So in today's BEER news:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8213855/FIFTY-MILLION-pints-beer-cider-poured-drain-warns-CAMRA.html


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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 2:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing

It's not popular but Dos Equis Dark on Tap ( maybe because it's a keg ) 
has always been a favorite of mine...    BEER we can always argue about BEER

On 04/14/2020 11:38 AM, James Howard wrote:
> There are obviously some pretty strong opinions held by a number of 
> people here about politics.  It is hard to resist responding to some 
> of the statements that are very much the opposite of your own view.  
> That clearly is the case for both sides.  I imagine the people who 
> tend to straddle the fence probably wonder why it’s such a hot-button 
> thing for some.
> 
> In any case though, it’s just a good thing that Jaime’s Mexican beer 
> of choice isn’t Corona or we’d really be in trouble……..  (I’ve gotta 
> say that of all the Mexican beers I’ve had I do prefer Tecate to the 
> others….  Only had 5 or 6 different brands though)
> 
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl 
> Peterson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
> 
> Yes, I've been here for a long time.  Obviously it is Chuck's list and 
> Chuck's rules but I'd argue for being adults about it (Sorry Steve) 
> and avoiding politics while still discussing the real world.  As of 
> late it seems that everything has been politicised and to continue 
> lent really limits discussion.  Before you know it we won't be able to 
> talk about Tecate because it comes from Mexico or Fries because they are 
> French.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     were you here when i broke afmug?
> 
>     On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson
>     <cpeter...@portnetworks.com <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
> 
>         IT is pretty ridiculous that we can't talk about anything
>         without breaking lent.
> 
>         Stock markets going to crash ... lent
> 
>         Hurricane response ... lent
> 
>         National preparedness for a pandemic ... lent
> 
>         Facts still matter, or at least I think they do, and we should
>         be able to talk about them without getting all melty about it.
> 
>         On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com
>         <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> 
>             Lent
> 
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: Robert Andrews
>             Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:45 AM
>             To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>             Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT virus testing
> 
>             You and I are going to have to agree to disagree.   That
>             would be like
>             every state negotiating their own tariffs internationally. 
>               Sorry but
>             United States MEANS coordination at a national level.   They
>             should have
>             set up a means to determine need and then sent what wasn't
>             available to
>             nowhere.   Come ON there was no prep for this, nothing at a
>             national
>             level.  Our Federal government has been a joke through all
>             this and is
>             become more so.   The CDC sent out initial test kits that
>             the states had
>             to go behind their back to determine that they didn't work. 
>               The CDC
>             had gotten it's pandemic response group removed a year ago. 
>               Steve, you
>             are about to have the worst of the worst in your location. 
>             I surely
>             hope you come out ok, but wouldn't it have been nice to have
>             _some_
>             national preparedness?
> 
>             On 04/14/2020 10:29 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>              > you saw what happened with the "united states" on
>             ventilators, every state
>              > demanded the feds give them every ventilator whether they
>             need them or
>              > not. The feds need to stay completely out of the testing
>             game. its
>              > literally the governor of each states responsibility to
>             make sure he has
>              > people in place to make sure systems operate and
>             communicate up the chain
>              >
>              >
>              > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM Robert
>             <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
>              > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com
>             <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> wrote:
>              >
>              >     At the risk of breaking Lent..   I wish we were the
>             United States
>              >     instead of the Competing States and Utah could use
>             some of it's
>              >     excess capacity to help out elsewhere while they
>             don't need it...
>              > Seems a waste to not use that capacity while it's there. 
>               Maybe
>              >     relax the restrictions and chase down contacts and
>             test to see what
>              >     the asymptomatic case profile looks like...
>              >
>              >     On 4/14/20 8:32 AM, Robert wrote:
>              >>     That's some very interesting numbers...   And way
>             interesting is
>              >>     the ability to perform such good testing...
>              >>
>              >>     On 4/14/20 8:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
>             <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
>             <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>              >>>     From Utah:
>              >>>     SALT LAKE CITY — Utah health officials said Monday
>             they’re seeing
>              >>>     a low demand for testing for the new coronavirus
>             and they don’t
>              >>>     know why.
>              >>>     “That’s the million-dollar question. We’re really
>             trying to
>              >>>     figure out,” said Dr. Angela Dunn, epidemiologist
>             with the Utah
>              >>>     Department of Health.
>              >>>     Utah reported 60 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 on
>             Monday — a
>              >>>     smaller rise compared to the previous several days.
>             The new cases
>              >>>     bring the state’s tally up to 2,363 confirmed cases
>             out of 45,787
>              >>>     people tested.
>              >>>     An additional 1,500 people have been tested since
>             Sunday,
>              >>>     according to the Utah Department of Health. The
>             state is capable
>              >>>     of administering up to 5,000 tests per day.
>              >>>
>              >>
>              >>
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