Boomkickers, in my experience installing, or helping install a few now, need 
some playing in the beginning to get the right diameter rods, the correct 
length, for the weight of the boom.  The only time I’ve had trouble is when it 
wasn’t installed correctly, by the above weight and length.  Then yes, they are 
a bugger to shape a sail under all points of sail, especially under light air 
conditions.  I can’t offer an opinion on Garhauer, but wouldn’t hesitate to go 
that right with any of their products based on testimony on the list.  Main 
point was, get something under the boom, instead of a cable connecting the back 
of the boom to the top of the mast!  It will be interesting to see if the 
“gnav” being used on some of the dinghies makes its way to bigger boats.

 

 

randy

Tamanawas

29-II

Hood River, OR

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 1:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III

 

I second Dennis' suggestion to get a Garhauer rigid vang. I did - and Guido at 
Garhauer had me send the profile of the mast and boom and they made pads to fit 
both. Six or eight screws for each. I drilled and tapped the mast and boom and 
screwed the pads in - done!

 

We have a boomkicker on the J-80 I race on and I am not thrilled. It does the 
job but seems to be more difficult to modulate how much tension you have. Just 
my opinion.

 

Gary

30-1

----- Original Message ----- 

From: randy <mailto:spins...@embarqmail.com>  

To: 'Peter Fell' <mailto:prf...@gmail.com>  ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:56 PM

Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III

 

Personally, I wouldn’t suggest that.  At least not if I’m picturing your 
picture correct.  Unless you unstep the mast, and take everything apart, 
wouldn’t you have to go all the way thru the cabin?  Most of us on the list 
like to over drill holes in the core, and fill w/ epoxy, then drill for the 
mounting.  If you just punch holes thru, I’d be concerned about eventual water 
intrusion thru the hole, which is undoubtedly solid something under the mast, 
but working its way to the core elsewhere.  Just my two cents.  Bails on masts 
are used for vangs all the time, especially on the smaller (no offense, me too! 
 ;-) ) boats.  But do also consider the addition of a rigid vang.  I love my 
boom kicker, fits in the mast track slot, and no topping lift!  Just my two 
cents.  There’s lots of opinions here, you get to choose!

 

 

randy

Tamanawas

29-II

Hood River, OR

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III

 

Lots of good ideas here. Thanks guys.

 

What about through-bolting an eye pad on the mast step bracket itself? I’d have 
to check the available space in there.

 

 

 

From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com 

Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:01 AM

To: CnC <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  

Subject: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III

 

+1

I've had a Garhauer rigid boom vang for about 10 years. Good price for a good 
chunk of stainless and a worthwhile upgrade. 

Also gets rid of the topping lift! 

sam :-) 

C&C 26 Liquorice 

Ghost Lake Alberta 


From: Dennis C.

Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:09 AM

To: Peter Fell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Reply To: Dennis C.

Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III

 

Peter,

A very good option would be install a hinged vang bracket near the bottom of 
your mast.  Garhauer makes these for their rigid boom vangs and will custom 
make one to fit your mast.  Their pricing is fairly reasonable.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

 

 


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From: Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:18 PM
Subject: Stus-List Boom Vang for C&C 27 Mk III

 

My C&C 27 has a mast-step that looks like this:

 

http://imageshack.us/a/img191/407/ubt7.jpg

 

The previous owner had attached the 4:1 purchase boom vang to the 45 degree 
side plate which has resulted in bending the side plate!

 

It was recommended to me to use a boom/mast bail bolted across the vertical 
portion of the mast-step bracket at the aft-most set of holes, with a bolt and 
filler ‘tube’ to avoid compressing the mast step bracket. Or to replace the aft 
mast-retention pin with the same set-up.

 

Dimensions of the mast step (‘vertical’ bracket) are:

 

Outside width = 5 inches

Inside width = 4-1/4 inches

Hole diameter = 7/8 inches

Pin diameter = 5/8 inches

 

2 problems I am finding:

 

1) I can’t find a 5-inch wide bail

2) The larger size bails I have found (maybe 4 inch wide is the largest I’ve 
seen?) use a smaller bolt than 5/8 inches and no meat to drill out the holes in 
them, so there would be a lot of ‘slop’ there.

 

I’m also concerned that if the boom vang can bend that mast-step side plate, 
what’s it going to do to a side-loaded bail and/or the vertical mast-step 
bracket?

 

So ... perhaps a mast tang / hound?  (much as I hate drilling holes in the mast 
... but multiple holes would spread the load).  I have read somewhere that part 
of the side of the standard C&C mast section is thicker which helps with this 
sort of thing? Can anyone verify? Sorry, didn’t measure the mast width. There’s 
also the sail track there that would complicate a tang / hound installation.

 

By the way, the previous owner also bent the heck out of the through-bolt on 
the boom bail. I’ve replaced that with a new SS bolt 

 

Thanks!


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