On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On 12/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to >>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>> 7. 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Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>>>> built >>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>> >>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>> >>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>>>> Abit >>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>> They >>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>> >>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>> >>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I >>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I >>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>> >>>> >>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a modern >>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>> desktop, >>>> this board: >>>> >>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>> >>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system >>>> runs >>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big >>>> rig >>>> machines use. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gav Ford >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications circuit >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: not available >>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>> Url : >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>>>> > built >>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>> > >>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>> > >>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>>>> > Abit >>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>> > They >>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>> > >>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> Rob, >>>> >>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Chris >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 5 >>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Chris >>>> >>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price between >>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS etc. >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 6 >>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>> >>>> gav wrote: >>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>> modern >>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>>> desktop, >>>>> this board: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>> >>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system >>>>> runs >>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big >>>>> rig >>>>> machines use. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* make use >>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the system >>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at >>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually used >>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I don't >>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on my >>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>> >>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently running >>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading this.... >>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 7 >>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently running >>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading this.... >>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>> >>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you judge on >>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine. >>>> >>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles that. >>>> >>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom back, 4W >>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. However that >>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free, open >>>> driver 3D support. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gav Ford >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: not available >>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>> Url : >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 8 >>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>> >>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>>>>> > built >>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>> > >>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>>>>> > Abit >>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>>> > They >>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rob, >>>>> >>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>> >>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known >>>> british >>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL >>>> (Windows >>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>>> manufacturers >>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>> >>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA card >>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these >>>> tests. >>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development >>>> program) >>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>> >>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get every >>>> piece >>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on the >>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work for >>>> the >>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux >>>> support. >>>> >>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like some >>>> cheap >>>> joke. 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