s, as debates do, that
get legs of their own!
-Mac-
- Original Message -
From: " Rob Tabor"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Amen and thank you, Judy. So far I have counted four people includin
Message -
From: "Judy W"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Most thinking people understand both sides of this issue and will do what
they choose to do in the end so could we pl
amen
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of David Tanner
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:49 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Modirator,
Hasen't this thread about gone far enough
ssage -
From: "Frank Ventura"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
OK if you don't think there is a double standard then stand in front of
your average lending library in AnyTown USA and tell each
I thaught the ipod doesn't play drm wma, have they switched formats?
- Original Message -
From: "Frank Ventura"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:15 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Why do you feel Overdrive is restric
I believe he is speaking of the cost of such players as the Victor stream,
Book Sense
- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Chaltain"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
I'm conf
le to read that book and watch their
reaction. Still no double standard?
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:27 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Sti
I was addressing a comment you eluded to in an earlier post which I posted
in another post later. No accusation just commenting.
- Original Message -
From: "Frank Ventura"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: It
g]
On Behalf Of Robert doc Wright
Sent: April 19, 2010 3:37 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
the only small difference with BARD is that you don't buy the book from BARD
so you own no part of it even though its on your computer.
- Original Message -
..@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
I'm confused. Who's paying three bills? Where's the analogy?
--
Christopher
chalt...@gmail
Well, here we go again!
- Original Message -
From: "Frank Ventura"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
If I walk into my local public library and check out a book the
librarian doesn't
PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
What I meant (in case there is any confusion) is that a sighted person
can break copyright law just as easily as a blind person but they don't
face the same restrictions as blind people do. I thought I made that
quite clear.
to Mr. and Mrs. Tax payer aren't
making a profit?
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
I
audio.org
> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:27 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
>
> I don't agree. Someone else on this list talked about the more famous
>
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:27 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
I don't agree. Someone else on this list talked about the more famous
RIAA law suits, and to my knowledge none of these were directed against
blind individuals. I'
ll that to the lobbiests just in
case they brand you a pirate by association.
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: April 19, 2010 9:24 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Stil
Still no double standard?
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:27 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
I don't agree. Someone el
ltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:20 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
I don't follow. How is the copy protection scheme meant to sell players?
Who's supposed to make money with this scheme? I think the copy
protection scheme is meant to do exactly w
cussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Here are your words frank:
frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"<
pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
You can just as easily go to your loca
audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:26 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Copying DVD's you borrow from Blockbuster violates your terms and
conditions with Blockbuster. It's also stealing tha
12:13 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Are you accusing me (or anyone else on this list) of copying books?
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Robert doc Wright
Sent: Monday, Apr
lf Of James Homuth
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:38 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Audiobook sales are pretty much exactly like album sales. The publishers
see
most of the revenue from it, whereas the authors get stuck with very
little.
And, indeed
n the general public.
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Robert doc Wright
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:02 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Here are your words frank:
Still Stealing
i am quite sure that if your library knew that you were copying whole
books
that you borrowed from them they would address that issue with you.
- Original Message -
From: "Frank Ventura"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:42 A
M
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Audiobook sales are pretty much exactly like album sales. The publishers
see
most of the revenue from it, whereas the authors get stuck with very
little.
And, indeed, there are quite a few authors now who are releasing the
n
case they brand you a pirate by association.
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: April 19, 2010 9:24 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
No, but the library wo
to it.
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Robert doc Wright
Sent: April 19, 2010 11:02 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List; PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Here are your words frank:
frank.v
M
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
so, it sounds like you would prefer the NLS to use the same standards as the
public library does with their overdrive books and build in a self-destruct
feature so that you can no longer use the book after a set period of time?
-
stick to it.
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Robert doc Wright
Sent: April 19, 2010 11:02 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List; PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Here are your words frank:
fra
Here are your words frank:
frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <
pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
You can just as easily go to your local library and photocopy a book,
dub a audio t
olks you cannot leave
profit out of this conversation, sad to say.
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:16 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE:
you forgot to mention Christopher that that borrowed book from the library
has to be returned or you will be charged a late fee.
- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Chaltain"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: It&#
ilto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:03 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Wow, I can't respond to all of these unsubstantiated allegations. This
is the first I've heard though that the whole exis
"PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:10 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
If I walk into my local public library and check out a book the
librarian doesn't tell me which room in my house I can or cannot read
the book in. However with BARD they restrict
Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:03 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Wow, I can't respond to all of these unsubstantiated a
fford it, us as tax payers, would be glad to fit
the bill for that LazyBoy.
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It'
d folks now wouldn't it? Yes folks you cannot leave
profit out of this conversation, sad to say.
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:16 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussi
fit out of this conversation, sad to say.
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:16 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
The
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:01 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
BARD is under the misguided impression that, even after you download
your
copy of a particular book, BARD still owns
udio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:01 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
BARD is under the misguided impression that, even after you download
your
copy of a particular book, BARD still owns that copy. You
age -
From: "Christopher Chaltain"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Why wouldn't you be able to get a player from the NLS? If you qualify for
the BARD service then you'll be able to get a pla
nt: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:53 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
your wrong
if your cell fore proffit its elegal
if your sharing unmung friends and family etc then its fine otherwise they
need to band all cd burners, dvd records etc etc oh yeah and mp3 players to
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Well I must have been stealing when I copied music onto my tape recorder
from radio, or American Bandstand on TV!
- Original Message -
From: "mitchell"
To:
a men to that
guys can we stop this thread all ready?
- Original Message -
From: "Dane Trethowan"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
I don't quite know what this thread is all about as I
using your example. You said you paid for what you got from ITunes. You do
not pay for what yu download from BARD. There is the difference.
- Original Message -
From: "James Homuth"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:01 AM
Su
t then its fine
this was told to me buy a radio station professional who was in the
indistory fore over 15 years
- Original Message -
From: "Tom"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
The websites that allow you to download music and o
same things with screen readers most blind are on ssi and can't aford 800
dollar plus screen readers
- Original Message -
From: "mitchell"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealin
uthor?
- Original Message -
From: "mitchell"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Amen
Mitchell
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...
the only small difference with BARD is that you don't buy the book from BARD
so you own no part of it even though its on your computer.
- Original Message -
From: "James Homuth"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:36
But NLS allows people to download books from the Bard site.
- Original Message -
From: "Ford Blackwell"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
but from Bard, which was your example,
Well I must have been stealing when I copied music onto my tape recorder
from radio, or American Bandstand on TV!
- Original Message -
From: "mitchell"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Ste
several different book
players.
--
Christopher
chalt...@gmail.com
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:48 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Steal
o.org]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:17 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
I've said it before, but it deserves to be said again. Just because it's
illegal does not, under any circumstances, mean it's wrong. It j
-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of mitchell
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:54 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
I never read anything that sed he was redistributing anything. I some times
by
High Rob,
Ok, I will except it the way you intended it.
My best regards to you too as well.
John.
- Original Message -
From: " Rob Tabor"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Hi, John.
My &
#x27;t sell the recordings or
pass them indiscriminately to others, you are doing A OK.
Best regards
Rob Tabor
- Original Message -
From: "DJ DOCTOR P"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
High Rob,
- Original Message -
From: "Dane Trethowan"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
I don't quite know what this thread is all about as I haven't been
following it but the subject line seems to sug
Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Hello James and others,
I was accused by Tom of stealing because I make copies of CD's that my
boss orders for his radio station.
Sometimes, he orders more CD's then we really nee
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
The RIAA is in quite a bit of hot water right now because of its legal
tactics over the last few years. Namely, sue first, intimidate second, ask
questions later.
, and it is given to me, then I can't be stealing it.
John.
- Original Message -
From: "James Homuth"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Well, then, folks are just going to hav
org]
> On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:18 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
>
> A few points.
>
> Copying someone else's CD's is illegal.
>
> If someone gives y
Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
A few points.
Copying someone else's CD's is illegal.
If someone gives you a CD then that is not illegal.
It's my understanding that sometimes special CD's can be distributed to
broadcasters with the agreemen
o Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
The RIAA is in quite a bit of hot water right now because of its legal
tactics over the last few years. Namely, sue first, intimidate second, ask
questions later. They sued a 60-year-old wo
ter all. Nothing to do with
the fact they get pretty much all the money generated by CD sales anyway.
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: April 18, 2010 2:38 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: It
c-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: April 18, 2010 6:02 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Hi John and list.
I'm going to comment on several messages that I've seen on this topic.
or the consumer.
- Original Message -
From: "DJ DOCTOR P"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
High Bob,
I wasn't gonna brake this on the list, but after talking it over with my
wife, here it is.
Lo
e stores.
John.
- Original Message -
From: "Bob Seed"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
I should add that the CD's that radio stations usually give away on air are
promotional CD's, so
n...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: April 18, 2010 6:18 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
A few points.
Copying someone else's CD's is illegal.
If someone gives you a CD then that
DOCTOR P"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Hello James and others,
I was accused by Tom of stealing because I make copies of CD's that my
boss orders for his radio station.
Sometimes, he orders more
d records from the
super stars that gave them to me?
John.
- Original Message -
From: "Bob Seed"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Having worked at a radio station for 30 plus years I can tell
s of vinyl that you can't duplicate with CD'S.
.
- Original Message -
From: "DJ DOCTOR P"
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Hello James and others,
I was accused by Tom of stealing because
omething, I'll ask for it.
And, if I ask for it, and it's given to me, then I can't be stealing it.
John.
- Original Message -
From: "Kevin Minor"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: It's Still
sing the line by
redistributing this material.
--
Christopher
chalt...@gmail.com
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 3:52 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still
From: "mitchell"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Abbsalootly correct. That was all I was trying to say. I just used bard as
an example. It isn't steeling if it is given to you. T
Hi John and list.
I'm going to comment on several messages that I've seen on this topic.
First, John, I wonder if your direct boss is the owner of the station. If
he is, the station may get into trouble if publishers find out he is
allowing material sent to the station is being copied. This mat
-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 3:52 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Hello James and others,
I was accused by Tom of stealing because I make copies of CD's that my boss
orders for his radio station.
Sometimes,
ing it.
John.
- Original Message -
From: "James Homuth"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Well, then, folks are just going to have to look for alternatives. Which
means more of th
Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
and who determines if the media is overpriced? Just because you think
something is overpriced doesn't give you the right to steal it.
Christopher
chalt...@gma
e the point.
Mitchell
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:13 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
BARD is not a business or a company a
boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:18 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
I don't think BARD has anything to do with this argument. Downloading a
book from BARD and keeping it around for your own personal use isn&#
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:09 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Ok, so you say, "it's still stealing."
Then you tell me, why are there still some websi
c-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:28 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
But with Bard, you're not permitted to share and you have to qualify for
their service by being blind and h
2 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Actually, the consequences of wide spread piracy from outlets like Bard will
be the elimination of the service.
- Original Message -
From: "James Homuth"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'&
18, 2010 11:51 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
but from Bard, which was your example, you don't have permission.
- Original Message -
From: "mitchell"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43
Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:01 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
BARD is under the misguided impression that, even af
Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:28 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
But with Bard, you're not permitted to share and you have to qualify for
their service by being blind and having a player that they authroize. There
is a specific exception in the copyright
nd it cost a whole lot less than the VR Stream.
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of mitchell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:46 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Your rite, but after y
The websites that allow you to download music and other
copyrighted material are illegal in the United States. Many
of these sites are not in the United States and there have
been situations where The the United States have put blocks
on these out of country websites. The RIAA is going after
First, there is material which is free or in the public domain and can
legally be made available for free from a web site.
Second, just because some web sites get away with illegally distributing
music or videos doesn't maen it's legal for others to do it.
I wonder if you're referring to P2P
t you stol
something.
Mitchell
-Original Message-
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:51 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
but from Bard, which was your example,
o.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:51 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
but from Bard, which was your example, you don't have permission.
- Original Message -
From: "mitch
g]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:01 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
BARD is under the misguided impression that, even after you download your
copy of a particular book, BARD still owns that copy. You have no legal
auth
Amen
Mitchell
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From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:04 AM
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Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Well, then, folks are just going to h
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On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:52 AM
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Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
But Bard is funded by Congress, not exactly the most liberal or
understanding of organizations
ject: Re: It's Still Stealing
but from Bard, which was your example, you don't have permission.
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From: "mitchell"
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
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On Behalf Of mitchell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:46 AM
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Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Your rite, but after you download the file you don't return it. The books
you download are coppy protected, so how are you not steeling it then. Y
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Sure, if you believe BARD. Unfortunately, they're borrowing talking points
from the recording industry. And those talking points have been debunked 6
ways from Sunday.
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but from Bard, which was your example, you don't have permission.
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From: "mitchell"
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
That's absulootly rite, b
hat either.
Mitchell
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From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:28 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
But with Bard, you're not permitted t
Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:42 AM
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Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Actually, the consequences of wide spread piracy from outlets like Bard will
be the elimination of the service.
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