On 12/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) > 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) > 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) > 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) > 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) > 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) > 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) > 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 > From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 > From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice > To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>> >> >> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >> built >> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >> >> Decent Abit mainboard >> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >> dual layer DVD-+RW >> 19" wide HannsG monitor >> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >> >> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >> Abit >> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >> They >> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >> >> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >> > > I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't > remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. > > I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick > (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the > Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I > could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also > pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now > sitting in my wife's PC). > > Rob > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 > From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice > To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I >> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >> sitting in my wife's PC). > > > I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a modern > Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my desktop, > this board: > > http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 > > Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system runs > with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big rig > machines use. > > -- > Gav Ford > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk > I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications circuit > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 197 bytes > Desc: Digital signature > Url : > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 > From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice > To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >> >> >> > >> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >> > built >> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >> > >> > Decent Abit mainboard >> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >> > dual layer DVD-+RW >> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >> > >> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >> > Abit >> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >> > They >> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >> > >> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >> > >> >> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. > > >> Rob >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >> > > Rob, > > You're probably referring to this: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 > > Regards > Chris > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 > From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice > To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Chris Coulson wrote: >> >> You're probably referring to this: >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >> >> Regards >> Chris > > Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price between > some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS etc. > > Rob > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 > From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice > To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > gav wrote: >> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a modern >> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >> desktop, >> this board: >> >> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >> >> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system runs >> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big rig >> machines use. >> >> > I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* make use > of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the system > monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at > about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually used > more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I don't > think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on my > other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. > > I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently running > an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading this.... > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html > > Rob > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 > From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice > To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently running >> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading this.... >> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html > > The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you judge on > the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine. > > I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles that. > > From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom back, 4W > for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. However that > chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free, open > driver 3D support. > > -- > Gav Ford > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk > I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 197 bytes > Desc: Digital signature > Url : > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 > From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice > To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> >>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>> >> >>> > >>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>> > built >>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>> > >>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>> > >>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>> > Abit >>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>> > They >>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>> > >>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>> > >>> >>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >> >> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>> >> >> Rob, >> >> You're probably referring to this: >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >> >> Regards >> Chris >> > > Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known british > PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL (Windows > Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware manufacturers > to break support for Linux or any other OS. > > There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA card > BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these tests. > Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development program) > if your stuff was all WHQL certified. > > Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get every piece > of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on the > hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work for the > Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux > support. > > It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like some cheap > joke. Open standards are their enemy. > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > ubuntu-uk mailing list > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > > > End of ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2 > **************************************** >
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