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Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; >>>>>>>>>>>> delsp=yes >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>> Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still >>>>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty >>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're >>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on >>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications >>>>>>>>>>>> circuit >>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 4 >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still >>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price >>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from >>>>>>>>>>>> MSI/Gigabite/ASUS >>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on >>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* >>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the >>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle >>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually >>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on >>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 7 >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you >>>>>>>>>>>> judge >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the >>>>>>>>>>>> machine. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it >>>>>>>>>>>> handles >>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom >>>>>>>>>>>> back, >>>>>>>>>>>> 4W >>>>>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. >>>>>>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle >>>>>>>>>>>> free, >>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 8 >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well >>>>>>>>>>>> known >>>>>>>>>>>> british >>>>>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. >>>>>>>>>>>> WHQL >>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows >>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers >>>>>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, >>>>>>>>>>>> VGA >>>>>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with >>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>> tests. >>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market >>>>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>>> program) >>>>>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get >>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>> piece >>>>>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put >>>>>>>>>>>> pressure >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it >>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at >>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>> support. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like >>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>>>>>> joke. 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