On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to >>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>>>>> than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; >>>>>>>> delsp=yes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>> rocks) >>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>> Abit >>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty >>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these >>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications >>>>>>>> circuit >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Message: 4 >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price between >>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS >>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these >>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* make >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the >>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at >>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually >>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on my >>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Message: 7 >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you >>>>>>>> judge >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles >>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom >>>>>>>> back, >>>>>>>> 4W >>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. However >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free, >>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Message: 8 >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still >>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known >>>>>>>> british >>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL >>>>>>>> (Windows >>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>>>>>>> manufacturers >>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA >>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these >>>>>>>> tests. >>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development >>>>>>>> program) >>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get >>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>> piece >>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux >>>>>>>> support. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>> joke. 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