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Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; >>>>>>>>>>>>> delsp=yes >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're >>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on >>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications >>>>>>>>>>>>> circuit >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price >>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from >>>>>>>>>>>>> MSI/Gigabite/ASUS >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* >>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the >>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat >>>>>>>>>>>>> idle >>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that >>>>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you >>>>>>>>>>>>> judge >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> machine. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it >>>>>>>>>>>>> handles >>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom >>>>>>>>>>>>> back, >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4W >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. >>>>>>>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle >>>>>>>>>>>>> free, >>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well >>>>>>>>>>>>> known >>>>>>>>>>>>> british >>>>>>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> WHQL >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers >>>>>>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, >>>>>>>>>>>>> VGA >>>>>>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with >>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> tests. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market >>>>>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>>>> program) >>>>>>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get >>>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>>> piece >>>>>>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put >>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it >>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at >>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>> support. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look >>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>>>>>>> joke. 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