I don't quite know what this thread is all about as I haven't been following it but the subject line seems to suggest what I'm thinking, the thread is "still stealing" a lot of my band width which could be made useful for other interesting threads on this list <smile>.
On 19/04/2010, at 10:54 AM, mitchell wrote: > I never read anything that sed he was redistributing anything. I some times > by a new cd, and then make a coppy of it to put in my wifes truck for our > listing plusher. I have even been given a promoitinal cd from a concert, and > done the same thing, and the cd came up missing. So are you saying that if I > do this and some one gets my coppyed vershin and gets cought with I will be > held responsible? > Mitchell > > -----Original Message----- > From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] > On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:18 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing > > A few points. > > Copying someone else's CD's is illegal. > > If someone gives you a CD then that is not illegal. > > It's my understanding that sometimes special CD's can be distributed to > broadcasters with the agreement that they not be redistributed. I obviously > have no idea if that's what's going on in this case. > > Copying something you purchased or owned for your own personal use is not > illegal, although there's some grey area here, it's generally assumed that > no one will challenge the fair use laws. > > Making analog copies of material broadcast on TV or radio has always been > permitted, but again, this is for your own personal use and not to be > redistributed. Obviously, this has become more problematic for publishers > with digital broadcasts and copies, although it still seems to be allowed > for personal use. Obviously, you're clearly crossing the line by > redistributing this material. > > > -- > Christopher > chalt...@gmail.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] > On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 3:52 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing > > Hello James and others, > I was accused by Tom of stealing because I make copies of CD's that my boss > orders for his radio station. > Sometimes, he orders more CD's then we really need. > He lets us pick and choose what we want and take them home with us. > I am telling you all right out, that my boss gives us CD's. > So if he's giving them to us, then how are we stealing them from him? > And precise, everybody has taped music off the radio and movies and other > shows off the TV using tape recorders and VCR's. > Tom, you're guilty of this too, so you don't really have anything to say > about it. > There isn't a person on the face of this earth that hasn't done it. > People have been doing it for ages, and we are still doing it. > The only thing that has changed about it, is the digital recorders have > pretty much replaced the analog recorders. > This day and age, you can record a song off the radio using your cell phone > to do it. > People are doing that too as well. > I reiterate, my boss gives me the green light to do it. > I do ask! > But let the truth be told, some of my coworkers will bring in their Zoom and > or iPod touch and load them up with music from the mane computer in the > control room. > And the boss doesn't know they're doing it! > Their attitude is, if it's there, then why not help yourself to it? > But in and of myself, if I want something, I'll ask for it. > If I ask for it, and it is given to me, then I can't be stealing it. > John. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Homuth" <ja...@the-jdh.com> > To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:03 PM > Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing > > >> Well, then, folks are just going to have to look for alternatives. >> Which means more of that stuff you call stealing. Either way, the >> government still gets it wrong and BARD only further proves why 20th >> century business practices don't work in a 21st century industry. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org >> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] >> On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell >> Sent: April 18, 2010 11:52 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing >> >> But Bard is funded by Congress, not exactly the most liberal or >> understanding of organizations. If they hear from their "constituants" >> not >> generally us, they'll pull the plug. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James Homuth" <ja...@the-jdh.com> >> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43 AM >> Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing >> >> >>> Sure, if you believe BARD. Unfortunately, they're borrowing talking >>> points from the recording industry. And those talking points have >>> been debunked 6 ways from Sunday. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org >>> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] >>> On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell >>> Sent: April 18, 2010 11:42 AM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing >>> >>> Actually, the consequences of wide spread piracy from outlets like >>> Bard will be the elimination of the service. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "James Homuth" <ja...@the-jdh.com> >>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:36 AM >>> Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing >>> >>> >>>> Apple tried to do the exact same thing with their iTunes. They tried >>>> limitting exactly what type of player you could put their music etc >>>> on in the same way BARD is. The reasons that didn't work are the >>>> exact same reasons BARD shouldn't be doing that either. If you get >>>> your hands on something, whether you have legal access to do so or >>>> not, you're going to want to do whatever you want with that something. >>>> Either put it on a CD, or copy it to something smaller than your >>>> Victor Reader, or any number of things. And if someone wants to burn >>>> that book to a CD, or do something else with it that BARD has >>>> decided they're not allowed to, even though they have legal access >>>> to it, people are just going to find less legal means to do so. >>>> Rather than prop up and defend an out of date business model, people >>>> should be pushing companies like BARD to get caught up with the rest >>>> of the world and actually give people a choice as to what to do with >>>> their acquisitions. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org >>>> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] >>>> On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell >>>> Sent: April 18, 2010 11:28 AM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing >>>> >>>> But with Bard, you're not permitted to share and you have to qualify >>>> for their service by being blind and having a player that they >>>> authroize. >>>> There >>>> is a specific exception in the copyright law for Bard and Bookshare >>>> type services. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "mitchell" <mitchellgre...@gmail.com> >>>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:17 AM >>>> Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm with you man, if it is steeling then why is it all rite to use >>>>> bard with the book players, because you are downloading the books. >>>>> Then you are not giving them back. Not a problem as far as I am >>>>> concerned. >>>>> Mitchell >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org >>>>> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] >>>>> On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:09 AM >>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>>> Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing >>>>> >>>>> Ok, so you say, "it's still stealing." >>>>> Then you tell me, why are there still some websites that lets you >>>>> download music and audio books without having to pay anything for it? >>>>> Yes these sites still exist, and people are downloading music and >>>>> audio books without having to pay a dime for it. >>>>> Explain that one to me, if you can! >>>>> John. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Tom" <t...@pc-audio.org> >>>>> To: <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 AM >>>>> Subject: It's Still Stealing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It's still stealing whether or not your boss gives you permission >>>>>> to copy it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> ** Message From: DJ DOCTOR P ** >>>>>>> High Tom, >>>>>>> I don't do it unless my boss gives me the green light to >>>>>> do it. >>>>>>> If he says yes, then I do it. >>>>>>> But if he says no, then it doesn't happen. > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
