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Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> delsp=yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> communications >>>>>>>>>>>>>> circuit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSI/Gigabite/ASUS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *could* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat >>>>>>>>>>>>>> idle >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> back, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4W >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle >>>>>>>>>>>>>> free, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well >>>>>>>>>>>>>> known >>>>>>>>>>>>>> british >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHQL >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>>>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VGA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market >>>>>>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>>>>> program) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke. 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