Thanks Rick. I have short inboard genoa car tracks outside the cockpit coamings. For the 155 I put the car all the way forward (about at the aft stanchion of the lifeline gate). The sheets pass through the lifeline gates.
My sails are old. I'll get a new main next year, and a new headsail the year after that. Cheers, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Taillieu via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Rick Taillieu" <rtaill...@eastlink.ca> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 6:08:34 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Randy, I can’t comment on rig tuning for a 30 but for your 1-4 list here are a few tips. 1 – Boat speed is very important. Going up wind keeping up your speed through the water will allow the keel to generate lift. 2 – Don’t pinch trying to outpoint the Catalinas. Don’t trim your genoa closer than 4-6” from the spreader, the sail should never touch the spreader, it will make you slow. Do you have inboard tracks? If not still sheet inside the lifelines. I have a tape marker on my spreaders 6” from the tip and use that as a trim gauge. Catalina 27’s have a gift PHRF pretty much everywhere, I have to give them time in my 25. 3 – The key to boat handling is practice. Take your crew out on non race days and practice starts, mark roundings and sail trim. I don’t know how many crew you have but the helmsman should be concentrating on steering, the trimmers in the sail trim and rail meat looking outside the boat for traffic, gusts, lulls and shifts and passing them on to the rest of the crew. 4 – Yes, the 30 is very stiff. That means you can carry full sail much longer than other boats. One other point, how old are your sails? Old sails will be slow and will never out point a boat with newer sails. Good Luck with your racing and keep at it Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 C&C 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List Sent: July-15-16 19:57 To: cnc-list Cc: RANDY; Steven Tattrie Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing It's awesome that you have a half-dozen 30-1s racing in your club. You could have your own little one-design fleet :) You must be somewhere on the Great Lakes I'd guess. And your competition may be reading this email thread :) Regarding tuning the rig, I just followed the owner's manual. Centered masthead side-to-side measuring with main halyard to rail, tightened upper shrouds until turnbuckles were "hard to turn", tightened lowers to have an inch of play. Set 8" rake with backstay adjuster (my backstay doesn't have a turnbuckle) and with forestay turnbuckle "hard to turn" i.e. very little headsail sag. Here's what I've found so far racing my new-to-me 30-1 in my club's just-ended spring series (ten Wednesday nights). I raced in a non-spinnaker PRHF division sailing triangle courses. My main competition is a couple of Catalina 27s with folding props, rating 221, and much more experienced skippers and crews. I have a fixed prop and 198 rating and crew of total newbies. 1. Despite propeller differences, I can meet or beat their boat speed on every point of sail under the right conditions: a) the wind has to be up enough, say Beaufort 4, to overcome their displacement advantage of about a ton; and b) my sails have to be optimally trimmed. The 30-1 has better SA/D and D/L ratios than the Catalina 27, but it takes some wind to see those advantages, and it takes good sail trim against experienced competition. 2. They can out-point me by maybe five degrees. I flew my 155% genoa all series, because my rating doesn't account for my 170, and I never had a windy enough night to drop back to the 135. I'll start pinching if I get closer than say 40 degrees to the wind with the 155. 3. I'm getting beat on boat handling and tactics. Our maneuvers aren't sharp enough yet, and I need to have consistently good starts and stay in clean air more, and these skippers know the lake's wind patterns better than I do. 4. My 30-1 is stiff as hell. One night after a race the wind piped up to Beaufort 6 and I hit 7.6 knots on beam/close reach, according to GPS, under full main and 155, and I *still* didn't get a rail in the water (very close though, within an inch or another degree of heel). Then my genoa tore :) She did want to round up under that much wind and sail, and I'd say weather helm requires attention and tuning by Beaufort 5. I decided to stay in the non-spinnaker fleet for the summer series. Just flew the spinnaker for the first time after the race this past Wednesday night, and my crew needs more practice with it. We had a pre-race crisis this week - main halyard jammed at masthead sheave - I was at the masthead in a bosun's chair unjamming it during my start sequence :) We managed to get the sails up just in time, but we were discombobulated and this will be our throw-out race for the summer series :) Cheers, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Tattrie via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Steven Tattrie" < steven.tatt...@gmail.com > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 7:13:00 AM Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C&C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C&C. Steve _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7688 / Virus Database: 4627/12623 - Release Date: 07/15/16 _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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