Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Mark Radabaugh]

The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original letter and 
could be used with notification to the other license holders in the state.  A 
condition of the grant was that you had to make your own application for the 
STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those applications, as best I can 
tell, are still working through the process with the FCC.

Yes, they are in use.

Mark

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
> 
> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the STA's 
> never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I was told 
> the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance by some 
> group. 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  > wrote:
> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, 
> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. Both 
> Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be from the 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Mike Meluskey]

And they are beautiful!
8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s

On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original 
letter and could be used with notification to the other license 
holders in the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to 
make your own application for the STA under the company name within 10 
days.   Those applications, as best I can tell, are still working 
through the process with the FCC.


Yes, they are in use.

Mark

On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:


Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears 
the STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on 
here. I was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of 
some resistance by some group.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev > wrote:
Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get 
an extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 
months, there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC 
commissioners. Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much 
interest there would be from the community. No promises, but how 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Mark Radabaugh]

Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more 
dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz 
channels. 

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
> 
> And they are beautiful!
> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
> 
> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> 
> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original letter 
> and could be used with notification to the other license holders in the 
> state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own 
> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those 
> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process with 
> the FCC.
> 
> Yes, they are in use.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > > wrote:
>> 
>> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the 
>> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I 
>> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance 
>> by some group. 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev > > wrote:
>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, 
>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. 
>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be from 
>> the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Steve Jones]

Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more
> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz
> channels.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>
> And they are beautiful!
> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>
> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original
> letter and could be used with notification to the other license holders in
> the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own
> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those
> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process
> with the FCC.
>
> Yes, they are in use.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
> by some group.
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>
>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
>> from the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Mark Radabaugh]

I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing] the 
shots” decides on when this is over.  

The bigger picture at play is this NPRM: 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf 


The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the land. 
  This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where the FCC 
gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they want to do 
anyway.

So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an industry 
can show it being used responsibly the better.

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more 
> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz 
> channels. 
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey > > wrote:
>> 
>> And they are beautiful!
>> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>> 
>> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> 
>> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original letter 
>> and could be used with notification to the other license holders in the 
>> state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own 
>> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those 
>> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process with 
>> the FCC.
>> 
>> Yes, they are in use.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the 
>>> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I 
>>> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance 
>>> by some group. 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev >> > wrote:
>>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
>>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, 
>>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. 
>>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Steve Jones]

I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences.
You're saying the oval office is involved in this?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing]
> the shots” decides on when this is over.
>
> The bigger picture at play is this NPRM:
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf
>
> The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the
> land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where
> the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they
> want to do anyway.
>
> So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an
> industry can show it being used responsibly the better.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more
>> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz
>> channels.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>>
>> And they are beautiful!
>> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>>
>> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>
>> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original
>> letter and could be used with notification to the other license holders in
>> the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own
>> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those
>> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process
>> with the FCC.
>>
>> Yes, they are in use.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
>> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
>> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
>> by some group.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>>
>>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
>>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
>>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
>>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Mark Radabaugh]

No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.   

Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an emergency 
near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position to request an 
extension based on conditions being unchanged from the emergency that prompted 
the STA in the first place.

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences. You're 
> saying the oval office is involved in this?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing] the 
> shots” decides on when this is over.  
> 
> The bigger picture at play is this NPRM: 
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf 
> 
> 
> The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the 
> land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where 
> the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they 
> want to do anyway.
> 
> So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an 
> industry can show it being used responsibly the better.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones > > wrote:
>> 
>> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh > > wrote:
>> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more 
>> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz 
>> channels. 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> And they are beautiful!
>>> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>>> 
>>> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>> 
>>> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original letter 
>>> and could be used with notification to the other license holders in the 
>>> state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own 
>>> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those 
>>> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process 
>>> with the FCC.
>>> 
>>> Yes, they are in use.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
 On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>> > wrote:
 
 Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the 
 STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I 
 was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some 
 resistance by some group. 
 
 On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev >>> > wrote:
 Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
 extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, 
 there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

So right now only the original WISPS that filed for the emergency use can
operate which we are one of those WISPS and we did file for the STA within
10 days and we did notify the other license holders in the state. Thanks
for clarifying Mark.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:41 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.
>
> Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an
> emergency near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position
> to request an extension based on conditions being unchanged from the
> emergency that prompted the STA in the first place.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences.
> You're saying the oval office is involved in this?
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing]
>> the shots” decides on when this is over.
>>
>> The bigger picture at play is this NPRM:
>> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf
>>
>> The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the
>> land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where
>> the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they
>> want to do anyway.
>>
>> So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an
>> industry can show it being used responsibly the better.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more
>>> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz
>>> channels.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>>>
>>> And they are beautiful!
>>> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>>>
>>> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>
>>> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original
>>> letter and could be used with notification to the other license holders in
>>> the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own
>>> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those
>>> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process
>>> with the FCC.
>>>
>>> Yes, they are in use.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
>>> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
>>> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
>>> by some group.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>>>
 Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
 extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
 there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Ken Hohhof]

Article singles out 3 major hotspots – Cook County jail in Chicago, USS 
Theodore Roosevelt, and … Sioux Falls, SD.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/south-dakotas-governor-resisted-ordering-people-to-stay-home-now-it-has-one-of-the-nations-largest-coronavirus-hot-spots/ar-BB12zTcc

 

Clearly no place is safe, but it will rip through any place where people are 
crowded together.

 

I also found interesting the report that the infection on the USS TR evidently 
came from a shore leave in Vietnam, and probably from socializing with some 
British sailors there not necessarily from the Vietnamese population.  Crazy 
stuff.  Docking in Vietnam and letting sailors go ashore is not looking like a 
genius decision given the timing.  I see they are keeping the USS Harry Truman 
at sea to keep Covid off the ship.

https://www.navytimes.com/2020/04/13/with-deployment-over-truman-carrier-strike-group-being-kept-at-sea-due-to-covid-19/

 

 

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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

It appears that the urban legend about urine being sterile has its roots in the 
1950s, Hilt says, when epidemiologist  

 Edward Kass was looking for a way to screen patients for urinary tract 
infections before surgery. Kass developed the midstream urine test (still used 
when you pee in a cup) and set a  
 numerical 
cutoff for the number of bacteria in normal urine: not more than 100,000 
colony-forming units (cell clusters on a culture dish) per milliliter of urine. 
A person tests “negative” for bacteria in their urine as long as the number of 
bacteria that grow in a lab dish containing the urine falls below this 
threshold. “It appears that the dogma that urine is sterile was an unintended 
consequence,” Hilt says.

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gory-details/urine-not-sterile-and-neither-rest-you

bp

 

On 4/13/2020 6:17 PM, Robert wrote:

Nope it's not, common error...

On 4/13/20 4:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I don't think you'd get covid from peeing in a common area as long as you're 
not doing all at the same time. Isn't urine supposed to be sterile?

 

bp

 

On 4/13/2020 11:37 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any work place.  Like an 
unmanned storage building doesn't need a bathroom, but if you added a workshop 
suddenly you did.  Not sure how to square that with the current situation.  If 
you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd probably go pee behind the building 
and hold #2 until I get home, but if everybody else did that then maybe that's 
the same as having a bathroom.  Maybe everybody can mark their own pee spot out 
back. 6 feet apart from each other of course :)

 

 

On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

So got an update 

Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.

IDPH hotline 18008893931 

option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms

Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes

 

If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more than 
a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test

 

 

The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office where a 
lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary 
test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes. This place had another positive last week supposedly. thankfully they 
are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.

 

Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not 
fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage and 
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for remote 
now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send the work 
truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an increase in 
vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his 
van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage where inventory 
will be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked at night.

 

Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and all 
that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.

 

I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as minimal 
contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they wont leave 
the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs and towers for a 
while if its reasonable weight.

 

Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some pauper 
approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the customer comes 
outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if customer wont stop 
a

[AFMUG] OT virus testing

[chuck]

>From Utah:

SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing a low demand 
for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t know why.

“That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to figure out,” said 
Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah Department of Health.

Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a smaller rise 
compared to the previous several days. The new cases bring the state’s tally up 
to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787 people tested.

An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday, according to the Utah 
Department of Health. The state is capable of administering up to 5,000 tests 
per day.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Robert]

I believe the new captain took over the TR in Vietnam, also, and the 
shore leave was approved by the prior captain who is now in charge, 
again and dealing with the results of his actions... Interesting...


On 4/14/20 8:06 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Article singles out 3 major hotspots – Cook County jail in Chicago, 
USS Theodore Roosevelt, and … Sioux Falls, SD.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/south-dakotas-governor-resisted-ordering-people-to-stay-home-now-it-has-one-of-the-nations-largest-coronavirus-hot-spots/ar-BB12zTcc

Clearly no place is safe, but it will rip through any place where 
people are crowded together.


I also found interesting the report that the infection on the USS TR 
evidently came from a shore leave in Vietnam, and probably from 
socializing with some British sailors there not necessarily from the 
Vietnamese population. Crazy stuff.  Docking in Vietnam and letting 
sailors go ashore is not looking like a genius decision given the 
timing.  I see they are keeping the USS Harry Truman at sea to keep 
Covid off the ship.


https://www.navytimes.com/2020/04/13/with-deployment-over-truman-carrier-strike-group-being-kept-at-sea-due-to-covid-19/

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 8:25 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

/It appears that the urban legend about urine being sterile has
its roots in the 1950s, Hilt says, when epidemiologist Edward Kass

//
 was
looking for a way to screen patients for urinary tract infections
before surgery. Kass developed the midstream urine test (still
used when you pee in a cup) and set a numerical cutoff
// for
the number of bacteria in normal urine: not more than 100,000
colony-forming units (cell clusters on a culture dish) per
milliliter of urine. A person tests “negative” for bacteria in
their urine as long as the number of bacteria that grow in a lab
dish containing the urine falls below this threshold. “It appears
that the dogma that urine is sterile was an unintended
consequence,” Hilt says./

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gory-details/urine-not-sterile-and-neither-rest-you

bp


On 4/13/2020 6:17 PM, Robert wrote:

Nope it's not, common error...

On 4/13/20 4:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I don't think you'd get covid from peeing in a common area as
long as you're not doing all at the same time. Isn't urine
supposed to be sterile?

bp



On 4/13/2020 11:37 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any
work place.  Like an unmanned storage building doesn't
need a bathroom, but if you added a workshop suddenly you
did.  Not sure how to square that with the current
situation.  If you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd
probably go pee behind the building and hold #2 until I
get home, but if everybody else did that then maybe that's
the same as having a bathroom.  Maybe everybody can mark
their own pee spot out back. 6 feet apart from each other
of course :)

On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

So got an update

Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.

IDPH hotline 18008893931

option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but
have no symptoms

Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6
feet for more than a few minutes

If there are no symptoms and there was not contact
within 6 feet for more than a few minutes an employer
CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test

The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He
works in a office where a lady tested positive, close
proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary
test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet
for more than a few minutes. This place had another
positive last week supposedly. thankfully they are
closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that
work there.

Given the issue, we are closing all our communal
areas, no coffee pot, not fridge, no restroom use.
Primary installer will operate out of the garage and
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area.
hes set up for remote now and will be on call when hes
not actively on jobs. We would send the work truck
home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already
seeing an increase in vehicular 

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Robert]

That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is the 
ability to perform such good testing...


On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

From Utah:
SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing a 
low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t know why.
“That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to figure 
out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah Department of 
Health.
Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a smaller 
rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases bring the 
state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787 people tested.
An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday, according to 
the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable of administering 
up to 5,000 tests per day.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The analogy I heard the other day went something like: "It seems
  that it's OK to pee in some parts of the pool."


bp



On 4/14/2020 8:06 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Article singles out 3 major hotspots – Cook
  County jail in Chicago, USS Theodore Roosevelt, and … Sioux
  Falls, SD.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/south-dakotas-governor-resisted-ordering-people-to-stay-home-now-it-has-one-of-the-nations-largest-coronavirus-hot-spots/ar-BB12zTcc
 
Clearly no place is safe, but it will rip
  through any place where people are crowded together.
 
I also found interesting the report that
  the infection on the USS TR evidently came from a shore leave
  in Vietnam, and probably from socializing with some British
  sailors there not necessarily from the Vietnamese population. 
  Crazy stuff.  Docking in Vietnam and letting sailors go ashore
  is not looking like a genius decision given the timing.  I see
  they are keeping the USS Harry Truman at sea to keep Covid off
  the ship.
https://www.navytimes.com/2020/04/13/with-deployment-over-truman-carrier-strike-group-being-kept-at-sea-due-to-covid-19/
 
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:25 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
  

 

  It
appears that the urban legend about urine being sterile
has its roots in the 1950s, Hilt says, when
epidemiologist Edward
  Kass was
looking for a way to screen patients for urinary tract
infections before surgery. Kass developed the midstream
urine test (still used when you pee in a cup) and set a numerical
  cutoff for
the number of bacteria in normal urine: not more than
100,000 colony-forming units (cell clusters on a culture
dish) per milliliter of urine. A person tests “negative”
for bacteria in their urine as long as the number of
bacteria that grow in a lab dish containing the urine
falls below this threshold. “It appears that the dogma
that urine is sterile was an unintended consequence,”
Hilt says.

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gory-details/urine-not-sterile-and-neither-rest-you
bp

 

  On 4/13/2020 6:17 PM, Robert wrote:


  Nope it's not, common error...
  
On 4/13/20 4:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
  
  
I don't think you'd get covid from peeing in a common
  area as long as you're not doing all at the same time.
  Isn't urine supposed to be sterile?
 
bp

 

  On 4/13/2020 11:37 AM, Adam Moffett
wrote:


  Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any
work place.  Like an unmanned storage building doesn't
need a bathroom, but if you added a workshop suddenly
you did.  Not sure how to square that with the current
situation.  If you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd
probably go pee behind the building and hold #2 until I
get home, but if everybody else did that then maybe
that's the same as having a bathroom.  Maybe everybody
can mark their own pee spot out back. 6 feet apart from
each other of course :)
   
   
  
On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:
  
  

  So got an update 
  
Anybody curious, this is for
  Illinois.
  
  
IDPH hotline 18008893931 
  
  
option 4 I was in contact with
  a positive case but have no symptoms
  
  
Continue normal activity if
  contact was not within 6 feet for more than a few
  minutes
  
  
 
  
  
If there are no symptoms
  and there was not contact within 6 feet for more
  than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate
  an 

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe Steve can send his tech to Utah for a test, since he apparently can’t get 
one locally unless he is obviously infected.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:32 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

 

That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is the ability to 
perform such good testing...

On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

>From Utah:

 

SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing a low demand 
for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t know why.

 

“That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to figure out,” said 
Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah Department of Health.

 

Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a smaller rise 
compared to the previous several days. The new cases bring the state’s tally up 
to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787 people tested.

 

An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday, according to the Utah 
Department of Health. The state is capable of administering up to 5,000 tests 
per day.

 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Steve Jones]

Oh, lol, I thought you were serious. that was a disaster. I like this
admin, but I wouldnt be surprised if they has stuck their fingers in this

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:41 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.
>
> Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an
> emergency near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position
> to request an extension based on conditions being unchanged from the
> emergency that prompted the STA in the first place.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences.
> You're saying the oval office is involved in this?
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing]
>> the shots” decides on when this is over.
>>
>> The bigger picture at play is this NPRM:
>> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf
>>
>> The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the
>> land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where
>> the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they
>> want to do anyway.
>>
>> So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an
>> industry can show it being used responsibly the better.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more
>>> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz
>>> channels.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>>>
>>> And they are beautiful!
>>> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>>>
>>> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>
>>> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original
>>> letter and could be used with notification to the other license holders in
>>> the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own
>>> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those
>>> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process
>>> with the FCC.
>>>
>>> Yes, they are in use.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
>>> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
>>> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
>>> by some group.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>>>
 Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
 extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
 there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
 Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Jaime Solorza]

Boom
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8214759/Cuomo-worst-continue-smart.html?ito=facebook_share_article-masthead


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> For a house, yes I would install the gas ones.
>
>
>
> Way back around 1965-1967 my family lived in Buenos Aires and the house we
> rented had the gas ones on the wall in each room that needed hot water.
> Pretty neat, you’d turn on the faucet and instantly the gas flame would
> come on, and you’d have not water in seconds.  Whereas in my current house
> with water heaters in the basement it takes way longer than that, plus
> you’re wasting water, and also gas or electricity keeping that 50 gallon
> tank of water hot all the time.
>
>
>
> But running a gas line and a vent for a gas water heater seems like too
> much work for just a hand washing station in the shop.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> My plumber says the large electric tankless aren't worth having. I have 2
> gas units in series at my house. They work together to sense demand and
> fire up when needed. We have the little tankless ones (3) at my shop and
> they work well.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM  wrote:
>
> On the smaller units, if you want hotter water your turn down the flow.
>
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:27 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> I was looking into tankless water heaters for some personal projects...
> electricity really doesn't get you much heat compared to gas options. At
> standard faucet flow rate (2GPM) the below would have a temperature rise of
> ~15-20 degrees F. Real heat requirements are more in the range of 240V 60A+.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM  wrote:
>
> 120 volts 30 amps $153
>
> Only needs 10 gauge wire.
>
>
> https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications
>
>
>
> You can do it Steve.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the
> smallest one I have ever seen.  240 volts 15 amps.
>
>
> https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
> $145 40 amps.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty
> circuit.  I see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be
> adequate for a single sink.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water
> heater for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever,
> not sure why they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for
> washing the bird poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.
>
>
>
> For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the
> foaming hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d
> still wash my hands.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered
> equipment will be placed in quarantine.
>
>
>
> I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose
> is to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work,
> grab gear, grab van and go.
>
>
>
> We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can
> wash in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water
> because there is so little use and our facility is so large the old
> plumbing will destroy a standard hot water heater in short time.Its a
> constant battle keeping the urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom
> with hot water near the living quarters, but it requires traversing the
> whole place)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom
> at a fast food place anymore.
>
>
>
> Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and
> paper towels?  I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against
> contracting or

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Steve Jones]

I love this, we house cook county overflow in our jail. We are the trashcan
of the big cities, its great

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:07 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Article singles out 3 major hotspots – Cook County jail in Chicago, USS
> Theodore Roosevelt, and … Sioux Falls, SD.
>
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/south-dakotas-governor-resisted-ordering-people-to-stay-home-now-it-has-one-of-the-nations-largest-coronavirus-hot-spots/ar-BB12zTcc
>
>
>
> Clearly no place is safe, but it will rip through any place where people
> are crowded together.
>
>
>
> I also found interesting the report that the infection on the USS TR
> evidently came from a shore leave in Vietnam, and probably from socializing
> with some British sailors there not necessarily from the Vietnamese
> population.  Crazy stuff.  Docking in Vietnam and letting sailors go ashore
> is not looking like a genius decision given the timing.  I see they are
> keeping the USS Harry Truman at sea to keep Covid off the ship.
>
>
> https://www.navytimes.com/2020/04/13/with-deployment-over-truman-carrier-strike-group-being-kept-at-sea-due-to-covid-19/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 8:25 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> *It appears that the urban legend about urine being sterile has its roots
> in the 1950s, Hilt says, when epidemiologist Edward Kass
> **
>  was
> looking for a way to screen patients for urinary tract infections before
> surgery. Kass developed the midstream urine test (still used when you pee
> in a cup) and set a numerical cutoff
> ** for
> the number of bacteria in normal urine: not more than 100,000
> colony-forming units (cell clusters on a culture dish) per milliliter of
> urine. A person tests “negative” for bacteria in their urine as long as the
> number of bacteria that grow in a lab dish containing the urine falls below
> this threshold. “It appears that the dogma that urine is sterile was an
> unintended consequence,” Hilt says.*
>
>
> https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gory-details/urine-not-sterile-and-neither-rest-you
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/13/2020 6:17 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> Nope it's not, common error...
>
> On 4/13/20 4:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> I don't think you'd get covid from peeing in a common area as long as
> you're not doing all at the same time. Isn't urine supposed to be sterile?
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/13/2020 11:37 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any work place.  Like
> an unmanned storage building doesn't need a bathroom, but if you added a
> workshop suddenly you did.  Not sure how to square that with the current
> situation.  If you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd probably go pee
> behind the building and hold #2 until I get home, but if everybody else did
> that then maybe that's the same as having a bathroom.  Maybe everybody can
> mark their own pee spot out back. 6 feet apart from each other of course :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> So got an update
>
> Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
>
> IDPH hotline 18008893931
>
> option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms
>
> Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a
> few minutes
>
>
>
> If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more
> than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test
>
>
>
>
>
> The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office
> where a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic
> precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for
> more than a few minutes. This place had another positive last week
> supposedly. thankfully they are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding
> people that work there.
>
>
>
> Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not
> fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage
> and only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for
> remote now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send
> the work truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing
> an increase in vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will
> be remote with his van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the
> garage where inventory will be available for resupply. It will be lysol
> stocked at night.
>
>
>
> Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and
> all that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.
>
>
>
> I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as
> minimal contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they
> wont leave the vehicle

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Steve Jones]

not really a boom moment, when theyre doing exactly what theyre told.
Sometimes in life Ive found the most effective way to get people to do what
you want them to do is tell them what to do then let them think it was
their idea. holds the added benefit of them having the responsibility fr
the consequences of doing your bidding

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:54 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Boom
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8214759/Cuomo-worst-continue-smart.html?ito=facebook_share_article-masthead
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> For a house, yes I would install the gas ones.
>>
>>
>>
>> Way back around 1965-1967 my family lived in Buenos Aires and the house
>> we rented had the gas ones on the wall in each room that needed hot water.
>> Pretty neat, you’d turn on the faucet and instantly the gas flame would
>> come on, and you’d have not water in seconds.  Whereas in my current house
>> with water heaters in the basement it takes way longer than that, plus
>> you’re wasting water, and also gas or electricity keeping that 50 gallon
>> tank of water hot all the time.
>>
>>
>>
>> But running a gas line and a vent for a gas water heater seems like too
>> much work for just a hand washing station in the shop.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 3:48 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> My plumber says the large electric tankless aren't worth having. I have 2
>> gas units in series at my house. They work together to sense demand and
>> fire up when needed. We have the little tankless ones (3) at my shop and
>> they work well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM  wrote:
>>
>> On the smaller units, if you want hotter water your turn down the flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:27 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> I was looking into tankless water heaters for some personal projects...
>> electricity really doesn't get you much heat compared to gas options. At
>> standard faucet flow rate (2GPM) the below would have a temperature rise of
>> ~15-20 degrees F. Real heat requirements are more in the range of 240V 60A+.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM  wrote:
>>
>> 120 volts 30 amps $153
>>
>> Only needs 10 gauge wire.
>>
>>
>> https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications
>>
>>
>>
>> You can do it Steve.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the
>> smallest one I have ever seen.  240 volts 15 amps.
>>
>>
>> https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
>> $145 40 amps.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty
>> circuit.  I see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be
>> adequate for a single sink.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> They are cheap and easy.  The electric ones.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water
>> heater for the garage sink.  The rest of the world has used them forever,
>> not sure why they have only recently become popular here.  Even just for
>> washing the bird poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory.  I like the
>> foaming hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d
>> still wash my hands.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>>
>>
>>
>> Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered
>> equipment will be placed in quarantine.
>>
>>
>>
>> I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the
>> purpose is to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to
>> work, grab gear, grab van and go.
>>
>>
>>
>> We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can
>> wash in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water
>> because there is so little use and our facility is so large the old
>> p

Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Ken Hohhof]

Good analogy.

 

There’s also the old saying “your personal liberty to swing your arm ends where 
my nose begins”.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

The analogy I heard the other day went something like: "It seems that it's OK 
to pee in some parts of the pool."

 

bp

 

On 4/14/2020 8:06 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Article singles out 3 major hotspots – Cook County jail in Chicago, USS 
Theodore Roosevelt, and … Sioux Falls, SD.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/south-dakotas-governor-resisted-ordering-people-to-stay-home-now-it-has-one-of-the-nations-largest-coronavirus-hot-spots/ar-BB12zTcc

 

Clearly no place is safe, but it will rip through any place where people are 
crowded together.

 

I also found interesting the report that the infection on the USS TR evidently 
came from a shore leave in Vietnam, and probably from socializing with some 
British sailors there not necessarily from the Vietnamese population.  Crazy 
stuff.  Docking in Vietnam and letting sailors go ashore is not looking like a 
genius decision given the timing.  I see they are keeping the USS Harry Truman 
at sea to keep Covid off the ship.

https://www.navytimes.com/2020/04/13/with-deployment-over-truman-carrier-strike-group-being-kept-at-sea-due-to-covid-19/

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

 

It appears that the urban legend about urine being sterile has its roots in the 
1950s, Hilt says, when epidemiologist  

 Edward Kass was looking for a way to screen patients for urinary tract 
infections before surgery. Kass developed the midstream urine test (still used 
when you pee in a cup) and set a  
 numerical 
cutoff for the number of bacteria in normal urine: not more than 100,000 
colony-forming units (cell clusters on a culture dish) per milliliter of urine. 
A person tests “negative” for bacteria in their urine as long as the number of 
bacteria that grow in a lab dish containing the urine falls below this 
threshold. “It appears that the dogma that urine is sterile was an unintended 
consequence,” Hilt says.

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gory-details/urine-not-sterile-and-neither-rest-you

bp

 

On 4/13/2020 6:17 PM, Robert wrote:

Nope it's not, common error...

On 4/13/20 4:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I don't think you'd get covid from peeing in a common area as long as you're 
not doing all at the same time. Isn't urine supposed to be sterile?

 

bp

 

On 4/13/2020 11:37 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Building code in this locality requires a toilet in any work place.  Like an 
unmanned storage building doesn't need a bathroom, but if you added a workshop 
suddenly you did.  Not sure how to square that with the current situation.  If 
you gave me a "no restroom use" rule I'd probably go pee behind the building 
and hold #2 until I get home, but if everybody else did that then maybe that's 
the same as having a bathroom.  Maybe everybody can mark their own pee spot out 
back. 6 feet apart from each other of course :)

 

 

On 4/13/2020 2:01 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

So got an update 

Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.

IDPH hotline 18008893931 

option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms

Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes

 

If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more than 
a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test

 

 

The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office where a 
lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic precautionary 
test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for more than a few 
minutes. This place had another positive last week supposedly. thankfully they 
are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work there.

 

Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, not 
fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage and 
only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for remote 
now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send the work 
truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an increase in 
vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be remote with his 
van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage where inventory 
will be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked at night.

 

Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and all 
that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.

 

I will have techs meet

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Robert]

At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States 
instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's excess 
capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...    Seems a 
waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe relax the 
restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what the 
asymptomatic case profile looks like...


On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is the 
ability to perform such good testing...


On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

From Utah:
SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing a 
low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t know why.
“That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to figure 
out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah Department 
of Health.
Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a 
smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases 
bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787 
people tested.
An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday, according 
to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable of 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Ken Hohhof]

Not good when you proudly compare yourself to Captain Bligh.  At least he 
didn’t choose Captain Queeg.  I was thinking it was his Alexander Haig moment, 
but Haig kind of got a raw deal, that was just a PR blunder and not a power 
grab IMHO.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

 

Oh, lol, I thought you were serious. that was a disaster. I like this admin, 
but I wouldnt be surprised if they has stuck their fingers in this

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:41 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.   

 

Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an emergency 
near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position to request an 
extension based on conditions being unchanged from the emergency that prompted 
the STA in the first place.

 

Mark





On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences. You're 
saying the oval office is involved in this?

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing] the 
shots” decides on when this is over.  

 

The bigger picture at play is this NPRM: 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf

 

The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the land. 
  This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where the FCC 
gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they want to do 
anyway.

 

So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an industry 
can show it being used responsibly the better.

 

Mark





On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more 
dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz 
channels. 

 

Mark





On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey mailto:m...@broadband.vi> > wrote:

 

And they are beautiful!
8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s

On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original letter and 
could be used with notification to the other license holders in the state.  A 
condition of the grant was that you had to make your own application for the 
STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those applications, as best I can 
tell, are still working through the process with the FCC.

 

Yes, they are in use.

 

Mark





On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the STA's 
never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I was told 
the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance by some 
group. 

 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote:

Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, there 
seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. Both 
Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be from the 
community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Steve Jones]

you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every state
demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or not.
The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its literally the
governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has people in place
to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  wrote:

> At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States instead
> of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's excess capacity to
> help out elsewhere while they don't need it...Seems a waste to not use
> that capacity while it's there.   Maybe relax the restrictions and chase
> down contacts and test to see what the asymptomatic case profile looks
> like...
>
> On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>
> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is the
> ability to perform such good testing...
>
> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> From Utah:
>
> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing a low
> demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t know why.
>
> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to figure out,”
> said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah Department of Health.
>
> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a smaller
> rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases bring the state’s
> tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787 people tested.
>
> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday, according to the
> Utah Department of Health. The state is capable of administering up to
> 5,000 tests per day.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Robert Andrews]

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like 
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but 
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have 
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to 
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national 
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is 
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had 
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC 
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you 
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely 
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_ 
national preparedness?


On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every 
state demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need 
them or not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. 
its literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he 
has people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the 
chain



On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert > wrote:


At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...   
Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe

relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
the asymptomatic case profile looks like...

On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:

That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
the ability to perform such good testing...

On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

From Utah:
SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
know why.
“That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
Department of Health.
Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
people tested.
An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.






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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[chuck]

Lent

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every state 
demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or 
not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its 
literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has 
people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain



On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert > wrote:


At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it... 
Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe

relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
the asymptomatic case profile looks like...

On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:

That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
the ability to perform such good testing...

On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

From Utah:
SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
know why.
“That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
Department of Health.
Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
people tested.
An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.






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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Carl Peterson]

IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking
lent.

Stock markets going to crash ... lent
Hurricane response ... lent
National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to
talk about them without getting all melty about it.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:

> Lent
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
> national preparedness?
>
> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every
> state
> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has
> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  > > wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
> > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
> >
> > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
> >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
> >> the ability to perform such good testing...
> >>
> >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
> >>> From Utah:
> >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
> >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
> >>> know why.
> >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
> >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
> >>> Department of Health.
> >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
> >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
> >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
> >>> people tested.
> >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
> >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
> >>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Robert Andrews]

I have to agree with Chuck, it is a WISP centric list and we devolve 
into some pretty nasty talk without constraints...  BTDT...


On 04/14/2020 11:08 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without 
breaking lent.


Stock markets going to crash ... lent
Hurricane response ... lent
National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able 
to talk about them without getting all melty about it.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM > wrote:


Lent

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators,
every state
 > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need
them or
 > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
 > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure
he has
 > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up
the chain
 >
 >
 > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
 > >>
wrote:
 >
 > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
 > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
 > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need
it...
 > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
 > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to
see what
 > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
 >
 > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
 >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
 >> the ability to perform such good testing...
 >>
 >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
> wrote:
 >>> From Utah:
 >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re
seeing
 >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
 >>> know why.
 >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
 >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
 >>> Department of Health.
 >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
 >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new
cases
 >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of
45,787
 >>> people tested.
 >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
 >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is
capable
 >>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
 >>>
 >>
 >>
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[AFMUG] Edge Router Options

[Gilbert Gutierrez]

I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two
CCR1072-1G-8s+ routers and have had stability problems with random reboots
over the last year of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80
platform but do not know anything about their licensing (looking at used
ones that I can get for about $5k). I also do not know what other options
are out there.

I am needing 10G ports
Support for OSPF
Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
MPLS would be nice
Support VLANs
Support for various MTU sizes

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Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

[Josh Baird]

I wouldn't consider MX80 for new deployments.  It's RE is ancient at this
point, and it's pretty slow.

For new Juniper deployments, I would look at the MX204.  If you are on a
budget, consider a MX104, but it has the same slow PPC-based RE as the
MX80, and I would try to avoid it if possible.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:15 PM Gilbert Gutierrez <
mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:

> I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two
> CCR1072-1G-8s+ routers and have had stability problems with random reboots
> over the last year of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80
> platform but do not know anything about their licensing (looking at used
> ones that I can get for about $5k). I also do not know what other options
> are out there.
>
> I am needing 10G ports
> Support for OSPF
> Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
> MPLS would be nice
> Support VLANs
> Support for various MTU sizes
>
> Thank you,
> Gilbert
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Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

[Josh Luthman]

What about Mikrotik on x86?  Software you're familiar with and a platform
that's proven.

Josh Luthman
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:15 PM Gilbert Gutierrez <
mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:

> I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two
> CCR1072-1G-8s+ routers and have had stability problems with random reboots
> over the last year of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80
> platform but do not know anything about their licensing (looking at used
> ones that I can get for about $5k). I also do not know what other options
> are out there.
>
> I am needing 10G ports
> Support for OSPF
> Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
> MPLS would be nice
> Support VLANs
> Support for various MTU sizes
>
> Thank you,
> Gilbert
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Steve Jones]

were you here when i broke afmug?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking
> lent.
>
> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
> Hurricane response ... lent
> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
>
> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to
> talk about them without getting all melty about it.
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:
>
>> Lent
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>
>> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
>> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
>> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
>> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
>> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
>> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
>> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
>> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
>> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
>> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
>> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
>> national preparedness?
>>
>> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every
>> state
>> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
>> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
>> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he
>> has
>> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the
>> chain
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
>> > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
>> > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
>> > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
>> > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
>> > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>> >
>> > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>> >> the ability to perform such good testing...
>> >>
>> >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> wrote:
>> >>> From Utah:
>> >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>> >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
>> >>> know why.
>> >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>> >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
>> >>> Department of Health.
>> >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
>> >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
>> >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
>> >>> people tested.
>> >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
>> >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
>> >>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

[Josh Baird]

You mean CHR?  Don't think I would deploy Mikrotik on X86 either.  All
driver development is focused on CHR.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:20 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> What about Mikrotik on x86?  Software you're familiar with and a platform
> that's proven.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:15 PM Gilbert Gutierrez <
> mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two
>> CCR1072-1G-8s+ routers and have had stability problems with random reboots
>> over the last year of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80
>> platform but do not know anything about their licensing (looking at used
>> ones that I can get for about $5k). I also do not know what other options
>> are out there.
>>
>> I am needing 10G ports
>> Support for OSPF
>> Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
>> MPLS would be nice
>> Support VLANs
>> Support for various MTU sizes
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Gilbert
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Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

[TJ Trout]

We are doing a CHR on PVE using x86 servers, not implemented yet but we are
in the same boat.



On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:22 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> You mean CHR?  Don't think I would deploy Mikrotik on X86 either.  All
> driver development is focused on CHR.
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:20 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> What about Mikrotik on x86?  Software you're familiar with and a platform
>> that's proven.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:15 PM Gilbert Gutierrez <
>> mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two
>>> CCR1072-1G-8s+ routers and have had stability problems with random reboots
>>> over the last year of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80
>>> platform but do not know anything about their licensing (looking at used
>>> ones that I can get for about $5k). I also do not know what other options
>>> are out there.
>>>
>>> I am needing 10G ports
>>> Support for OSPF
>>> Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
>>> MPLS would be nice
>>> Support VLANs
>>> Support for various MTU sizes
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Gilbert
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[James Howard]

You’re claiming all the credit for that?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

were you here when i broke afmug?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking lent.

Stock markets going to crash ... lent
Hurricane response ... lent
National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to talk 
about them without getting all melty about it.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
Lent

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every state
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
> not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
> literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has
> people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert 
> mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
> Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>
> On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>
>> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> From Utah:
>>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
>>> know why.
>>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
>>> Department of Health.
>>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
>>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
>>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
>>> people tested.
>>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
>>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
>>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[chuck]

We can always talk about lunch.

If you want political discourse there are FB pages that will be happy to 
host the comments.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

I have to agree with Chuck, it is a WISP centric list and we devolve
into some pretty nasty talk without constraints...  BTDT...

On 04/14/2020 11:08 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking 
lent.


Stock markets going to crash ... lent
Hurricane response ... lent
National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to 
talk about them without getting all melty about it.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM > wrote:


Lent

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should 
have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available 
to

nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states 
had

to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, 
you

are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators,
every state
 > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need
them or
 > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
 > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure
he has
 > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up
the chain
 >
 >
 > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
 > >>
wrote:
 >
 > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United 
States

 > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
 > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need
it...
 > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
 > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to
see what
 > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
 >
 > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
 >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting 
is

 >> the ability to perform such good testing...
 >>
 >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
> wrote:
 >>> From Utah:
 >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re
seeing
 >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
 >>> know why.
 >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
 >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the 
Utah

 >>> Department of Health.
 >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — 
a

 >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new
cases
 >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of
45,787
 >>> people tested.
 >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
 >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is
capable
 >>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
 >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[chuck]

Actually I am assigning all the blame to Steve for that...

From: James Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You’re claiming all the credit for that?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

 

were you here when i broke afmug?

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking 
lent.  

   

  Stock markets going to crash ... lent

  Hurricane response ... lent

  National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent  

   

  Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to 
talk about them without getting all melty about it.   

   

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:

Lent

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every 
state 
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or 
> not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its 
> literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has 
> people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  > wrote:
>
> At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it... 
> Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>
> On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>
>> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>>> From Utah:
>>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
>>> know why.
>>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
>>> Department of Health.
>>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
>>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
>>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
>>> people tested.
>>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
>>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
>>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Carl Peterson]

Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously it is Chuck's list and
Chuck's rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve) and
avoiding politics while still discussing the real world.  As of late it
seems that everything has been politicised and to continue lent really
limits discussion.  Before you know it we won't be able to talk about
Tecate because it comes from Mexico or Fries because they are French.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> were you here when i broke afmug?
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without
>> breaking lent.
>>
>> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
>> Hurricane response ... lent
>> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
>>
>> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to
>> talk about them without getting all melty about it.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Lent
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>>
>>> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
>>> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
>>> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
>>> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
>>> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
>>> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
>>> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
>>> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
>>> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
>>> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
>>> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
>>> national preparedness?
>>>
>>> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every
>>> state
>>> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
>>> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
>>> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he
>>> has
>>> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the
>>> chain
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
>>> > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
>>> > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
>>> > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
>>> > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
>>> > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>>> >
>>> > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>>> >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>>> >> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>> >>
>>> >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> From Utah:
>>> >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>>> >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
>>> >>> know why.
>>> >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>>> >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
>>> >>> Department of Health.
>>> >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
>>> >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
>>> >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
>>> >>> people tested.
>>> >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
>>> >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
>>> >>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

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I would suggest looking seriously at the MX204 platform.   New with licensing 
it’s under 20k (negotiate hard and you can get it closer to 15k). Very 
powerful without the power, space, and line card expense of the MX80.   The 
only real drawback to them is they are a single routing engine rather than 
dual.  Having said that I can’t recall any time that we have had a routing 
engine fail on a MX series router.   Used to happen all the time on our Cisco 
7500’s - but we are talking ancient history there.

We run a pair of MX204’s now, though we used a single one for a long time.

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Gilbert Gutierrez 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two CCR1072-1G-8s+ 
> routers and have had stability problems with random reboots over the last 
> year of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80 platform but do not 
> know anything about their licensing (looking at used ones that I can get for 
> about $5k). I also do not know what other options are out there.
> 
> I am needing 10G ports
> Support for OSPF
> Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
> MPLS would be nice
> Support VLANs
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[Steve Jones]

i blame jaime

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard  wrote:

> You’re claiming all the credit for that?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
>
>
> were you here when i broke afmug?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking
> lent.
>
>
>
> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
>
> Hurricane response ... lent
>
> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
>
>
>
> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to
> talk about them without getting all melty about it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:
>
> Lent
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
> national preparedness?
>
> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every
> state
> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has
> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  > > wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
> > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
> >
> > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
> >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
> >> the ability to perform such good testing...
> >>
> >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
> >>> From Utah:
> >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
> >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
> >>> know why.
> >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
> >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
> >>> Department of Health.
> >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
> >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
> >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
> >>> people tested.
> >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
> >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
> >>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

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Hum… we must have been typing that at the same time.

I will second the ’slow’ comment on the routing engine on the MX80 platform - 
you will not enjoy the convergence time with that RE unless you are taking very 
few routes.

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't consider MX80 for new deployments.  It's RE is ancient at this 
> point, and it's pretty slow.
> 
> For new Juniper deployments, I would look at the MX204.  If you are on a 
> budget, consider a MX104, but it has the same slow PPC-based RE as the MX80, 
> and I would try to avoid it if possible.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:15 PM Gilbert Gutierrez 
> mailto:mailing-li...@phxinternet.com>> wrote:
> I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two CCR1072-1G-8s+ 
> routers and have had stability problems with random reboots over the last 
> year of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80 platform but do not 
> know anything about their licensing (looking at used ones that I can get for 
> about $5k). I also do not know what other options are out there.
> 
> I am needing 10G ports
> Support for OSPF
> Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
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[James Howard]

Unfortunately Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of thought it 
was a group effort though.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

i blame jaime

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You’re claiming all the credit for that?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

were you here when i broke afmug?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking lent.

Stock markets going to crash ... lent
Hurricane response ... lent
National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to talk 
about them without getting all melty about it.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
Lent

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every state
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
> not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
> literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has
> people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert 
> mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
> Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>
> On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>
>> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> From Utah:
>>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
>>> know why.
>>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
>>> Department of Health.
>>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
>>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
>>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
>>> people tested.
>>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
>>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
>>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
>>>
>>
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[Bill Prince]

Lunch is good, but FB is a cesspool.


bp


On 4/14/2020 11:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

We can always talk about lunch.

If you want political discourse there are FB pages that will be happy 
to host the comments.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

I have to agree with Chuck, it is a WISP centric list and we devolve
into some pretty nasty talk without constraints...  BTDT...

On 04/14/2020 11:08 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without 
breaking lent.


Stock markets going to crash ... lent
Hurricane response ... lent
National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be 
able to talk about them without getting all melty about it.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM > wrote:


    Lent

    -Original Message-
    From: Robert Andrews
    Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
    To: af@af.afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

    You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be 
like

    every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally. Sorry but
    United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They 
should have
    set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't 
available to

    nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
    level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this 
and is
    become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the 
states had
    to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The 
CDC
    had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   
Steve, you

    are about to have the worst of the worst in your location. I surely
    hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
    national preparedness?

    On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators,
    every state
 > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need
    them or
 > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. 
its

 > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure
    he has
 > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up
    the chain
 >
 >
 > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
 > >>
    wrote:
 >
 > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United 
States
 > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of 
it's

 > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need
    it...
 > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
 > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to
    see what
 > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
 >
 > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
 >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way 
interesting is

 >> the ability to perform such good testing...
 >>
 >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
    > wrote:
 >>> From Utah:
 >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re
    seeing
 >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and 
they don’t

 >>> know why.
 >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
 >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with 
the Utah

 >>> Department of Health.
 >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on 
Monday — a

 >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new
    cases
 >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of
    45,787
 >>> people tested.
 >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
 >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is
    capable
 >>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
 >>>
 >>
 >>
 >
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Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

[Gilbert Gutierrez]

I will look into the MX204. Do you have a recommended reseller? I used to
have issues with the old 7200vxr multiservice platform running ATM
circuits. I don't remember as many issues with the old 7500 series boxes.
They did like power though.

Gilbert

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:30 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> I would suggest looking seriously at the MX204 platform.   New with
> licensing it’s under 20k (negotiate hard and you can get it closer to
> 15k). Very powerful without the power, space, and line card expense of
> the MX80.   The only real drawback to them is they are a single routing
> engine rather than dual.  Having said that I can’t recall any time that we
> have had a routing engine fail on a MX series router.   Used to happen all
> the time on our Cisco 7500’s - but we are talking ancient history there.
>
> We run a pair of MX204’s now, though we used a single one for a long time.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Gilbert Gutierrez <
> mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two
> CCR1072-1G-8s+ routers and have had stability problems with random reboots
> over the last year of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80
> platform but do not know anything about their licensing (looking at used
> ones that I can get for about $5k). I also do not know what other options
> are out there.
> >
> > I am needing 10G ports
> > Support for OSPF
> > Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
> > MPLS would be nice
> > Support VLANs
> > Support for various MTU sizes
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Gilbert
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The "OT:" prefix should be enough, but perhaps we could make a
  "LENT:" prefix for the really OT OT subjects.


bp



On 4/14/2020 11:30 AM, Carl Peterson
  wrote:


  
  
Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously
  it is Chuck's list and Chuck's rules but I'd argue for being
  adults about it (Sorry Steve) and avoiding politics while
  still discussing the real world.  As of late it seems that
  everything has been politicised and to continue lent really
  limits discussion.  Before you know it we won't be able to
  talk about Tecate because it comes from Mexico or Fries
  because they are French.  




  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19
PM Steve Jones 
wrote:
  
  
were you here when i broke afmug?


  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at
1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:
  
  
IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't
  talk about anything without breaking lent.  
  
  
  Stock markets going to crash ... lent
  Hurricane response ... lent
  National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent  
  
  
  Facts still matter, or at least I think they do,
and we should be able to talk about them without
getting all melty about it.   



  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020
at 12:52 PM 
wrote:
  
  Lent

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree. 
 That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs
internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national
level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what
wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this,
nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke
through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits
that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they
didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a
year ago.   Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your
location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice
to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> you saw what happened with the "united states"
on ventilators, every state 
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator
whether they need them or 
> not. The feds need to stay completely out of
the testing game. its 
> literally the governor of each states
responsibility to make sure he has 
> people in place to make sure systems operate
and communicate up the chain
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  i...@avantwireless.com>>
wrote:
>
>     At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we
were the United States
>     instead of the Competing States and Utah
could use some of it's
>     excess capacity to help out elsewhere while
they don't need it... 
> Seems a waste to not use that capacity while
it's there.   Maybe
>     relax the restrictions and chase down
contacts and test to see what
>     the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[chuck]

I can name names of people that are at the polar extremes of political opinion 
here.
If one posts, then the opposite end feels a need to post and then it is never 
ending.  
You are right that there is no clean delineation between the world and the 
world of politics.
My facts are tinfoil delusions to you.   So we attempt to practice kindness.

Similar to invoking godwin, we invoke Lent at times.

Just reminds us all that our opinions are very likely odious to someone else, 
so let’s not stink up the place.  
We have been pretty good at self policing, but calling us adults?  Come on man, 
that is a stretch.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously it is Chuck's list and Chuck's 
rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve) and avoiding 
politics while still discussing the real world.  As of late it seems that 
everything has been politicised and to continue lent really limits discussion.  
Before you know it we won't be able to talk about Tecate because it comes from 
Mexico or Fries because they are French.  


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  were you here when i broke afmug?

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking 
lent.   

Stock markets going to crash ... lent
Hurricane response ... lent
National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent  

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to 
talk about them without getting all melty about it.   

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:

  Lent

  -Original Message- 
  From: Robert Andrews
  Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

  You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
  every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
  United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
  set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
  nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
  level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
  become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
  to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
  had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
  are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
  hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
  national preparedness?

  On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every 
state 
  > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or 
  > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its 
  > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he 
has 
  > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the 
chain
  >
  >
  > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  > wrote:
  >
  > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
  > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
  > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it... 
  > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
  > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
  > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
  >
  > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
  >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
  >> the ability to perform such good testing...
  >>
  >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
  >>> From Utah:
  >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
  >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
  >>> know why.
  >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
  >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
  >>> Department of Health.
  >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
  >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
  >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
  >>> people tested.
  >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
  >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
  >>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
  >>>
  >>
  >>
  >
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Steve Jones]

everybodys always like "be an adult this" and "be an adult that" and here I
am, innocently day drinking. next thing you know, some bully is coming up
saying, lent this, lent that. I dont even know any more, i just dont know

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Lunch is good, but FB is a cesspool.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/14/2020 11:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > We can always talk about lunch.
> >
> > If you want political discourse there are FB pages that will be happy
> > to host the comments.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:12 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
> >
> > I have to agree with Chuck, it is a WISP centric list and we devolve
> > into some pretty nasty talk without constraints...  BTDT...
> >
> > On 04/14/2020 11:08 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> >> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without
> >> breaking lent.
> >>
> >> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
> >> Hurricane response ... lent
> >> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
> >>
> >> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be
> >> able to talk about them without getting all melty about it.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Lent
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Robert Andrews
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
> >>
> >> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be
> >> like
> >> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally. Sorry but
> >> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They
> >> should have
> >> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't
> >> available to
> >> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
> >> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this
> >> and is
> >> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the
> >> states had
> >> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The
> >> CDC
> >> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.
> >> Steve, you
> >> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location. I surely
> >> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
> >> national preparedness?
> >>
> >> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>  > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators,
> >> every state
> >>  > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need
> >> them or
> >>  > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game.
> >> its
> >>  > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure
> >> he has
> >>  > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up
> >> the chain
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  >> 
> >>  > >>
> >> wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United
> >> States
> >>  > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of
> >> it's
> >>  > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need
> >> it...
> >>  > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> >>  > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to
> >> see what
> >>  > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
> >>  >
> >>  > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
> >>  >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way
> >> interesting is
> >>  >> the ability to perform such good testing...
> >>  >>
> >>  >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  >
> >> > wrote:
> >>  >>> From Utah:
> >>  >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re
> >> seeing
> >>  >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and
> >> they don’t
> >>  >>> know why.
> >>  >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
> >>  >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with
> >> the Utah
> >>  >>> Department of Health.
> >>  >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on
> >> Monday — a
> >>  >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new
> >> cases
> >>  >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of
> >> 45,787
> >>  >>> people tested.
> >>  >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
> >>  >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The s

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[James Howard]

There are obviously some pretty strong opinions held by a number of people here 
about politics.  It is hard to resist responding to some of the statements that 
are very much the opposite of your own view.  That clearly is the case for both 
sides.  I imagine the people who tend to straddle the fence probably wonder why 
it’s such a hot-button thing for some.

In any case though, it’s just a good thing that Jaime’s Mexican beer of choice 
isn’t Corona or we’d really be in trouble……..  (I’ve gotta say that of all the 
Mexican beers I’ve had I do prefer Tecate to the others….  Only had 5 or 6 
different brands though)



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously it is Chuck's list and Chuck's 
rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve) and avoiding 
politics while still discussing the real world.  As of late it seems that 
everything has been politicised and to continue lent really limits discussion.  
Before you know it we won't be able to talk about Tecate because it comes from 
Mexico or Fries because they are French.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
were you here when i broke afmug?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking lent.

Stock markets going to crash ... lent
Hurricane response ... lent
National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to talk 
about them without getting all melty about it.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
Lent

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every state
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
> not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
> literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has
> people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert 
> mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
> Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>
> On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>
>> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> From Utah:
>>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
>>> know why.
>>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
>>> Department of Health.
>>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
>>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
>>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
>>> people tested.
>>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
>>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
>>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
>>>
>>
>>
>
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> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Who _IS_ the king here?

bp



On 4/14/2020 11:31 AM, James Howard
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Unfortunately
Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of
thought it was a group effort though.
 

  
From: AF
[mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
  

 

  i blame jaime

 

  
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James
  Howard  wrote:
  
  

  
You’re
claiming all the credit for that?
 

  
From: AF
[mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
  

 

  were
you here when i broke afmug?

 

  
On
  Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
  wrote:
  
  

  IT
is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about
anything without breaking lent.  
  
 
  
  
Stock
  markets going to crash ... lent
  
  
Hurricane
  response ... lent
  
  
National
  preparedness for a pandemic ... lent  
  
  
 
  
  
Facts
  still matter, or at least I think they do, and
  we should be able to talk about them without
  getting all melty about it.   
  

 

  
On
  Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM 
  wrote:
  
  
Lent
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: Robert Andrews
  Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
  
  You and I are going to have to agree to
  disagree.   That would be like
  every state negotiating their own tariffs
  internationally.   Sorry but
  United States MEANS coordination at a national
  level.   They should have
  set up a means to determine need and then sent
  what wasn't available to
  nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this,
  nothing at a national
  level.  Our Federal government has been a joke
  through all this and is
  become more so.   The CDC sent out initial
  test kits that the states had
  to go behind their back to determine that they
  didn't work.   The CDC
  had gotten it's pandemic response group
  removed a year ago.   Steve, you
  are about to have the worst of the worst in
  your location.  I surely
  hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have
  been nice to have _some_
  national preparedness?
  
  On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  > you saw what happened with the "united
  states" on ventilators, every state 
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[James Howard]

FakeBook is a cesspool?   What an insult!   How could you say something like 
that?!

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

Lunch is good, but FB is a cesspool.


bp


On 4/14/2020 11:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> We can always talk about lunch.
>
> If you want political discourse there are FB pages that will be happy
> to host the comments.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:12 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
> I have to agree with Chuck, it is a WISP centric list and we devolve
> into some pretty nasty talk without constraints...  BTDT...
>
> On 04/14/2020 11:08 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without
>> breaking lent.
>>
>> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
>> Hurricane response ... lent
>> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
>>
>> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be
>> able to talk about them without getting all melty about it.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Lent
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>
>> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be
>> like
>> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally. Sorry but
>> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They
>> should have
>> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't
>> available to
>> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
>> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this
>> and is
>> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the
>> states had
>> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The
>> CDC
>> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.
>> Steve, you
>> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location. I surely
>> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
>> national preparedness?
>>
>> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>  > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators,
>> every state
>>  > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need
>> them or
>>  > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game.
>> its
>>  > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure
>> he has
>>  > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up
>> the chain
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert 
>> mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
>> 
>>  > > >>
>> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United
>> States
>>  > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of
>> it's
>>  > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need
>> it...
>>  > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
>>  > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to
>> see what
>>  > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>>  >
>>  > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>>  >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way
>> interesting is
>>  >> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>  >>
>>  >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> 
>> > > wrote:
>>  >>> From Utah:
>>  >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re
>> seeing
>>  >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and
>> they don’t
>>  >>> know why.
>>  >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>>  >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with
>> the Utah
>>  >>> Department of Health.
>>  >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on
>> Monday — a
>>  >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new
>> cases
>>  >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of
>> 45,787
>>  >>> people tested.
>>  >>> An additional 1,500 peop

Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

[Josh Luthman]

CHR is probably a better way to put it than x86, yes.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:22 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> You mean CHR?  Don't think I would deploy Mikrotik on X86 either.  All
> driver development is focused on CHR.
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:20 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> What about Mikrotik on x86?  Software you're familiar with and a platform
>> that's proven.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:15 PM Gilbert Gutierrez <
>> mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two
>>> CCR1072-1G-8s+ routers and have had stability problems with random reboots
>>> over the last year of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80
>>> platform but do not know anything about their licensing (looking at used
>>> ones that I can get for about $5k). I also do not know what other options
>>> are out there.
>>>
>>> I am needing 10G ports
>>> Support for OSPF
>>> Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
>>> MPLS would be nice
>>> Support VLANs
>>> Support for various MTU sizes
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Gilbert
>>> --
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Steve Jones]

on an unrelated note, one of the school districts near me informed me today
they achieved 100 percent access for their remote learners. Thats really
impressive. They did this themselves over the last year as it turns out.
they resolved the last of them with some hotspots. Not every day
theres something good to say about a school district

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Who *_IS_* the king here?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/14/2020 11:31 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> Unfortunately Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of
> thought it was a group effort though.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
>
>
> i blame jaime
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You’re claiming all the credit for that?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
>
>
> were you here when i broke afmug?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking
> lent.
>
>
>
> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
>
> Hurricane response ... lent
>
> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
>
>
>
> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to
> talk about them without getting all melty about it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:
>
> Lent
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
> national preparedness?
>
> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every
> state
> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has
> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  > > wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
> > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
> >
> > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
> >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
> >> the ability to perform such good testing...
> >>
> >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
> >>> From Utah:
> >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
> >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
> >>> know why.
> >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
> >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
> >>> Department of Health.
> >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
> >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
> >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
> >>> people tested.
> >>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
> >>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
> >>> of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
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> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

[Mark Radabaugh]

We have used Netrix, Centracomm, and Walker & Associates at various times.   
Juniper tries to push you to the local territory VAR which usually just pisses 
me off.   You don’t have to buy from the local VAR but you might have to work a 
little bit on it.   Juniper tries to manage the channel a lot too much.

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Gilbert Gutierrez 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will look into the MX204. Do you have a recommended reseller? I used to 
> have issues with the old 7200vxr multiservice platform running ATM circuits. 
> I don't remember as many issues with the old 7500 series boxes. They did like 
> power though.
> 
> Gilbert
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:30 AM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> I would suggest looking seriously at the MX204 platform.   New with licensing 
> it’s under 20k (negotiate hard and you can get it closer to 15k). Very 
> powerful without the power, space, and line card expense of the MX80.   The 
> only real drawback to them is they are a single routing engine rather than 
> dual.  Having said that I can’t recall any time that we have had a routing 
> engine fail on a MX series router.   Used to happen all the time on our Cisco 
> 7500’s - but we are talking ancient history there.
> 
> We run a pair of MX204’s now, though we used a single one for a long time.
> 
> Mark
> 
> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Gilbert Gutierrez 
> > mailto:mailing-li...@phxinternet.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two 
> > CCR1072-1G-8s+ routers and have had stability problems with random reboots 
> > over the last year of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80 
> > platform but do not know anything about their licensing (looking at used 
> > ones that I can get for about $5k). I also do not know what other options 
> > are out there.
> > 
> > I am needing 10G ports
> > Support for OSPF
> > Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
> > MPLS would be nice
> > Support VLANs
> > Support for various MTU sizes
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > Gilbert
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> > AF@af.afmug.com 
> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 
> > 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
No no no. If you must drink Mexican beer, the only choice is Modelo
Negra.

bp



On 4/14/2020 11:38 AM, James Howard
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
There
are obviously some pretty strong opinions held by a number
of people here about politics.  It is hard to resist
responding to some of the statements that are very much the
opposite of your own view.  That clearly is the case for
both sides.  I imagine the people who tend to straddle the
fence probably wonder why it’s such a hot-button thing for
some.
 
In
any case though, it’s just a good thing that Jaime’s Mexican
beer of choice isn’t Corona or we’d really be in
trouble……..  (I’ve gotta say that of all the Mexican beers
I’ve had I do prefer Tecate to the others….  Only had 5 or 6
different brands though)
 
 
 

  
From: AF
[mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
  

 

  
Yes, I've been here for a long time. 
  Obviously it is Chuck's list and Chuck's rules but I'd
  argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve) and avoiding
  politics while still discussing the real world.  As of
  late it seems that everything has been politicised and to
  continue lent really limits discussion.  Before you know
  it we won't be able to talk about Tecate because it comes
  from Mexico or Fries because they are French.  
  
  
 
  
   
  

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve
Jones 
wrote:


  
were you here when i broke afmug?
  
   
  

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM
Carl Peterson 
wrote:


  
IT is pretty ridiculous that we
  can't talk about anything without breaking lent.  

   


  Stock markets going to crash
... lent


  Hurricane response ... lent


  National preparedness for a
pandemic ... lent  


   


  Facts still matter, or at
least I think they do, and we should be able to
talk about them without getting all melty about
it.   

  
   
  

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52
PM 
wrote:


  Lent

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to
disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs
internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national
level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent
what wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this,
nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke
through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test
kits that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they
didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed
a y

[AFMUG] EBS status for school districts

[Steve Jones]

If a guy wanted to find out what spectrum is available to a school
district, where would the guy start to look? I assume ULS, but I
wouldnt know where to begin even
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That is a pretty good brag; humble though it be. Pretty sure
  there are very few school districts in the entire country that
  could make the same statement.


bp



On 4/14/2020 11:40 AM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  on an unrelated note, one of the school districts
near me informed me today they achieved 100 percent access for
their remote learners. Thats really impressive. They did this
themselves over the last year as it turns out. they resolved the
last of them with some hotspots. Not every day theres something
good to say about a school district
  
  
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:38
  PM Bill Prince  wrote:


  
Who _IS_ the king here?

bp



On 4/14/2020 11:31 AM, James Howard wrote:


  
Unfortunately
Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind
of thought it was a group effort though.
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
  

 

  i blame jaime

 

  
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM
  James Howard 
  wrote:
  
  

  
You’re
claiming all the credit for that?
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020
1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus
testing
  

 

  were you here when i
broke afmug?

 

  
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at
  1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
  wrote:
  
  

  IT is pretty
ridiculous that we can't talk about
anything without breaking lent.  
  
 
  
  
Stock markets going
  to crash ... lent
  
  
Hurricane response
  ... lent
  
  
National
  preparedness for a pandemic ... lent  
  
  
 
  
  
Facts still matter,
  or at least I think they do, and we
  should be able to talk about them
  without getting all melty about it.   
  

 

  
On Tue, Apr 14,
  2020 at 12:52 PM 
  wrote:
  
  
Lent
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: Robert Andrews
  Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[James Howard]

I disagree.  Our local Costco often has Modelo cases and I do not prefer the 
Negra……….

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing


No no no. If you must drink Mexican beer, the only choice is Modelo 
Negra.

bp




On 4/14/2020 11:38 AM, James Howard wrote:
There are obviously some pretty strong opinions held by a number of people here 
about politics.  It is hard to resist responding to some of the statements that 
are very much the opposite of your own view.  That clearly is the case for both 
sides.  I imagine the people who tend to straddle the fence probably wonder why 
it’s such a hot-button thing for some.

In any case though, it’s just a good thing that Jaime’s Mexican beer of choice 
isn’t Corona or we’d really be in trouble……..  (I’ve gotta say that of all the 
Mexican beers I’ve had I do prefer Tecate to the others….  Only had 5 or 6 
different brands though)



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously it is Chuck's list and Chuck's 
rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve) and avoiding 
politics while still discussing the real world.  As of late it seems that 
everything has been politicised and to continue lent really limits discussion.  
Before you know it we won't be able to talk about Tecate because it comes from 
Mexico or Fries because they are French.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
were you here when i broke afmug?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking lent.

Stock markets going to crash ... lent
Hurricane response ... lent
National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to talk 
about them without getting all melty about it.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
Lent

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every state
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
> not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
> literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has
> people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert 
> mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
> Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>
> On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>
>> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> From Utah:
>>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
>>> know why.
>>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
>>> Department of Health.
>>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
>>> smaller rise compared

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Mark Radabaugh]

I think as an industry we really need to push that message - that rural kids 
are largely served.   Sure you can find a basket case somewhere, you always can.

There is a huge push in DC right now over the ‘Homework Gap’.It’s the ONLY 
think one FCC commissioner cares about and she has been beating that drum 
forever.It’s an easy sell in Washington and you all know what happens when 
Washington tries to ‘fix’ something.   

We reached out to all of our local school districts at the start of this asking 
for the lists of students without home internet service.   The lists we 
received back were considerably smaller than I would have suspected.   17 
families in one 1800 student district.   This was student reported - of those a 
fair number DID have service but apparently just didn’t want to do school at 
home.  We provided free service to a number of the remainder, as did Spectrum.  
 A few parents never responded, which isn’t a surprise.   There will always be 
POS parents that don’t give a crap about the kids.   The same happened with a 
couple of other districts.   Similar percentages.

The big telco’s are running around Washington screaming ‘homework gap’ and 
’throw money at us and we will fix it’.   

We need to push back on that narrative, and quickly. 

If you helped out your students in your coverage area PUBLICIZE the hell out of 
it to the community and the politicians.  

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> on an unrelated note, one of the school districts near me informed me today 
> they achieved 100 percent access for their remote learners. Thats really 
> impressive. They did this themselves over the last year as it turns out. they 
> resolved the last of them with some hotspots. Not every day theres something 
> good to say about a school district
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:38 PM Bill Prince  > wrote:
> Who _IS_ the king here?
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 4/14/2020 11:31 AM, James Howard wrote:
>> Unfortunately Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of thought 
>> it was a group effort though.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] 
>> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> i blame jaime
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard > > wrote:
>> 
>> You’re claiming all the credit for that?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] 
>> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> were you here when i broke afmug?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson > > wrote:
>> 
>> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking 
>> lent.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
>> 
>> Hurricane response ... lent
>> 
>> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to 
>> talk about them without getting all melty about it.   
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Lent
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>> 
>> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
>> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
>> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
>> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
>> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
>> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
>> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
>> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
>> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
>> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
>> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
>> national preparedness?
>> 
>> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every state 
>> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or 
>> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its 
>> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has 
>> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Rob

Re: [AFMUG] EBS status for school districts

[Cameron Crum]

Try this and put in your state.

https://reboot.fcc.gov/spectrumdashboard/searchMap.seam

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:45 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> If a guy wanted to find out what spectrum is available to a school
> district, where would the guy start to look? I assume ULS, but I
> wouldnt know where to begin even
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Re: [AFMUG] EBS status for school districts

[Eric Nielsen]

Keep in mind that this band will be auctioned in the coming months. School
districts are selling their EBS licenses pretty regularly since the band
can legally be owned by commercial entities now. They’re charging a premium
for licenses and leases.

Comsearch can generate interactive maps showing the percentage each block’s
availability in each county of interest.

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wrote:

> If a guy wanted to find out what spectrum is available to a school
> district, where would the guy start to look? I assume ULS, but I
> wouldnt know where to begin even
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Jaime Solorza]

Federal government failed ...period

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every state
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or not.
> The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its literally the
> governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has people in place
> to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States instead
>> of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's excess capacity to
>> help out elsewhere while they don't need it...Seems a waste to not use
>> that capacity while it's there.   Maybe relax the restrictions and chase
>> down contacts and test to see what the asymptomatic case profile looks
>> like...
>>
>> On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>>
>> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is the
>> ability to perform such good testing...
>>
>> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> From Utah:
>>
>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing a low
>> demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t know why.
>>
>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to figure out,”
>> said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah Department of Health.
>>
>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a smaller
>> rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases bring the state’s
>> tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787 people tested.
>>
>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday, according to
>> the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable of administering up to
>> 5,000 tests per day.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Steve Jones]

Its beginning to look like there is much less of a homework gap than even I
thought

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:54 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> I think as an industry we really need to push that message - that rural
> kids are largely served.   Sure you can find a basket case somewhere, you
> always can.
>
> There is a huge push in DC right now over the ‘Homework Gap’.It’s the
> ONLY think one FCC commissioner cares about and she has been beating that
> drum forever.It’s an easy sell in Washington and you all know what
> happens when Washington tries to ‘fix’ something.
>
> We reached out to all of our local school districts at the start of this
> asking for the lists of students without home internet service.   The lists
> we received back were considerably smaller than I would have suspected.
> 17 families in one 1800 student district.   This was student reported - of
> those a fair number DID have service but apparently just didn’t want to do
> school at home.  We provided free service to a number of the remainder, as
> did Spectrum.   A few parents never responded, which isn’t a surprise.
> There will always be POS parents that don’t give a crap about the kids.
> The same happened with a couple of other districts.   Similar percentages.
>
> The big telco’s are running around Washington screaming ‘homework gap’ and
> ’throw money at us and we will fix it’.
>
> We need to push back on that narrative, and quickly.
>
> If you helped out your students in your coverage area PUBLICIZE the hell
> out of it to the community and the politicians.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> on an unrelated note, one of the school districts near me informed me
> today they achieved 100 percent access for their remote learners. Thats
> really impressive. They did this themselves over the last year as it turns
> out. they resolved the last of them with some hotspots. Not every day
> theres something good to say about a school district
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Who *_IS_* the king here?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/14/2020 11:31 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of
>> thought it was a group effort though.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>
>>
>>
>> i blame jaime
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> You’re claiming all the credit for that?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>
>>
>>
>> were you here when i broke afmug?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without
>> breaking lent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
>>
>> Hurricane response ... lent
>>
>> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
>>
>>
>>
>> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to
>> talk about them without getting all melty about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Lent
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>
>> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
>> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
>> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
>> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
>> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
>> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
>> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
>> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
>> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
>> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
>> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
>> national preparedness?
>>
>> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every
>> state
>> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
>> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
>> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he
>> has
>> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the
>> chain
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[Chuck Macenski]

+1 to the Alexander Haig comment

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not good when you proudly compare yourself to Captain Bligh.  At least he
> didn’t choose Captain Queeg.  I was thinking it was his Alexander Haig
> moment, but Haig kind of got a raw deal, that was just a PR blunder and not
> a power grab IMHO.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:51 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?
>
>
>
> Oh, lol, I thought you were serious. that was a disaster. I like this
> admin, but I wouldnt be surprised if they has stuck their fingers in this
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:41 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.
>
>
>
> Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an
> emergency near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position
> to request an extension based on conditions being unchanged from the
> emergency that prompted the STA in the first place.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences.
> You're saying the oval office is involved in this?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing]
> the shots” decides on when this is over.
>
>
>
> The bigger picture at play is this NPRM:
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf
>
>
>
> The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the
> land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where
> the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they
> want to do anyway.
>
>
>
> So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an
> industry can show it being used responsibly the better.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more
> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz
> channels.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>
>
>
> And they are beautiful!
> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>
> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original
> letter and could be used with notification to the other license holders in
> the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own
> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those
> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process
> with the FCC.
>
>
>
> Yes, they are in use.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
> by some group.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>
> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
> from the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

[Josh Baird]

We buy from Myriad360.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:36 PM Gilbert Gutierrez <
mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:

> I will look into the MX204. Do you have a recommended reseller? I used to
> have issues with the old 7200vxr multiservice platform running ATM
> circuits. I don't remember as many issues with the old 7500 series boxes.
> They did like power though.
>
> Gilbert
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:30 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> I would suggest looking seriously at the MX204 platform.   New with
>> licensing it’s under 20k (negotiate hard and you can get it closer to
>> 15k). Very powerful without the power, space, and line card expense of
>> the MX80.   The only real drawback to them is they are a single routing
>> engine rather than dual.  Having said that I can’t recall any time that we
>> have had a routing engine fail on a MX series router.   Used to happen all
>> the time on our Cisco 7500’s - but we are talking ancient history there.
>>
>> We run a pair of MX204’s now, though we used a single one for a long time.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Gilbert Gutierrez <
>> mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two
>> CCR1072-1G-8s+ routers and have had stability problems with random reboots
>> over the last year of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80
>> platform but do not know anything about their licensing (looking at used
>> ones that I can get for about $5k). I also do not know what other options
>> are out there.
>> >
>> > I am needing 10G ports
>> > Support for OSPF
>> > Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
>> > MPLS would be nice
>> > Support VLANs
>> > Support for various MTU sizes
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Gilbert
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[chuck]

My daughter, the Jr High science teacher has been told that nobody gets a bad 
grade.  So she has stopped grading papers.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

That is a pretty good brag; humble though it be. Pretty sure there are very few 
school districts in the entire country that could make the same statement.



bp


On 4/14/2020 11:40 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  on an unrelated note, one of the school districts near me informed me today 
they achieved 100 percent access for their remote learners. Thats really 
impressive. They did this themselves over the last year as it turns out. they 
resolved the last of them with some hotspots. Not every day theres something 
good to say about a school district

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Who _IS_ the king here?


bp


On 4/14/2020 11:31 AM, James Howard wrote:

  Unfortunately Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of 
thought it was a group effort though.



  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing



  i blame jaime



  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard  wrote:

You’re claiming all the credit for that?



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing



were you here when i broke afmug?



On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:

  IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without 
breaking lent.  



  Stock markets going to crash ... lent

  Hurricane response ... lent

  National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent  



  Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be 
able to talk about them without getting all melty about it.   



  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:

Lent

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be 
like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry 
but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should 
have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't 
available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and 
is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the 
states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The 
CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   
Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, 
every state 
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need 
them or 
> not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. 
its 
> literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure 
he has 
> people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up 
the chain
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  > wrote:
>
> At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United 
States
> instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of 
it's
> excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need 
it... 
> Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to 
see what
> the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>
> On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way 
interesting is
>> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>
>> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  
wrote:
>>> From Utah:
>>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re 
seeing
>>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they 
don’t
  

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

[chuck]

I remember that day.  I was fixing a phone in a farm outbuilding.

From: Chuck Macenski 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

+1 to the Alexander Haig comment

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Not good when you proudly compare yourself to Captain Bligh.  At least he 
didn’t choose Captain Queeg.  I was thinking it was his Alexander Haig moment, 
but Haig kind of got a raw deal, that was just a PR blunder and not a power 
grab IMHO.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:51 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?



  Oh, lol, I thought you were serious. that was a disaster. I like this admin, 
but I wouldnt be surprised if they has stuck their fingers in this



  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:41 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.   



Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an 
emergency near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position to 
request an extension based on conditions being unchanged from the emergency 
that prompted the STA in the first place.



Mark





  On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones  
wrote:



  I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences. 
You're saying the oval office is involved in this?



  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States 
call[ing] the shots” decides on when this is over.  



The bigger picture at play is this NPRM: 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf



The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of 
the land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where 
the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they want 
to do anyway.



So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an 
industry can show it being used responsibly the better.



Mark





  On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones  
wrote:



  Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?



  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been 
more dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz 
channels. 



Mark





  On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  
wrote:



  And they are beautiful!
  8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s

  On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the 
original letter and could be used with notification to the other license 
holders in the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your 
own application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those 
applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process with 
the FCC.



Yes, they are in use.



Mark





  On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:



  Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It 
appears the STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on 
here. I was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some 
resistance by some group. 



  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  
wrote:

Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we 
could get an extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 
months, there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC 
commissioners. Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there 
would be from the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you 
all?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Robert Andrews]

It's not popular but Dos Equis Dark on Tap ( maybe because it's a keg ) 
has always been a favorite of mine...BEER we can always argue about BEER


On 04/14/2020 11:38 AM, James Howard wrote:
There are obviously some pretty strong opinions held by a number of 
people here about politics.  It is hard to resist responding to some of 
the statements that are very much the opposite of your own view.  That 
clearly is the case for both sides.  I imagine the people who tend to 
straddle the fence probably wonder why it’s such a hot-button thing for 
some.


In any case though, it’s just a good thing that Jaime’s Mexican beer of 
choice isn’t Corona or we’d really be in trouble……..  (I’ve gotta say 
that of all the Mexican beers I’ve had I do prefer Tecate to the 
others….  Only had 5 or 6 different brands though)


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously it is Chuck's list and 
Chuck's rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve) and 
avoiding politics while still discussing the real world.  As of late it 
seems that everything has been politicised and to continue lent really 
limits discussion.  Before you know it we won't be able to talk about 
Tecate because it comes from Mexico or Fries because they are French.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


were you here when i broke afmug?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything
without breaking lent.

Stock markets going to crash ... lent

Hurricane response ... lent

National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should
be able to talk about them without getting all melty about it.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Lent

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That
would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally. 
  Sorry but

United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They
should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't
available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a
national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all
this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that
the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work. 
  The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago. 
  Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location. 
I surely

hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have
_some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 > you saw what happened with the "united states" on
ventilators, every state
 > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they
need them or
 > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing
game. its
 > literally the governor of each states responsibility to
make sure he has
 > people in place to make sure systems operate and
communicate up the chain
 >
 >
 > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the
United States
 > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use
some of it's
 > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they
don't need it...
 > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there. 
  Maybe

 > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and
test to see what
 > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
 >
 > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
 >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way
interesting is
 >> the ability 

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Cameron Crum]

Some of the local districts here have gone to pass/fail which really sucks
for the kids trying to get their class rank up to get into better schools.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:40 PM  wrote:

> My daughter, the Jr High science teacher has been told that nobody gets a
> bad grade.  So she has stopped grading papers.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:48 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
>
> That is a pretty good brag; humble though it be. Pretty sure there are
> very few school districts in the entire country that could make the same
> statement.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/14/2020 11:40 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> on an unrelated note, one of the school districts near me informed me
> today they achieved 100 percent access for their remote learners. Thats
> really impressive. They did this themselves over the last year as it turns
> out. they resolved the last of them with some hotspots. Not every day
> theres something good to say about a school district
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Who *_IS_* the king here?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/14/2020 11:31 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of
>> thought it was a group effort though.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>
>>
>>
>> i blame jaime
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> You’re claiming all the credit for that?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>
>>
>>
>> were you here when i broke afmug?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without
>> breaking lent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
>>
>> Hurricane response ... lent
>>
>> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
>>
>>
>>
>> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to
>> talk about them without getting all melty about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Lent
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>
>> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
>> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
>> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
>> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
>> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
>> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
>> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
>> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
>> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
>> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
>> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
>> national preparedness?
>>
>> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every
>> state
>> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
>> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
>> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he
>> has
>> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the
>> chain
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
>> > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
>> > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
>> > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
>> > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
>> > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>> >
>> > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>> >> the ability to perform such good testing...
>> >>
>> >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> wrote:
>> >>> From Utah:
>> >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>> >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
>> >>> know why.
>> >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>> >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with t

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Ken Hohhof]

Is adult like alert?  As in be alert, the world needs more lerts?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

 

I can name names of people that are at the polar extremes of political opinion 
here.

If one posts, then the opposite end feels a need to post and then it is never 
ending.  

You are right that there is no clean delineation between the world and the 
world of politics.

My facts are tinfoil delusions to you.   So we attempt to practice kindness.

 

Similar to invoking godwin, we invoke Lent at times.

 

Just reminds us all that our opinions are very likely odious to someone else, 
so let’s not stink up the place.  

We have been pretty good at self policing, but calling us adults?  Come on man, 
that is a stretch.  

 

From: Carl Peterson 

Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:30 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

 

Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously it is Chuck's list and Chuck's 
rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve) and avoiding 
politics while still discussing the real world.  As of late it seems that 
everything has been politicised and to continue lent really limits discussion.  
Before you know it we won't be able to talk about Tecate because it comes from 
Mexico or Fries because they are French.  

 

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

were you here when i broke afmug?

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking 
lent.   

 

Stock markets going to crash ... lent

Hurricane response ... lent

National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent  

 

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to talk 
about them without getting all melty about it.   

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Lent

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every state 
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or 
> not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its 
> literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has 
> people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert   
> > wrote:
>
> At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it... 
> Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>
> On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>
>> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   
>>  wrote:
>>> From Utah:
>>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
>>> know why.
>>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
>>> Department of Health.
>>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
>>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
>>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
>>> people tested.
>>> An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
>>> according to the Utah Department of Health. The sta

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Here, they're using the quarter grades that post next week for GPA
calculation, but the final will be pass/fail. I don't think they've
told all the students this; some may be surprised if they thought
they'd shore up their grade in the 2nd half of the semester. I think
they're more worried about telling the students this and having them
basically blow off the 2nd half, only doing what is minimally
necessary to "pass".

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont
Owner
  / Network
  Architect
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Broadband LLC
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On 4/14/20 1:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:


  
  Some of the local districts here have gone to
pass/fail which really sucks for the kids trying to get their
class rank up to get into better schools. 
  
  
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:40
  PM 
  wrote:


  

  
My daughter, the Jr High science teacher has been
  told that nobody gets a bad grade.  So she has stopped
  grading papers.  

  
 

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:48 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

  
   


  That is a pretty good brag; humble though it be.
Pretty sure there are very few school districts in
the entire country that could make the same
statement.
   
  bp



  On 4/14/2020 11:40 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  
  
on an unrelated note, one of the
  school districts near me informed me today they
  achieved 100 percent access for their remote
  learners. Thats really impressive. They did this
  themselves over the last year as it turns out.
  they resolved the last of them with some hotspots.
  Not every day theres something good to say about a
  school district
 

  On Tue, Apr 14,
2020 at 1:38 PM Bill Prince 
wrote:
  
  

  Who _IS_ the king here?
  
  bp



  On 4/14/2020 11:31 AM, James Howard
wrote:
  
  

  Unfortunately
  Chuck said he’s assigning it all to
  you……..  I kind of thought it was a
  group effort though.
   
  

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, April 14,
  2020 1:29 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave
  Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
  virus testing

  
   
  
i blame jaime
  
   
  

  On Tue, Apr 14,
2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard 
wrote:


  

  You’re
  claiming all the credit for
  that?
   
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[chuck]

Where was corona virus when I was in school...

From: Jesse DuPont 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

Here, they're using the quarter grades that post next week for GPA calculation, 
but the final will be pass/fail. I don't think they've told all the students 
this; some may be surprised if they thought they'd shore up their grade in the 
2nd half of the semester. I think they're more worried about telling the 
students this and having them basically blow off the 2nd half, only doing what 
is minimally necessary to "pass".

 
Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

 

On 4/14/20 1:49 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

  Some of the local districts here have gone to pass/fail which really sucks 
for the kids trying to get their class rank up to get into better schools. 

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:40 PM  wrote:

My daughter, the Jr High science teacher has been told that nobody gets a 
bad grade.  So she has stopped grading papers.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

That is a pretty good brag; humble though it be. Pretty sure there are very 
few school districts in the entire country that could make the same statement.



bp


On 4/14/2020 11:40 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  on an unrelated note, one of the school districts near me informed me 
today they achieved 100 percent access for their remote learners. Thats really 
impressive. They did this themselves over the last year as it turns out. they 
resolved the last of them with some hotspots. Not every day theres something 
good to say about a school district

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Who _IS_ the king here?


bp


On 4/14/2020 11:31 AM, James Howard wrote:

  Unfortunately Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of 
thought it was a group effort though.



  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing



  i blame jaime



  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard  
wrote:

You’re claiming all the credit for that?



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing



were you here when i broke afmug?



On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:

  IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without 
breaking lent.  



  Stock markets going to crash ... lent

  Hurricane response ... lent

  National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent  



  Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be 
able to talk about them without getting all melty about it.   



  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:

Lent

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would 
be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   
Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They 
should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't 
available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a 
national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this 
and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the 
states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   
The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   
Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I 
surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have 
_some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> you saw what happened with the "united states" on 
ventilators, every state 
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they 
need them or 
> not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing 
game. its 
> literally the governor of each st

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Ken Hohhof]

If he wants the credit, let him have it, or he’ll have to do it again.  I’m 
thinking of another of my dad’s stories when I was a kid.  Remember, he was in 
the food industry.

 

Supposedly at a plant that made sausage or some other ground meat product, 
several burly guys would literally shovel the trimmed cuts of meat into the 
hopper of a giant grinder.  And the shovel handles would get slippery due to 
the fat in the meat.  And one day one of the burly guys lost his grip on the 
shovel and it went into the grinder and got ground up with the meat.  So the 
whole batch had to be thrown out and the grinder cleaned.

 

So the next day, the big boss from corporate came down and went on a tirade in 
front of the crew of burly guys, ending with “How could you do something so 
stupid?”  At which point the person responsible shouts back “Like this!” and 
threw another shovel into the grinder.

 

I can’t guarantee that my dad’s stories weren’t embellished.  At the time, I 
took them all at face value.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

 

Unfortunately Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of thought it 
was a group effort though.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

 

i blame jaime

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

You’re claiming all the credit for that?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

 

were you here when i broke afmug?

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking 
lent.  

 

Stock markets going to crash ... lent

Hurricane response ... lent

National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent  

 

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to talk 
about them without getting all melty about it.   

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Lent

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every state 
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or 
> not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its 
> literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has 
> people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert    
>  >> wrote:
>
> At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it... 
> Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>
> On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>
>> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   
>>  > wrote:
>>> From Utah:
>>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
>>> know why.
>>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
>>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist w

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Steve Jones]

Yeah, illinois rules are similar.. its dumb. My kids are at the kitchen
table minimum 8 to noon doing school. They're required to complete all
assignments before they get freedom for the day, including stuff that's
"not due yet" they also have to maintain a c or better. I'm cutting them
slack and not requiring b since the teachers are still learning to teach
this way

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 2:40 PM  wrote:

> My daughter, the Jr High science teacher has been told that nobody gets a
> bad grade.  So she has stopped grading papers.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:48 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
>
> That is a pretty good brag; humble though it be. Pretty sure there are
> very few school districts in the entire country that could make the same
> statement.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/14/2020 11:40 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> on an unrelated note, one of the school districts near me informed me
> today they achieved 100 percent access for their remote learners. Thats
> really impressive. They did this themselves over the last year as it turns
> out. they resolved the last of them with some hotspots. Not every day
> theres something good to say about a school district
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Who *_IS_* the king here?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/14/2020 11:31 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of
>> thought it was a group effort though.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>
>>
>>
>> i blame jaime
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> You’re claiming all the credit for that?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>
>>
>>
>> were you here when i broke afmug?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without
>> breaking lent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
>>
>> Hurricane response ... lent
>>
>> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
>>
>>
>>
>> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to
>> talk about them without getting all melty about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Lent
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>>
>> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
>> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
>> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
>> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
>> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
>> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
>> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
>> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
>> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
>> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
>> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
>> national preparedness?
>>
>> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every
>> state
>> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
>> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
>> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he
>> has
>> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the
>> chain
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
>> > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
>> > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
>> > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
>> > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
>> > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>> >
>> > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>> >> the ability to perform such good testing...
>> >>
>> >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> wrote:
>> >>> From Utah:
>> >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
>> >>> a low

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Steve Jones]

All I'm hearing here is do it again

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 3:08 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If he wants the credit, let him have it, or he’ll have to do it again.
> I’m thinking of another of my dad’s stories when I was a kid.  Remember, he
> was in the food industry.
>
>
>
> Supposedly at a plant that made sausage or some other ground meat product,
> several burly guys would literally shovel the trimmed cuts of meat into the
> hopper of a giant grinder.  And the shovel handles would get slippery due
> to the fat in the meat.  And one day one of the burly guys lost his grip on
> the shovel and it went into the grinder and got ground up with the meat.
> So the whole batch had to be thrown out and the grinder cleaned.
>
>
>
> So the next day, the big boss from corporate came down and went on a
> tirade in front of the crew of burly guys, ending with “How could you do
> something so stupid?”  At which point the person responsible shouts back
> “Like this!” and threw another shovel into the grinder.
>
>
>
> I can’t guarantee that my dad’s stories weren’t embellished.  At the time,
> I took them all at face value.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:32 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
>
>
> Unfortunately Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of
> thought it was a group effort though.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
>
>
> i blame jaime
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You’re claiming all the credit for that?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
>
>
> were you here when i broke afmug?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking
> lent.
>
>
>
> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
>
> Hurricane response ... lent
>
> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
>
>
>
> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to
> talk about them without getting all melty about it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  wrote:
>
> Lent
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
> national preparedness?
>
> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every
> state
> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has
> > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  > > wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
> > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
> >
> > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
> >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
> >> the ability to perform such good testing...
> >>
> >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
> >>> From Utah:
> >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
> >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
> >>> know why.
> >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
> >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
> >

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Ken Hohhof]

So in today's BEER news:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8213855/FIFTY-MILLION-pints-beer-cider-poured-drain-warns-CAMRA.html


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 2:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

It's not popular but Dos Equis Dark on Tap ( maybe because it's a keg ) 
has always been a favorite of mine...BEER we can always argue about BEER

On 04/14/2020 11:38 AM, James Howard wrote:
> There are obviously some pretty strong opinions held by a number of 
> people here about politics.  It is hard to resist responding to some 
> of the statements that are very much the opposite of your own view.  
> That clearly is the case for both sides.  I imagine the people who 
> tend to straddle the fence probably wonder why it’s such a hot-button 
> thing for some.
> 
> In any case though, it’s just a good thing that Jaime’s Mexican beer 
> of choice isn’t Corona or we’d really be in trouble……..  (I’ve gotta 
> say that of all the Mexican beers I’ve had I do prefer Tecate to the 
> others….  Only had 5 or 6 different brands though)
> 
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl 
> Peterson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
> 
> Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously it is Chuck's list and 
> Chuck's rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve) 
> and avoiding politics while still discussing the real world.  As of 
> late it seems that everything has been politicised and to continue 
> lent really limits discussion.  Before you know it we won't be able to 
> talk about Tecate because it comes from Mexico or Fries because they are 
> French.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones  > wrote:
> 
> were you here when i broke afmug?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson
> mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
> 
> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything
> without breaking lent.
> 
> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
> 
> Hurricane response ... lent
> 
> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
> 
> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should
> be able to talk about them without getting all melty about it.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  > wrote:
> 
> Lent
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
> 
> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That
> would be like
> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally. 
>   Sorry but
> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They
> should have
> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't
> available to
> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a
> national
> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all
> this and is
> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that
> the states had
> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work. 
>   The CDC
> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago. 
>   Steve, you
> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location. 
> I surely
> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have
> _some_
> national preparedness?
> 
> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>  > you saw what happened with the "united states" on
> ventilators, every state
>  > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they
> need them or
>  > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing
> game. its
>  > literally the governor of each states responsibility to
> make sure he has
>  > people in place to make sure systems operate and
> communicate up the chain
>  >
>  >
>  > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert
> mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
>  >  >> wrote:
>  >
>  > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the
> United States
>  > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use
> some of it's
>  > excess capacity to hel

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[chuck]

Oh, the humanity..

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 2:20 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

So in today's BEER news:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8213855/FIFTY-MILLION-pints-beer-cider-poured-drain-warns-CAMRA.html


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 2:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

It's not popular but Dos Equis Dark on Tap ( maybe because it's a keg )
has always been a favorite of mine...BEER we can always argue about BEER

On 04/14/2020 11:38 AM, James Howard wrote:

There are obviously some pretty strong opinions held by a number of
people here about politics.  It is hard to resist responding to some
of the statements that are very much the opposite of your own view.
That clearly is the case for both sides.  I imagine the people who
tend to straddle the fence probably wonder why it’s such a hot-button
thing for some.

In any case though, it’s just a good thing that Jaime’s Mexican beer
of choice isn’t Corona or we’d really be in trouble……..  (I’ve gotta
say that of all the Mexican beers I’ve had I do prefer Tecate to the
others….  Only had 5 or 6 different brands though)

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl
Peterson
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously it is Chuck's list and
Chuck's rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve)
and avoiding politics while still discussing the real world.  As of
late it seems that everything has been politicised and to continue
lent really limits discussion.  Before you know it we won't be able to
talk about Tecate because it comes from Mexico or Fries because they are 
French.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

were you here when i broke afmug?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> 
wrote:


IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything
without breaking lent.

Stock markets going to crash ... lent

Hurricane response ... lent

National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should
be able to talk about them without getting all melty about it.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Lent

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That
would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.
  Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They
should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't
available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a
national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all
this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that
the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.
  The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.
  Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.
I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have
_some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 > you saw what happened with the "united states" on
ventilators, every state
 > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they
need them or
 > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing
game. its
 > literally the governor of each states responsibility to
make sure he has
 > people in place to make sure systems operate and
communicate up the chain
 >
 >
 > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the
United States
 > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use
some of it's
 > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they
don't need

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[James Howard]

How else can you demonstrate how it was done?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 3:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

All I'm hearing here is do it again

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 3:08 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
If he wants the credit, let him have it, or he’ll have to do it again.  I’m 
thinking of another of my dad’s stories when I was a kid.  Remember, he was in 
the food industry.

Supposedly at a plant that made sausage or some other ground meat product, 
several burly guys would literally shovel the trimmed cuts of meat into the 
hopper of a giant grinder.  And the shovel handles would get slippery due to 
the fat in the meat.  And one day one of the burly guys lost his grip on the 
shovel and it went into the grinder and got ground up with the meat.  So the 
whole batch had to be thrown out and the grinder cleaned.

So the next day, the big boss from corporate came down and went on a tirade in 
front of the crew of burly guys, ending with “How could you do something so 
stupid?”  At which point the person responsible shouts back “Like this!” and 
threw another shovel into the grinder.

I can’t guarantee that my dad’s stories weren’t embellished.  At the time, I 
took them all at face value.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

Unfortunately Chuck said he’s assigning it all to you……..  I kind of thought it 
was a group effort though.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

i blame jaime

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:28 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
You’re claiming all the credit for that?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

were you here when i broke afmug?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking lent.

Stock markets going to crash ... lent
Hurricane response ... lent
National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent

Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to talk 
about them without getting all melty about it.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
Lent

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
national preparedness?

On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every state
> demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or
> not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its
> literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he has
> people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the chain
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert 
> mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
> instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
> excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it...
> Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
> the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>
> On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
>> the ability to perform such good testing...
>>
>> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[James Howard]

I’ve never been to England but how could warm beer possibly spoil?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 3:21 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

So in today's BEER news:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8213855/FIFTY-MILLION-pints-beer-cider-poured-drain-warns-CAMRA.html


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf 
Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 2:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

It's not popular but Dos Equis Dark on Tap ( maybe because it's a keg )
has always been a favorite of mine... BEER we can always argue about BEER

On 04/14/2020 11:38 AM, James Howard wrote:
> There are obviously some pretty strong opinions held by a number of
> people here about politics. It is hard to resist responding to some
> of the statements that are very much the opposite of your own view.
> That clearly is the case for both sides. I imagine the people who
> tend to straddle the fence probably wonder why it’s such a hot-button
> thing for some.
>
> In any case though, it’s just a good thing that Jaime’s Mexican beer
> of choice isn’t Corona or we’d really be in trouble…….. (I’ve gotta
> say that of all the Mexican beers I’ve had I do prefer Tecate to the
> others…. Only had 5 or 6 different brands though)
>
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl
> Peterson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
> Yes, I've been here for a long time. Obviously it is Chuck's list and
> Chuck's rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve)
> and avoiding politics while still discussing the real world. As of
> late it seems that everything has been politicised and to continue
> lent really limits discussion. Before you know it we won't be able to
> talk about Tecate because it comes from Mexico or Fries because they are 
> French.
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones 
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> > 
> wrote:
>
> were you here when i broke afmug?
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson
> mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> 
> > 
> wrote:
>
> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything
> without breaking lent.
>
> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
>
> Hurricane response ... lent
>
> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
>
> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should
> be able to talk about them without getting all melty about it.
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> > wrote:
>
> Lent
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree. That
> would be like
> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.
> Sorry but
> United States MEANS coordination at a national level. They
> should have
> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't
> available to
> nowhere. Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a
> national
> level. Our Federal government has been a joke through all
> this and is
> become more so. The CDC sent out initial test kits that
> the states had
> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.
> The CDC
> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.
> Steve, you
> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.
> I surely
> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have
> _some_
> national preparedness?
>
> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > you saw what happened with the "united states" on
> ventilators, every state
> > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they
> need them or
> > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing
> game. its
> > literally the governor of each states responsibility to
> make sure he has
> > people in place to make sure systems operate and
> communicate up the chain
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert
> mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> 
> 
> >  >> 
> wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of breaking Lent.. I wish we were the
> United States
> > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use
> some of it's
> > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they
> don't need it...
> > Seems a waste to not

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Re: [AFMUG] EBS status for school districts

[Steve Jones]

That's what I'm concerned about.  The window is thin to get into it. I know
zero about it. Given the current state of affairs, it would be ideal for
that auction to halt. We are positioned to partner with districts today and
solve any remaining gaps in rural education connectivity. It's going to pop
up come the 2020/2021 school year. In a perfect world, EBS would move to a
reserved public/private partnership state. Not a lease for pay state. ie
it's only available to school districts or ISPs willing to prioritize
education connections in exchange for access to that districts lease.

Speaking of that. Are districts default entitled to x mhz?  How does that
work. We have two districts in my town. Do each get some or do they share
and have to agree to sale/lease?



On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 2:05 PM Eric Nielsen  wrote:

> Keep in mind that this band will be auctioned in the coming months. School
> districts are selling their EBS licenses pretty regularly since the band
> can legally be owned by commercial entities now. They’re charging a premium
> for licenses and leases.
>
> Comsearch can generate interactive maps showing the percentage each
> block’s availability in each county of interest.
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> If a guy wanted to find out what spectrum is available to a school
>> district, where would the guy start to look? I assume ULS, but I
>> wouldnt know where to begin even
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Re: [AFMUG] EBS status for school districts

[Eric Nielsen]

>From my understanding, the educational entities had to have requested
and been assigned a license back when the FCC was issuing them. If they
don't currently have a license they're out of luck, as the band is being
repurposed for commercial use.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 6:03 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> That's what I'm concerned about.  The window is thin to get into it. I
> know zero about it. Given the current state of affairs, it would be ideal
> for that auction to halt. We are positioned to partner with districts today
> and solve any remaining gaps in rural education connectivity. It's going to
> pop up come the 2020/2021 school year. In a perfect world, EBS would move
> to a reserved public/private partnership state. Not a lease for pay state.
> ie it's only available to school districts or ISPs willing to prioritize
> education connections in exchange for access to that districts lease.
>
> Speaking of that. Are districts default entitled to x mhz?  How does that
> work. We have two districts in my town. Do each get some or do they share
> and have to agree to sale/lease?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 2:05 PM Eric Nielsen  wrote:
>
>> Keep in mind that this band will be auctioned in the coming months.
>> School districts are selling their EBS licenses pretty regularly since the
>> band can legally be owned by commercial entities now. They’re charging a
>> premium for licenses and leases.
>>
>> Comsearch can generate interactive maps showing the percentage each
>> block’s availability in each county of interest.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If a guy wanted to find out what spectrum is available to a school
>>> district, where would the guy start to look? I assume ULS, but I
>>> wouldnt know where to begin even
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Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

[Peter Kranz via AF]

You may want to consider Arista w/ flexroute for full routes. The 7280SR 
platform is 48 10G ports + 6 100G ports.

 

Peter Kranz
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:14 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

 

I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two CCR1072-1G-8s+ 
routers and have had stability problems with random reboots over the last year 
of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80 platform but do not know 
anything about their licensing (looking at used ones that I can get for about 
$5k). I also do not know what other options are out there.

I am needing 10G ports

Support for OSPF

Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers

MPLS would be nice

Support VLANs

Support for various MTU sizes

 

Thank you,

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[AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[Ken Hohhof]

We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it's a 45 or 50 ft
probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much
90 degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on
this tower for licensed.

 

The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to
file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.

 

By doing so, are we opening Pandora's box, where they tell us not only is
our request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for
20 years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking
the question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz
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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[Mark Radabaugh]

I doubt it will be much of an issue.  It may already be on the approach charts 
and factored into the airport approaches already even without an ASR.   The 
process will take some time but I wouldn’t expect it to be a big deal.

Go to www.airnav.com , look up the airport.  See if it 
has any IAPs - Instrument procedures listed.  Download the pdf and see if you 
see the tower on it.

The towers are the ^ symbols with the MSL (Sea Level Height) of the top of the 
tower.

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft 
> probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much 90 
> degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on this 
> tower for licensed.
>  
> The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to 
> file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.
>  
> By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is our 
> request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for 20 
> years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking the 
> question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz 
> interference?
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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[chuck]

First study up on the allowable tower heights and distances from the runway.  
If it is in violation just keep your mouth shut.  As I recall the slopes are 
worse off the ends but I have a faulty memory.

If you are under the inverted cone with clearance you can file and you will get 
it, but you may have to do some NEPA crap to prove you did not dig up an indian 
grave when you put it in.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft 
probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much 90 
degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on this 
tower for licensed.

 

The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to 
file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.

 

By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is our 
request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for 20 
years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking the 
question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz 
interference?




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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[chuck]

https://hamradioschool.com/g1b01-maximum-antenna-structure-height/

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft 
probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much 90 
degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on this 
tower for licensed.

 

The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to 
file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.

 

By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is our 
request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for 20 
years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking the 
question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz 
interference?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: lunch

[chuck]

Well, there can’t be too much shame for a dad that makes his kids do homework.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: lunch

Supper 
A fine pilsner with choice hops from Pacific northwest as well as noble Saaz 
hops. I have the guy at the gas station gently chill it. Goes well with a side 
of pall mall and shame.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 4:56 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Chicken breast cut up and cooked until brown in a bit of oil and butter, 
Campbell's Cream of Mushroom warmed up and poured over white rice and 
chickenwith an ice cold bubbly...yum 

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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Part of the ASR is frequency coordination with the airport.

As long as you're not actually causing a hazard to air traffic they'll most
likely approve it.   If they don't approve it, I'm not sure what the
process is.

However at 45-50 ft, the chances of them caring about the height is so
close to zero that the risk is very low.

Our policy at the WISP is that every tower has to either have an ASR OR
have a printed out determination from TOWAIR that it is not needed.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft
> probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much
> 90 degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on
> this tower for licensed.
>
>
>
> The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need
> to file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the
> FAA.
>
>
>
> By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is
> our request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for
> 20 years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking
> the question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz
> interference?
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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[chuck]

If you are farther than 2500’ from the runway you are good.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft 
probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much 90 
degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on this 
tower for licensed.

 

The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to 
file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.

 

By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is our 
request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for 20 
years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking the 
question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz 
interference?




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Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

[Mark Frost]

As others have mentioned, its really hard to go past the MX204.

MX80s could get you started, but if you’re trying to pull down anything more 
than a default route plus maybe some IX routes, it’ll be like watching paint 
dry…

From: AF  On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 08:19
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

You may want to consider Arista w/ flexroute for full routes. The 7280SR 
platform is 48 10G ports + 6 100G ports.

Peter Kranz
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pkr...@unwiredltd.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gilbert Gutierrez
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:14 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Edge Router Options

I am looking to move away from Microtik on my edge. I have two CCR1072-1G-8s+ 
routers and have had stability problems with random reboots over the last year 
of using them. I am thinking of the Juniper MX80 platform but do not know 
anything about their licensing (looking at used ones that I can get for about 
$5k). I also do not know what other options are out there.

I am needing 10G ports
Support for OSPF
Support for BGP full routes from multiple carriers
MPLS would be nice
Support VLANs
Support for various MTU sizes

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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[Ken Hohhof]

Thanks.  Very cool, although lots of information in a language I don’t speak.  
I don’t think our tower is on the pdf.  The ones that are called out are more 
like 200-400 feet tall.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

 

I doubt it will be much of an issue.  It may already be on the approach charts 
and factored into the airport approaches already even without an ASR.   The 
process will take some time but I wouldn’t expect it to be a big deal.

 

Go to www.airnav.com  , look up the airport.  See if it 
has any IAPs - Instrument procedures listed.  Download the pdf and see if you 
see the tower on it.

 

The towers are the ^ symbols with the MSL (Sea Level Height) of the top of the 
tower.

 

Mark





On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft 
probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much 90 
degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on this 
tower for licensed.

 

The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to 
file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.

 

By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is our 
request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for 20 
years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking the 
question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz 
interference?

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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[Mark Radabaugh]

Those numbers in the link are the ones that determine if you need to check 
further.This is the procedure design manual 

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/FAA_Order_8260.3D1.pdf 


It gets very detailed in how the clearances are determined.   Makes me happy to 
know the amount of detail that goes into making sure if I follow the procedures 
while flying in the clouds I don’t run into things.

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:08 PM,   wrote:
> 
> https://hamradioschool.com/g1b01-maximum-antenna-structure-height/ <>
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof <>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:47 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
> Subject: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower
>  
> We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft 
> probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much 90 
> degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on this 
> tower for licensed.
>  
> The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to 
> file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.
>  
> By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is our 
> request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for 20 
> years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking the 
> question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz 
> interference?
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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[Lewis Bergman]

The FAA had a tool to determine if you have to file.
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/gisTools/gisAction.jsp?action=showNoNoticeRequiredToolForm

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 5:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft
> probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much
> 90 degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on
> this tower for licensed.
>
>
>
> The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need
> to file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the
> FAA.
>
>
>
> By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is
> our request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for
> 20 years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking
> the question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz
> interference?
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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[chuck]

Unless you are scud running... I Follow Railroads.  
I don’t do it anymore by my former business partner loved to do this.  Scared 
the crap out of me.  So I got an IFR ticket so I never had to do that again.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

Those numbers in the link are the ones that determine if you need to check 
further.This is the procedure design manual  

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/FAA_Order_8260.3D1.pdf

It gets very detailed in how the clearances are determined.   Makes me happy to 
know the amount of detail that goes into making sure if I follow the procedures 
while flying in the clouds I don’t run into things.

Mark


  On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:08 PM,   wrote:

  https://hamradioschool.com/g1b01-maximum-antenna-structure-height/

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:47 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

  We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft 
probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much 90 
degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on this 
tower for licensed.
   
  The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to 
file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.
   
  By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is our 
request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for 20 
years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking the 
question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz 
interference?


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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[Mark Radabaugh]

IFR is just a different way to scare the crap out of yourself :-)

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:47 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> Unless you are scud running... I Follow Railroads.  
> I don’t do it anymore by my former business partner loved to do this.  Scared 
> the crap out of me.  So I got an IFR ticket so I never had to do that again.  
>  
> From: Mark Radabaugh <>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:38 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower
>  
> Those numbers in the link are the ones that determine if you need to check 
> further.This is the procedure design manual  
>  
> https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/FAA_Order_8260.3D1.pdf 
> 
>  
> It gets very detailed in how the clearances are determined.   Makes me happy 
> to know the amount of detail that goes into making sure if I follow the 
> procedures while flying in the clouds I don’t run into things.
>  
> Mark
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:08 PM, < <>ch...@wbmfg.com > < 
>> <>ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:
>>  
>>  <>https://hamradioschool.com/g1b01-maximum-antenna-structure-height/ 
>> 
>>  
>> From: Ken Hohhof <>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:47 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower
>>  
>> We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft 
>> probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much 
>> 90 degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on 
>> this tower for licensed.
>>  
>> The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to 
>> file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.
>>  
>> By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is 
>> our request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for 
>> 20 years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking 
>> the question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz 
>> interference?
>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[chuck]

During my years of actually flying in the clouds, I would only do a climb until 
I was in the sunshine.  Then a dive and drive type of let down.  I never shot 
to minimums, never did ILS.  Just wanted to fly in the sunshine but not be 
hampered by overcast.  I did come down and pick up a bunch of ice once but for 
the most part it was uneventful.  

Have not been in the clouds in years.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

IFR is just a different way to scare the crap out of yourself :-) 

Mark



  On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:47 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Unless you are scud running... I Follow Railroads.  
  I don’t do it anymore by my former business partner loved to do this.  Scared 
the crap out of me.  So I got an IFR ticket so I never had to do that again.  

  From: Mark Radabaugh
  Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 5:38 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

  Those numbers in the link are the ones that determine if you need to check 
further.This is the procedure design manual   

  https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/FAA_Order_8260.3D1.pdf

  It gets very detailed in how the clearances are determined.   Makes me happy 
to know the amount of detail that goes into making sure if I follow the 
procedures while flying in the clouds I don’t run into things.

  Mark


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:08 PM,   wrote:

https://hamradioschool.com/g1b01-maximum-antenna-structure-height/

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft 
probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much 90 
degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on this 
tower for licensed.
 
The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to 
file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.
 
By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is 
our request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for 20 
years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking the 
question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz 
interference?



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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[Ken Hohhof]

I have a TOWAIR report from Micronet, is that the same thing I’d get from that 
form?

It references a 100:1 slope, Chuck’s post seemed to imply 50:1, if he says a 50 
ft tower needs to be 2500 ft from the runway.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

 

The FAA had a tool to determine if you have to file.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/gisTools/gisAction.jsp?action=showNoNoticeRequiredToolForm

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 5:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft 
probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much 90 
degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on this 
tower for licensed.

 

The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to 
file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.

 

By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is our 
request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for 20 
years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking the 
question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz 
interference?

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[AFMUG] pilot news

[Ken Hohhof]

Not sure if this is pilot related or violates "Lent".

https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/faa-bars-active-pilots-from-taking-ch
loroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-to-prevent-coronavirus/article_bcb7e4d3-21d
0-5391-8228-f1b949c9372d.html

 

Apparently they feel that sudden cardiac arrest of a pilot could cause
passengers to have a bad day.

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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[chuck]

Depends on how far you are away.  A steeper angle near the airport.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:02 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

I have a TOWAIR report from Micronet, is that the same thing I’d get from that 
form?

It references a 100:1 slope, Chuck’s post seemed to imply 50:1, if he says a 50 
ft tower needs to be 2500 ft from the runway.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

 

The FAA had a tool to determine if you have to file.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/gisTools/gisAction.jsp?action=showNoNoticeRequiredToolForm

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 5:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft 
probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much 90 
degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on this 
tower for licensed.

   

  The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need to 
file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the FAA.

   

  By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is our 
request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for 20 
years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking the 
question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz 
interference?

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Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower

[Lewis Bergman]

I don't know what that report says. Maybe. I just know if you fill it out
it tells you if you have to file a notice (apply for an ASR)
The general requirement is 1 foot verticle for every 100 for horizontal off
the end of the runway in a fan 30 degrees from the centreline. There is one
other fan measure along the length and a different one along the
perpendicular. The easiest way to determine if you need to file is to use
the tool. It only takes a few minutes and doesn't require a login. They
don't chase anything down even if it says you require notice mostly because
most people use it before they build.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 7:03 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have a TOWAIR report from Micronet, is that the same thing I’d get from
> that form?
>
> It references a 100:1 slope, Chuck’s post seemed to imply 50:1, if he says
> a 50 ft tower needs to be 2500 ft from the runway.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:45 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TOWAIR and ASR for existing tower
>
>
>
> The FAA had a tool to determine if you have to file.
>
>
> https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/gisTools/gisAction.jsp?action=showNoNoticeRequiredToolForm
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 5:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> We have a tower next to a commercial building, I think it’s a 45 or 50 ft
> probably Rohn 45G.  It is near a smallish regional airport but pretty much
> 90 degrees to the runway.  We need to swap out the 5 GHz backhaul links on
> this tower for licensed.
>
>
>
> The frequency coordinator is telling us that according to TOWAIR we need
> to file for an ASR, I assume they mean not just with the FCC but with the
> FAA.
>
>
>
> By doing so, are we opening Pandora’s box, where they tell us not only is
> our request denied, we have to take down the tower that has been there for
> 20 years?  Is this one of those things where we will really regret asking
> the question and should have just kept quiet and suffered with the 5 GHz
> interference?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] pilot news

[Steve Jones]

Man, it would suck If .1 percent of bbn pilots had a cardiac event.
Better to have them fly on a ventilator

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 7:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not sure if this is pilot related or violates “Lent”.
>
>
> https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/faa-bars-active-pilots-from-taking-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-to-prevent-coronavirus/article_bcb7e4d3-21d0-5391-8228-f1b949c9372d.html
>
>
>
> Apparently they feel that sudden cardiac arrest of a pilot could cause
> passengers to have a bad day.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

[Mathew Howard]

I agree! That's a horrible thing to say about a cesspool!

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 1:39 PM James Howard  wrote:

> FakeBook is a cesspool?   What an insult!   How could you say something
> like that?!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:33 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
>
>
>
> Lunch is good, but FB is a cesspool.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/14/2020 11:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > We can always talk about lunch.
> >
> > If you want political discourse there are FB pages that will be happy
> > to host the comments.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:12 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
> >
> > I have to agree with Chuck, it is a WISP centric list and we devolve
> > into some pretty nasty talk without constraints...  BTDT...
> >
> > On 04/14/2020 11:08 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> >> IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without
> >> breaking lent.
> >>
> >> Stock markets going to crash ... lent
> >> Hurricane response ... lent
> >> National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
> >>
> >> Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be
> >> able to talk about them without getting all melty about it.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM  >> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Lent
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Robert Andrews
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com  
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
> >>
> >> You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be
> >> like
> >> every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally. Sorry but
> >> United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They
> >> should have
> >> set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't
> >> available to
> >> nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
> >> level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this
> >> and is
> >> become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the
> >> states had
> >> to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The
> >> CDC
> >> had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.
> >> Steve, you
> >> are about to have the worst of the worst in your location. I surely
> >> hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
> >> national preparedness?
> >>
> >> On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>  > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators,
> >> every state
> >>  > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need
> >> them or
> >>  > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game.
> >> its
> >>  > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure
> >> he has
> >>  > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up
> >> the chain
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert  >>  
> >>  >  mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> 
> >> wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  > At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United
> >> States
> >>  > instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of
> >> it's
> >>  > excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need
> >> it...
> >>  > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
> >>  > relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to
> >> see what
> >>  > the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
> >>  >
> >>  > On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
> >>  >> That's some very interesting numbers...   And way
> >> interesting is
> >>  >> the ability to perform such good testing...
> >>  >>
> >>  >> On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <
> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
> >> >
>  wrote:
> >>  >>> From Utah:
> >>  >>> SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re
> >> seeing
> >>  >>> a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and
> >> they don’t
> >>  >>> know why.
> >>  >>> “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
> >>  >>> figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with
> >> the Utah
> >>  >>> Department of Health.
> >>  >>> Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on
> >> Monday — a
> >>  >>> smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new
> >> cases
> >>  >>> bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of
> >> 45,787
> >>  >>> people tested.
> >>  >>>