On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 12/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to >>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes >>> >>> >>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>>> built >>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>> >>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>> >>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>>> Abit >>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>> They >>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>> >>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>> >>> >>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>> >>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I >>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I >>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>> >>> >>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a modern >>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>> desktop, >>> this board: >>> >>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>> >>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system >>> runs >>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big rig >>> machines use. >>> >>> -- >>> Gav Ford >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications circuit >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: not available >>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>> Size: 197 bytes >>> Desc: Digital signature >>> Url : >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>> Message-ID: >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>>> >>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>>> > built >>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>> > >>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>> > >>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>>> > Abit >>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>> > They >>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>> > >>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>> > >>>> >>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>> >>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>> >>> >>> Rob, >>> >>> You're probably referring to this: >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>> >>> Regards >>> Chris >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>> >>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Chris >>> >>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price between >>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS etc. >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> gav wrote: >>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a modern >>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>> desktop, >>>> this board: >>>> >>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>> >>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system >>>> runs >>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big >>>> rig >>>> machines use. >>>> >>>> >>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* make use >>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the system >>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at >>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually used >>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I don't >>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on my >>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>> >>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently running >>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading this.... >>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently running >>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading this.... >>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>> >>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you judge on >>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine. >>> >>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles that. >>> >>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom back, 4W >>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. However that >>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free, open >>> driver 3D support. >>> >>> -- >>> Gav Ford >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: not available >>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>> Size: 197 bytes >>> Desc: Digital signature >>> Url : >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>>>> > built >>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>> > >>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>> > >>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>>>> > Abit >>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>> > They >>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>> > >>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> Rob, >>>> >>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Chris >>>> >>> >>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known british >>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL >>> (Windows >>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>> manufacturers >>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>> >>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA card >>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these >>> tests. >>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development >>> program) >>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>> >>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get every >>> piece >>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on the >>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work for the >>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux >>> support. >>> >>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like some >>> cheap >>> joke. 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