On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> On 12/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>> Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to >>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>>>> than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; >>>>>>> delsp=yes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>>>>>>> Abit >>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>>>> modern >>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system >>>>>>> runs >>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big >>>>>>> rig >>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications >>>>>>> circuit >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Message: 4 >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price between >>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these >>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* make >>>>>>> use >>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the system >>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at >>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually used >>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on my >>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>> running >>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Message: 7 >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you judge >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles >>>>>>> that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom back, >>>>>>> 4W >>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. However >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free, >>>>>>> open >>>>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Message: 8 >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known >>>>>>> british >>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL >>>>>>> (Windows >>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>>>>>> manufacturers >>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA >>>>>>> card >>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these >>>>>>> tests. >>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development >>>>>>> program) >>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get every >>>>>>> piece >>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux >>>>>>> support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like some >>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>> joke. 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