On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> On 12/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to >>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>> than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> URL: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 2 >>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>>>>> built >>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>> >>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>> >>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>>>>> Abit >>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>>> They >>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>> >>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>> >>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I >>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>> >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 3 >>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I >>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>> modern >>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>>> desktop, >>>>> this board: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>> >>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system >>>>> runs >>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big >>>>> rig >>>>> machines use. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gav Ford >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications circuit >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: not available >>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>> Url : >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 4 >>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>> >>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>>>>> > built >>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>> > >>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>>>>> > Abit >>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>>> > They >>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rob, >>>>> >>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Chris >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> URL: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 5 >>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price between >>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS etc. >>>>> >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 6 >>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>>> modern >>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>>>> desktop, >>>>>> this board: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>> >>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system >>>>>> runs >>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big >>>>>> rig >>>>>> machines use. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* make >>>>> use >>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the system >>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at >>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually used >>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I don't >>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on my >>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>> >>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently running >>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading this.... >>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>> >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 7 >>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>> running >>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>> this.... >>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>> >>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you judge >>>>> on >>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine. >>>>> >>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles that. >>>>> >>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom back, >>>>> 4W >>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. However >>>>> that >>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free, open >>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gav Ford >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: not available >>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>> Url : >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 8 >>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>> > money >>>>>>> > built >>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>> > good >>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>>>> > They >>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob, >>>>>> >>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known >>>>> british >>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL >>>>> (Windows >>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>>>> manufacturers >>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>> >>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA >>>>> card >>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these >>>>> tests. >>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development >>>>> program) >>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>> >>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get every >>>>> piece >>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on >>>>> the >>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work for >>>>> the >>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux >>>>> support. >>>>> >>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like some >>>>> cheap >>>>> joke. 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