Got it, makes sense. My acronym decoder wasn't working when I read that :)
Cheers, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 8:11:17 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing OD as in One Design, like a Melges 20, J/22 etc. The class rules cover weight, sails, sometimes even this size of all the running rigging. In larger fleets there are tuning documents, some are so detailed they will recommend shroud tension by wind and wave conditions, Most fleets have accurate polars because the boats should be the same, and sail the same. After a while every detail is wrung out to what is the fastest settings and what speed you will get. On the newest designs a lot of the set up is calculated by computer before the boats hit the water. With our generation there was a lot of production differences, sometimes +/- over a hundred pounds of weight, and possibly no one has the same sails even if they are ~ 155%. At best a polar would be a very rough guide. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 From: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Michael Brown <m...@tkg.ca> Sent: 7/19/2016 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Way to go Michael! One question: what did you mean by "OD" (in " It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower"). Cheers, Randy From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Michael Brown" <m...@tkg.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:59:18 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing I am just back from 47 hours of racing a C&C 30-1, the Lake Ontario 300 Scotch Bonnet course. We do the Double Handed Flying Sail class, and carry both a symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers. As usual Lake Ontario presents a wide range of sailing conditions even over 2 days, ranging from dead air for a couple of hours trying to round Scotch Bonnet to 31 kts apparent on the nose coming in to the Niagara mark. The 30-1 seems to handle everything OK. Hard to summarize any specific characteristics but as others have mentioned upgrade the rigging so you can correctly trim the sails even under heavy load. Despite being 30' they lines will load up a lot. I have the big boat harken main traveler with a 4:1 primary sheet and a further 4:1 fine adjuster. I put on captive ball genoa tracks this year and adjust them all the time now under load. There is still some magic in these old boats. Windburn took first in class, first in fleet ( pretty much the same ) and first corrected all boats in the Scotch Bonnet course. We had aspirations of line honors even against boats like the J/33, Jenneau 50 and C&C 115 but the aforementioned dead air at Scotch Bonnet killed our miles of lead over the fleet. So sail your C&C 30 hard, watch your VMG and trim constantly. It is not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly off is slower. The 30-1 will handle way more sail area in a breeze than conventional wisdom will recommend. And have lots of fun! Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 <blockquote> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:57 -0400 From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Message-ID: <000501d1e1bf$bc5dc4c0$35194e40$@atlanticbb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Recommend not to pinch, the boat seems to want to be free. Also, you should have inboard genoa tracks to help pointing, but need to sheet the genoa outboard for reaching. My tracks are about four feet aft of the shrouds, in line with them and are six feet long? I have adjustable cars (Garhauer) but use a snatch block on the rail when reaching. I set the rig tension on the medium to loose side, but race in mostly light air. Selection is a 155, 140, 110 ? all Dacron (had high tech but when they fail?they fail big and my budget didn?t fit getting new ones every four years). Gary #593 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steven Tattrie via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Steven Tattrie <steven.tatt...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MK1 PHRF racing Hi, I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C&C 30 MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 MK1 racing. All C&C. Stevetensions on _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! </blockquote> _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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