On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 12/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to >>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >>>>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>>>>> than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; >>>>>>>>>> delsp=yes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>>>> rocks) >>>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>> Abit >>>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty >>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty >>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these >>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications >>>>>>>>>> circuit >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Message: 4 >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still >>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price >>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS >>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on >>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these >>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* >>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the >>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually >>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Message: 7 >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you >>>>>>>>>> judge >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the >>>>>>>>>> machine. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles >>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom >>>>>>>>>> back, >>>>>>>>>> 4W >>>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. >>>>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free, >>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Message: 8 >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still >>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known >>>>>>>>>> british >>>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL >>>>>>>>>> (Windows >>>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>>>>>>>>> manufacturers >>>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, >>>>>>>>>> VGA >>>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with >>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>> tests. >>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development >>>>>>>>>> program) >>>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get >>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>> piece >>>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at >>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>> support. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like >>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>>>> joke. 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