To: Leslie Paal < <mailto:lp
Re: Stus-List More on GPS accuracy & Einstein
Well, sure, Leslie, but this one’s not much bigger than a quarter! It’ll be so much easier to keep track of time when doing sun shots! ;-) randy From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Paal Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List More on GPS accuracy & Einstein And 'then' you try to reduce the number of rubidium atoms used in the 'gas' since the various isotopes have slightly different native frequency. The best is to keep one atom in the field of observation, then the frequency will be consistent... It works most of the time in the lab, people are working on it to make it practical. It is at least a 100 times more accurate. ;-) Leslie. _ From: randy To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List More on GPS accuracy & Einstein And if we haven’t beat this to death yet, (it is winter, after all…) one more on gnss and time…” http://www.profsurv.com/magazine/article.aspx?i=71249 randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Paal Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:45 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List More on GPS accuracy & Einstein some numbers to put it into perspective 1) clocks at GPS orbital altitudes will tick faster by about 45,900 ns/day 2) clocks moving at GPS orbital speeds will tick slower by about 7,200 ns/day 3) clocks adjusted before launch to these numbers, resulting no more than +/- 200 ns/day error (1 ns = 1 foot) 4) gravitational lensing is not an issue, and there is no difference in the speed of light in any direction from an observer (GPS related) 5) there is some curving of the RF signal due to air density changes, ground users can ignore it. 6) accuracy of the orbital position of each satellite is the major component of the solution accuracy. Satellites do not fly in perfect, repetitive circle. For example the pressure of the sunlight is a very observable effect To get "extreme" accuracy, down to a couple of centimeters, is not done in real time. It takes inputs from many different sources and long computations. But it is very satisfactory when the ground observations match the GPS solutions... Leslie. _ From: "dre...@gmail.com" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:04 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List More on GPS accuracy & Einstein Hi, While we are chatting about how GPS works and its accuracy, I would like add a few interesting tidbits. A good part of the accuracy come from taking Einstein's Relativity into account. Special Relativistic effects like properly calculating doppler shifts and relative motion are important, but also General Relativistic effects need to be applied. For example, Special Relativity states that moving clocks run slower, but General Relativity states that clocks run slower in a gravitational field. Satellites are moving fast compared to someone on Earth so this makes their clocks to run slower. But satellites feel less of the earth's gravity so our Earth-bound clocks run slower. Since a satellite speed, while fast to us is slow relative to the speed of light, our Earthly clocks end up running slower than clocks on GPS satellites (~50 microseconds/day which amounts to about a 7 nautical mile spread!). Also, light (i.e. GPS signals) do not travel in a straight path as one assumes in triangulating a "fix". Rather matter curves space around it, so GPS signals actually bend (i.e. gravitational lensing). The latter effect, which is tiny compared to the former, was actually proved using a sextant of sort, by measuring a star's position during a solar eclipse in 1919. While these effects are ordinarily insignificant for life on Earth, they are important on the scale of GPS accuracy.I am sure that Einstein did not have GPS in mind when he wrote down the theory of Relativity, but I'll still thank him nonetheless. - Paul E. 1979 C&C 29 Mk1 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Jan 29, 2013, at 8:44 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:55:03 + From: "Brent Driedger" < <mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca> bren...@highspeedcrow.ca> To: "Leslie Paal" < <mailto:lpaalc...@yahoo.com> lpaalc...@yahoo.com>, <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List More on GPS accuracy Message-ID: <499177535-1359438905- <mailto:cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1984730907-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry> cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1984730907-@b17.c8.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I&#
Re: Stus-List Boat Name - Font
Interesting, and certainly to each their own, but to me, the adjectives you've used connote a script style. Nothing too fancy of course, due to need of readability, but more along this line: Just my worthless two cents, randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert T. Hart Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Name - Font I just used a really nice script called zapfino. Do a google search and you can find images online. -RTH On Apr 19, 2013, at 12:49, Stevan Plavsa < <mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com> stevanpla...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > I know this is a long shot but it's worth a try. > I've been looking hard and trying all sorts of different fonts and I think I'm at the stage that I can't see the forest for the trees. I need some help deciding on a font, here are my requirements: > > - Timeless > - Classic > - Graceful > - Elegant > - Soft > > Boat name is Suhana. I have been wanting to go with the classic arc but I'm not sure anymore, I've been staring and fiddling way too long and it's all just a haze of indecisiveness now. > Any suggestions? I know, subjective but you never know .. we have the same taste in boats and it seems many have the same taste in cars I figure it's worth a try. > > Thanks, > Steve > C&C 32 > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> CnC-List@cnc-list.com <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List C&C 25 information request
Hi Sander, first place to check out is this link below, if you haven't already, for all things C&C. Then I'm sure in the next couple of days the large contingent of 25 owners will chime in. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ Good luck, randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sander van der Moolen Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List C&C 25 information request Hello readers, Whilst browsing our local (Dutch) boat market websites, I came across a C&C 25. I really like how it looks, and I have a bit of a weak spot for IOR class boats J Thing is, I couldn't find much information about this boat, nobody I know in Holland has ever heard of C&C Yachts. So far, I've learned it's Canadian build (1974). Makes me wonder how it got to this side of the pond, are they such seaworthy boats? But what I really would like to know, what are its strong and weak points? What should I be looking for when I go out to look at this boat? The seller has already informed me that the balsa core at the stanchion bases is bad and needs to be repaired. The seller has dismounted all the hardware, including engine and saildrive. It has an inboard gasoline engine, but frankly I'm scared of gasoline inboards so if I buy this boat, I'll try to exclude the engine (or maybe trade it for an outboard). Thank you for any advice! Regards, Sander The Netherlands. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Went to see the 25 for myself
I think he said he was in Holland! I believe he was questioning whether the 25 had come over on her own bottom. I would think a container across the pond would have to be a couple grand. randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 12:45 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Went to see the 25 for myself Sander; Where are you located? At the risk of crass commerciality, and with apologies to the rest of the list, I will gladly sell you my 25 mk1, which I've owned for 19 years and have resisted selling until I can find someone who will love it as much as I do and keep it in the condition it is in now. Hull number 225. $8k worth of good sails, some almost new. New Carbon racing main. Newish Dacron cruising main. Newish Kevlar racing 155. Dacron cruising 155. Dacron lapper (110%). 65% storm jib. Spinnaker. Updated Kenyon mast & new rigging in 2009. Garhauer rigid vang, line adjustable genoa cars, backstay tensioner, clutches and all blocks. At least two sets of good running rigging (light and heavy) for each sail. Upgraded to Barient 22 2-speed winches. Both spin and whisker poles. 6hp long shaft outboard. Teak boarding ladder. Boom tent. Sunbrella cockpit cushions and covers for winches, handrails, and tiller. Newish interior cushions with upgraded upholstery and curtains. Garmin GPS/sounder. VHF, and stereo. Electric head. Custom teak cabinetry to house radio and VHF, and for the Origo stove. This adds drawer and storage space and frees up the area of the ice box for counter space. The bottom was redone in November 2011, so it should last 2 or 3 more years in our local conditions. The one spot of soft deck core where the PO had run the mast cables through the deck has already been fixed. Steel cradle included (we don't need them here in North Carolina, so it hasn't been used in like 15 years) I will even include the foul weather gear and apparel for guests that has the boat name and logo embroidered on it. In the current market, I'll probably get about $5500 for the boat if I can find a suitable buyer. The weakest points are the 2-stroke outboard, though it always starts on the 1st or 2nd pull, and the fact that the non-skid where the cabin top merges into the foredeck is wearing out and needs to be repainted. If you are interested, contact me off list. And if anyone else knows of someone who wants to buy a really top notch 25 mk1, please contact me off list as well. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of san...@vpilot.net Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Went to see the 25 for myself Hi listers, Thank you all again for helping me with the information request a couple of days ago. Today I went to meet with the seller (a boat repair shop) and to inspect the boat. It's definitely a Mk1. Before you read further, I have pictures so drop me a line if you're interested in seeing them. The boat has been stripped completely, and I do mean EVERYTHING has been taken off and out. The hull is an empty shell. The former owner was going to fix the deck around the stanchion bases and do a complete repaint, but after disassembly and initial sanding, he went awol and left the seller with the boat in its current state. The deck repairs are half done: the rotten core is removed and new waterproof plywood sawed in shape to fit. The seller showed me all the stuff that belonged to this boat, which was a couple of pallets and boxes full. There is no way to tell for certain if it's all complete, unless one knows exactly what should go where on the C&C. There are instruments, but they may not function. The inboard engine (old Volvo Penta sail drive with Honda 4-stroke block) may or may not function. By the way, the cockpit floor does have an access hatch to the engine bay like some of you mentioned. The hull looks very strong and in good shape. The deck, other than around the stanchion bases, looks and sounds good. I really like its lines. The work on this boat will take me the entire summer for certain, and likely part of the fall/winter, if I decide to buy it. - Complete the deck repairs(seller is willing to help me with that); - Full paint job, inside and outside; - Restoration of all woodwork in the interior, top to bottom; - Electric installations (I forgot to ask about the wiring); - Plumbing (sink, toilet); - All hardware needs to be cleaned; - Assembly of, well, everything; - Sail off into the sunset! The good about all this, is that when it's finished I'll have a practically brand new boat with many years of sailing fun and no headaches. The seller is eager to get rid of it and has already made it clear that the price is nego
Stus-List Artemis, 'n exploding batteries
Greetings all, hope your spring is progressing finally for many of you. By now, most have probably heard the sad news about Artemis and crew Andrew Simpson. There's an article about it in today's 'Lectronic Latitude, with a link to the Wired magazine which Sailing Anarchy has also linked. But the C&C connection to the e-zine issue, is an article about exploding batteries, as has been discussed here recently. http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2013-05-10 randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Cool Change
Greetings All, just wondering if anyone has heard why Frank dropped out of Oregon Offshore at start? http://oregonoffshore.swiftsure.org/ randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cool change and Oregon Offshore Race
Thanks for the update, Alan, glad to hear that all are ok, and made the decision on their own, not because something happened. One of the entrants I know broke three battens early on, and blew out their storm kite, while all were wet and cold, and most seasick. Rather changed their racing style. randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bergen via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 4:43 PM To: C&C Photoalbum email list Subject: Re: Stus-List Cool change and Oregon Offshore Race I received this email from Frank, this morning: As you know, we decided not to race in the Oregon offshore. This decision was made at 0600 Thursday morning. All the crew members were in agreement not to participate in the race. We had been monitoring the weather for the past 30 days and watching the trends for the offshore race course. We knew that the race was going to be fast but that implied that the course would be challenging. We were looking at weather predications from NOAA that included up to 40 knot gusts, 20 to 35 knot sustained winds, five foot swell at 9 seconds and nine foot wind waves from Grays Harbor to the Strait. The boat was not the problem, it was the crew that I was concerned about. We could expect one critical boat part failure, most of us getting sick, and possibly one or more serious injuries. Only three crew were experienced in heavy weather sailing offshore. Our average crew members age is close to 60 years old. Two members being over 70 years old and one less than 50 years old. Three women and 5 men on the crew. A majority of the crew is new to offshore racing and have never experienced the conditions that were predicted for the time of the race. Although we all wanted to race, it was obvious to all of us that if we experienced the conditions that were predicted we would most likely regret the decision to go. Making the decision not to race was very hard for me but deciding to go and being responsible for a crew members injury would be even more difficult to endure. For our boat, for our crew, the decision not to race in the predicted race course conditions was a good one. The crew delivered the boat back to RCYC. Nice cruise up the Columbia River. Stopped at Rainer over night. Averaged 6.7 kts through the water and 4.1 kts over land. We are already preparing for next year. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Dragon
Nice article on ex-C&C-er Michael Hennesey's rebuild of his Class 40 for the Atlantic Cup in SA. http://sailinganarchy.com/ randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List ex-CnC-er Michael Hennessy, Dragon
Hate to see this happen to anyone. http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2014/05/26/photos-atlantic-cup-2014/?utm_m edium=email <http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2014/05/26/photos-atlantic-cup-2014/?utm_ medium=email&utm_campaign=Scuttlebutt+4092+-+May+27+2014&utm_content=Scuttle butt+4092+-+May+27+2014+CID_76f30c2eaca59c79875c10496d22700c&utm_source=Emai l%20Newsletter> &utm_campaign=Scuttlebutt+4092+-+May+27+2014&utm_content=Scuttlebutt+4092+-+ May+27+2014+CID_76f30c2eaca59c79875c10496d22700c&utm_source=Email%20Newslett er randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List replying to specific posts in the thread
I have to wonder, are you receiving the list as they come in, or in the digest format? randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jason & Amanda Ward via CnC-List Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 9:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jason & Amanda Ward Subject: Stus-List replying to specific posts in the thread I have noticed that people are able to reply to specific post with the original thread in their reply. In order to conform to the format of the threads I would like to know how to do that. Can you please help me out with what I assume is a simple process. Regards, Jason Sent from Jason & Amanda This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> www.avast.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Extending our winter vacation
Best wishes to you both! randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via CnC-List Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 3:06 PM To: C&C Email List Cc: Stu Subject: Stus-List Extending our winter vacation Well we planned on leaving Florida the first part of April, but due to unfortunate circumstances, we have to delay going home. Thursday night, Gladys was out walking and happened to slip off the pavement inside the resort. After almost 8 hours in emergency, they told us she had a broken wrist. It looked serious enough that we had to book with an orthopedic doctor as soon as possible. Today was the appointment and tomorrow is the surgery. She is having a permanent plate installed in the wrist. Follow-up checks should last 4 weeks and then we can start thinking about going home. Even though we are covered by insurance, the hospital and doctors bill us and we submit the claims. But the surgery was money up front. If you want to order C&C vinyl decals or a new C&C burgee, you will have to wait until we get home. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List rec sailing books
+1! randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 11:21 AM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Stus-List rec sailing books I've been binge reading John Kretschmer's books, because the flu has me grounded. They are funny stories of his many sailboat deliveries. I am grateful to vicariously live his life of crossing oceans, sailing thru gales, from the comfort of a warm armchair. They instruct as well as entertain. In only a week, I rounded the Horn in Contessa 32, crossed the Pacific to Japan in a big ketch, and crossed the Atlantic several times, w stops in Bermuda, the Azores, Spain, the Mediterranean England even Germany and Sweden. I highly recommend these books to all: Cape Horn To Starboard Flirting With Mermaids Sailing A Serious Ocean Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LF38 Mast Placement in the Step
Hey Josh, with all due respect, but moving the butt forward on a keel stepped rig will pivot about the partners, and should move the sail area, and therefore the center of effort aft, which I believe will increase weather helm. randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:16 AM To: C&C List; n...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 Mast Placement in the Step Moving the base forward should give more aft rake and reduce weather-helm. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Apr 30, 2015 2:13 PM, "N7FN--- via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Hi, I need to know, from you 38LF owners, where in the mast step your mast is positioned. Right now my mast is all the way aft in the step but I can see that the mast was positioned in the step farther forward at one time. The only reason that it is all the way aft is because that is where the workers in the yard put it. Any ideas about how the boat would sail if the mast was positioned all the way forward as opposed to all the way aft? I have seen adjustments for moving the mast in it's step on some sports boats. Frank Noragon C&C 38LF, s/n 001 Rose City Yacht Club Portland, Oregon ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LF38 Mast Placement in the Step
Josh, we've come to really appreciate your comments, especially of late, it seems you've taken it upon yourself to step up when many times questions aren't being answered. One of those mysteries of the internet, sometimes replies don't always come thru in a timely manner. I have been fighting weather helm in the winds of the gorge since getting my 29, so have tried to adjust accordingly. Don't take it as anyone beating up on ya! This is a great group of knowledgeable folks. With that said, and I'm no expert, but one must look at the total package, both jib and main, and the sum total of effort moves aft. Look at any good sail plan drawing. And now off to do my part on national scurvy day another rum, please, yes w/ lime! I know, that was yesterday, but one must help when one can! Cheers! randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 6:00 PM To: C&C List; captain_jake@cox net Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 Mast Placement in the Step Right, we have all agreed (conceeded in my case) that more rake usually equals more weather helm. However, while discussing rake we are only taking into consideration the movement of the mast head. The act of moving the head back actually does two things. One, it tilts or rotates the sail on approximately on it's tack. Two, it pulls the entire sail aft since the mast is moving aft. Which action is changing the weather helm or are they both responsible? The original question by Mr. Frank Noragon was, "What would happen if he moved the blocks at the mast step so as the move the foot forward?" I answered that it would increase the rake and then incorrectly stated that increased rake would decrease weather helm. Fellow listers quickly corrected my error...repeatedly. After being corrected for the third or forth time I decided to reeducate myself. During this review it occured to me that all I was previously considering was the rake. Rich's comments made me consider the placement of the sail in relation to the boat. As such I possed the question to Rich that moving the foot forward does increase rake but actually moves the bulk of the sail forward. What is the net effect? There it is, fire at will. Josh Rich, Less rake = less weather helm. If you go far enough, you end up with lee helm, which can be dangerous. I doubt you have enough adjustment to get that far though. Jake Jake Brodersen "Midnight Mistress" C&C 35 Mk-III Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 1:36 PM To: Josh Muckley; cnc-list Cnc-List Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 Mast Placement in the Step Hi All. I've been having an offline conversation with Josh, see below. Perhaps someone else might like to answer Josh's questions as I can't. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Almost sold in Halifax, NS. On May 2, 2015, at 17:41, Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> > wrote: Doesn't the luff moves forward when you move the foot forward? The original poster was asking about placement of wood blocks. He had all 4 blocks forward of the mast and the mask back all the way aft. I assumed that in moving the blocks to move the mast forward that this would move the foot forward as well. No mention of changing headstay length so I assumed it to be the fixed point in all of this. Based on these assumptions the trailing edge of the mast and the luff edge of the sail would also move forward but the mast as a whole would have more rake. Right? Josh On May 2, 2015 6:53 PM, "Rich Knowles" mailto:r...@sailpower.ca> > wrote: I'm confused. Since the luff is attached to the trailing edge of the mast, if the mast rake increases the luff must move along with it. Perhaps someone else can make more sense if this than I can for you. I'm at work but will post our conversation to the masses when I get home. RK On May 2, 2015, at 15:16, Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> > wrote: What you said was that moving the mast aft moves the center of effort aft. Since the original question was about placement of the mast foot being all the way aft and the consequences of moving it forward I assumed you were referring to the foot. I had originally stated that moving the foot forward would increase rake and then mis-stated that increased rake would reduce weather helm. I was quickly corrected and I conceeded that more rake equals more weather helm. So what is the combined effect of moving the luff edge forward but increasing rake? The two actions have opposite effects correct? Josh On May 2, 2015 2:28 AM, "Rich Knowles" mailto:r...@sailpower.ca> > wr
Re: Stus-List Winter worries
Kevin, let me know the dates, we can probably arrange to share a libation with ya! We do a Christmas lights cruise, quite low key, but usually makes the local paper, and I can let you know dates when I hear them. Feel free to contact me if ya need more info about anything, randy 29-II Tamanawas HRYC Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:49 AM To: Josh Muckley; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Winter worries Per this thread I just bought one of these oil pan heaters for our 2gm20F on our C&C 1989 30-2. http://www.amazon.com/Kats-24050-Watt-Universal-Heater/dp/B000I8YPQ4 We use the boat all winter and occasionally race her Sundays through the winter, so winterizing doesn't work for us. We are planning on taking her up to Hood River for Christmas this year (from Portland). Our last hoorah before baby arrives in the spring It saddens me to hear all the late season starts and early autumn hauls on this list. With Sympathy, Kevin Portland, Or On Thu Nov 20 2014 at 9:35:51 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Fear of fires has been the reason I don't leave ANY electric space heaters on while not on the boat. I use a ceramic heater while working on it through the winter but only under supervision. Josh On Nov 20, 2014 12:08 PM, "Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Speaking of heaters, what types do you use? We have been using an oil radiator for years because I thought they would be safer. But I heard on caught fire on a boat last year and am a little less confident about that now. Tom Buscaglia S/V Alera 1990 C&C 37+/40 Vashon WA P 206.463.9200 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters.
Jean-Francois, theyve both come thru to me on the list, win 7 pro, ie 11, along w/ both apologies! randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 5:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters. My response to Chuck got scrubbed again.. I need to stop trying to send from the phone... Here goes: The laylines are not necessarily set at any particular angle.. That's the genius of it. It analyzes how you are pointing / running relative to apparent wind speed, current, tides, direction, wind shifts, and boat speed then does the trigonometry for the layline angle that gives the optimal tack / jibe point to max-out your vmg to waypoint. During that race I followed it precisely, gained 2 tacks over 5 miles.. Sent from IBM Notes Traveler Chuck S --- Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters --- From: "Chuck S" To: "Jean-Francois J Rivard" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" Date: Sat, Jan 31, 2015 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Latest Charplotters _ That zeus sounds interesting.Would be nice to have the laylines. Are they set at 45 dgrees? Can you set them lower? Chuck Regards _ François Rivard 4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw Big Data Black Belt Atlanta, 30327-3015 IBM Sales & Distribution, Software Sales Usa Mobile: 770-639-0429 e-mail: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Propeller
Hi Bradley, I took a quick look on the cncphotoalbum website and didn't see those charts under the technical info pages. If you happen to have the propeller specs for a C&C 30 Mark I with an Atomic-4 engine, I would be interested to see those. Right now I've got a fixed 2-blade. For next year I'd like to look into a folding prop, so I'd like to know the original specs. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Bradley Lumgair" Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 5:42:29 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller I have some C&C charts on my iPad that show the original prop for several of the models, original engine models, and prop sizes. 16 X 10 is the ONLY size listed for the 33-2 in either fixed or folding. When I figure out how to load it I will post here. It may have come from the CnC photo album, I just can't remember. I'd rather be sailing ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion
Seconded. I believe the underlying ROW principle between different categories of vessel is that the more maneuverable give way to the less maneuverable. Best Regards, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Indigo via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Indigo" Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 7:23:13 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion I would think that "manually propelled" vessels form a different class of vessels. When two vessels belonging to different classes meet, the vessel belonging to the more maneuverable class is the "give way" vessel. In general, manually propelled vessels have minimal draft, and can therefor go where most other vessels cannot. This imho would place manually propelled vessels at the absolute bottom of the pecking order and be required to give way to all other classes of vessels. While I am always courteous and careful around them, they do irritate me hugely when they insist in sticking to the middle of a channel! -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Jun 7, 2016, at 20:46, Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Saw a post on a local yacht club board this week. Seems a sailboat was approaching a group of stand up paddle boarders (SUP's). Sailor didn't know who had ROW. As he went by the SUP's, he asked them. They didn't know either. With the exception of required lights, the rules seem to be minimal on situations with oared craft such as dinghies, SUP's, kayaks, canoes, etc. The Admiral and I rarely put the outboard on our dinghy. We just row ashore or to neighboring boats. Here's some vague guidance: from navcen.uscg.gov : "13. Where do Kayaks and Canoes fit into the Navigation Rules? Neither the International nor Inland Navigation Rules address "kayaks" or "canoes" per se, except in regards to "vessels under oars" in Rule 25 regarding lights. One could infer that a "vessel under oars" should be treated as a "sailing vessel" since it is permitted to display the same lights as one, but, ultimately the issue of whom "gives way" would fall to what would be "required by the ordinary practice of seamen, or by the special circumstances of the case" (Rule 2)." Source: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=navRulesFAQ#0.3_13 Interesting topic. What say you? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion
My wife has a 12' SUP that we use regularly. I can turn 90 degrees and move away in a few paddle strokes and a few seconds - with a dog on the front. I agree a big part of the problem is your average SUP'er, jet skier, wave runner rider, speedboat driver, or party barge renter doesn't know crap about ROW rules, compared to a sailor. But if I'm SUP'ing in a busy waterway I'm following the "tonnage rule" :) Incidentally my daughter has epilepsy - she was born with a cortical dysplasia in her right occipital lobe. The scariest thing I've ever experienced is her going unconscious and convulsing uncontrollably and there not being a damn thing I can do about it. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Bill Bina - gmail" Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 6:32:10 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion The problem in my local area is kayak and SUP rentals, where the renters of the kayaks are completely oblivious to any rules, or their immediate surroundings. I can be motoring in my dinghy in the same direction as a pack of them and they will suddenly, and sharply, veer directly across my bow without any warning, or even a slight turn of their head. I'm quite sure they could hear me coming if they were even slightly paying attention. I have come very close to running them over through no fault of my own. They tend to be in groups, so if one cuts in front of me, I may have to run over their friends to avoid them. This is not a rare occurrence. Sooner or later, one of these idiots will be run over, and then everyone will have a seizure over it, and start proposing all sorts of bad laws. Bad for US. Bill Bina On 6/8/2016 8:18 AM, jhnelson via CnC-List wrote: I suggest that row boats ate power vessels where the "vessel propelled by machinery" is oars. Then rule 18 becomes quite clear. Regardless, rule 18 is likely to apply as a paddle boarder is likely in an area of shallow water where navigation is limited by draught. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Smelly Water Tank
Listers- My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard settee (the tank that supplies the galley sink). Any tips on how to get rid of it? I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the tank but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of damaging the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the tank seems to be a molded part of the settee). Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking. I mainly use it for cleaning. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank
Thanks Michael and all. Sometime before launching I'd removed the pull-out platform and observed that the screw-off access plate was caulked / glued shut. I concluded it must have leaked at some time in the past and a previous owner did that. I'll try the bleach / flush / baking soda / lemon juice / chemical approaches first and, if the problem persists, get into the tank and clean / scrub etc. Thanks, Randy - Original Message - From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Michael Brown" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:42:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Smelly Water Tank The pull out platform the settee cushions sit on can be lifted off. Under that is an access plate that screws off. I usually in the spring use a clean microfiber cloth and wipe down the tank with clean water and a little bit of bleach. There are various chemicals you can add ( Sudbury Aqua Fresh and such ) that work well. I routinely add a small amount of bleach, maybe a tablespoon per 5 gallons, when refilling the tank. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 Listers- My 30-1 has developed a bad odor in the water tank under the starboard settee (the tank that supplies the galley sink). Any tips on how to get rid of it? I'm tempted to pour some bleach in the tank but wanted to check with you all first to see if there is any risk of damaging the material from which the tank is made (fiberglass, I think - the tank seems to be a molded part of the settee). Note I don't drink that water or even use it for cooking. I mainly use it for cleaning. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Friday Night Rescue
Just a little story to share with you all. Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer really hauling ass. Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten minutes. Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, so they must have known something. Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail. It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to again. Best Regards, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue
Awesome Chuck! I didn't know there was anyone else on this list who has sailed at Chatfield! With the summer afternoon / evening thunderstorms we get on the Colorado Front Range, Chatfield can go from zero to oh my God in just a few minutes. Let me know if you're ever back out this way! Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Chuck Gilchrest" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:42:42 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue Good job Randy!! When I lived in Colorado 2 decades ago, I had numerous sailing adventures on Chatfield Reservoir in my FJ that I owned and trailer sailed at the time. Several of those adventures included being pinned against the dam on the northeastern side of the lake trying to get into the boat ramp before a squall hit. That body of water can get ornery in a very short period of time. My wife and I just took a “Suddenly Alone” class at Beverly Yacht Club and learned how to use and retrieve a Lifesling. Would not have had a clue otherwise… Again, you were in the right place and had the knowledge to save those folks. You should be very proud! Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 LF 35 Padanaram MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:18 PM To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue Just a little story to share with you all. Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer really hauling ass. Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten minutes. Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, so they must have known something. Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail. It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to again. Best Regards, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue
Hi Michael, We've met - I remember your boat High Cotton. I used to crew for Rick Fox on his Merit 25. Since he's a mutual Facebook friend, I sometimes see your posts. Didn't know you were on this list - do you own a C&C now? Chatfield may be a weird place to sail, but it's my main place to sail :) Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Michael Cotton via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Michael Cotton" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:58:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue I sailed Chatfield for a few years. They seem to have their own rules for navigation. VHF 16 has no value, orange flags all over the place( we just finished a year of cruising from Md to New England then to the Bahamas and Key West, never saw an orange flag). Orange flags are for extreme emergencies. Sailboats have to give way to a trolling power boat. It's a weird place to sail. On Monday, June 13, 2016 4:35 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List wrote: Way to go, Randy! Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule: When you first enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you might pass out. The shock of entering cold water can take your breath away, and leave you gasping for air. You have about ten minutes before your muscles can no longer help you get back onto your boat. You have about an hour before you might die from hypothermia. Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the person in the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be within reach. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Just a little story to share with you all. Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer really hauling ass. Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten minutes. Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, so they must have known something. Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail. It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to again. Best Regards, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous d
Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue
Because dragging a line by the person in the water is a higher-probability proposition. They can grab it and you can pull them to the boat. Initially I had my crew open the life line gates and stand by to pull the people aboard. But I couldn't get the boat close enough to the people, and it's still going by fast enough that it's easy to miss grabbing their hands, and then you'd have to pull them over a couple feet of freeboard to get them on deck, with the boat pitching and rolling. And two of these guys were 250+ -pound men, exhausted and one incapacitated. Same deal with the swim ladder. Couldn't get the boat close enough, quickly enough, and moving slowly enough, for them to be able to swim over and grab the ladder (with the boat pitching etc.). It was a much more sure-fire proposition to throw a line to them, and pull them to the boat's transom. Even after we pulled them in and they climbed the swim ladder, it was still quite an ordeal to get them over the stern pulpit into the cockpit, because they were so tired and weak. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Lorne Serpa" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 3:59:54 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue I ask because I don't know and am new to sailing... Why didn't you just stop and pick them up vice circling with a ring in tow? On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:10 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Hi Michael, We've met - I remember your boat High Cotton. I used to crew for Rick Fox on his Merit 25. Since he's a mutual Facebook friend, I sometimes see your posts. Didn't know you were on this list - do you own a C&C now? Chatfield may be a weird place to sail, but it's my main place to sail :) Cheers, Randy From: "Michael Cotton via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Michael Cotton" < mpc51...@yahoo.com > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:58:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue I sailed Chatfield for a few years. They seem to have their own rules for navigation. VHF 16 has no value, orange flags all over the place( we just finished a year of cruising from Md to New England then to the Bahamas and Key West, never saw an orange flag). Orange flags are for extreme emergencies. Sailboats have to give way to a trolling power boat. It's a weird place to sail. On Monday, June 13, 2016 4:35 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Way to go, Randy! Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule: When you first enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you might pass out. The shock of entering cold water can take your breath away, and leave you gasping for air. You have about ten minutes before your muscles can no longer help you get back onto your boat. You have about an hour before you might die from hypothermia. Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the person in the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be within reach. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Just a little story to share with you all. Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer really hauling ass. Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten minutes. Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unabl
Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling
That's about what I did. Whether correct or not, it worked. Fortunately these people were conscious and able enough to grab and hold the line, and climb the swim ladder once we pulled them to the boat. The one guy who flopped in the cockpit incoherent afterward made it on pure adrenaline we think. The other guy was more composed once he recovered a bit, and realized how close they'd come to drowning. The girl who went below was totally traumatized, more or less in shock. We got the first guy by himself. We got the other two at the same time - dragged the line by them and they both hung on. One other lesson - wear gloves if possible. That life sling line is waxy and sharp. My crew got cuts and blisters from it pulling those people in. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Indigo via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Indigo" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:31:03 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a fairly large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort of anchor and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the boat needing to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped the line we should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have I got it wrong? -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List > wrote: > > > Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the > person in the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be > within reach. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue
Aw heck, Richard, I'm sorry you're having to deal with that. I realized after the fact it would have been terrible to see one or more of those three people go underwater and not come back up. I confirmed with them several times that there were only three people on board and no dogs etc. I hope you can come to peace with the idea that you probably did everything you could reasonably do at the time and under the circumstances, and it wasn't your fault they got into that predicament in the first place. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Richard N. Bush" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:01:54 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue Randy, good job; I had a very similar incident here on the Ohio River about three years ago when an over loaded runabout sank and we were the only boat near; there were 6 people on this boat, two adults and four teenagers; no one wearing life jackets, no one could swim and there are a ferocious current running; my wife and I were on my C&C 29 and threw life jackets, boat cushions and anything that would float at them, we rescued five of them and one adult nod not make it; the rescue was made even more difficult because the teenager only spoke Spanish,,,which I didn't! The Police and rescue gave my wife and I a commendation award, but I am still haunted by not getting every one safely on board... Richard 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: RANDY via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2016 4:18 pm Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue Just a little story to share with you all. Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer really hauling ass. Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten minutes. Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, so they must have known something. Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail. It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to again. Best Regards, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the gener
Re: Stus-List MOB drills
That's quite a ship Dennis! I can see why she wouldn't spin around on a dime like our C&C sailboats :) Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" To: "CnClist" Cc: "Dennis" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:49:41 PM Subject: Stus-List MOB drills Speaking of MOB rescues, when I was in the Navy as an Officer of the Deck, the captain would conduct unannounced MOB drills. A couple of broomsticks tied in an "X" with a couple of ratty old life jackets on them starred as "Oscar", the MOB. The captain would summon the Chief Bos'n Mate and have him burst out of a locker on the bow and throw Oscar over the side. A seemingly overly alert bridge lookout would yell "Man overboard starboard side" and we'd all have to react to rescue Oscar. Getting the old girl, all 380+ feet and 3000 tons, turned and headed back to Oscar was always a "delight". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Windham_County_(LST-1170) Dennis C. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling
Thanks Gary and all. No, my stern pulpit does not have a gate. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Gary Nylander" Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:41:23 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling Outstanding job, Randy. A question, does your stern pulpit have a gate? Mine has a gate across the middle section, so the job of getting someone aboard is easier. And we have found (we did a couple of trials with the life sling years ago) that the line can get tangled in the case and come out in a lump – so checking it every so often is a good idea (like Dennis says). Gary 30-1 also From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:03 PM To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling That's about what I did. Whether correct or not, it worked. Fortunately these people were conscious and able enough to grab and hold the line, and climb the swim ladder once we pulled them to the boat. The one guy who flopped in the cockpit incoherent afterward made it on pure adrenaline we think. The other guy was more composed once he recovered a bit, and realized how close they'd come to drowning. The girl who went below was totally traumatized, more or less in shock. We got the first guy by himself. We got the other two at the same time - dragged the line by them and they both hung on. One other lesson - wear gloves if possible. That life sling line is waxy and sharp. My crew got cuts and blisters from it pulling those people in. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Indigo via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Indigo" < ind...@thethomsons.us > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:31:03 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a fairly large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort of anchor and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the boat needing to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped the line we should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have I got it wrong? -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > wrote: > > > Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the > person in the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be > within reach. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C and C 25 water in lockers under settees
H Martin, suggest you check out the stability diagram: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin Kane via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Martin Kane Subject: Stus-List C and C 25 water in lockers under settees I experienced this occasionally when I had a C&C 25-2. It would only happen when the sailing hard to weather with the rail buried. If I were going to tighten the hull/deck joint screws I'd start with those closest to the chainplates. This is not an issue with the 29-2 as it is a very stiff boat and doesn't appear possible to bury the rail. Martin C&C 29-2 Recalculating ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
There is conflicting information published on the 30-1's production run. Sailboatdata.com says the 30-1 production run went 1973-1981 with 800 built ( http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1288; don't know why they have hull numbers (apparently) 1-506 in the class title). This Canadian Yachting article http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/reviews/review30mk1.htm says the production run was 1973-1985 with over 800 built. This measurements page http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm says the production years were 1972-1980. None of that seems completely accurate - my 30-1's HIN is 30007972 - hull #7, built in September 1972. The owner of 30-1 hull #1 is on this list; I wonder what his HIN's month and year are. And I have blueprints (sail plan, deck hardware, etc.) for a "C&C 30 auxiliary sloop" drafted by Rob Ball with drawing dates in 1970. Finally it would seem from those sources that 30-1 production ended sometime between 1980 and 1985, presumably with hull #800-something. Regarding the 30-2, sailboatdata.com ( http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1550 ) and the above measurements page indicate production started in 1988. I assume the hull number sequence restarted at hull #1, since it's a different model of boat than the 30-1. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Gary Nylander" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:32:37 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed There was a gap. My 30-1 is a 1980 and is #593. I think Curtis’ is in the low 600’s and is a 1981. The 2’s were not started until the mid-80’s and are very different. Gary From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of allen via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 6:49 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: allen Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed Quick question Al. Your 30-2 is #90. When did they finish making 30-1s and start numbering 30-2s? I am 167. Allen Miles S/V Septima 30-2 From: Allan Rheaume via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:58 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Allan Rheaume Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed Lorne, Although a great C&C your 30-2 is a 28 year old boat. I wouldn't rush off the dock too quickly before checking everything out and replacing filters etc as has been mentioned. Al Rheaume Drumroll 30-2 # 90 From: Lorne Serpa via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Lorne Serpa < lorne.se...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:49 AM Subject: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed I'm going over my survey which I was not present for. I'm 2000 miles from my boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is reversed. How would I fix this? Is it likely backwards on the helm side or on the engine side at the carburetor /throttle valve? Why would the PO have it reversed to begin with? I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I have ahead of time and tools/parts I might need. I need to sail away within a day of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair /reverse it to correct direction ASAP. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C&C 30mkI numbering
I'm guessing the N stands for November? So the 30-1 was being drawn by 1970 according to dates on Rob Ball blueprints I have, and the first hull was built in 1971. Does anyone know at what point in the build process the month and year are fixed for a given hull? Is it when the hull is released from the mold? Or when the finished product rolls out of the factory? Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "rick bushie via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "rick bushie" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:27:38 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30mkI numbering Anchovy doesn't have a HIN. Just a small C&C plate on the transom inside the cockpit with 30-1 on one end and 1971N on the opposite end. Rick Bushie 1971 30-1 Anchovy Tolchester, MD ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C&C 30mkI numbering
Thanks Rick. So what month and year are encoded in your HIN? Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Rick Taillieu via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Rick Taillieu" Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:15:02 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30mkI numbering Randy, I’m not sure for the early boats but according to the build file, for my 25 the hull was moulded in Nov 74 (start of the layup), the boat was completed in Dec and shipped out to the dealer in Jan 75. Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 C&C 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: June-18-16 11:15 To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY; rick bushie Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30mkI numbering I'm guessing the N stands for November? So the 30-1 was being drawn by 1970 according to dates on Rob Ball blueprints I have, and the first hull was built in 1971. Does anyone know at what point in the build process the month and year are fixed for a given hull? Is it when the hull is released from the mold? Or when the finished product rolls out of the factory? Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "rick bushie via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "rick bushie" < rickbushie...@gmail.com > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:27:38 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30mkI numbering Anchovy doesn't have a HIN. Just a small C&C plate on the transom inside the cockpit with 30-1 on one end and 1971N on the opposite end. Rick Bushie 1971 30-1 Anchovy Tolchester, MD ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4604/12447 - Release Date: 06/18/16 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Replacement Handrails
Listers- Can anyone recommend a source for replacement exterior (cabin top) handrails for a 30-1? I would prefer teak, but would be willing to consider an estimate on stainless steel as well. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List 1988 30MkII. When to reef?
Lorne - reef before you get nervous :) My ASA school taught if you are questioning whether you should reef, you already should have :) It's a matter of developing confidence with your boat's behavior under different sails and trims. I started sailing my new-to-me 30-1 just this year, and haven't gotten nervous or way overpowered yet - haven't sailed reefed yet - but I haven't seen winds higher than Beaufort 5 yet (the one time I was out in Beaufort 5 conditions I was under main only). Saturday night I had it heeling ~15+ degrees in Beaufort 4 winds under full main and 130% genoa, and was still several degrees of heel / inches of freeboard from putting a rail in the water. I was having a blast learning how my boat handles, but my wife didn't like it :) I've felt some weather helm on my 30-1 a few times, but have never felt like it was going to round up or heel harder over. It's pretty stiff. But I have no idea how a 30-2 feels. I'm impressed that you wouldn't reef your ASA school's Beneteau 35 until Beaufort 6 or 7. I've seen boats get overpowered, and their skippers reef, at lower wind speeds e.g. 18-20 knots which is Beaufort 5. If you're interested there is some introductory discussion of boat stability and shortening sail in https://www.amazon.com/Yacht-Design-According-Perry-Shaped/dp/007146557X . Beam is important to initial stability, but so is the shape of the hull. I suspect the 30-1's hull section is a factor in its stiffness i.e. initial stability. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Lorne Serpa" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 10:18:17 PM Subject: Stus-List 1988 30MkII. When to reef? I've been sailing for about 1.5 years on a 13' hobbie and WW Potter P15. My 30MkII is my 1st real boat of any size and weight. I have not sailed it yet. I'll be heading out for my 1st sail about 1 July. When do you 30MkII owners start reefing above what wind speed? I believe the 30MkII is "tender", but have also read it is pretty "stiff" so I'm not sure what to believe. I'm not a fan of heeling yet, gets me a tid bit nervous, but not as much since taking ASA 101,103/104 last month. I have heard the 30MkII is pretty good carrying a lot of sail in light wind and moves well. I just needs to be reefed earlier than many boats to sail flat. What is considered decent wind for a 30MkII? I fully understand that it is based on skill. In my ASA classes, we put in a reef in at about Beaufort 6/7 in Corpus Christi Bay, TX. The boat was a 35' Benatou. We had a great time with no worries. Will a 30MkII be similar, or very different due to the 5 foot less, less beam, and probably much less ballast? ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C&C 30-2 -when to reef??
I've got a 30-1 not a 30-2 but I'll chime in anyway. Main: halyard, cunningham, outhaul, adjustable backstay, boom-end sheeting, traveler at aft end of cockpit, after-market Garhauer rigid vang (just installed), two reef points with single-line slab reefing for both. Headsail: halyard, adjustable backstay, adjustable genoa cars on tracks or snatch blocks on toe rails (depending on headsail size). Also my #2 genoa (~150%) can be reefed at its foot, which I'd never seen on a headsail before this boat. I've got two 170s (one heavy one light), a 150, a 130, a jib, and a storm jib. Plus two "staysails" (one heavy one light) with an adjustable tack track on the foredeck. The light one hoists to the masthead via spare headsail halyard (I've got two), and the heavy one hoists with the spinnaker pole topping lift. I've yet to fly those. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "allen via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "allen" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 11:23:03 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30-2 -when to reef?? Hey, all you 30-2 owners. I've got to ask what sail controls for head and main do you have? Allen Miles From: kelly petew via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:12 PM To: cnc-list Cc: kelly petew Subject: Stus-List C&C 30-2 -when to reef?? I, too, carry a 140 genoa, and reef around 12 knots. I like to keep the boat on its "feet". So, 10 to 15 degree heel is good for me. Nervous or not, you'll start to feel weather helm at 10 to 12 knots, and you'll want to reef [the main 1st] to keep up your speed and reduce pressure on the rudder. You are correct that this boat is "tender". I believe there is a chart in the photoalbum archives that documents this as well as the 30-1's stiffness. That said, the boat carries a lot of sail area, and it's fast IMO. Also, I single-hand a lot and typically start with a reef as a prudent measure. If you don't already have them on your main, I recommend adding "dogbones" to your reef points, to make reefing quick and easy [and reduce the possibility of a rip to your sail; they are cheap]. Give a report on your 1st sail. Pete W. Siren Song '91 C&C 30-2 #170 Deltaville, VA Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:25:31 + (UTC) From: Allan Rheaume To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MkII. When to reef? Message-ID: <814944704.1736603.1466504731991.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Lorne, I carry a 140% headsail on my 30-2. I usually start getting overpowered upwind at around 12 knots true. Al RheaumeDrumroll 30-2 #90 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List 1988 30MkII. When to reef?
Allen how did you determine that 18 degrees is the optimal heel angle for your 30-2? Thanks, Randy - Original Message - From: "allen via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "allen" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 6:49:03 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MkII. When to reef? Lorne, It all depends What kind of sails are you carrying and how new they are. Septima originally came with a North Dacron 130 and main, both racing quality, and a full set of sail controls. We quickly learned that with her beam and big butt that 18 degrees heel was near optimal. We also learned that keeping her on her feet was achievable with the sail controls long before we had to reef the main. With a good mechanical backstay adjuster ( I have the original for sale ) and multipart Cunningham you could flatten the main and take some sag out of the headstay. Voila, back on her feet. We used to race in a shallow bay (6 - 8 feet MLLW ) where the local wind picked up to 18 -20 kts in the early PM. We never reefed, just used sail controls. Later I converted to an Ulmer Tape Drive 140. Sail weighed half of the North 130 and did not stretch. Weight aloft went way down and ability to carry sail as wind increased went way up. However, by then we were on the eastern portion of LI Sound and the winds weren't so much. Big Genoa was great for powering up through the chop. Main still didn't require a reef. Lesson learned early on: Genoa is for power, main is for steerage. Septima's wheel has a leather cover I put there. Seams are placed such that rudder has 4 degrees incidence when seams are TDC (easy to measure when on the hard). Helm's job is to place appropriate seam TDC and communicate "feel" to main trimmer ( on Septima, me using Harkin Windward Car setup. ) If helm starts to load up, I drop the car an inch, if it lightens I raise car an inch, keeping the mainsail trim untouched. Boat is fast, wake is smooth and other, larger boats wonder how you're going so fast. The foils on our boats are symmetrical versions of well tested low speed aircraft shapes and you want to keep the flow attached. The boat will "lift" to windward once you get the feel of her. I now have a new UK 140 tape drive so we'll see how it does. Haven't sailed it yet, but it is the engine so I expect we'll easily get to hull speed. My impressions: 30-2s are initially tender, then stiffen. Keeping the rudder in the water is good. Oh, and surfing down wind is a lot of fun too. We made up for a lot of upwind mistakes by overtaking boats down wind. Best of luck. Allen Miles S/V Septima 30-2 Hampton, VA From: Lorne Serpa via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:18 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Lorne Serpa Subject: Stus-List 1988 30MkII. When to reef? I've been sailing for about 1.5 years on a 13' hobbie and WW Potter P15. My 30MkII is my 1st real boat of any size and weight. I have not sailed it yet. I'll be heading out for my 1st sail about 1 July. When do you 30MkII owners start reefing above what wind speed? I believe the 30MkII is "tender", but have also read it is pretty "stiff" so I'm not sure what to believe. I'm not a fan of heeling yet, gets me a tid bit nervous, but not as much since taking ASA 101,103/104 last month. I have heard the 30MkII is pretty good carrying a lot of sail in light wind and moves well. I just needs to be reefed earlier than many boats to sail flat. What is considered decent wind for a 30MkII? I fully understand that it is based on skill. In my ASA classes, we put in a reef in at about Beaufort 6/7 in Corpus Christi Bay, TX. The boat was a 35' Benatou. We had a great time with no worries. Will a 30MkII be similar, or very different due to the 5 foot less, less beam, and probably much less ballast? ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Mainsail dimensions
And those 30-1 measurements at http://cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm are for 30-1s with the boom raised a foot from its original location on very early hull numbers. I have hull #7 and I can tell from holes in the mast that a previous owner raised the boom exactly 12". I've also measured my P dimension and it matches what's on that measurement page (34'). So the P dimension of the early 30-1s must have been 35'. Personally I think it's a good modification. I was thinking about moving my boom back to its original location when I buy a new mainsail, to get more sail area. But I've changed my mind. I'm about 6'3" and so is most of my regular crew, and we don't have to duck too much during tacks and gybes when standing on the cockpit sole. The comfort and safety are worth the loss of ~11.5 square feet of sail area, and there are other ways to gain speed (e.g. folding prop). Besides, last night I hit 7.6 knots according to GPS (my track on raceqs.com) in ~27mph gusts on beam / close reach under main and #2 genoa, and my main's E dimension is a foot shorter than it's supposed to be (10.5 feet instead of 11.5 feet), and I have a fixed two-blade prop! With a ~25-foot waterline my theoretical max hull speed is ~6.67 knots, but I've been over 7 a couple times according to GPS. And I *still* didn't get a rail in the water last night (though very close this time, within an inch or so). That boat is stiff! But unfortunately I ripped my genoa - a three-foot tear in from the leech, parallel to the foot, about 2/3 of the way up. I don't think it was from over-sheeting or contact with the spreader; I just had too much sail up for the wind, and my sails are old and tired. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Frederick G Street" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:40:17 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Mainsail dimensions Scott — IJPE dimensions are on the C&C Photo Album site; that should get you started: http://cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:09 AM, scott teneyck via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Does anyone have mainsail dimensions for a later c&c 30 with the raised boom ? I'm contemplating raising mine a foot to match the later models. Thanks in advance Scott ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Moving my traveler - 30mki
Gary and all 30-1 owners- Regarding "how often is your traveler car centered" - well, how often are your traveler cars centered? When close-hauled on your 30-1s, are you in the habit of pulling the car to windward a bit? My main has leech telltales as well as telltales on both sides farther forward, and I've had a hard time getting them all to fly at once upwind, despite messing with the angle of attack via traveler for a given leech tension via sheet & vang. I've yet to focus on ideal car position for other points of sail. When running I've been dropping it way leeward, but on all other points of sail I've pretty much been leaving it centered. At the dock I pull it all the way to port, because my dock is to starboard. I'd be interested to know how you all set your traveler on various points of sail. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Gary Nylander" Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 12:32:39 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Moving my traveler - 30mki I moved my traveler on my 30-1 from in front of the wheel (all of two feet long and nearly worthless) to across the companionway. I know, it is a pain to climb around when one has to go below, but how often is your traveler car centered? I thought about putting it over the companionway hood, but that was too far forward and would put too much strain on the boom. Now I get the widest possible location for the traveler and reasonable leverage for the mainsheet. I went to a 4:1/16:1 arrangement for the mainsheet – I have a regular 4:1 mainsheet arrangement (looks original for the boat) but I took the last attachment for the 4:1 and hooked up a lighter weight 4:1 assembly to it (actually I used a rope boom vang kit). It has worked well for nearly 20 years. Gary Nylander Maryland From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Ryan Doyle Subject: Stus-List Moving my traveler - 30mki Hey guys, After some research and having the helpful folks at Genco Marine look at photos of my boat, I've come to the conclusion that it's nearly impossible to shade my cockpit while under sail unless I move my traveler. I have a 1976 30mki with a single back stay and a tiller. The traveler is currently located at the back of the cockpit. Before anyone yells "Buy a hat!" or "Wear sunscreen!"... These are all fantastic suggestions, but I'm beyond that. A shaded cockpit is essential to keeping the women in my life happy sailors. When they are happy sailors, I get to sail. When they are not, I don't get to sail. Simple as that. So, I need advice on moving my traveler so I can install a bimini top. I was thinking about moving the traveler to just in front of the companionway. This is a leverage point not significantly different from the traveler location on a wheel-steered 30mki. I know moving it forward will cause the load on the traveler to be much greater and my leverage is going to be lower. I might need extra blocks to gain leverage on the main sheet. I will also need strong backing blocks under the traveler. I may also have to create a new attachment point on the boom. Has anyone done the research and calculations required to do this project? Better yet... has anyone already done this? Thanks in advance for any help. Ryan ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue
Regarding "that body of water can get ornery in a very short period of time" - to wit, a woman just died paddle boarding off the beach when a storm came up: http://www.9news.com/news/local/chatfield-reservoir-drowning/257223837 . I don't know why she didn't make it to safety in time. By way of update, it turns out the guy I pulled out of the water from the sunken fishing boat a couple weeks ago, who I thought was intoxicated or high, was apparently just having a panic attack and the hypothermia was affecting him more quickly and severely since his heart was beating fast from anxiety and pumping cold blood around faster. That made me feel even more guilty for forgetting to treat him for hypothermia, and for making an assumption about his mental state. I'm familiar with anxiety disorders but certainly did not recognize his presentation as a combination of panic and hypothermia. If my crew and I had gotten him below and dried off and wrapped up in blankets, maybe he would have come around a bit. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "RANDY" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Chuck Gilchrest" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 3:03:24 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue Awesome Chuck! I didn't know there was anyone else on this list who has sailed at Chatfield! With the summer afternoon / evening thunderstorms we get on the Colorado Front Range, Chatfield can go from zero to oh my God in just a few minutes. Let me know if you're ever back out this way! Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Chuck Gilchrest" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:42:42 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue Good job Randy!! When I lived in Colorado 2 decades ago, I had numerous sailing adventures on Chatfield Reservoir in my FJ that I owned and trailer sailed at the time. Several of those adventures included being pinned against the dam on the northeastern side of the lake trying to get into the boat ramp before a squall hit. That body of water can get ornery in a very short period of time. My wife and I just took a “Suddenly Alone” class at Beverly Yacht Club and learned how to use and retrieve a Lifesling. Would not have had a clue otherwise… Again, you were in the right place and had the knowledge to save those folks. You should be very proud! Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 LF 35 Padanaram MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:18 PM To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue Just a little story to share with you all. Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer really hauling ass. Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten minutes. Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, so they must have known something. Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I
Re: Stus-List Stu's 30 for selling again?
Is that a reaching strut chocked to the starboard side deck in image #6? That's what a Rob Ball deck hardware blueprint I have shows, but my 1972 30-1 (hull #7) doesn't have chocks on the deck for the reaching strut. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Stu via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Stu" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:01:51 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Stu's 30 for selling again? Yes – that was our dream boat for almost 15 years. Stu From: Don Harben via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:20 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Don Harben Subject: Stus-List Stu's 30 for selling again? Sailboat, 1973 C&C 30 Very nicely tricked out 30 if this was his! Don Don Harben Viking 34 Life www.ncyc.ca ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12512 - Release Date: 06/28/16 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Leading Spinnaker Sheets on a 30-1
30-1 Owners and Experts- Would you mind telling me how you lead spinnaker sheets on a 30-1? Specifically, where do you position your turning blocks, and where do you attach the inboard end of your reaching strut? I'm getting ready to race in the spinnaker division of my club, so I'm trying to nail down my spinnaker rigging plans. I've got snatch blocks to shackle to the rail as turning blocks for the spinnaker sheets, but don't know exactly where to position them fore and aft. I assume aft of the aft lifeline gate brace, which would seem to necessitate a reaching strut for wind angles less than say 135 degrees, in order for the guy to lead fairly from the pole jaws around the beam / stanchions / etc. to the turning block. That's fine, I have a reaching strut, but I don't know exactly how to rig it. Where does the inboard end attach? Toe rail? Same mast ring as the spin pole? Elsewhere? And am I correct to assume the inboard (jaw) end of the reaching strut should face jaw pin up? That way, on the outboard end, the guard keeping the guy on the sheave is up, not down. My reaching strut is of such a length that when I attach it to the mast ring, it doesn't seem long enough to push the guy clear of the beam. I also worry about the height of it that way. It won't attach to the mast collar, and I don't want to move he turning blocks forward to eliminate the need for it. Also how do you lead your spin sheets after the turning blocks? Through ratchet blocks? To winches? Which ones? And do you use twings? I fashioned some makeshift twings using extra mast collar blocks (which may be too heavy for twing usage) with lines crudely running through the stanchion bases near the chainplates and cleating on the dorade boxes. The twings may not be strictly necessary because I have a poe down line running through a snatch block shackled to a padeye on the foredeck then through fairleads to a cam cleat on the side of the cabin top. Thanks in Advance, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.
Are you sure it's hitting the backstay, or is it hitting the (main boom) topping lift? It's relatively common for topping lifts to interfere with main leeches. After raising the main you need to ease the topping lift enough for the leech to clear it. If you get a rigid vang you don't need a topping lift, and they are generally a PITA. But if your boat didn't have a backstay, its mast would fall over forward. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Lorne Serpa" Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 1:35:35 PM Subject: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay. Just put up my main sail for the 1st time today. I've never had a boat with a back stay. On my 1988 C&C 30MKII sail hits the leach. How's that supposed to work? ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C&C 41
Hi Aaron, I don't know anything about that boat Defiant, but I'm curious about sailing around Galveston. Is that where your friend's 35-1 is? I just spent a long weekend there as my daughter is starting the Physician Assistant program at University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston. Saw a couple of marinas with sailboats, and saw some sailboats out on Galveston Bay in a nice breeze. Found a couple of companies with sailboats for charter in Texas City / Kemah on Galveston Bay. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Aaron Rouhi" Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 8:50:31 PM Subject: Stus-List Defiant - 86 C&C 41 Hello, Just wondering if anybody knows this boat ( Defiant - 86 C&C 41) ... Good friend of mine (a current 35-1 owner) is seriously considering a trip to Vancouver from Galveston to see it and I'm just trying to get some background information... Any help is greatly appreciated... http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/C%26C-41-2984102/Mill-Bay/Canada#.V33C8awrKUl Cheers, Aaron R. Admiral Maggie, 19 79 C&C 30 MK1 #540 Annapolis, MD ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
+1. On Chatfield Reservoir in Colorado. April 20th through September 7th this year. Plus various weekend races. Plus a fall series consisting of five Sunday afternoons. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard" Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 8:22:14 PM Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night? Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it every Wednesday in our club" I do too. We look forward to it all week :-) It's a great break in the middle of the week and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
Compared to all the long-time veterans on this list, this is only my fourth year at it (Wednesday night racing). For three years before buying my 30-1 this year, I crewed on OPBs - Merit 25s, J/22s, Capri 22s as trimmer, helmsman, and sometimes foredeck. And Chuck, you sly dog. You never let on that you race with a guy named Rob Ball. I've got one of his drawings hanging as art in the cabin of my boat, titled "Sail Plan - 24'9" LWL Auxiliary Sloop for C&C Yachts", dated December 22, 1970. If he wants to see photos of one of his boats in Colorado, I just updated my album at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTb294M1Z6N0UtV0U (incidentally you can see your favorite northeast corner of Chatfield dam in one of those pictures :) Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "RANDY via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "RANDY" , "Jean-Francois J Rivard" Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 11:12:22 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing +1. On Chatfield Reservoir in Colorado. April 20th through September 7th this year. Plus various weekend races. Plus a fall series consisting of five Sunday afternoons. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard" Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 8:22:14 PM Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night? Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it every Wednesday in our club" I do too. We look forward to it all week :-) It's a great break in the middle of the week and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
Whoops wrong link. Try https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "RANDY via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "RANDY" , "Jean-Francois J Rivard" Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 12:17:08 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing Compared to all the long-time veterans on this list, this is only my fourth year at it (Wednesday night racing). For three years before buying my 30-1 this year, I crewed on OPBs - Merit 25s, J/22s, Capri 22s as trimmer, helmsman, and sometimes foredeck. And Chuck, you sly dog. You never let on that you race with a guy named Rob Ball. I've got one of his drawings hanging as art in the cabin of my boat, titled "Sail Plan - 24'9" LWL Auxiliary Sloop for C&C Yachts", dated December 22, 1970. If he wants to see photos of one of his boats in Colorado, I just updated my album at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTb294M1Z6N0UtV0U (incidentally you can see your favorite northeast corner of Chatfield dam in one of those pictures :) Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "RANDY via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "RANDY" , "Jean-Francois J Rivard" Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 11:12:22 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing +1. On Chatfield Reservoir in Colorado. April 20th through September 7th this year. Plus various weekend races. Plus a fall series consisting of five Sunday afternoons. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard" Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 8:22:14 PM Subject: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing I'm curious: How many of you guys race every Wednesday night? Antoine said : "I do have the shoal draft version (4? 3") and race it every Wednesday in our club" I do too. We look forward to it all week :-) It's a great break in the middle of the week and a good place to meet like minded sailors.. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
"Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on that? I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two each year. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Edd Schillay" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:18:01 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing Great article, Don. Thanks for sharing. The trend is a little more bleak in Western LI Sound. Racing numbers are down everywhere. Years ago, our Wednesday Night series had around 125 boats with 9 divisions. Now we are around 30 and 4 divisions. One of the four clubs on City Island just closed its doors for good. Sad to see the decline. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Don Harben via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2016/07/12/summer-tradition-still-going-strong/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Scuttlebutt%204623%20-%20July%2013%202016&utm_content=Scuttlebutt%204623%20-%20July%2013%202016+CID_9b7e47dad615547db1dfe51d875d17cd&utm_source=Email%20Newsletter&utm_term=Summer%20Tradition%20Still%20Going%20Strong Don Don Harben Viking 34 Life www.ncyc.ca ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C&C34-1 Manual Bilge Pump
I had trouble getting my whale gusher working at the start of the season. I found some small holes in the bilge hose where it passed under the Atomic-4, which I wrapped with duct tape. The PO said he had to pump the handle fast to get the suction going, and he was right. Once I did both those things it worked reliably for a couple months. I could tell when water got into the pump because there was a lot more resistance to the handle motion. But just this past weekend I think I blew something out inside the pump itself. I was pumping fast to prime the pump, and something gave way. The handle moves farther outboard than before, and there is less resistance than before even without water in the pump. I haven't gotten in there yet to see what's going on. If anybody has any ideas, I'm all ears. Thanks, Randy - Original Message - From: "Ken Heaton via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Ken Heaton" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 7:16:36 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C34-1 Manual Bilge Pump On our boat, after years of exposure to small amounts of oily water in the bilge, the manual bilge pump hose became brittle for the first 8" or so of it length and cracked across, just above the foot valve. The internal spiral wire held it together and hid the crack. This was the white, spiral type of hose. I replaced the first two feet or so of hose with a better quality rubber hose. The rest of the hose, over its entire length was quite pliable so we did not change that until last year when we were doing some other work anyway. Ken H. On 13 July 2016 at 09:37, Marek Fluder via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Jeremy, Recently I was able to troubleshoot inefficient manual bilge pump with blowing air from shop-vac into the bilge end of the hose. A small hole in the hose close to the pump became evident pretty quickly. I lucked out that it was in an accessible spot. Marek C320 Hamilton, ON On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: The manual bilge pump on my 1978 34-1 isn't working. I believe it's original. My thinking is there must be a leak somewhere and I need to find that to get the suction working. I'm thinking of taking off the hose at the pump and ensuring there is suction there. Then replace the hose and ensure a good seal. Any words of wisdom from the group on this ? Thanks, Jeremy ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
Hi Edd, Yes, we're lake sailors here in Colorado :) Have a look at my photo album at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ and you can see the lake I sail on. But we get to the Caribbean, Gulf, and Pacific whenever we can :) There's actually quite a healthy sailing scene here, with racing yacht clubs at Chatfield, Cherry Creek, and Dillon Reservoirs, and at Carter Lake. The racing at Dillon in particular is very competitive (and the mountain winds pretty violent). The scene may be vibrant here precisely because there are so few suitable bodies of water for keelboats, serving a pretty large urban corridor and population base. All that said, I just finished an analysis of participation in my club's keelboat series by year since 2012. We had 37 boats in 2012, and have alternated between 31 and 25 ever since. So yeah, a 33% decline in five years. Causes include people getting old, people moving, people too busy with other things, and probably people not wanting to spend the money any more. We've had good luck finding people to crew by starting a meetup group. Of course we get a variety of experience levels, but it's been a good way to find new people interested in sailing around here. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Edd Schillay" To: "RANDY" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:33:08 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing Randy, By “everywhere”, I meant everywhere on Western LI Sound. I don’t know what things are like in Colorado. Heck, I didn’t even know you could sail in Colorado. Ski, yes. Sail? Wow. Looks pretty land-locked on my map. In my area, you can see the decline on sites like yachtscoring.com . But there’s been a lot I can see with my own eyes, along with the chatter around the clubs/boards. I think they can yelled Block Island Race Week this year because of too few entries. It’s a shame, but I get it. Times are tough and racing (moreso than just cruising) gets expensive. People are also working more and spending more time with their spouses and kids — getting crew to consistently participate is a challenge too. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, RANDY < randy.staff...@comcast.net > wrote: "Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on that? I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two each year. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Edd Schillay" < e...@schillay.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:18:01 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing Great article, Don. Thanks for sharing. The trend is a little more bleak in Western LI Sound. Racing numbers are down everywhere. Years ago, our Wednesday Night series had around 125 boats with 9 divisions. Now we are around 30 and 4 divisions. One of the four clubs on City Island just closed its doors for good. Sad to see the decline. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Don Harben via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2016/07/12/summer-tradition-still-going-strong/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Scuttlebutt%204623%20-%20July%2013%202016&utm_content=Scuttlebutt%204623%20-%20July%2013%202016+CID_9b7e47dad615547db1dfe51d875d17cd&utm_source=Email%20Newsletter&utm_term=Summer%20Tradition%20Still%20Going%20Strong Don Don Harben Viking 34 Life www.ncyc.ca ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
Thanks Michael. There's probably some truth to the complaint that PHRF handicaps are not fair (in my RSA I only get +6 for a two-blade fixed prop, and I think a folding prop would make me more that six seconds per nautical mile faster). But I don't think anyone has quit my club over an unfair PHRF rating :) Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Michael Brown" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 8:15:52 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing This is a quote from the USSailing "History of US PHRF Affiliated Handicaps 2016" document. USSailing may have some data but from a quick search I did not see a summary. PHRF racing participation is declining across the country. While there are many factors that have caused this decrease in participation, one of the recurring complaints voiced by racers and race organizers alike is that PHRF handicaps are not always fair. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:58:43 + (UTC) From: RANDY To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing Message-ID: <81652089.51418328.1468425523490.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" "Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on that? I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two each year. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
Yeah, Dillon is a hot scene. Last year 36 one-design boats and 22 PHRF boats: http://dillonyachtclub.com/results.html But it's a violent place to sail. Two years ago at the Buccaneer 18 national championships a microburst knocked down the whole fleet, breaking masts and requiring rescues, etc: http://www.summitdaily.com/news/12521585-113/dillon-lake-boats-lipsher Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Bill Coleman via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Bill Coleman" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:50:20 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing Wow, I am surprised that you have 28 PHRF racers at that small lake, it doesn’t look like there are much more that 28 in the whole marina . Even more surprised to find PHRF Racing at 5,000 feet. And I was stunned to see racing, and 8 nice Starboats racing at 9,500 feet at Frisco Bay on Dillon Reservoir last month. Near the Continental Divide! Bill Coleman C&C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:59 AM To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing "Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on that? I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two each year. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems
PHRF TOT at my club in Colorado. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Pete Shelquist" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 1:29:10 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems All – For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other? TOT vs TOD? Thanks, ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing
Hi Bill, I have not met a Mark DeDenisio in Colorado sailing circles or elsewhere. It looks like he's on the board of Dillon Yacht Club: http://www.dillonyachtclub.com/directors.html Dillon races on weekends, so we have some Dillon people crewing in our Wednesday night races at Chatfield ( http://www.csyc.org ). Maybe Mark does that at Cherry Creek ( http://www.denversailing.org ). Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Bill Coleman via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Bill Coleman" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 6:15:38 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing Randy, I have a childhood friend who has been in the Denver area for some time. He sails, but he might out of Dillon, even tho he is in Southern Denver. Mark DeDenisio, do you know of him? He just bought a Freedom 30 which he has in Oriental, NC which he may retire to in a few years. Bill Coleman C&C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 10:42 PM To: Edd Schillay Cc: RANDY; cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing Hi Edd, Yes, we're lake sailors here in Colorado :) Have a look at my photo album at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ and you can see the lake I sail on. But we get to the Caribbean, Gulf, and Pacific whenever we can :) There's actually quite a healthy sailing scene here, with racing yacht clubs at Chatfield, Cherry Creek, and Dillon Reservoirs, and at Carter Lake. The racing at Dillon in particular is very competitive (and the mountain winds pretty violent). The scene may be vibrant here precisely because there are so few suitable bodies of water for keelboats, serving a pretty large urban corridor and population base. All that said, I just finished an analysis of participation in my club's keelboat series by year since 2012. We had 37 boats in 2012, and have alternated between 31 and 25 ever since. So yeah, a 33% decline in five years. Causes include people getting old, people moving, people too busy with other things, and probably people not wanting to spend the money any more. We've had good luck finding people to crew by starting a meetup group. Of course we get a variety of experience levels, but it's been a good way to find new people interested in sailing around here. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Edd Schillay" To: "RANDY" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:33:08 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing Randy, By “everywhere”, I meant everywhere on Western LI Sound. I don’t know what things are like in Colorado. Heck, I didn’t even know you could sail in Colorado. Ski, yes. Sail? Wow. Looks pretty land-locked on my map. In my area, you can see the decline on sites like yachtscoring.com . But there’s been a lot I can see with my own eyes, along with the chatter around the clubs/boards. I think they can yelled Block Island Race Week this year because of too few entries. It’s a shame, but I get it. Times are tough and racing (moreso than just cruising) gets expensive. People are also working more and spending more time with their spouses and kids — getting crew to consistently participate is a challenge too. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, RANDY < randy.staff...@comcast.net > wrote: "Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on that? I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two each year. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Edd Schillay" < e...@schillay.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:18:01 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing Great article, Don. Thanks for sharing. The trend is a little more bleak in Western LI Sound. Racing numbers are down everywhere. Years ago, our Wednesday Night series had around 125 boats with 9 divisions. Now we are around 30 and 4 divisions. One of the four clubs on City Island just closed its doors for good. Sad to see
Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Hi Steve, Earlier this year I asked a number of questions about racing a 30-1, since I just bought one (hull #7) this year and started racing it. The good folks on this list were kind enough to share their wisdom with me. Here are links to the relevant threads in the email list archives: * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-February/082562.html * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-April/084180.html * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-May/084680.html * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-May/085167.html * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-June/086296.html * http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2016-June/086391.html Incidentally you can search the archives via google by appending " site:cncphotoalbum.com" to your search string, e.g. "PHRF site:cncphotoalbum.com". But it's hard to come up with the right search terms sometimes, and google is not always up-to-date with the mail list archives. So you can manually browse them at http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/, e.g. view by thread for each month and scan the list of threads. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Steven Tattrie via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Steven Tattrie" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 7:13:00 AM Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C&C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C&C. Steve ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
It's awesome that you have a half-dozen 30-1s racing in your club. You could have your own little one-design fleet :) You must be somewhere on the Great Lakes I'd guess. And your competition may be reading this email thread :) Regarding tuning the rig, I just followed the owner's manual. Centered masthead side-to-side measuring with main halyard to rail, tightened upper shrouds until turnbuckles were "hard to turn", tightened lowers to have an inch of play. Set 8" rake with backstay adjuster (my backstay doesn't have a turnbuckle) and with forestay turnbuckle "hard to turn" i.e. very little headsail sag. Here's what I've found so far racing my new-to-me 30-1 in my club's just-ended spring series (ten Wednesday nights). I raced in a non-spinnaker PRHF division sailing triangle courses. My main competition is a couple of Catalina 27s with folding props, rating 221, and much more experienced skippers and crews. I have a fixed prop and 198 rating and crew of total newbies. 1. Despite propeller differences, I can meet or beat their boat speed on every point of sail under the right conditions: a) t he wind has to be up enough, say Beaufort 4, to overcome their displacement advantage of about a ton; and b) my sails have to be optimally trimmed. The 30-1 has better SA/D and D/L ratios than the Catalina 27, but it takes some wind to see those advantages, and it takes good sail trim against experienced competition. 2. They can out-point me by maybe five degrees. I flew my 155% genoa all series, because my rating doesn't account for my 170, and I never had a windy enough night to drop back to the 135. I'll start pinching if I get closer than say 40 degrees to the wind with the 155. 3. I'm getting beat on boat handling and tactics. Our maneuvers aren't sharp enough yet, and I need to have consistently good starts and stay in clean air more, and these skippers know the lake's wind patterns better than I do. 4. My 30-1 is stiff as hell. One night after a race the wind piped up to Beaufort 6 and I hit 7.6 knots on beam/close reach, according to GPS, under full main and 155, and I *still* didn't get a rail in the water (very close though, within an inch or another degree of heel). Then my genoa tore :) She did want to round up under that much wind and sail, and I'd say weather helm requires attention and tuning by Beaufort 5. I decided to stay in the non-spinnaker fleet for the summer series. Just flew the spinnaker for the first time after the race this past Wednesday night, and my crew needs more practice with it. We had a pre-race crisis this week - main halyard jammed at masthead sheave - I was at the masthead in a bosun's chair unjamming it during my start sequence :) We managed to get the sails up just in time, but we were discombobulated and this will be our throw-out race for the summer series :) Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Steven Tattrie via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Steven Tattrie" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 7:13:00 AM Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C&C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C&C. Steve ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Thanks Rick. I have short inboard genoa car tracks outside the cockpit coamings. For the 155 I put the car all the way forward (about at the aft stanchion of the lifeline gate). The sheets pass through the lifeline gates. My sails are old. I'll get a new main next year, and a new headsail the year after that. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Rick Taillieu via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Rick Taillieu" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 6:08:34 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Randy, I can’t comment on rig tuning for a 30 but for your 1-4 list here are a few tips. 1 – Boat speed is very important. Going up wind keeping up your speed through the water will allow the keel to generate lift. 2 – Don’t pinch trying to outpoint the Catalinas. Don’t trim your genoa closer than 4-6” from the spreader, the sail should never touch the spreader, it will make you slow. Do you have inboard tracks? If not still sheet inside the lifelines. I have a tape marker on my spreaders 6” from the tip and use that as a trim gauge. Catalina 27’s have a gift PHRF pretty much everywhere, I have to give them time in my 25. 3 – The key to boat handling is practice. Take your crew out on non race days and practice starts, mark roundings and sail trim. I don’t know how many crew you have but the helmsman should be concentrating on steering, the trimmers in the sail trim and rail meat looking outside the boat for traffic, gusts, lulls and shifts and passing them on to the rest of the crew. 4 – Yes, the 30 is very stiff. That means you can carry full sail much longer than other boats. One other point, how old are your sails? Old sails will be slow and will never out point a boat with newer sails. Good Luck with your racing and keep at it Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 C&C 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: July-15-16 19:57 To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY; Steven Tattrie Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing It's awesome that you have a half-dozen 30-1s racing in your club. You could have your own little one-design fleet :) You must be somewhere on the Great Lakes I'd guess. And your competition may be reading this email thread :) Regarding tuning the rig, I just followed the owner's manual. Centered masthead side-to-side measuring with main halyard to rail, tightened upper shrouds until turnbuckles were "hard to turn", tightened lowers to have an inch of play. Set 8" rake with backstay adjuster (my backstay doesn't have a turnbuckle) and with forestay turnbuckle "hard to turn" i.e. very little headsail sag. Here's what I've found so far racing my new-to-me 30-1 in my club's just-ended spring series (ten Wednesday nights). I raced in a non-spinnaker PRHF division sailing triangle courses. My main competition is a couple of Catalina 27s with folding props, rating 221, and much more experienced skippers and crews. I have a fixed prop and 198 rating and crew of total newbies. 1. Despite propeller differences, I can meet or beat their boat speed on every point of sail under the right conditions: a) the wind has to be up enough, say Beaufort 4, to overcome their displacement advantage of about a ton; and b) my sails have to be optimally trimmed. The 30-1 has better SA/D and D/L ratios than the Catalina 27, but it takes some wind to see those advantages, and it takes good sail trim against experienced competition. 2. They can out-point me by maybe five degrees. I flew my 155% genoa all series, because my rating doesn't account for my 170, and I never had a windy enough night to drop back to the 135. I'll start pinching if I get closer than say 40 degrees to the wind with the 155. 3. I'm getting beat on boat handling and tactics. Our maneuvers aren't sharp enough yet, and I need to have consistently good starts and stay in clean air more, and these skippers know the lake's wind patterns better than I do. 4. My 30-1 is stiff as hell. One night after a race the wind piped up to Beaufort 6 and I hit 7.6 knots on beam/close reach, according to GPS, under full main and 155, and I *still* didn't get a rail in the water (very close though, within an inch or another degree of heel). Then my genoa tore :) She did want to round up under that much wind and sail, and I'd say weather helm requires attention and tuning by Beaufort 5. I decided to stay in the non-spinnaker fleet for the summer series. Just flew the spinnaker for the first time after the race this past Wednesday night, and my crew needs more practice with it. We had a pre-race crisis this week - main halyard jammed at masthead sheave - I was at the masthead in a bosun
Stus-List 30-1 Polars?
Since Francois mentions polars, does anyone have polars for a 30-1? Thanks, Randy - Original Message - From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard" , "steven tattrie" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 6:28:42 PM Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi Steven, "I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running" I don't sail a 30 but for pretty much any boat the pinch vs speed question the answer depends on the headsail you use, wind speed, chop, the shape of your sails, etc.. For example, my 150% can back-wind the main pretty badly on the higher end of its useful wind range compared to the 135 so it's a definite trade-off on speed vs point when the wind pipes up unexpectedly with the 150% up.. I'd say the best place to start is with your boat's polar graph. I made an enlarged / highlighted version of mine that includes the best angles for wind speeds listed out and that's plastic laminated / taped to my bulkhead. Unless the winds are very slight I usually point 8-10 degrees true less than what the polar graph says that seems to be the sweet spot for my setup. Except for the 150%, my sails are pretty much used-up so that might have something to do with it. Once you know the ballpark angle, the best way to tell is to compare your pointing / boat speed with your competitors and keep a very close eye on the windex / wind angle gauge, and even more importantly : The telltales on your genoa. I beat my nemesis (A modified Beneteau First 29 with fresh carbon sails) this Wednesday night by mostly out-pointing him and also because he missed a nice lift :-) As for the whole phrf thing ours is scored ToD and it seems to work fairly well.. Some boats seem to have a bit of an edge When we do everything right it seems we can beat pretty much anybody in our current class, even the Yoda on his Pearson 29 with a phrf of 213.. We have to finish a country mile ahead of him with our 105 phrf but it's do-able :-) Regards, -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Way to go Michael! One question: what did you mean by "OD" (in " It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower"). Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Michael Brown" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:59:18 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing I am just back from 47 hours of racing a C&C 30-1, the Lake Ontario 300 Scotch Bonnet course. We do the Double Handed Flying Sail class, and carry both a symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers. As usual Lake Ontario presents a wide range of sailing conditions even over 2 days, ranging from dead air for a couple of hours trying to round Scotch Bonnet to 31 kts apparent on the nose coming in to the Niagara mark. The 30-1 seems to handle everything OK. Hard to summarize any specific characteristics but as others have mentioned upgrade the rigging so you can correctly trim the sails even under heavy load. Despite being 30' they lines will load up a lot. I have the big boat harken main traveler with a 4:1 primary sheet and a further 4:1 fine adjuster. I put on captive ball genoa tracks this year and adjust them all the time now under load. There is still some magic in these old boats. Windburn took first in class, first in fleet ( pretty much the same ) and first corrected all boats in the Scotch Bonnet course. We had aspirations of line honors even against boats like the J/33, Jenneau 50 and C&C 115 but the aforementioned dead air at Scotch Bonnet killed our miles of lead over the fleet. So sail your C&C 30 hard, watch your VMG and trim constantly. It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower. The 30-1 will handle way more sail area in a breeze than conventional wisdom will recommend. And have lots of fun! Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:57 -0400 From: "Gary Nylander" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Message-ID: <000501d1e1bf$bc5dc4c0$35194e40$@atlanticbb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Recommend not to pinch, the boat seems to want to be free. Also, you should have inboard genoa tracks to help pointing, but need to sheet the genoa outboard for reaching. My tracks are about four feet aft of the shrouds, in line with them and are six feet long? I have adjustable cars (Garhauer) but use a snatch block on the rail when reaching. I set the rig tension on the medium to loose side, but race in mostly light air. Selection is a 155, 140, 110 ? all Dacron (had high tech but when they fail?they fail big and my budget didn?t fit getting new ones every four years). Gary #593 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steven Tattrie via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Steven Tattrie Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C&C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C&C. Stevetensions on ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing
Got it, makes sense. My acronym decoder wasn't working when I read that :) Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Michael Brown" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 8:11:17 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing OD as in One Design, like a Melges 20, J/22 etc. The class rules cover weight, sails, sometimes even this size of all the running rigging. In larger fleets there are tuning documents, some are so detailed they will recommend shroud tension by wind and wave conditions, Most fleets have accurate polars because the boats should be the same, and sail the same. After a while every detail is wrung out to what is the fastest settings and what speed you will get. On the newest designs a lot of the set up is calculated by computer before the boats hit the water. With our generation there was a lot of production differences, sometimes +/- over a hundred pounds of weight, and possibly no one has the same sails even if they are ~ 155%. At best a polar would be a very rough guide. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 From: RANDY To: cnc-list Cc: Michael Brown Sent: 7/19/2016 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Way to go Michael! One question: what did you mean by "OD" (in " It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower"). Cheers, Randy From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Michael Brown" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:59:18 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing I am just back from 47 hours of racing a C&C 30-1, the Lake Ontario 300 Scotch Bonnet course. We do the Double Handed Flying Sail class, and carry both a symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers. As usual Lake Ontario presents a wide range of sailing conditions even over 2 days, ranging from dead air for a couple of hours trying to round Scotch Bonnet to 31 kts apparent on the nose coming in to the Niagara mark. The 30-1 seems to handle everything OK. Hard to summarize any specific characteristics but as others have mentioned upgrade the rigging so you can correctly trim the sails even under heavy load. Despite being 30' they lines will load up a lot. I have the big boat harken main traveler with a 4:1 primary sheet and a further 4:1 fine adjuster. I put on captive ball genoa tracks this year and adjust them all the time now under load. There is still some magic in these old boats. Windburn took first in class, first in fleet ( pretty much the same ) and first corrected all boats in the Scotch Bonnet course. We had aspirations of line honors even against boats like the J/33, Jenneau 50 and C&C 115 but the aforementioned dead air at Scotch Bonnet killed our miles of lead over the fleet. So sail your C&C 30 hard, watch your VMG and trim constantly. It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower. The 30-1 will handle way more sail area in a breeze than conventional wisdom will recommend. And have lots of fun! Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:57 -0400 From: "Gary Nylander" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Message-ID: <000501d1e1bf$bc5dc4c0$35194e40$@atlanticbb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Recommend not to pinch, the boat seems to want to be free. Also, you should have inboard genoa tracks to help pointing, but need to sheet the genoa outboard for reaching. My tracks are about four feet aft of the shrouds, in line with them and are six feet long? I have adjustable cars (Garhauer) but use a snatch block on the rail when reaching. I set the rig tension on the medium to loose side, but race in mostly light air. Selection is a 155, 140, 110 ? all Dacron (had high tech but when they fail?they fail big and my budget didn?t fit getting new ones every four years). Gary #593 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steven Tattrie via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Steven Tattrie Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C&C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seeme
Re: Stus-List C&C 34+ Trailer
Stephen I don't know if this helps you, but the PO who moved my 30-1 from Michigan to Colorado in 2012 bought the trailer before he bought the boat. I'm not selling it, but the trailer is a 2003 38' triple-axle Loadmaster allegedly capable of hauling a boat that long. You can see pictures of it at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ . It has a 16,000 lb. GVWR and weighs 3,800 pounds itself. He bought it because he knew he wanted a 30+ foot boat, and he knew he needed a good trailer for it, probably on the advice of his dad who owns an Islander 28. If I remember correctly he found the trailer in Missouri somehow (online I think), and drove out to get it. Then later he found C&C 30-1 HIN 30007972 in Traverse City Michigan in a Yachting World listing, and towed the boat to Colorado with his previously-purchased trailer. So yeah, the things must be relatively hard to come by. My surveyor valued the trailer at $2,800 when I bought the boat and trailer in January. It has moveable axles, moveable and adjustable stands and bunks, an extendable tongue, electric brakes on all six wheels, and a breakaway brake system. I added a custom-fabricated combination carrier wheel / spare tire to it this spring. I towed the boat in March 300 miles including over an 11,000' pass with 12% gradients and the trailer did great. I don't know what it would cost to buy a new custom-built trailer, but I think the company is http://www.loadmasterboattrailer.com/trailers/sailboat-trailers/ . Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Stephen Thorne via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Stephen Thorne" Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:52:43 PM Subject: Stus-List C&C 34+ Trailer Folks I am in need of advice from the C&C Users group. I am looking for a trailer to store Dejavu’ in the off season and possibly bring her to Lake Lanier for awhile and then later back to the coast. Dejavu is a 1990 C&C 34+ with an LOA of 35’8” weighing in at 13,000 lbs? Acquiring a trailer for a 36’ sailboat is not as simple as it sounds. The trailer needs to be an 18,000 pound gross weight capable triple axel with proper and correct jack stands. So has anyone dealt with a large sailboat trailer before? What are issues to consider in the purchase of such a beast? Does anyone know of a suitable trailer that I might be able to buy? My experience in searching is that it is a very limited market and very few if any are available. I found one currently for sale that was custom built for an Alberg 31’ which is a full keel boat. I think I could modify the trailer to fit Dejavu but not sure at what expense. Another option suggested to me is to find a flatbed trailer and have a welder build jack stands onto said trailer. Not sure what all is involved with that. Appreciate any helpful suggestions or experiences others have had. Stephen Thorne C&C 34+ DejaVu' ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Replacement Handrails
Moving forward with this project. Thanks Bill Bina for recommending http://www.teakmarinewoodwork.com/hand_rails.htm - I got a quote from them but it was cost-prohibitive ($760 for two rails plus $385 for shipping from Tampa to Denver). I've decided to fabricate my own, as one of my crew is extremely skilled at woodworking and has all the necessary tools. I can get the necessary teak stock for <$200. The problem is getting a long-enough piece of teak. The rails on the boat are 117" long. The longest piece of teak I can get is 115". So I have to decide between shortening the rails by two inches, or using an alternative wood. We'd prefer not to do end-to-end joinery for this application. Shortening the rails by an inch on each end probably isn't that big an issue. It wouldn't appear to require changing the mounting screw locations. The main issue is how noticeable it would be afterward. I could get another oily close-grained hardwood species in a long-enough length, e.g. Ipe, Cumaru, or Paduak. And it would be significantly less expensive than teak. So my question to you listers is, do you have any opinions on the merits or demerits of using Ipe, Cumaru, or Paduak instead of teak for exterior handrails? Thanks in Advance, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Danny Haughey" Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:49:40 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacement Handrails +1 on building your own! I do so on my Viking 33 and I was really happy with the result. I even had to scribe them to the rounded splash guard and they came out great! Danny On 6/20/2016 6:22 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote: If you have a few wood working tools handy, they are easy to build yourself. I built my handrails on my 30-1 out of teak. All you need is a hole-saw, jig saw and a router to round the edges. You would build two at a time. I have a matching set down below. This is the best picture I could find: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B87tJUU30YcDdm5rN0lZNTdqOU0/view?usp=sharing IMG_2338.JPG drive.google.com Cheers, Aaron R. Admiral Maggie, 19 79 C&C 30 MK1 #540 Annapolis, MD From: CnC-List on behalf of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:39 PM To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY Subject: Stus-List Replacement Handrails Listers- Can anyone recommend a source for replacement exterior (cabin top) handrails for a 30-1? I would prefer teak, but would be willing to consider an estimate on stainless steel as well. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Replacement Handrails
Thanks for all the responses guys. I lucked out and found a 10' x 6&3/4" x 4/4 teak board in Colorado Springs, and bought it for $219. So we'll cut & rout a pair of one-piece rails from it, and probably have enough stock left over to replace other teak pieces around the companionway, etc. Even if I have to re-finish every X years, these new rails will look much better than what's on the boat now (maybe original?), and will be the least expensive teak replacements possible for me (free labor! :) I'll post before & after pics when done. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Robert Boyer via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Robert Boyer" Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:08:15 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacement Handrails You can always make 2 handrails in the 117" length--just split the length somewhere in between bolts. This will allow you to use much shorter teak boards. However, I changed mine to SS nearly 15 years ago and I would never even consider teak again. All that maintenance time is now spent sailing!!! Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com Email: dainyr...@icloud.com Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore) On Jul 22, 2016, at 4:39 PM, William Walker via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Randy, I have purchased from this guy in Florida three times and had great service. Teak was $110, Shipping was less than 30 dollars to cincinnati, Ohio. FEQ teak. I could send pictures of two sets of handrails I built to you offline. His contact info: Rex Rothing 305.453.0102 woodshop...@bellsouth.net Bill Walker Evening Star CnC 36 Pentwater, Michigan On Jul 22, 2016 1:40 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Moving forward with this project. Thanks Bill Bina for recommending http://www.teakmarinewoodwork.com/hand_rails.htm - I got a quote from them but it was cost-prohibitive ($760 for two rails plus $385 for shipping from Tampa to Denver). I've decided to fabricate my own, as one of my crew is extremely skilled at woodworking and has all the necessary tools. I can get the necessary teak stock for <$200. The problem is getting a long-enough piece of teak. The rails on the boat are 117" long. The longest piece of teak I can get is 115". So I have to decide between shortening the rails by two inches, or using an alternative wood. We'd prefer not to do end-to-end joinery for this application. Shortening the rails by an inch on each end probably isn't that big an issue. It wouldn't appear to require changing the mounting screw locations. The main issue is how noticeable it would be afterward. I could get another oily close-grained hardwood species in a long-enough length, e.g. Ipe, Cumaru, or Paduak. And it would be significantly less expensive than teak. So my question to you listers is, do you have any opinions on the merits or demerits of using Ipe, Cumaru, or Paduak instead of teak for exterior handrails? Thanks in Advance, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO From: "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Danny Haughey" < djhaug...@juno.com > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:49:40 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Replacement Handrails +1 on building your own! I do so on my Viking 33 and I was really happy with the result. I even had to scribe them to the rounded splash guard and they came out great! Danny On 6/20/2016 6:22 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote: If you have a few wood working tools handy, they are easy to build yourself. I built my handrails on my 30-1 out of teak. All you need is a hole-saw, jig saw and a router to round the edges. You would build two at a time. I have a matching set down below. This is the best picture I could find: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B87tJUU30YcDdm5rN0lZNTdqOU0/view?usp=sharing IMG_2338.JPG drive.google.com Cheers, Aaron R. Admiral Maggie, 19 79 C&C 30 MK1 #540 Annapolis, MD From: CnC-List on behalf of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:39 PM To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY Subject: Stus-List Replacement Handrails Listers- Can anyone recommend a source for replacement exterior (cabin top) handrails for a 30-1? I would prefer teak, but would be willing to consider an estimate on stainless steel as well. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! __
Re: Stus-List 33-2 Electrical upgrades, blog updated and organized with details and photos.
Amazing work. Great job Dave. And thanks for blogging it in such detail. This offseason I'll probably tackle rebuilding the mast step on my 1972 30-1 (hull #7) a la http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/maststep/maststep.htm . Some PO kludged a "fix" with a big wood wedge down in that sump, and I'm worried it's transferring load directly onto the keel and contributing to opening the "C&C smile". I hope I don't have to get into a more extensive repair job. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Dave Syer via CnC-List" To: "C&c Stus List" Cc: "Dave Syer" Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:43:02 PM Subject: Stus-List 33-2 Electrical upgrades, blog updated and organized with details and photos. http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html Plenty of upgrades, dedicated start battery, new panel, ACR, battery monitor, revised grounding etc. Just the engine key relocation to consider and the LED lighting upgrades to finish plus installation of Calframo fans and .. well the fridge and maybe an automatic bilge pump. So, nearly done! Other work also documented and posted. Dave 33-2 Windstar. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki
That's the same setup I've got on my hull #7 - a cable bolted from cast metal box under mast, to keel bolt. Probably original. I haven't seen one first-hand, but have heard of lightning strikes to sailboats on my lake (Chatfield Reservoir) that have fried electronics and in one case blown a hole in a hull. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Gary Nylander" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:27:54 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki On my 1980 version, I assume the 'grounding' system is original. There is a cast metal box which the mast sits in and which in turn sits on the big oak block. That box has a battery cable bolted to it which is attached to a keel bolt. Hope it works. Gary #593 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle via CnC-List Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:00 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Ryan Doyle Subject: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki Hey guys, Wondering if anyone can describe to me how they've ground their mast. I have a 1976 30mki and we got caught out in a very fast-moving t-storm this weekend and I realized I should have done this when I bought the boat last fall. My mast step is not original. It is a big, fat piece of mahogany - which I envision blasting apart if the mast took a direct strike. The only idea I've had is using a steel ring clamp to attach a terminal on a very large gauge wire (maybe 2 gauge?) to the bottom of the mast, then run this wire a foot or two aft and down into the bilge to a keel bolt where I would have a second ring clamp hold the wire's terminal to a keel bolt. I worry about how this would look and I also worry whether it would even be effective. Anyone have a better solution? Thanks in advance. Hope you're all having a wonderful sailing summer. Ryan Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Pearson 30 available cheap
I've gotta say, I like the look of the C&C better than the look of the Pearson :) Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Joe via CnC-List Della Barba" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Cc: "Joe Della Barba" Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:42:24 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Pearson 30 available cheap Oops – forgot – the boat is in Baltimore. Here is a photo of her rafted up to me: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/coquinaanddreamon1.JPG Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:27 To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Stus-List Pearson 30 available cheap A friend is moving up to a trawler and needs his Pearson 30 gone ASAP to free up his slip. The boat is in decent shape with a hardly used roller furling genoa. The engine is still winterized from the fall. If anyone needs a P-30 for a few thousand dollars let me know. Joe Della Barba DCSI 410-966-7255 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?
Following up on this, five months later. On the recommendations from Rick and Gary, I bought and installed a Garhauer rigid vang (model RV20-1SL - http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=40 ) on my 30-1. It's been on the boat for about a month now. I've been pleased with both the product and the service I got from Garhauer Marine, so wanted to give a positive review. And thanks for the recommendations. The guy I worked with at Garhauer who is in charge of boom vangs is named Mark. He was very patient and professional - took a couple of calls from me beforehand so I could make sure I ordered the right product and got accurate measurements etc. Then afterward he sent me a corrected boom bracket for free, because I'd botched the boom trace the first time around. And it took a couple reminders but he did finally send me the cam cleat block specified in my original order, after my vang arrived without it (no extra charge for the cam cleat block, BTW). I've been pleased with the vang. The product is solid. The installation was straightforward, with good instructions. It does a great job of keeping the boom down. I wish I'd had it during that rescue last month - with my main flogging during all the action, I got into an attitude where the boom was raised up and trapped against the backstay, which shredded some lights I had running up the backstay, and I'm sure put an unexpected lateral load on the backstay. Before I had the vang installed, the owner of the local ASA school, Captain James Cook ( https://www.victoriasailingschool.com/index.php/home/ownership ) cruised past me on his J/30, with both of us on beam reach, and told me I was losing a third of my mainsail power off the wind without the vang. Now I've got all that power back, presumably, but I'm still not as fast as his J/30 :). It's not close-up, but you can see the vang in the last picture of https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ . And now I can get rid of the #@*&^%$ topping lift next time I go up the mast. So this one has a good ending. Garhauer did right by me, and thanks for the recommendation. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Gary Nylander" Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:08:28 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? As I said earlier, my boat is late, so the boom is a foot higher than yours, unless yours has been refitted. That said, the Garhauer spring loaded tube attaches at the base of the mast, just above the partners, there’s a fitted plate – and the same is true on the boom, it’s about 3 -4 feet aft of the mast. Garhauer will match the plate to the shape of your mast and boom, just send them a template, no charge. I attached the block for the adjuster (which is really a 6-1 vang) to the cabin top just behind the mast, then ran the line through a fairlead on the companionway hood to a line lock on the port side of the cabin top – I have moved a bunch of lines through organizers back to winches on both sides of the cabin top. There are four locks on the port side and three on the starboard. Guido at Garhauer can advise you on whether the angles are OK, just send him the measurements. Good luck, Gary #593 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stafford via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? Thank you Rick, Michael, Francois, and all - your advice is valuable. I appreciate the benefits of vangs from a few years of racing Capri 22s, J/22s, and Merit 25s. In addition to the adjustable backstays on those fractional rigs, we'd use the vang upwind in heavy air to help depower, and to play the traveler in puffs without sacrificing leech tension. And of course we'd use the vang off the wind to prevent boom rise. That is why I was alarmed when I first saw Kona (now Grenadine) without a vang, and I'm really grateful to be able to reach out to this mail list with the question. Those were all soft vangs - block and line arrangements. I like the idea of a rigid vang to replace the topping lift - it is a hassle. I'd always disconnect it underway so it wouldn't interfere with leech tension, and I did drop the boom on my daughter's head once when dousing the main :( And tensioning systems are a pain - you have to reach too high to raise the boom, in order to have enough range when slack to avoid interfering with leech tension. So, for those who have installed a Garhauer or Easy Kick 2, how and where do those systems fasten to the mast and boom? I'll measure the distance from gooseneck to mast collar to see wh
Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?
Yeah I failed to use solder the first time around. Also, upon installing the corrected boom bracket, I had to break out the old roller-reefing crank handle and make sure the boom was rotated exactly right - I didn't pay close enough attention to that the first time. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" To: "CnClist" Cc: "Dennis" Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:55:22 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:39 AM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Then afterward he sent me a corrected boom bracket for free, because I'd botched the boom trace the first time around. For the future and for any others considering this, an easy way to trace profiles of the mast and boom is to get a piece of solder and shape it to the profile. Transfer the shape to paper. Repeat to check it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related
Same. We flush with fresh water from the forward tank on Grenadine, instead of pumping in lake water full of E.coli and decomposing organic matter. No smells, the head thru-hull remains closed, and I don't have to worry about the bowl overflowing. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Allen Miles via CnC-List" To: "CNC" Cc: "Allen Miles" Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 6:40:59 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related Tackled the problem differently on Septima. I installed a fresh water bladder tank to feed the head. No smells from decaying whatever ( reason the Admiral wanted fresh water feed), no chance for overflow on port tacks, no sea water in the boat (that thru hull is closed all the time. Use tank to provide lateral trim. Allen Miles S/v Septima 30-2 Hampton, VA On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:29 PM, robert via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch. Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. FYi for anyone having a similar problem. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Could this happen at your yacht club?
Dennis maybe that's the same gator that was in the water in that photo of Touche' you posted a while back :) Nothing like that at my yacht club. Though we do have a family of beavers living in the marina. Fortunately they are not chewing down trees and building dams across the channels :) Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" To: "CnClist" Cc: "Dennis" Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 9:49:13 AM Subject: Stus-List Could this happen at your yacht club? This was across the street from my yacht club. I usually park in the parking lot shown. < http://www.wafb.com/story/32557023/police-catch-gator-lurking-by-lakefront > Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List SailTimer Wind Instrument
Listers- Have any of you installed (or ordered) the SailTimer Wind Instrument? ( http://www.sailtimerwind.com ) I clued into it last year after experimenting with the SailTimer application ( http://www.sailtimerapp.com ), and ordered one for my boat this year. The problem is the vendor is WAY behind in filling orders. I placed my order on April 10th, and the vendor charged my credit card, and I STILL have not received the instrument. Has anyone else had this experience? Or any other thoughts on SailTimer? I'm sold on the technical advantages of their offerings, but disappointed with the customer service on the instrument so far. Thanks, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List SailTimer Wind Instrument
Thanks Bettina. When I was evaluating the SailTimer app last summer, I found the company to be very responsive to my questions about the software. I just wish they were more communicative about estimated shipping dates of hardware orders. I do read their newsletter; that is the only source of updates. They don't have a phone number, and they are not responsive to email inquiries about shipping dates (in fact they actually discourage such inquiries). I'm still sold on the technical advantages of the product, but by the time I finally get it, the sailing season will be almost over for the year. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Bmue via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Bmue" Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:15:55 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List SailTimer Wind Instrument Hi Randy, We Received ours, no problem. We initially had the older version, which had trouble charging, sailtimer replaced it with the newer model at no charge. So overall we are satisfied with the company's service. Currently the issue seems to be connectivity (ok on ipad, but wont connect on iphone or android phone for some reason now, which it initially did- one at a time of course) also we played with the use of other sailing software such as i Regatta with limited success. I am still assuming operator error, so if anybody can provide insights; the troubleshooting assistance available on the net is limited. Bettina On Jul 29, 2016, at 10:06, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Listers- Have any of you installed (or ordered) the SailTimer Wind Instrument? ( http://www.sailtimerwind.com ) I clued into it last year after experimenting with the SailTimer application ( http://www.sailtimerapp.com ), and ordered one for my boat this year. The problem is the vendor is WAY behind in filling orders. I placed my order on April 10th, and the vendor charged my credit card, and I STILL have not received the instrument. Has anyone else had this experience? Or any other thoughts on SailTimer? I'm sold on the technical advantages of their offerings, but disappointed with the customer service on the instrument so far. Thanks, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Finally Won a Race
I finally won a race tonight - the first time all season out of some 15 races - so I thought I'd share what went right. Finally beat the winning boats in the fleet - two Catalina 27s - boat-for-boat and I don't think they'll correct over me. 1. The wind was about perfect for the 30-1, blowing Beaufort 4 gusting Beaufort 5. I was able to carry full main and 155% genoa without excessive weather helm, and I had six people on board so plenty of rail meat. 2. Had a good start at the committee boat end of the line on starboard tack. A barger caused a logjam in front of me and I managed to duck under it all and crossed the line first. Led the fleet to and around the windward mark with only two tacks upwind. I had clean air and they couldn't close the gap. Sail trim was good on both sails. 3. The Catalina 27s passed me downwind as did a Cal 22. They went wing and wing the whole time, while I started out broad reaching and gybing to keep both sails hotter. I eventually switched to wing and wing too, but couldn't retake them. One of them had his genny poled out, and I didn't. They flew their sails better than me, but I tried to limit my losses. 4. When rounding the leeward mark I was able to cut inside and above the Cal 22 and one of the Catalina 27s, and retook them both on close reach to the offset mark. Only one Catalina 27 remained ahead of me. 5. At the offset mark that leading Catalina 27 tacked, so I gambled and just hardened up to close-hauled. That turned out to be a lucky move. I only had to tack once, several minutes later, to make the finish line. I was able to point high enough to make the pin end on starboard tack and hold off the Catalina 27 who was finishing on port tack, but he wasn't close enough to make it an issue. Fortunately for me he just sailed a longer / slower course after the offset mark, given the wind direction. I think the main reasons we won were a good start, and lucky gambling tactics around the leeward mark and after the offset mark. This rarely or never happens for me, so I'm still trying to figure out why :) The only thing I'd do differently is sail dead downwind wing and wing with my genny poled out, like the other guys, instead of trying to broad reach and gybe to the leeward mark. Hopefully I can have as good of luck next week. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? (RANDY)
Thanks Robert. My boom was raised 12" by some PO. I bought and installed a Garhauer vang and I'm happy with it; it keeps the boom down off-wind. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Robert Gallagher via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Robert Gallagher" Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 9:21:42 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? (RANDY) I had 30MKI hull no. 45 If your boom has not been raised, there may a pretty steep angle for a boom vang. The previous owner of my boat raced it extensively and did well without one. I never seemed to need one but I did have the traveller moved to just aft of the companionway and would sometimes rig a preventer to the toe rail on a run and that would bring the boom down. Rob ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Finally Won a Race
Thanks Chuck. I'm having a blast. My knot meter was indicating 5.5-6.25 knots depending on point of sail, but I don't know if it's calibrated perfectly. I didn't have RaceQs running this time, to check it against GPS. My theoretical max hull speed is ~6.67 knots. But a month ago the wind piped up to Beaufort 7 after a race and I hit 7.6 knots on close reach according to GPS before my genoa tore :) I assume GPS doesn't lie. And thanks for the tips. I've gotten different opinions on whether to sail dead downwind or broad reach and gybe. But when I saw the more experienced (and more winning) skippers and crews and boats sailing DDW wing and wing with gennies poled out, and passing me broad reaching, that kind of settled the question :) (at least for that wind speed). Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Chuck S via CnC-List" To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" Cc: "Chuck S" Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 12:24:42 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Finally Won a Race Hi Randy, You sound like you're having a lot of fun racing. You are definitely doing some things right. Here's some things I would think about:: I had to look up the Beaufort scale to see you had 11 to 16 knots gusting 17 to 21. You should have been sailing at hullspeed on all points of sail. What was your hullspeed indicating? That would be a lot of wind for a 155% on my boat and smaller headsail may have pointed higher up wind where you seem to have an advantage over the fleet. Downwind you want the full headsail, so I understand. I agree, Clear Air is essential. Sailing downwind in that strong a wind we would do wing and wing straight to the downwind mark. I don't always set a pole when I'm by myself, but I find it really improves speed when sailing dead downwind. It steadys the sail and keeps it projected straight out from the boat. If you are serious about racing, clean the bottom before every race. Here on the East Coast, that trick won me more races than anything, especially when the air was below 8 knots. Glad to read your story. Please keep sending those as you improve. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ----- Original Message - From: "RANDY via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "RANDY" Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 1:16:47 AM Subject: Stus-List Finally Won a Race I finally won a race tonight - the first time all season out of some 15 races - so I thought I'd share what went right. Finally beat the winning boats in the fleet - two Catalina 27s - boat-for-boat and I don't think they'll correct over me. 1. The wind was about perfect for the 30-1, blowing Beaufort 4 gusting Beaufort 5. I was able to carry full main and 155% genoa without excessive weather helm, and I had six people on board so plenty of rail meat. 2. Had a good start at the committee boat end of the line on starboard tack. A barger caused a logjam in front of me and I managed to duck under it all and crossed the line first. Led the fleet to and around the windward mark with only two tacks upwind. I had clean air and they couldn't close the gap. Sail trim was good on both sails. 3. The Catalina 27s passed me downwind as did a Cal 22. They went wing and wing the whole time, while I started out broad reaching and gybing to keep both sails hotter. I eventually switched to wing and wing too, but couldn't retake them. One of them had his genny poled out, and I didn't. They flew their sails better than me, but I tried to limit my losses. 4. When rounding the leeward mark I was able to cut inside and above the Cal 22 and one of the Catalina 27s, and retook them both on close reach to the offset mark. Only one Catalina 27 remained ahead of me. 5. At the offset mark that leading Catalina 27 tacked, so I gambled and just hardened up to close-hauled. That turned out to be a lucky move. I only had to tack once, several minutes later, to make the finish line. I was able to point high enough to make the pin end on starboard tack and hold off the Catalina 27 who was finishing on port tack, but he wasn't close enough to make it an issue. Fortunately for me he just sailed a longer / slower course after the offset mark, given the wind direction. I think the main reasons we won were a good start, and lucky gambling tactics around the leeward mark and after the offset mark. This rarely or never happens for me, so I'm still trying to figure out why :) The only thing I'd do differently is sail dead downwind wing and wing with my genny poled out, like the other guys, instead of trying to broad reach and gybe to the leeward mark. Hopefully I can have as good of luck next week. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ This list is su
Stus-List Solvent for Silicone
Listers- My exterior handrail replacement project is underway - began removing the handrails today. The bases of the exterior handrails were bedded to the cabintop gelcoat with what appears to be some kind of silicone-like substance. Can anybody recommend a good solvent for that stuff? I tried goo-gone and it wouldn't dissolve the stuff. Want to get that gelcoat clean before bedding the bases of the new handrails. Thanks in Advance, Randy ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Finally Won a Race now reaching strut
Michael the person who posted about a hand held whisker pole sails on Lake Lanier, GA. He described using a hand-held boat hook to pole out his genoa. Nobody from the Rocky Mountain region posted about that. The RSA for the Rocky Mountain region (SAIL, http://rmsail.org ) follows the RRS and doesn't impose any rules of its own, and delegates to the SIs of its member clubs. Colorado Sail and Yacht Club's SIs (https://csyc.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/2016-CSYC-Spring-Summer-SIs.pdf) follow the RRS and don't modify anything to do with equipment (or navigation rules, or signal flags, or right of way rules, referring to an earlier post of yours). We keep clear of stationary or trolling fishermen with fishing lines out as a courtesy. So IMO your disparagement of this region is unfounded. In fact I remember one time during the summer of 2013 when High Cotton was RC. It was a completely dead-air, glassy-water night at the time of the J/22 start sequence. I was on Rick Fox's Merit 25 Gypsy Breeze, in the start sequence after the J/22s. We were trying to get out of the way of the J/22 start and had to fend off the committee boat, as we were making absolutely no headway and had absolutely no steerage. You disqualified us for "hitting the RC boat", which was completely inappropriate for several reasons: first, we weren't racing at that moment as defined by the RRS; second, if we had been racing the penalty for touching a mark (which the RC boat is) is taking a single turn, not a DSQ; and third, our boats didn't touch. Not to mention the general friendliness and sportsmanship aspects of the whole thing. Perhaps you should brush up on the rules and facts before making and communicating judgements. BTW you never answered my question in the earlier thread: do you own a C&C now? Regards, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Michael Cotton via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Michael Cotton" Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:10:22 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Finally Won a Race now reaching strut This is sailing in the Rocky Mountain region. Their sailing rules are quite different from anywhere else I've sailed. I sailed there for a few years. Prior to coming to Colorado I sailed under YRALIS (Long Island Sound) and NBYA (Narragansett Bay) rules for over 20 years. Not surprised a hand held whisker pole is legal under Rocky Mountain sailing. Sent from my iPhone ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Help me pick next boat
Lorne you're getting out already? Didn't you just buy that boat? John - how about an Islander 28? It's a Robert Perry design. Here's one for sale in TX: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/Islander-28-2799836/TX/United-States#.V6k0xscnuq0 Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Lorne Serpa" Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:48:14 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Help me pick next boat For 25K, that is, sorry not free. On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Lorne Serpa < lorne.se...@gmail.com > wrote: You can have my 1988 MkII in Jan/Feb. It's a 30' and in great shape, works great for racing (proven winner) and I currently live on it, fridge, hatch AC, very very good shape! Have to wait though as it's my house. Lots of extra sails, way too many recent things to mention. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Boarding Ladder
Hi Ali, I have a 1972 C&C 30 Mk. I, hull #7, with a hinging swim ladder in the middle of the transom. I don't think the bottom rung hits the rudder - I'll confirm that later today. But I worry about people stepping on the top of the rudder. Fortunately I have tiller steering, so I can turn the rudder through 360 degrees. So I turn it around 180 degrees backward when I have the ladder down, to keep it out of the way. I also do that when backing the boat - it makes steering easier when backing. My only issue with the swim ladder is that, when folded up, it's in the way of where the flag staff would go. So I have to fly my ensign from the backstay. You might consider mounting the ladder to starboard on the transom so it doesn't interfere with the flag staff. On the other hand, centering it looks better, makes it easier to tie up when folded, and probably makes it easier to climb into the cockpit. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Alan Zuas via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Alan Zuas" Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:29:51 PM Subject: Stus-List Boarding Ladder Hi, I am relatively new to sailing and the boat life, and this is my first post here. I have a C&C 30' 1976 and love the boat. I have been working on different projects, and now I'd to install a boarding ladder on my boat. I looked around the marina and noticed a lot of people have their ladders right in the middle of the transom. I am a little hesitant since the rudder seems to be somewhat large and the last ladder rung might touch it or make it difficult for someone to get on the ladder. I was wondering what you think about this, and if you have ideas on where I should install the ladder. the ladder is 3 feet long and 1 foot wide and has a hinge to drop it in water. Thank you, Ali C&C 30 1976 Seattle ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Water everywhere
Dennis I hope everything is OK for you & yours. I haven't heard anything from my kinfolk in Walker, but I know that area was hard hit (17" of rain in Livingston as of Friday). Wishing for the best for all of you Louisianans. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" To: "CnClist" Cc: "Dennis" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:19:48 AM Subject: Stus-List Water everywhere Perhaps you've seen the news about the flooding in south Louisiana. It's been bad. Lots of folks flooded out. Lots of sad stories. The water began to enter my neighborhood in Baton Rouge early yesterday morning. The Admiral and I watched the water slowly rise in the street in front of our house. It filled the street then crept over the sidewalk inching its way toward the house. It stopped about 8 last night 20 inches below the elevation of the house floor. We still have water in the street but it's receding slowly. Others weren't so lucky. Many of the Admiral's family and friends were flooded. Roads are still closed. It will be days before many folks can return to their homes to assess damage. To make this sailing related, I keep Touche' sails in a commercial storage nearby. The storage building is adjacent the bayou which backflowed into our neighborhood. The Admiral and I went to the storage unit yesterday morning to raise stuff off the floor. Touche's sails didn't get raised. I'll go visit the storage later today. Hopefully it remained dry. Otherwise I'll be drying sails all week and being grateful it's not clothes, furniture and belongings. Thoughts and prayers to all affected. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Water everywhere
Here’s a video taken Saturday in Walker by a couple guys in a skiff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za9JG5iIRrg . They started at the Winn Dixie store ( https://goo.gl/Iy5KWf ) and proceeded up Pendarvis Lane. It looks bad there; l ooks like a dinghy is the best way to get around. You surely have my sympathy. What a mess! Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "RANDY via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "RANDY" , "cnc-list" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:30:21 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Water everywhere Dennis I hope everything is OK for you & yours. I haven't heard anything from my kinfolk in Walker, but I know that area was hard hit (17" of rain in Livingston as of Friday). Wishing for the best for all of you Louisianans. Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" To: "CnClist" Cc: "Dennis" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 7:19:48 AM Subject: Stus-List Water everywhere Perhaps you've seen the news about the flooding in south Louisiana. It's been bad. Lots of folks flooded out. Lots of sad stories. The water began to enter my neighborhood in Baton Rouge early yesterday morning. The Admiral and I watched the water slowly rise in the street in front of our house. It filled the street then crept over the sidewalk inching its way toward the house. It stopped about 8 last night 20 inches below the elevation of the house floor. We still have water in the street but it's receding slowly. Others weren't so lucky. Many of the Admiral's family and friends were flooded. Roads are still closed. It will be days before many folks can return to their homes to assess damage. To make this sailing related, I keep Touche' sails in a commercial storage nearby. The storage building is adjacent the bayou which backflowed into our neighborhood. The Admiral and I went to the storage unit yesterday morning to raise stuff off the floor. Touche's sails didn't get raised. I'll go visit the storage later today. Hopefully it remained dry. Otherwise I'll be drying sails all week and being grateful it's not clothes, furniture and belongings. Thoughts and prayers to all affected. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List List of 30-1s
This is great information. Wish such a thing existed for 30-1s as well. Could we start a tabulation, or does one already exist? I only know of a few from this list: Hull #1 - Anchovy - Rick Bushie - Worton, MD Hull #7 - Grenadine - Randy Stafford - Ken Caryl, CO (tiller steering, traveler aft) Hull #377 - Nobody's Bargain - Ryan Doyle - New York Hull #453 - Windburn - Michael Brown - ? Hull #540 - Admiral Maggie - Aaron Rouhi - Annapolis, MD Hull #593 - Volunteer - Gary Nylander - St. Michaels, MD Hull #? - Wild Cheri - Ron Frerker - St. Louis, MO Hull #? - Sarah Jean - Nate Flesness - St. Croix River, WI Hull #? - Zia - Joe Boyle - ? Hull #? - Muir Ca-leag - Jeff Nelson - Halifax Hull #? - Cousin - Antoine Rose - ? Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Frederick G Street" Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:58:53 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 - List of Hull Numbers etc. John — here’s some info for you: Frank Noragon S/V Cool Change C&C Landfall 38, #001 Rose City Yacht Club Portland, Oregon (this would have been a Rhode Island boat, I believe) Jeff Cole 1979 C&C Landfall 38 “Masala" (not sure of the hull number, but must be near mine; also a Rhode Island build, I think) — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 17, 2016, at 8:15 PM, John Sandford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Im just starting one judging by the feedback ! I got 7 replies already Do you have more information for Frank and Jeff,like boat name and year. Here is what the starting columns are Hull Year Owner Boat Name Built at Present Location ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1
"That boat loves it when the wind pipes up" You were so right, Mike. Raced in 25 kt. gusts again tonight for the second time in two weeks, and won for the second time in two weeks. Carried full main and 155% genoa with six bodies on the rail and couldn't get a rail in the water or induce a round-up or feel excessive weather helm. Gapped the fleet from the start and beat the next boat by at least a minute. She does love the stronger wind. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO - Original Message - From: "Mike via CnC-List Hoyt" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Mike Hoyt" Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 6:20:58 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 If gusty and triangles and boats are “trying to stay in control or reduce weather helm” then bodies on the rail will keep you powered up and fast. Otherwise you will need a main trimmer to work very closely with helm to keep you on your feet If you JAM is triangles and everyone is at hull speed then you do not really require to be in spin class since there are no DDW legs and the 30 with a large genoa should always be moving. That boat loves it when the wind pipes up. Put some bodies on board and on the rail and do not reef too early and you will kick but on triangle JAM courses. Once you get bored of that and when you have 6 persons then try switching to WL with the spin Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stafford via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 1:49 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net Subject: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 Hi All, I'd welcome any opinions you might like to share on racing a 30-1. As mentioned in the other thread on handicapping JAM boats, I have a choice of racing my (new to me) 30-1 in a spinnaker boat division or a non-spinnaker boat division (my boat is rigged for spinnaker). We have ten-week series in my club, and I'd have to stay in one division for a whole series (but could switch divisions between series). We also have occasional one and two-day weekend races in which I'd have to choose a division. >From what I see in >http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf > , it looks like a 30-1 usually gets a PHRF rating of 174, which would be the >third-lowest rating in my club. We've got a Capri-25 at 173, and an F-240s at >170. One of my questions is how many crew are advisable for racing a 30-1, with spinnaker or without. On smaller boats (Capri-22s, J/22s, Merit 25s) we'd race and fly spinnaker with three crew - helm, trimmer, and foredeck. A fourth could come in handy in heavy air. I've gotten a couple indications that I should have maybe twice that number for a 30-1. What are the typical crew positions on a 30-1? If it makes any difference, my spinnakers have dousing socks. I race on a lake in Colorado. The spinnaker division courses are upwind / downwind, and the non-spinnaker division courses are triangles. We generally try to set courses so that races last 60-90 minutes. Weather-wise we have varied conditions from night to night. Some nights are frickin' gusty, with Colorado afternoon and evening thunderstorms. Some nights are light air and we run out of beer before finishing :) Several times a year we get really good conditions - a steady 15-20 kt. breeze in which everyone's at hull speed and and trying to stay in control and / or reduce weather helm. Sea state is not really an issue, except for some powerboat wake and chop. If there were more light-air nights in a series than heavy-air nights, would a 30-1 perform better against its PRHF on a triangle course, or on an upwind / downwind course? How many crew (some experienced, some not, all still reasonably agile) are needed to handle a 30-1 safely under spinnaker in gusty or heavy-air conditions? Thanks in advance for any opinions. Best Regards, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30 MK1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List List of 30-1s
Thanks Gary. I haven't seen Stu's list of owners. Do you have a link? Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" To: "cnc-list" Cc: "Gary Nylander" Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:46:45 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List List of 30-1s Have you looked at Stu’s list of owners? I thought there were more of us on that. By the way, my #593 is named “Penniless” – wheel, traveler moved to bridgedeck. A poster on this list named Curtis has one in the 600’s down in the Carolina’s. Gary From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 2:05 AM To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY Subject: Stus-List List of 30-1s This is great information. Wish such a thing existed for 30-1s as well. Could we start a tabulation, or does one already exist? I only know of a few from this list: Hull #1 - Anchovy - Rick Bushie - Worton, MD Hull #7 - Grenadine - Randy Stafford - Ken Caryl, CO (tiller steering, traveler aft) Hull #377 - Nobody's Bargain - Ryan Doyle - New York Hull #453 - Windburn - Michael Brown - ? Hull #540 - Admiral Maggie - Aaron Rouhi - Annapolis, MD Hull #593 - Volunteer - Gary Nylander - St. Michaels, MD Hull #? - Wild Cheri - Ron Frerker - St. Louis, MO Hull #? - Sarah Jean - Nate Flesness - St. Croix River, Hull #? - Zia - Joe Boyle - ? Hull #? - Muir Ca-leag - Jeff Nelson - Halifax Hull #? - Cousin - Antoine Rose - ? Cheers, Randy - Original Message - From: "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Frederick G Street" < f...@postaudio.net > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:58:53 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 - List of Hull Numbers etc. John — here’s some info for you: Frank Noragon S/V Cool Change C&C Landfall 38, #001 Rose City Yacht Club Portland, Oregon (this would have been a Rhode Island boat, I believe) Jeff Cole 1979 C&C Landfall 38 “Masala" (not sure of the hull number, but must be near mine; also a Rhode Island build, I think) — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 17, 2016, at 8:15 PM, John Sandford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: Im just starting one judging by the feedback ! I got 7 replies already Do you have more information for Frank and Jeff,like boat name and year. Here is what the starting columns are Hull Year Owner Boat Name Built at Present Location ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
