[SAtalk] Announcing 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Craig Hughes
Ok, it's been about a month now since Justin left us to our own devices, and it's time for my first release announcement. There's a complete changelog in the distribution, but here are some highlights: * CHECK method added to the spamc/spamd protocol, and the '-c' flag to spamc * Implemented met

RE: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Michael Moncur
I might be wrong, but I think there's something seriously amiss with the new GA-evolved scores - they don't seem to have an upper boundary (many are 9-10 or so) or a lower (some are negative). Some examples that can't be right: score 25FREEMEGS_URL -4.606 score BE_AMAZED

RE: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Ian R. Justman
On Tue, 2002-02-26 at 20:51, Mike Loiterman wrote: > But the problem I'm encountering is that the process is called > /usr/bin/perl /usr/local/sbin/spamd. The killall command is not > accepting any of the derivatives of that line I give it. For example, > killall spamd, killall /usr/local/sbin/

[SAtalk] bulkers.net

2002-02-27 Thread Justin Mason
Hi all -- some idle time checking the hits at http://jmason.org/logs/current/spamassassin.taint.org/usage_200202.html came up with this referrer: 79 hits from http://www.bulkers.net/members/members2/forums/DCForumID4/1668.html . It looks like bulkers.net is a forum for spammers -- so expect m

[SAtalk] SA in Gentoo Linux! (fwd)

2002-02-27 Thread Justin Mason
Original Message Subject: spamassassin From: Marc Soda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought you'd like to know that your software, spamassassin, has been added to the Gentoo Linux distro. -- Marc Soda ASPRE, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aspre.net/ __

Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Mark
On Tue, 2002-02-26 at 20:51, Mike Loiterman wrote: > But the problem I'm encountering is that the process is called > /usr/bin/perl /usr/local/sbin/spamd. The killall command is not > accepting any of the derivatives of that line I give it. For example, > killall spamd, killall /usr/local/sbin/

Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 01:15:00PM +0100, Mark wrote: > On Tue, 2002-02-26 at 20:51, Mike Loiterman wrote: > Yeah, killall would kill Perl, and all instances of it. Not what you want, > really. How about this? > > kill -TERM `ps ax | grep spamd | egrep -v grep | awk '{print $1}'` ps (whatever)|gr

RE: [SAtalk] HOWTO Setup Outlook To Work With Spamassassin

2002-02-27 Thread Jeffrey Thompson
It's being forwarded to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: "Mike Loiterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [SAtalk] HOWTO Setup Outlook To Work With Spamassassin >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:07:48 -0600 > >Great docs on setting up outlook! Will be

RE: [SAtalk] auto-white-list not working

2002-02-27 Thread Tony Hoyle
-Original Message-From: Mike Loiterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 27 February 2002 00:35To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [SAtalk] auto-white-list not working I keep getting an error when I enable a system wide white list using spamd.   I have this in my /etc/mai

[SAtalk] Re: [Razor-users] Agent Terminated

2002-02-27 Thread rODbegbie
I have found that this issue only happens when Razor *does not* need to run a server discovery. If I remove .razor.lst, spamassassin starts up fine. As a temporary hack, I've added 'force_discovery' => 1 to the %options in the razor_lookup method in Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm, because I'm only run

Re: [SAtalk] Re: [Razor-users] Agent Terminated

2002-02-27 Thread Gunter Ohrner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Wednesday, 27. February 2002 14:16 schrieb rODbegbie: > I have found that this issue only happens when Razor *does not* need to run > a server discovery. If I remove .razor.lst, spamassassin starts up fine. Right, that seems to work. Obviously it

Re: [SAtalk] problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Greg Ward
On 27 February 2002, Gunter Ohrner said: > I just installed SpamAssassin 2.0.1 - it does work very well and I'm quite > happy with it. However I get lots of asian spam mail (Don't ask me why. :-( > ) which does not get sufficient score to be tagged. Here's a kludgy little rule I use on one of

Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Mike Grau
Linux: echo -n "Stopping spam daemon. (spamd)" killproc spamd if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then echo " done" else echo " failed" fi More generic: pid=`ps ax | grep "spamd" | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}'` if [ "X$pid" != "X" ]; then echo "spamd is not running" else kill

Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Mike Grau
Sorry, that should be More generic: pid=`ps ax | grep "spamd" | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}'` if [ "X$pid" = "X" ]; then echo "spamd is not running" else kill -TERM $pid fi Mike Grau wrote: > > Linux: > > echo -n "Stopping spam daemon. (spamd)" > killproc spamd > if [ $? -e

[SAtalk] forward alaises not working?

2002-02-27 Thread Mike Loiterman
Just discovered that my aliases as defined in /etc/mail/aliases don’t work anymore.  Is this because I swithed my MDA from /usr/bin/mail to /usr/local/sbin/procmail or does this have something to do with SpamAssassin?   Thanks

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Arpi
Hi, > Sorry, that should be > > More generic: > > pid=`ps ax | grep "spamd" | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}'` pid=`pidof spamd` ? A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team -- Developer of MPlayer, the Movie Player for Linux - http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu ___ Spamas

RE: [SAtalk] problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Seth H. Bokelman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm having the exact same problem with Razor, I decided to download and install it this morning before installing the 2.1 release of SpamAssassin, but Razor::Client doesn't appear to exist. I used the 1.20 release of Razor, if you're curious. I trie

Re: [SAtalk] forward alaises not working?

2002-02-27 Thread Greg Ward
On 27 February 2002, Mike Loiterman said: > Just discovered that my aliases as defined in /etc/mail/aliases don't > work anymore. Is this because I swithed my MDA from /usr/bin/mail to > /usr/local/sbin/procmail or does this have something to do with > SpamAssassin? Depends on your MTA. I know

Re: [SAtalk] Stats?

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
It's in 2.1 -- the logging now prints score and threshold along with userid and time taken for processing for every message passed through spamd. C Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Just curious if anyone has started to work on some sort of logging > through syslog that could be used to generate

Re: [SAtalk] forward alaises not working?

2002-02-27 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 09:18:07AM -0600, Mike Loiterman wrote: > Just discovered that my aliases as defined in /etc/mail/aliases don't > work anymore. Is this because I swithed my MDA from /usr/bin/mail to > /usr/local/sbin/procmail or does this have something to do with > SpamAssassin? Aliases

Re: [SAtalk] Small problems installing SA 2.1

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
Read the README. It's overridable with the '-c' flag to spamassassin. I just realized I forgot to add that same functionality to spamd -- sigh. Please could you file something in bugzilla on this -- I'm trying to stay away from SA coding for a few days to get some real work done. When I com

RE: [SAtalk] forward alaises not working?

2002-02-27 Thread Mike Loiterman
When I run newalaises to rebuild the alais file I get errors for each of my alaises saying for example "root...cannont alaias no local names..." Why on earth would this be happening?! :( Using sendmail BTW Ugh...its just one thing after another! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PRO

RE: [SAtalk] forward alaises not working?

2002-02-27 Thread Mike Loiterman
Just did a bit of digging and I found this: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=344DC100.41C6%40bioch.ox.a c.uk&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcannot%2Balias%2Bnon-local%2Bnames%26hl%3 Den%26selm%3D344DC100.41C6%2540bioch.ox.ac.uk%26rnum%3D1 Which if your unable to view indicates: You have s

Re: [SAtalk] SA speed

2002-02-27 Thread Bob Plankers
That's what I was thinking, as far as network checks. While they're often useful, unless I have local copies I'm not going to try it. I'm using spamd/spamc already. I was going to try to build an appliance-like device out of the spamproxy & SA, so that there is little to no integration of SA with

[SAtalk] RE: forward alaises not working?

2002-02-27 Thread Shane Williams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Mike Loiterman wrote: > When I run newalaises to rebuild the alais file I get errors for each of > my alaises saying for example "root...cannont alaias no local names..." > Why on earth would this be happening?! :( > Using sendmail BTW > >

RE: [SAtalk] forward alaises not working? FIXED

2002-02-27 Thread Mike Loiterman
Got it. F=A is the key to success > -Original Message- > From: Bart Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:19 AM > To: Mike Loiterman > Subject: RE: [SAtalk] forward alaises not working? > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Mike Loiterman wrote: > > > So my que

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread dman
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 04:43:37PM +0100, Arpi wrote: | > Sorry, that should be | > | > More generic: | > | > pid=`ps ax | grep "spamd" | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}'` | | pid=`pidof spamd` ? 'pidof' is a Debian thing. -D -- After you install Microsoft Windows XP, you have the option

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Jason Kohles
On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 11:43, dman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 04:43:37PM +0100, Arpi wrote: > > | > Sorry, that should be > | > > | > More generic: > | > > | > pid=`ps ax | grep "spamd" | grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}'` > | > | pid=`pidof spamd` ? > > 'pidof' is a Debian thing. > [ja

RE: [SAtalk] Latest SUBJ_ALL_CAPS rule in CVS

2002-02-27 Thread Mark Roedel
> -Original Message- > From: Bart Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:39 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SAtalk] Latest SUBJ_ALL_CAPS rule in CVS > > > diff -r1.32 -r1.33 > 47c47 > < header SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject =~ /^[A-Z0-9\W]{6,}[^a

[SAtalk] Re: problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Timothy Demarest
>> So I tried adding Razor support to SpamAssassin which - unfortunately - >> did not work. Vipul's Razor by itself seems to be fully functional >> (tested with razor-check) but if invoked by SpamAssassin I just get >> >> razor check skipped: undefined Razor::Client > > First, make sure that Per

Re: [SAtalk] Re: problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Jeremy A. Mates
* Timothy Demarest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-02-27T09:44-0800]: [JAM 10 lines snipped] > > There definitely seems to be a problem with Razor 1.20 and SpmAssassin 2.1. > I'm having the same problem under Solaris 8 with perl 5.6.1. Note that > Razor::Client is found on my system: I can confirm t

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
It'll work on Mandrake too, and a variety of other platforms. But on at least Mandrake, pidof spamd won't work because the process name is not spamd. I think it's pretty easy to set argv[0] though in perl, isn't it? I'll reread the docs and see if we can't just fix that so the process name i

RE: [SAtalk] Latest SUBJ_ALL_CAPS rule in CVS

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
Yes, you lose non-US locales working. The change was actually in response to a question from someone who receives Russian email where the subject line is /^[^a-z]*$/ but contains no capital letters, ie for Russian locale, it's not /^[^[:lower:]]$/ -- of course it didn't completely fix his prob

Re: [SAtalk] Re: problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
How about SA 2.01 with razor 1.20? AFAIK nothing changed on the SA side -- they must have moved/changed something in Razor. C Timothy Demarest wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:38:16 -0800 > From: Timothy Demarest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Timothy Demarest <[EMAIL PRO

RE: [SAtalk] Re: problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Mike Loiterman
I'm having problems with the Razor integration as well. I preformed the check and my Razor install is ok. As suggested earlier, removing the /.razor.1st file seems to fix it sometimes, but other times it doesn't. Using FreeBSD 4.4, SA 2.01 and Razor 1.20. > -Original Message- > From: [

Re: [SAtalk] Re: problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Michael C. Hanson
On 2/27/02 12:22, "Craig R Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about SA 2.01 with razor 1.20? AFAIK nothing changed on the SA side -- > they > must have moved/changed something in Razor. > > C > > Timothy Demarest wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:38:16 -0800 >> From: Timothy Demare

RE: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Mike Loiterman
kill -TERM `ps ax | grep spamd | egrep -v grep | awk '{print $1}'` works perectly on BSD. I'm happy. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:spamassassin-talk- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Arpi > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:44 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > S

[SAtalk] Where to send mass-check output?

2002-02-27 Thread Nels Lindquist
Hi there. I just ran mass-check on some spam and non-spam archives I've got, and was wondering if the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address is still the one to use. Just want to make sure it goes someplace useful. :-) Nels Lindquist <*> Information Systems Manager Morningstar Air Express Inc. _

[SAtalk] razor check skipped

2002-02-27 Thread Darian Rafie
I have installed SpamAssassin 2.01 and Razor Agents 1.20 and Razor SDK 1.00. My problem is [root]# spamassassin -t < sample-nonspam.txt > nonspam.out razor check skipped: No such file or directory undefined Razor::Client Interestingly the following works: [root]# cat sample-spam.txt | spamass

[SAtalk] SA doesn't see everything in local.cf

2002-02-27 Thread Woodworth, Eric
Hmmm, I already sent this to the list but I dont see it in there so I guess I'll try 1 more time. Sorry if this shows twice. I have 3 e-mail boxes all configured exactly the same with qmail, qmail-scanner, and SA. The boxes work fine all things considered but I do have 1 problem. On 2 of my b

[SAtalk] Newbie: How to get SpamAssassin Working

2002-02-27 Thread Kevin Arnold
I have downloaded the Spamass-milter tested it and it works, I then download SpamAssassin 2.01 and installed it and tested it with the to txt files and everything is installed correctly. I'm using sendmail 8.12.1 and I want a to setup site-wide configuration for everyone. What must I do now to put

Re: [SAtalk] Re: problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Timothy Demarest
--On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:44 PM -0800 "Michael C. Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, would the suggestion in the mean time be to go back to 1.19? I'm > having the same exact issues with Razor 1.20 That's working for me, and is probably the best until Vipul returns. Here is a

Re: [SAtalk] Latest SUBJ_ALL_CAPS rule in CVS

2002-02-27 Thread Daniel Rogers
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 11:21:30AM -0600, Mark Roedel wrote: > Posix character classes (a la [:lower:]) were apparently introduced in > Perl at v5.6.0. Is there anything in particular that'd be lost by > changing [:lower:] to [a-z] to maintain compatibility with the v5.0 > line? (Otherwise, this

Re: [SAtalk] Re: problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
Michael C. Hanson wrote: > >> Reverting to razor-agent 1.19 works fine: > >> > >> SA 2.1 with razor 1.19: > > So, would the suggestion in the mean time be to go back to 1.19? I'm having > the same exact issues with Razor 1.20 Yes -- I suspect this is a razor bug probably where the Razor module

[SAtalk] SA doesn't see everything in local.cf

2002-02-27 Thread Woodworth, Eric
I have 3 e-mail boxes all configured exactly the same with qmail, qmail-scanner, and SA. The boxes work fine all things considered but I do have 1 problem. On 2 of my boxes, when I edit local.cf and change required_hits to 7, it doesn't take. When I check my spam reports it still tells me that

Re: [SAtalk] Where to send mass-check output?

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
No Nels, things have changed recently -- I'll send you a separate email describing how to submit your stuff. C Nels Lindquist wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:10:27 -0700 > From: Nels Lindquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SAtalk] Where to send mass-check output? >

Re: [SAtalk] SA doesn't see everything in local.cf

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
You probably have ~/.spamassassin/*.cf in your user directories which contain a required_hits setting which is overriding anything you set elsewhere. User prefs files are read last. C Woodworth, Eric wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:28:55 -0500 > From: "Woodworth, Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [SAtalk] problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Gunter Ohrner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Wednesday, 27. February 2002 16:15 schrieben Sie: > > I just installed SpamAssassin 2.0.1 - it does work very well and I'm > > quite happy with it. However I get lots of asian spam mail (Don't ask me > > why. :-( ) which does not get sufficient sco

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Gunter Ohrner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Wednesday, 27. February 2002 17:43 schrieb dman: > | pid=`pidof spamd` ? > 'pidof' is a Debian thing. Seems to be widely available under Linux: UnseenUniversity:~ # cat /etc/SuSE-release SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386) VERSION = 7.1 UnseenUniversity:~ # w

Re: [SAtalk] Re: problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Michael C. Hanson
On 2/27/02 14:24, "Craig R Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes -- I suspect this is a razor bug probably where the Razor module is not > loading cleanly (ie not returning 1 or something like that) when loaded by SA. > I'll take a closer look at it in a bit. > > C > Yeah, I reverted ba

Re: [SAtalk] razor check skipped

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
Yes Darian, read the last few messages in the mailing list archives -- looks like a problem loading the Razor module in razor 1.20 -- going back to razor 1.19 is a temporary solution until I figure out how they changes things. C Darian Rafie wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:34:33 -0600 > Fr

Re: [SAtalk] Re: problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
It's always best to release unstable code just before heading off on a long trip :) C Timothy Demarest wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:48:43 -0800 > From: Timothy Demarest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Michael C. Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Re: pro

Re: [SAtalk] problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
Actually, I don't think this is the case. You should be able to install them in either order; SA will use Razor if it finds it at runtime, and not use it if it doesn't find it (or you say -L). > > ISTR hearing somewhere that SpamAssassin only enables Razor support if > > Razor is there when yo

Re: [SAtalk] EEXIST from auto-whitelistings, and so on

2002-02-27 Thread Nix
On 26 Feb 2002, Craig Hughes moaned: > FYI, your code example is not even close to concurrency-safe. If one Oh, it's an astonishing kludge written in haste and isn't meant to be right. What's more, it doesn't help :( Further testing indicates that it's the previous state of the db that's at fa

Re: [SAtalk] Latest SUBJ_ALL_CAPS rule in CVS

2002-02-27 Thread Greg Ward
On 27 February 2002, Mark Roedel said: > Posix character classes (a la [:lower:]) were apparently introduced in > Perl at v5.6.0. Is there anything in particular that'd be lost by > changing [:lower:] to [a-z] to maintain compatibility with the v5.0 > line? (Otherwise, this rule throws out an er

Re: [SAtalk] Latest SUBJ_ALL_CAPS rule in CVS

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
I think we will try to keep maintaining 5.005 compatibility for a while longer yet, I just don't have it installed myself to realize when I've broken something :) If you're running perl 5.0x for now I'd suggest changing that one rule to just use [a-z] instead of [:lower:] -- If you're using SA

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Paul Traina
Craig, do the pidfile, it's much more universal, and pidof is a linux-only thing. ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk

[SAtalk] LINE_OF_YELLING

2002-02-27 Thread Daniel Rogers
LINE_OF_YELLING seems to have jumped from a score of 0.70 in SA 2.01 to a score of 5.442 in SA 2.1. This strikes me as rather a lot. Aren't there still people who still write their messages all in caps because they don't know any better? Also, any mail that uses a line of all caps as a title (s

[SAtalk] Troubling new scores in 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Bart Schaefer
I've diffed the r1.37 and r1.38 rules/50_scores.cf and some of the changes are so unbelievable that I've decided not to install the new scores file. Here's just a sampling: r1.37 r1.38 ---- score 25FREEMEGS_U

[SAtalk] Help: getpwuid function is unimplemented?

2002-02-27 Thread Nick Fisher
Hi folks, I'm rusty on Perl and I'm working on Win32... Is there is a Win32 FAQ somewhere I'd love a link! The main problem I'm tackling now is that I get the following error when running spamassassin: "The getpwuid function is unimplemented at lib/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 647." I'm gue

Re: [SAtalk] Re: problems with SpamAssassin's Razor-integration

2002-02-27 Thread Gunter Ohrner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Wednesday, 27. February 2002 18:38 schrieb Timothy Demarest: > >> So I tried adding Razor support to SpamAssassin which - unfortunately - > >> razor check skipped: undefined Razor::Client > There definitely seems to be a problem with Razor 1.20 and

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
Stick it in bugzilla and I'll get to it sometime. Though isn't it probably easier (and more flexible) to get the pid in your shell, and have the shell write it to a file if you want to do that? C Paul Traina wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:30:14 -0800 > From: Paul Traina <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [SAtalk] LINE_OF_YELLING

2002-02-27 Thread Gunter Ohrner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Wednesday, 27. February 2002 20:35 schrieb Daniel Rogers: > LINE_OF_YELLING seems to have jumped from a score of 0.70 in SA 2.01 to a > score of 5.442 in SA 2.1. This strikes me as rather a lot. Aren't there > still people who still write their m

Re: [SAtalk] LINE_OF_YELLING

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
In the corpus, LINE_OF_YELLING appears almost 9000 times in spam, and about 1300 times in nonspam. So I'm guessing that when it's in the nonspam, there are other telltales that it's not really spam, and those rules have been assigned -ve scores by the GA. There are only 562 false positives fr

Re: [SAtalk] Troubling new scores in 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
I was aware of the stuff you're pointing out below. This is basically caused by using the new evolver to do the scoring. Previously, scores were limited to the range 0.01-5, now they are unlimited, and allowed to go -ve. A side effect of this is that rules which are really non-discriminators

[SAtalk] new, larger, GA scores

2002-02-27 Thread Tom Lipkis
I haven't installed 2.1, but I agree that the new scores are worrisome. With large scores like this (positive or negative), very small perturbations in input can cause wildly different results, which seems undesirable. I'd like to hear Justin's take on this, if he's not incommunicado. Tom _

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 03:49:38PM -0800, Craig R Hughes wrote: > Stick it in bugzilla and I'll get to it sometime. Though isn't it probably > easier (and more flexible) to get the pid in your shell, and have the shell > write it to a file if you want to do that? > easier? no. more flexible?

Re: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 03:30:32AM -0700, Michael Moncur wrote: > I might be wrong, but I think there's something seriously amiss with the new > GA-evolved scores - they don't seem to have an upper boundary (many are 9-10 or > so) or a lower (some are negative). Some examples that can't be right:

Re: [SAtalk] Troubling new scores in 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Craig R Hughes wrote: > This isn't really a problem. It can actually be helpful too to allow > the GA to do its own thing [...] On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Tom Lipkis wrote: > With large scores like this (positive or negative), very small > perturbations in input can cause wildly

GA coming up with wacky scores? was Re: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1release

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
Duncan Findlay wrote: > Ummm... I'd be heavily inclined to set these spam scores to 0.01. It's not > that I don't trust the GA, it's just that if these are the outputs, they > aren't needed in the first place. That's not necessarily the case. They might be needed to reduce false positives. As

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Paul Traina
By the way, for extra bonus points, use code that looks like the following attachment. To do this right, you really want to lock the pidfile after opening so that multiple invocations don't occur. #include #include #include #include #define MAX_PID_SIZE 10 static int pid_open (const char *

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 04:29:49PM -0800, Paul Traina wrote: > By the way, for extra bonus points, use code that looks like the following > attachment. > To do this right, you really want to lock the pidfile after opening so that > multiple invocations don't occur. I think that code might possibl

Re: GA coming up with wacky scores? was Re: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 04:28:07PM -0800, Craig R Hughes wrote: > Duncan Findlay wrote: > > > Ummm... I'd be heavily inclined to set these spam scores to 0.01. It's not > > that I don't trust the GA, it's just that if these are the outputs, they > > aren't needed in the first place. > > That's n

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
I'm just a little concerned that some other OS out there doesn't use /var/run/spamd.pid but instead wants /usr/share/pids/spamd or c:\windows\makingthisup\pids\spamd instead. If you get your shell to do it (using $! or something), then you get to tune things to how they're done on your own partic

Re: GA coming up with wacky scores? was Re: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Rick Macdougall
Hi, Just my 2 cents I receive on the order of 500 emails per day. I get aliased on support, dns, webmaster and a few others, as well as having my email address archived for all spammers to harvest since 1994. Plus various mailing lists etc... Approx 100 of those a day are spam, some days m

[SAtalk] Razor finally starting without errors...

2002-02-27 Thread Mike Loiterman
Now how do I check that its actually working?

Re: [SAtalk] Troubling new scores in 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
Yes, the large rule scores probably do make the system more sensitive to minor variations in input. However, they also apparently lead to more accurate scores. It is interesting that even running unconstrained over 50,000 generations of scores, no score ended up larger than about 20, and that

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 04:22:45PM -0800, Craig R Hughes wrote: > I'm just a little concerned that some other OS out there doesn't use > /var/run/spamd.pid but instead wants /usr/share/pids/spamd or > c:\windows\makingthisup\pids\spamd instead. If you get your shell to do it > (using $! or someth

Re: GA coming up with wacky scores? was Re: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1release

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
Most of these have such low occurence rates in the corpus that they shouldn't be allowed to vary their scores by the GA (or at least should be much more tightly constrained). I'll take a look at adding such functionality to the code in /masses. Precicely because they're so infrequently seen t

Re: GA coming up with wacky scores? was Re: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1release

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
*craig struts around the room saying nahnananana told you so* Just kidding. But really, I think it's correct that these scores are better. I don't know if they're 20-30% better, but I'd say at least 10%. C Rick Macdougall wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:57:54 -0500 > From: Rick Macdougal

Re: [SAtalk] Razor finally starting without errors...

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
And people make fun of me when I send HTML email. I don't think I'd ever seen a 133 line attachment to convey one line of text. Vive Microsoft. C Mike Loiterman wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:54:52 -0600 > From: Mike Loiterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SAtal

Re: [SAtalk] Troubling new scores in 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Daniel Rogers
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 05:00:29PM -0800, Craig R Hughes wrote: > Yes, the large rule scores probably do make the system more sensitive to minor > variations in input. However, they also apparently lead to more accurate > scores. It is interesting that even running unconstrained over 50,000 >

Re: [SAtalk] Troubling new scores in 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
I meant single score, but yet, that message is pretty impressive. I assume it was not a false-positive :) C Daniel Rogers wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:14 -0800 > From: Daniel Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Bart Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PRO

[SAtalk] Upgrading

2002-02-27 Thread Mike Loiterman
Forgive me if this in the README, I didn’t see anything on it, but what is the procedure for upgrading?  Do I just do a perl Makefile.PL && make && make test && make install and then just replace the old spamc and spamd daemons with the new ones?  What about my /etc/mail/local.cf will that

Re: [SAtalk] Troubling new scores in 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Daniel Rogers
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 05:15:20PM -0800, Craig R Hughes wrote: > I meant single score, but yet, that message is pretty impressive. I assume it > was not a false-positive :) Uh, yeah, it was real spam. :) I just found a 47.1 hits one, even though it had two -ve scores (HTTP_USERNAME_USED and

Re: [SAtalk] Troubling new scores in 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> SPAM: Hit! (4.9 points) BODY: URL of page called "remove" > SPAM: Hit! (6.5 points) BODY: Link to a URL containing "remove" No, not impressive. Those two scores would put a whole lot of honest opt-in web "flyers" and likely many mailing lists in the spam bucket. I'm strongly opposed to any

Re: [SAtalk] Upgrading

2002-02-27 Thread Craig R Hughes
You can probably skip the "replace the daemons" part -- make install ought to do that for you assuming you didn't move them to non-standard places. The install will overwrite stuff in /usr/share/spamassassin/, but should leave /etc/mail stuff untouched. So it'll replace your default .cf files

Re: Re: [SAtalk] BSD rc.d script and HTML spam

2002-02-27 Thread dman
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 07:46:47PM +0100, Gunter Ohrner wrote: | Am Wednesday, 27. February 2002 17:43 schrieb dman: | > | pid=`pidof spamd` ? | > 'pidof' is a Debian thing. | | Seems to be widely available under Linux: So it is. I hadn't found it before on the RH box at school, and I'm fairly

Re: [SAtalk] SA doesn't see everything in local.cf

2002-02-27 Thread Greg Ward
On 27 February 2002, Woodworth, Eric said: > On 2 of my boxes, when I edit local.cf and change required_hits to 7, it > doesn't take. When I check my spam reports it still tells me that the > required hits is only 5. Is this running as spamassassin or spamc/spamd? If the latter, what user does

Re: [SAtalk] Help: getpwuid function is unimplemented?

2002-02-27 Thread Greg Ward
On 27 February 2002, Nick Fisher said: > Hi folks, > I'm rusty on Perl and I'm working on Win32... Is there is a Win32 FAQ > somewhere I'd love a link! > The main problem I'm tackling now is that I get the following error when > running spamassassin: > > "The getpwuid function is unimplemen

[SAtalk] Upgrading to spamproxyd in v2.1 ...

2002-02-27 Thread Marc G. Fournier
earth# /usr/bin/spamproxyd localhost:10025 localhost:10026 Failed to run A_FROM_IN_AUTO_WLIST SpamAssassin test, skipping: (Can't locate object method "check_for_auto_whitelist" via package "Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus" at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/Mail/SpamAssassin/PerM

Re: GA coming up with wacky scores? was Re: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Greg Ward
On 27 February 2002, Craig R Hughes said: >181 98 83 RATWARE That's interesting. I wonder if the RATWARE regex is too broad -- perhaps if it were toned down a bit, it would be better focussed on spam. This ought to be a well-focused rule; how many people use spamware

Re: Re: GA coming up with wacky scores? was Re: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Arpi
Hi, > On 27 February 2002, Craig R Hughes said: > >181 98 83 RATWARE > > That's interesting. I wonder if the RATWARE regex is too broad -- > perhaps if it were toned down a bit, it would be better focussed on > spam. This ought to be a well-focused rule; how many peo

Re: GA coming up with wacky scores? was Re: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1release

2002-02-27 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Greg Ward wrote: > On 27 February 2002, Craig R Hughes said: >>181 98 83 RATWARE > > That's interesting. I wonder if the RATWARE regex is too broad -- > perhaps if it were toned down a bit, it would be better focussed on > spam. This ought to be a

Re: [SAtalk] Upgrading to spamproxyd in v2.1 ...

2002-02-27 Thread Ian R. Justman
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > earth# /usr/bin/spamproxyd localhost:10025 localhost:10026 > Failed to run A_FROM_IN_AUTO_WLIST SpamAssassin test, skipping: > (Can't locate object method "check_for_auto_whitelist" via package >"Mail::SpamAssassin::PerMsgStatus" at >/u

Re: [SAtalk] LINE_OF_YELLING

2002-02-27 Thread Joey Hess
Daniel Rogers wrote: > LINE_OF_YELLING seems to have jumped from a score of 0.70 in SA 2.01 to a > score of 5.442 in SA 2.1. This strikes me as rather a lot. Aren't there > still people who still write their messages all in caps because they don't > know any better? Yeah, like lawyers, warrante

Re: [SAtalk] Help: getpwuid function is unimplemented?

2002-02-27 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 06:42:44PM -0500, Nick Fisher wrote: > Hi folks, > I'm rusty on Perl and I'm working on Win32... Is there is a Win32 FAQ > somewhere I'd love a link! > The main problem I'm tackling now is that I get the following error when > running spamassassin: > > "The getpwuid

Re: [SAtalk] Upgrading to spamproxyd in v2.1 ...

2002-02-27 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Ya, but looking at the code, this doesn't even appear to be related to the proxyd itself:( On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Ian R. Justman wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > > earth# /usr/bin/spamproxyd localhost:10025 localhost:10026 > > Failed to run A_FROM_IN_AUTO_WLIST S

Re: GA coming up with wacky scores? was Re: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1 release

2002-02-27 Thread Stephen Peters
Arpi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On 27 February 2002, Craig R Hughes said: > > >181 98 83 RATWARE > > > > That's interesting. I wonder if the RATWARE regex is too broad -- > > perhaps if it were toned down a bit, it would be better focussed on > > spam. This ough

Re: [SAtalk] Upgrading to spamproxyd in v2.1 ...

2002-02-27 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Something that didn't get into the tar file? *raised eyebrow* grep check_for * | sort EvalTests.pm:sub check_for_bad_dialup_ips { EvalTests.pm:sub check_for_bad_helo { EvalTests.pm:sub check_for_base64_enc_text { EvalTests.pm:sub check_for_content_type_just_html { EvalTests.pm:sub check_for_fa

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