Following up on this, five months later. On the recommendations from Rick and Gary, I bought and installed a Garhauer rigid vang (model RV20-1SL - http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=40 ) on my 30-1. It's been on the boat for about a month now.
I've been pleased with both the product and the service I got from Garhauer Marine, so wanted to give a positive review. And thanks for the recommendations. The guy I worked with at Garhauer who is in charge of boom vangs is named Mark. He was very patient and professional - took a couple of calls from me beforehand so I could make sure I ordered the right product and got accurate measurements etc. Then afterward he sent me a corrected boom bracket for free, because I'd botched the boom trace the first time around. And it took a couple reminders but he did finally send me the cam cleat block specified in my original order, after my vang arrived without it (no extra charge for the cam cleat block, BTW). I've been pleased with the vang. The product is solid. The installation was straightforward, with good instructions. It does a great job of keeping the boom down. I wish I'd had it during that rescue last month - with my main flogging during all the action, I got into an attitude where the boom was raised up and trapped against the backstay, which shredded some lights I had running up the backstay, and I'm sure put an unexpected lateral load on the backstay. Before I had the vang installed, the owner of the local ASA school, Captain James Cook ( https://www.victoriasailingschool.com/index.php/home/ownership ) cruised past me on his J/30, with both of us on beam reach, and told me I was losing a third of my mainsail power off the wind without the vang. Now I've got all that power back, presumably, but I'm still not as fast as his J/30 :). It's not close-up, but you can see the vang in the last picture of https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ . And now I can get rid of the #@*&^%$ topping lift next time I go up the mast. So this one has a good ending. Garhauer did right by me, and thanks for the recommendation. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:08:28 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? As I said earlier, my boat is late, so the boom is a foot higher than yours, unless yours has been refitted. That said, the Garhauer spring loaded tube attaches at the base of the mast, just above the partners, there’s a fitted plate – and the same is true on the boom, it’s about 3 -4 feet aft of the mast. Garhauer will match the plate to the shape of your mast and boom, just send them a template, no charge. I attached the block for the adjuster (which is really a 6-1 vang) to the cabin top just behind the mast, then ran the line through a fairlead on the companionway hood to a line lock on the port side of the cabin top – I have moved a bunch of lines through organizers back to winches on both sides of the cabin top. There are four locks on the port side and three on the starboard. Guido at Garhauer can advise you on whether the angles are OK, just send him the measurements. Good luck, Gary #593 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stafford via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? Thank you Rick, Michael, Francois, and all - your advice is valuable. I appreciate the benefits of vangs from a few years of racing Capri 22s, J/22s, and Merit 25s. In addition to the adjustable backstays on those fractional rigs, we'd use the vang upwind in heavy air to help depower, and to play the traveler in puffs without sacrificing leech tension. And of course we'd use the vang off the wind to prevent boom rise. That is why I was alarmed when I first saw Kona (now Grenadine) without a vang, and I'm really grateful to be able to reach out to this mail list with the question. Those were all soft vangs - block and line arrangements. I like the idea of a rigid vang to replace the topping lift - it is a hassle. I'd always disconnect it underway so it wouldn't interfere with leech tension, and I did drop the boom on my daughter's head once when dousing the main :( And tensioning systems are a pain - you have to reach too high to raise the boom, in order to have enough range when slack to avoid interfering with leech tension. So, for those who have installed a Garhauer or Easy Kick 2, how and where do those systems fasten to the mast and boom? I'll measure the distance from gooseneck to mast collar to see what the angle would be and compare to the minimum for each rigid vang option - thanks for that tip Michael. Has anyone refitted a soft vang to an early 30-1? How and where did you attach the bales for the blocks to mast and boom? Thanks Again, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30 MK1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Rick Brass" < rickbr...@earthlink.net > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 6:53:45 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? Randy, I get the impression that the roller reefing boom was on a number of the early 70s C&C models, though whether standard or optional I don’t know. My 25 came with a roller reefing boom. It also had a soft vang. Part of the gear included a large yellow metal “hoop”, in the top of which was a narrow slot (sort of like a big “C” with a small opening) and on either side of the slot were 2 plastic rollers. The hoop went around the boom with the sail going up through the slot and the top of the soft vang attached at the bottom of the hoop. Never worked for crap. Which is probably why you don’t see roller reefing booms any more. I have gone to slab reefing and a rigid Garhauer vang on the 25. But I still keep the old “hoop” and the hand crank for the roller reefing on the boat as conversation pieces. Do you need a vang? Depends on how and where you sail and on personal preferences. Without a vang, the boom will rise and the leach of the main will twist off and spill wind when you are on any point of sail except close hauled. The tendency for the boom to rise can be controlled by mainsheet tension, but the more off the wind you are (reaching and running) the more rise you will get. The boom could be made of depleted uranium and would still not significantly stop the process. A vang, rigid or soft, controls the rise of the boom and allows you to tension the leach for optimum performance. A rigid vang or boom kicker will support the boom when the sail is lowered so you can do away with the constant irritations of the topping lift – getting tangled in the backstay, needing adjustment when you foot off, forgetting to retension when you drop sail and having the boom fall into the cockpit, yada yada. There was a discussion on the list a couple of weeks ago about the merits of various rigid vangs and the Boomkicker. You should search the list archives and read it. You would be surprised how many of us on the list have a Garhauer rigid vang. Rick Brass Imzadi C&C 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Randy Stafford via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? C&C Sailors- The C&C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang. Perhaps because its boom appears designed for furling the main by rolling it around the outside of the boom. Or perhaps because vangs were not standard equipment on 30-1s (I don't see vangs in the brochures). But in looking at comparables before buying my boat, I did see 30-1s on the market with bangs, boom kickers, etc. Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary to have a vang? Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom down? I'm worried about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs. On the other hand, I think it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end sheeting may help to keep it down. I'd be interested in your comments. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30 MK1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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