I can name names of people that are at the polar extremes of political opinion 
here.
If one posts, then the opposite end feels a need to post and then it is never 
ending.  
You are right that there is no clean delineation between the world and the 
world of politics.
My facts are tinfoil delusions to you.   So we attempt to practice kindness.

Similar to invoking godwin, we invoke Lent at times.

Just reminds us all that our opinions are very likely odious to someone else, 
so let’s not stink up the place.  
We have been pretty good at self policing, but calling us adults?  Come on man, 
that is a stretch.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously it is Chuck's list and Chuck's 
rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve) and avoiding 
politics while still discussing the real world.  As of late it seems that 
everything has been politicised and to continue lent really limits discussion.  
Before you know it we won't be able to talk about Tecate because it comes from 
Mexico or Fries because they are French.  


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

  were you here when i broke afmug?

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> 
wrote:

    IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything without breaking 
lent.   

    Stock markets going to crash ... lent
    Hurricane response ... lent
    National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent  

    Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should be able to 
talk about them without getting all melty about it.   

    On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

      Lent

      -----Original Message----- 
      From: Robert Andrews
      Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
      To: af@af.afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

      You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That would be like
      every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally.   Sorry but
      United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They should have
      set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't available to
      nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a national
      level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all this and is
      become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that the states had
      to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work.   The CDC
      had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago.   Steve, you
      are about to have the worst of the worst in your location.  I surely
      hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have _some_
      national preparedness?

      On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
      > you saw what happened with the "united states" on ventilators, every 
state 
      > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they need them or 
      > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing game. its 
      > literally the governor of each states responsibility to make sure he 
has 
      > people in place to make sure systems operate and communicate up the 
chain
      >
      >
      > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
      > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
      >
      >     At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the United States
      >     instead of the Competing States and Utah could use some of it's
      >     excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they don't need it... 
      > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there.   Maybe
      >     relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and test to see what
      >     the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
      >
      >     On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
      >>     That's some very interesting numbers...   And way interesting is
      >>     the ability to perform such good testing...
      >>
      >>     On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
      >>>     From Utah:
      >>>     SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday they’re seeing
      >>>     a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus and they don’t
      >>>     know why.
      >>>     “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really trying to
      >>>     figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist with the Utah
      >>>     Department of Health.
      >>>     Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on Monday — a
      >>>     smaller rise compared to the previous several days. The new cases
      >>>     bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases out of 45,787
      >>>     people tested.
      >>>     An additional 1,500 people have been tested since Sunday,
      >>>     according to the Utah Department of Health. The state is capable
      >>>     of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
      >>>
      >>
      >>
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