Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

"http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property"; I think that it is perfectly OK to map (for example) private buildings not visible from any public place (I posted it also on wiki). 2015-03-03 18:53 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this: > http:

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

Another aspect we need consider is accuracy ? Has the mapper knocked on the door and said "I'm here to inspect your toilet" ? Outside, we can see the traditional "outhouse", but we have no reason to consider it functional. Inner cities here used to have lanes used by the "dunny cart man" who too

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-03-03 18:53 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > >> Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property >> > > > This seems to be written with a certain cultural, legal and politi

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 18:53 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property > This seems to be written with a certain cultural, legal and political background. E.g. there are even people questioning the concept of pri

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

John Willis wrote on 2015-03-03 22:46: On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: 2015-03-03 14:07 GMT+01:00 John Willis mailto:jo...@mac.com>>: Now I'm wondering if there is tags for "boys" & "girls" as well. Off to the wiki... yes, there are a

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

> On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > 2015-03-03 14:07 GMT+01:00 John Willis : >> Now I'm wondering if there is tags for "boys" & "girls" as well. Off to the >> wiki... > > yes, there are already tags for this: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:female > htt

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property > > I'm not sure this fully captures the complexity though.  We want building > outlines and perhaps private swimming pools as landuse indicator

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

Often each hotel room or RV hookup has a water tap, toilet and shower specific to that site. I feel that mapping those goes too far. But that if they are micromapped, the access tag must be used to distinguish them from something a map readers can expect to use. ___

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property I'm not sure this fully captures the complexity though. We want building outlines and perhaps private swimming pools as landuse indicators. OSM does indeed catalog objects available only to

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 14:07 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > Now I'm wondering if there is tags for "boys" & "girls" as well. Off to > the wiki... yes, there are already tags for this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:female https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:male https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 16:52 GMT+01:00 AYTOUN RALPH : > The amenity=toilet is an existing tag for public access amenity and is > rendered on the map. > As toilets do not sit out in the open (except in some continental places > where it is just a modesty wall) but are rather housed in a structure of > some kin

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

I believe there is room for tagging both the amenity and the private toilet where this is deemed a positive study point. The amenity=toilet is an existing tag for public access amenity and is rendered on the map. As toilets do not sit out in the open (except in some continental places where it is j

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

I would remove such objects where I am surveying. In that case I contacted author of tag with information that amenity=toilets is defined as public toilet. 2015-03-03 16:00 GMT+01:00 John F. Eldredge : > However, since someone apparently HAS been mapping private toilets, we > need to either dec

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

To be clear: I contacted DERMAM but I am not expecting reply, account is inactive since 6 months. 2015-03-03 16:09 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > I would remove such objects where I am surveying. In that case I

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

However, since someone apparently HAS been mapping private toilets, we need to either decide to remove them, or decide how they should be tagged to distinguish them from toilets available to the general public. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

If those toilets are private, why do they state if women can use them? Isn't that a private matter up to the owner of the toilette? 2015-03-03 15:04 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring : > On 03/03/2015 13:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> >> On Mar 2, 2015 12:07 PM, "Bryce Nesbitt" >> >

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On 03/03/2015 13:30, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mar 2, 2015 12:07 PM, "Bryce Nesbitt" mailto:bry...@obviously.com>> wrote: > I'm opening a discussion about at least mechanically re-tagging operator:type=private > into "access=no" or "access=private", so that rendering software can choose to omi

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Mar 2, 2015 7:59 PM, "Bryce Nesbitt" wrote: > 3) We already have "access=private", a well established tag. The question is which private things should be excluded from > rendered maps (e.g. toilets), and which ones should show (e.g. buildings). Why not use a faded icon or a red icon for toi

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Mar 2, 2015 12:07 PM, "Bryce Nesbitt" wrote: > I'm opening a discussion about at least mechanically re-tagging operator:type=private > into "access=no" or "access=private", so that rendering software can choose to omit these locations depending on the map purpose. I'm supportive of this chan

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

> On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > 2015-03-03 10:31 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : >> The same can be said for public buildings like the White House, or the halls >> of congress. > > typically those places have different kind of toilets, some thought for > visitors or a m

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 11:17 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > a traveler will ... be expected to...hide behind a bush. > btw.: if there are certain places which for spatial configuration and other factors are ideal for "hiding behind a bush" and you can e.g. smell or see that they are used for this purpose, woul

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:20 AM, David Bannon wrote: > Yes, I guess so. I hate the idea of removing data but honestly, this > data has no place there. Could be quite a task. Is this something that > can be done by approaching the taggers ? I'm assuming there are only a > small set of them ? I've

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 01:52 -0800, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Do people agree with a purge or retag of home toilets that can be > mechanically identified? Yes, I guess so. I hate the idea of removing data but honestly, this data has no place there. Could be quite a task. Is this something that can be

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I would agree, but I cannot imagine how to identify mechanically (i.e. > without knowing the place) which toilets are private home toilets. > A fair number of these were collected using tags like "watsan:toilet_owner=private", and th

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 10:52 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > Do people agree with a purge or retag of home toilets that can be > mechanically identified? I would agree, but I cannot imagine how to identify mechanically (i.e. without knowing the place) which toilets are private home toilets. cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

Toilet in the OSM sense refers to the area where the activity can take place. It's generally tagged on a room or a building. A five star hotel lobby toilet or an outhouse shanty get the same tag, as long as they are open (under give access= rules) for the purpose of elimination. The newish toilet

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 10:31 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > The same can be said for public buildings like the White House, or the > halls of congress. typically those places have different kind of toilets, some thought for visitors or a more general audience, others with more private character. Can also be

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

What are those toilets? Are they little shacks like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pit_latrines_in_Briqueterie_-_des_latrines_%C3%A1_fosses_%C3%A0_la_Briqueterie,_Yaounde_%283447843124%29.jpg If so, then maybe building=toilet could be the best fit. I've been looking at tags from th

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 4:10 GMT+01:00 David Bannon : > I see a problem here, some parts of the world refer to 'toilet' as > meaning only that part you sit on > we shouldn't imply that there is any part to sit on in order to be a toilet. There are lots of toilets with no part to sit on even in the "civil

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-03-02 21:01 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > >> "access=no or access=private do not seem to make much sense" >> Toilet may be open only to to a limited public - in military base, only >> for employees or out of order. > > > > IMHO

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-02 21:01 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > "access=no or access=private do not seem to make much sense" > Toilet may be open only to to a limited public - in military base, only > for employees or out of order. IMHO this doesn't qualify as "open to public" and the tag amenity=toilets shou

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

> On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:10 PM, David Bannon wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 10:44 +0900, John Willis wrote: >> There are all kinds of buildings we map that are completely private (houses, >> for example), yet are visible from publicly accessible places. >> > OK, so perhaps we need to tag onl

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:10 PM, David Bannon wrote: > On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 10:44 +0900, John Willis wrote: > > There are all kinds of buildings we map that are completely private > (houses, for example), yet are visible from publicly accessible places. > > > OK, so perhaps we need to tag only th

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

"Excluding private toilet seems a sane step for a general purpose map." Completely private toilets (especially home toilets) may not be mapped with amenity=toilet, what solves rendering problems. Public toilets with restricted access should be mapped with appropriate access tag. 2015-03-03 2:58

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 10:44 +0900, John Willis wrote: > There are all kinds of buildings we map that are completely private (houses, > for example), yet are visible from publicly accessible places. > OK, so perhaps we need to tag only those private toilets that are completely visible from public

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:44 PM, John Willis wrote: > > On Mar 3, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2) new key ... private=* ? > +1 > If OSM wants to be used in emergency uses or be flexible for odd data > sets, mapping private toilets (or propane ovens, house-top solar pa

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2) new key ... private=* ? > thus change these from amenity=toilet to private=toilet ... also provides for > other 'private' things being entered ..eg swimming pools .. > +1 There are all kinds of b

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On 3/03/2015 8:38 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: There are two issues here: * Use of OSM to store demographic surveys, particularly using tags that imply the feature is public. * The wider issue of mapping within a restricted place. Similar issues occur for amenities inside places (ATM's, AED's,

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

There are two issues here: * Use of OSM to store demographic surveys, particularly using tags that imply the feature is public. * The wider issue of mapping within a restricted place. Similar issues occur for amenities inside places (ATM's, AED's, Bike tool stations, toilets, drinking water). F

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

"access=no or access=private do not seem to make much sense" Toilet may be open only to to a limited public - in military base, only for employees or out of order. 2015-03-02 19:37 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2015-03-02 19:05 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > >> I'm opening a discussion about a

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-02 19:05 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > I'm opening a discussion about at least mechanically re-tagging > operator:type=private > into "access=no" or "access=private", so that rendering software can > choose to omit these locations depending on the map purpose. > according to the wiki, the

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

Hi, the wiki page about amenity=toilet clearly states - in English and German version, that it is used to identify a toilet *open to the public*. As far as I can see, this seems to be the case since at least 2010 (although I didn't check any single one for intermediate differences). The French s

[Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

For developing world demographers, data on home toilets is important. This data periodically gets recorded in Open Street Map. Unfortunately this brings up a number of conflicts, among them the use of a map by a member of the public wishing to use a toilet. Nothing distinguishes a toilet one can