[sage-devel] the SAGE Notebook

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
Hello, This is a very preliminary first draft of the Sage Days 4 design document for the next version of notebook. The following people will all be around at SD4 to work on the notebook: W Stein, Tom Boothby, Dorian Ramier, Alex Clemesha, and Yi Qiang. If you use the notebook, please comment o

[sage-devel] Re: Bizarre behaviour: rational numbers: very slow, number fields: very fast.

2007-05-16 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 16, 2007, at 22:20 , William Stein wrote: > > On 5/16/07, Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Consider >> >> sage: x,y,z=QQ['x','y','z'].gens() >> sage: u,v,w=W['u','v','w'].gens() > > Syntax error -- W is not defined. What is W? Presumably a number field. Interesting that the loop

[sage-devel] Re: generic subs/substitute

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
On 5/16/07, Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rather than implementing subs/substitute in every class where it makes > sense > (polynomials/rational functions/non-commutative polynomials) I thought > it makes > more sense to move it up to sage/structure/element. Here is a patch > illustrating

[sage-devel] Re: Bizarre behaviour: rational numbers: very slow, number fields: very fast.

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
On 5/16/07, Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Consider > > sage: x,y,z=QQ['x','y','z'].gens() > sage: u,v,w=W['u','v','w'].gens() Syntax error -- W is not defined. What is W? > sage: %timeit ((x+y+z)**3)(1/y,y,y**100) > 10 loops, best of 3: 752 ms per loop<=== look here! > sage: %timeit

[sage-devel] Bizarre behaviour: rational numbers: very slow, number fields: very fast.

2007-05-16 Thread Michel
Consider sage: x,y,z=QQ['x','y','z'].gens() sage: u,v,w=W['u','v','w'].gens() sage: %timeit ((x+y+z)**3)(1/y,y,y**100) 10 loops, best of 3: 752 ms per loop<=== look here! sage: %timeit ((u+v+w)**3)(1/v,v,v**100) 10 loops, best of 3: 48.2 ms per loop <=== look here! Conclusion: rational func

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Kudos on a fabulous system!

2007-05-16 Thread Hamptonio
Absolutely. I've been thinking about this a fair amount lately as I would like to use sage in teaching undergrads (mostly multivariable calc, ODEs, and linear algebra). At first I was thinking of them installing it on their laptops, but most of them use Windows. Having a notebook server for a c

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread Hamptonio
I could volunteer some time at the joint meetings at a table. I hope by then to be at least a small scale developer. I am very interested in using sage in the courses I teach, but I initially became interested for research reasons. It would be great to have a special session at the 2009 joint m

[sage-devel] Re: sage days 4 roommate

2007-05-16 Thread Joel B. Mohler
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 21:26, William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > I just rented a large 2-bedroom apartment for Gonzalo Tornaria which > will be available the whole time during SD 4.  He could have 1 > or 2 roommates stay there (we'll have to get an extra bed or pad > though).     So you could be one

[sage-devel] Re: sage days 4 roommate

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
Hi, I just rented a large 2-bedroom apartment for Gonzalo Tornaria which will be available the whole time during SD 4. He could have 1 or 2 roommates stay there (we'll have to get an extra bed or pad though). So you could be one of those 1 or 2 people staying with Gonzalo. William On 5/16/

[sage-devel] sage days 4 roommate

2007-05-16 Thread Joel B. Mohler
Hi, I'm wondering if anyone is still looking for a roommate or has an open slot I could be in. Thanks Joel Mohler --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTE

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Alexander
Martin Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think the press release lacks the mention of the free, open-source software > we ship with SAGE. Despite the fact that SAGE wouldn't be possible without > them as they are a crucial part it could seriously piss their authors off > (and I cou

[sage-devel] Re: notebook problem

2007-05-16 Thread Timothy Clemans
http://sage.math.washington.edu:8100/doc_browser?/?index.html is a blank page On 5/16/07, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm getting the same error (sitting right here on campus). I think > it's probably something to do with how the virtual server is set up. > > On May 16, 2007, a

[sage-devel] Graph plot fix

2007-05-16 Thread Robert Miller
This changes the behavior of sage: g = Graph() sage: g.add_vertex() sage: g.show(color_dict={'#FF':[]}) from throwing an IndexError to simply not plotting any nodes of color '#FF'. -- Robert L. Miller http://www.robertlmiller.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ T

[sage-devel] Re: notebook problem

2007-05-16 Thread Robert Bradshaw
I'm getting the same error (sitting right here on campus). I think it's probably something to do with how the virtual server is set up. On May 16, 2007, at 3:53 PM, David Harvey wrote: > > When I click on "view the tutorial" from sagenb.org, I get some funny > error message about proxy servers

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
Hi, Thanks for all the feedback about the potential of having a press release. The main conclusion is that we won't do it right now -- maybe in 6 months or a year we will do something. In any case, next time I'm contacted by a reporter, all the discussion and comments today will be very helpful

[sage-devel] Re: notebook problem

2007-05-16 Thread Timothy Clemans
He should already know about this since I have sent him several messages about this: -- Forwarded message -- From: Timothy Clemans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: May 8, 2007 10:29 PM Subject: sagenb.org up but documentation down To: William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sagenb.org

[sage-devel] notebook problem

2007-05-16 Thread David Harvey
When I click on "view the tutorial" from sagenb.org, I get some funny error message about proxy servers. Is the problem with my ISP, or is it at the notebook server end? david --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread David Harvey
I'm also a bit put off by the tone. The way I see it, the non-free packages can be very useful, and I don't hesitate to use them when I think it will get my job done more easily. For example, I still find Microsoft Excel is by far the easiest way to whip together certain kinds of graphs, a

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread David Roe
I have to agree with Martin here. And I'm worried that if we get a journalist involved, they won't be willing to include exactly what we want. The general readership of a newspaper is not going to be very interested that SAGE includes Python, GP/Pari, Maxima, Singular, I also think that the t

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread Timothy Clemans
> > 3. Just like Mathworld has a bunch of Mathematica code interspersed, I > > think it would be interesting to have a bunch of sage code interspersed > > throughout Wikipedia or PlanetMath. > > There might be massive amounts of politics involved in doing that, which we'll > have to figure out ho

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread Martin Albrecht
I think the press release lacks the mention of the free, open-source software we ship with SAGE. Despite the fact that SAGE wouldn't be possible without them as they are a crucial part it could seriously piss their authors off (and I couldn't blame them, to be honest) . They put years into ma

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread Justin C. Walker
Sheesh... On May 16, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: > On May 16, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Nathan Ryan wrote: [snip] >> 1. Once we have a feature-frozen version of the calculus package >> up and >> running, it might be nice to get a table at the joint meetings. I >> think >> it's pretty exp

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 16, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Nathan Ryan wrote: > > >> Is anyone actively using this, daily, as part of their course work, >> as would be done with Matlab, Mathematica, and the like? Perhaps at >> Sage Days 4, there could be some discussion of how well it works in >> practice, both for full-ti

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
> Isn't that when the AIM workshop on modular forms takes place? > > Justin Oops. i meant October 13-14, 2007. William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://www.williamstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to thi

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 16, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > I agree with Justin Walker that this seems a bit to confrontational > for my tastes. Maybe that's what the business world likes? I think it's less what the business world likes, and more what the media likes. Controversy sells. I think

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 16, 2007, at 12:13 PM, William Stein wrote: > On 5/16/07, Nathan Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Is anyone actively using this, daily, as part of their course work, >>> as would be done with Matlab, Mathematica, and the like? Perhaps at >>> Sage Days 4, there could be some discussion

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread David Joyner
I would first try to interest a Seattle Times reporter in the David vs Goliath slant. They will know when the sauce is being poured on too thick.I agree this is a bit confontational in tone but I also agree with Dennis' sentiments (if I understand them) which is to try to create a "god angle" for

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
On 5/16/07, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with Justin Walker that this seems a bit to confrontational > for my tastes. Maybe that's what the business world likes? > > I think we should wait at least until the calculus package has been > given some serious hammering by non-

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread Robert Bradshaw
I agree with Justin Walker that this seems a bit to confrontational for my tastes. Maybe that's what the business world likes? I think we should wait at least until the calculus package has been given some serious hammering by non-experts. - Robert On May 16, 2007, at 10:39 AM, William Ste

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
On 5/16/07, Nathan Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is anyone actively using this, daily, as part of their course work, > > as would be done with Matlab, Mathematica, and the like? Perhaps at > > Sage Days 4, there could be some discussion of how well it works in > > practice, both for full-ti

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread Nathan Ryan
> Is anyone actively using this, daily, as part of their course work, > as would be done with Matlab, Mathematica, and the like? Perhaps at > Sage Days 4, there could be some discussion of how well it works in > practice, both for full-time classroom use (i.e., not as an "off to > the si

[sage-devel] generic subs/substitute

2007-05-16 Thread Michel
Rather than implementing subs/substitute in every class where it makes sense (polynomials/rational functions/non-commutative polynomials) I thought it makes more sense to move it up to sage/structure/element. Here is a patch illustrating the concept. Martin/William: do you think this is a good app

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Kudos on a fabulous system!

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
On 5/16/07, Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Besides VMware there might be other options such as Qemu or VirtualBox > (if VMware becomes non-free-as-in-beer again). I very much agree with this. In the rest of this discussion, let's view "vmware" to mean "vmware or some other virtualization

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Kudos on a fabulous system!

2007-05-16 Thread Michel
Besides VMware there might be other options such as Qemu or VirtualBox (if VMware becomes non-free-as-in-beer again). Michel On May 16, 6:50 pm, Nick Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Wednesday 16 May 2007 16:07, William Stein wrote: > >> H

[sage-devel] Re: a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread Justin C. Walker
Uh-oh...time to shift to marketing speak... On May 16, 2007, at 10:39 , William Stein wrote: > My brother, who is businessman and is neither a mathematician nor a > serious programmer, just > sent me a draft of a "press release" for SAGE that he wrote. I wonder > what you think of it? We could

[sage-devel] a "press release"

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
Hi Sage-devel, My brother, who is businessman and is neither a mathematician nor a serious programmer, just sent me a draft of a "press release" for SAGE that he wrote. I wonder what you think of it? We could polish it up and send it to some media outlets at the appropriate moment (another ques

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Kudos on a fabulous system!

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Alexander
Martin Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday 16 May 2007 16:07, William Stein wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Here is some fan mail from a new user of SAGE on Windows (via VMware) >> -- see below. >> I think we're going to have to make a hard choice about whether to continue >> to support Cygwi

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Kudos on a fabulous system!

2007-05-16 Thread Joel B. Mohler
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 10:07, William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > Here is some fan mail from a new user of SAGE on Windows (via VMware) > -- see below. > I think we're going to have to make a hard choice about whether to continue > to support Cygwin or just distribute SAGE on Windows via VMware, sinc

[sage-devel] Re: download stats

2007-05-16 Thread kaimmello
On May 16, 4:30 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > These are the combined download stats for SAGE on the two > computerswww.sagemath.organd sage.math.washington.edu since Sunday at 7am, > i.e., over the last three days: > [cut] > Source > 31 > I'm really one of the "only" 31

[sage-devel] Re: download stats

2007-05-16 Thread mabshoff
On May 16, 4:30 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > These are the combined download stats for SAGE on the two > computerswww.sagemath.organd sage.math.washington.edu since Sunday at 7am, > i.e., over the last three days: > > Windows Binary > 21 > VMware (=Windows) > 31 > Li

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Kudos on a fabulous system!

2007-05-16 Thread mabshoff
On May 16, 4:35 pm, Martin Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 16 May 2007 16:07, William Stein wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Here is some fan mail from a new user of SAGE on Windows (via VMware) > > -- see below. > > I think we're going to have to make a hard choice about whether to con

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Kudos on a fabulous system!

2007-05-16 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 16:07, William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > Here is some fan mail from a new user of SAGE on Windows (via VMware) > -- see below. > I think we're going to have to make a hard choice about whether to continue > to support Cygwin or just distribute SAGE on Windows via VMware, sinc

[sage-devel] download stats

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
Hi, These are the combined download stats for SAGE on the two computers www.sagemath.org and sage.math.washington.edu since Sunday at 7am, i.e., over the last three days: Windows Binary 21 VMware (=Windows) 31 Linux Binary 20 OS X Binary 7 OS X Dmg (OS X alternative) -- we need to fix the jumpi

[sage-devel] Re: Kudos on a fabulous system!

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
On 5/16/07, Staffan Liljegren > wrote: > I finally got around to install VMware on my home Windows machine and walk > tru the interactive tutorial and the shell. It is impressive! I will never > ever go back to Mathematica and i just threw away the infamous Wolfram > "tomes" in my bookshelf. Grea

[sage-devel] Fwd: Kudos on a fabulous system!

2007-05-16 Thread William Stein
Hi, Here is some fan mail from a new user of SAGE on Windows (via VMware) -- see below. I think we're going to have to make a hard choice about whether to continue to support Cygwin or just distribute SAGE on Windows via VMware, since it is so frickin' hard to get everything to work on Cygwin, an