Re: It's Still Stealing

Sun, 18 Apr 2010 21:04:39 -0700 

High Rob,
Ok, I will except it the way you intended it.
My best regards to you too as well.
 John.
----- Original Message ----- From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.ta...@sbcglobal.net> 
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Hi, John.
My "self appointed vigilantee" statement was not directed at you, although it appears that way, which is the reason for my earlier apology with partial retraction. I too feel Tom is accusing you wrongfully of stealing intellectual property. I think as long as you don't sell the recordings or pass them indiscriminately to others, you are doing A OK. 
Best regards
Rob Tabor
----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <djdoct...@att.net> 
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High Rob,
If you really want to stop it, then take it up with the one that started it. 
Take it up with the list owner, he's the one that started it, I didn't!
 John.
----- Original Message ----- From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.ta...@sbcglobal.net> 
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:35 PM
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Here, Here! I think it's time we stop behaving like a bunch of self appointed vigillanties and stop these gratuitous and unsolicited theft accusations. 
Tabor
----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <djdoct...@att.net> 
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 3:51 PM
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Hello James and others,
I was accused by Tom of stealing because I make copies of CD's that my boss orders for his radio station. 
Sometimes, he orders more CD's then we really need.
He lets us pick and choose what we want and take them home with us.
I am telling you all right out, that my boss gives us CD's.
So if he's giving them to us, then how are we stealing them from him?
And precise, everybody has taped music off the radio and movies and other shows off the TV using tape recorders and VCR's. Tom, you're guilty of this too, so you don't really have anything to say about it. 
There isn't a person on the face of this earth that hasn't done it.
People have been doing it for ages, and we are still doing it.
The only thing that has changed about it, is the digital recorders have pretty much replaced the analog recorders. This day and age, you can record a song off the radio using your cell phone to do it. 
People are doing that too as well.
I reiterate, my boss gives me the green light to do it.
I do ask!
But let the truth be told, some of my coworkers will bring in their Zoom and or iPod touch and load them up with music from the mane computer in the control room. 
And the boss doesn't know they're doing it!
Their attitude is, if it's there, then why not help yourself to it?
But in and of myself, if I want something, I'll ask for it.
If I ask for it, and it is given to me, then I can't be stealing it.
 John.
----- Original Message ----- From: "James Homuth" <ja...@the-jdh.com> 
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:03 PM
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Well, then, folks are just going to have to look for alternatives. Which means more of that stuff you call stealing. Either way, the government still 
gets it wrong and BARD only further proves why 20th century business
practices don't work in a 21st century industry.

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] 
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:52 AM
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Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing

But Bard is funded by Congress, not exactly the most liberal or
understanding of organizations. If they hear from their "constituants" not 
generally us, they'll pull the plug.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Homuth" <ja...@the-jdh.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43 AM
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Sure, if you believe BARD. Unfortunately, they're borrowing talking
points from the recording industry. And those talking points have been 
debunked 6 ways from Sunday.

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Sent: April 18, 2010 11:42 AM
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Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing

Actually, the consequences of wide spread piracy from outlets like
Bard will be the elimination of the service.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:36 AM
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Apple tried to do the exact same thing with their iTunes. They tried
limitting exactly what type of player you could put their music etc on 
in the same way BARD is. The reasons that didn't work are the exact
same reasons BARD shouldn't be doing that either. If you get your
hands on something, whether you have legal access to do so or not,
you're going to want to do whatever you want with that something.
Either put it on a CD, or copy it to something smaller than your
Victor Reader, or any number of things. And if someone wants to burn
that book to a CD, or do something else with it that BARD has decided 
they're not allowed to, even though they have legal access to it,
people are just going to find less legal means to do so.
Rather than prop up and defend an out of date business model, people
should be pushing companies like BARD to get caught up with the rest
of the world and actually give people a choice as to what to do with
their acquisitions.

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
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On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:28 AM
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Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing

But with Bard, you're not permitted to share and you have to qualify
for their service by being blind and having a player that they authroize. 
There
is a specific exception in the copyright law for Bard and Bookshare
type services.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mitchell" <mitchellgre...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:17 AM
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I'm with you man, if it is steeling then why is it all rite to use
bard with the book players, because you are downloading the books.
Then you are not giving them back. Not a problem as far as I am
concerned.
Mitchell

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
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On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:09 AM
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Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing

Ok, so you say, "it's still stealing."
Then you tell me, why are there still some websites that lets you
download music and audio books without having to pay anything for it? 
Yes these sites still exist, and people are downloading music and
audio books without having to pay a dime for it.
Explain that one to me, if you can!
 John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <t...@pc-audio.org>
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 AM
Subject: It's Still Stealing
It's still stealing whether or not your boss gives you permission to 
copy it.

Tom

** Message From: DJ DOCTOR P **
>High Tom,
>I don't do it unless my boss gives me the green light to
do it.
>If he says yes, then I do it.
>But if he says no, then it doesn't happen.


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