On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> On 12/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to >>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>>> than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> URL: >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>>>>>> built >>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>>>>>> Abit >>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>>>> They >>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I >>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>>> modern >>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>>>> desktop, >>>>>> this board: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>> >>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system >>>>>> runs >>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big >>>>>> rig >>>>>> machines use. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications >>>>>> circuit >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>> Url : >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 4 >>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>> >>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>> > money >>>>>>> > built >>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>> > good >>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>>>> > They >>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob, >>>>>> >>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> URL: >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price between >>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>> >>>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>>>> modern >>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system >>>>>>> runs >>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big >>>>>>> rig >>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* make >>>>>> use >>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the system >>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at >>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually used >>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I don't >>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on my >>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>> running >>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>> this.... >>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 7 >>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>> running >>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>> >>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you judge >>>>>> on >>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles >>>>>> that. >>>>>> >>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom back, >>>>>> 4W >>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. However >>>>>> that >>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free, >>>>>> open >>>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>> Url : >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 8 >>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known >>>>>> british >>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL >>>>>> (Windows >>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>>>>> manufacturers >>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA >>>>>> card >>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these >>>>>> tests. >>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development >>>>>> program) >>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get every >>>>>> piece >>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on >>>>>> the >>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work for >>>>>> the >>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux >>>>>> support. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like some >>>>>> cheap >>>>>> joke. 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