Copying DVD's you borrow from Blockbuster violates your terms and
conditions with Blockbuster. It's also stealing that DVD from the DVD's
distributor. Just because they're not doing more to proactively prevent
you from copying the DVD, through implementing some DVD copy protection,
doesn't make it legal for you to copy the DVD.
I'm not sure how you know this isn't effecting blockbuster's bottom
line. Given their financial woes of late, they obviously have a lot of
pressure on their bottom line.
I also disagree that your library doesn't care if you're making copies
of their books. If publishers thought that library patrons were making
copies of library books and that was cutting into their bottom line then
they'd go after the libraries or stop making books available to the
libraries. This isn't much of an issue with hardcopies, but it's
obviously more of an issue for digital material where the copying and
distribution process is so easy and inexpensive.
I suppose it's true that libraries don't care what MP3 player you use,
but as with most material on Overdrive, they do want you to play it on a
player capable of playing DRM protected WMA files. The original DRM
protected WMA file will also expire after two weeks and then according
to your terms and conditions, you are responsible for destroying any
copies you made for your own personal use.
If I'm following your logic then it would be OK if everyone proactively
pursued some sort of copy protection. Your argument seems to be that
copy protection isn't bad just the fact that the methods of copy
protection are inconsistent.
--
Christopher
chalt...@gmail.com
On 4/19/2010 10:45 AM, James Homuth wrote:
They may not openly allow you to copy a book, but they're not openly
stopping you either. It's the same thing with renting a movie from
Blockbuster and copying it onto a blank DVD. They don't openly allow you,
but Blockbuster's not doing much to discourage you either. And it hasn't
exactly hurt their bottom line any. At least, not anymore than places like
Netflicks do, who actually allow you to stream movies online right from
their website, legally. Your local library's the same way. Whether or not
you take the book home, copy it, and bring it back, or not, isn't hurting
their bottom line any. At the end of the day, you still only check the book
out once. The library probably doesn't really care what you do with it
afterwards, so long as it comes back in the same condition it left in. I
could go into my library, check out a book, give it to you for a week to
read if you don't have a card at that particular library, then turn it back
in at the end of the week. Did you copy it during that week you had it?
Maybe, maybe not. Do I care? No. Does the library? No, so long as I still
bring the original book back at the end of the week. And again, just to
drive the point home, the public library doesn't care what you use to play
that audiobook you checked out from them. You don't need to check out a
specific MP3 player just to be able to listen to it. So really, that's a
pretty bad comparison to BARD if you really want to stick to it.
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Robert doc Wright
Sent: April 19, 2010 11:02 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List; PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Here are your words frank:
frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"<
pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
You can just as easily go to your local library and photocopy a book,
dub a audio tape or copy an overdrive book. Does the government think
blind folks are more predispositioned to piracy than ordinary folks,
that we need such extreme measures that the rest of our culture does
not?
What did you mean by this?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Ventura"<frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List"<pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:05 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Chris, I wasn't even suggesting that the local lending library would
allow you to make copies of any of their material, of course they would
not and should not. My point was that local lending libraries make
material available to the public that is just as easily pirated as BARD
but they don't shoehorn patrons into supporting the for profit business
of mandatory players. That would be like going to my local lending
library and checking out a book and have them tell me that I can only
read it while sitting in a a LazyBoy Recliner, not another brand. But,
of course if I can't afford it, us as tax payers, would be glad to fit
the bill for that LazyBoy.
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:24 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
No, but the library won't let you make copies of that book and give them
away or sell them to others. The copy protection scheme with BARD books
is intended to keep these books from getting into the general public and
impacting the sales of audio books. This kind of protection is necessary
in order to ensure cooperation with the publishers. I think the attitude
of some on this list that once they have an MP3 in their possession
they're able to do with it whatever they want demonstrates why the NLS
and other companies and agencies need to take such action.
Although I'm sure the vendor manufacturing the players is doing it for a
profit, I'm not sure how you know they're making tons of money (whatever
that means). I also have no ideas what insentives you're talking about.
If you're implying that kickbacks are involved then that's illegal and
you should report that. I also don't see how the 3rd party players are
raking in the dough from this, unless by providing this feature they're
boosting their sales. I don't see anything wrong with that by the way.
Christopher
chalt...@gmail.com
On 4/19/2010 8:10 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:
If I walk into my local public library and check out a book the
librarian doesn't tell me which room in my house I can or cannot read
the book in. However with BARD they restrict qualified persons as to
which player the must use. The government is buying tons of those new
digital players and someone is making tons of money building and
selling
them to the government and someone in said government is receiving
"incentives" to continue this practice? So does anyone not think it is
all about money?
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:01 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
BARD is under the misguided impression that, even after you download
your
copy of a particular book, BARD still owns that copy. You have no
legal
authority to do anything, considered legal or otherwise, with that
copy.
Not
only is that incorrect, but it's also even more restrictive than even
the
most literally interpreted copyright law. Again, I'll use my example
of
iTunes. You pay for a couple songs from iTunjes. They're now yours.
Apple no
longer owns those copies. You can put them on your iWhatever, burn
them
to a
CD, do pretty much whatever you want with them. Not true with BARD.
And
it's
business models like that that convince people to do things you would
call
stealing.
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:51 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
but from Bard, which was your example, you don't have permission.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mitchell"<mitchellgre...@gmail.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"<pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
That's absulootly rite, but after you qualify for the servis, and
down
load
the file you still don't return it so if this all rite then how is
tom
or
anyone who has someone's pramition to coppy a fyle then how is it
steeling?
Mitchell
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:37 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
Apple tried to do the exact same thing with their iTunes. They tried
limitting exactly what type of player you could put their music etc
on
in
the same way BARD is. The reasons that didn't work are the exact same
reasons BARD shouldn't be doing that either. If you get your hands on
something, whether you have legal access to do so or not, you're
going
to
want to do whatever you want with that something. Either put it on a
CD,
or
copy it to something smaller than your Victor Reader, or any number
of
things. And if someone wants to burn that book to a CD, or do
something
else
with it that BARD has decided they're not allowed to, even though
they
have
legal access to it, people are just going to find less legal means to
do
so.
Rather than prop up and defend an out of date business model, people
should
be pushing companies like BARD to get caught up with the rest of the
world
and actually give people a choice as to what to do with their
acquisitions.
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:28 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
But with Bard, you're not permitted to share and you have to qualify
for
their service by being blind and having a player that they authroize.
There
is a specific exception in the copyright law for Bard and Bookshare
type
services.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mitchell"<mitchellgre...@gmail.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"<pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing
I'm with you man, if it is steeling then why is it all rite to use
bard with the book players, because you are downloading the books.
Then you are not giving them back. Not a problem as far as I am
concerned.
Mitchell
-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:09 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing
Ok, so you say, "it's still stealing."
Then you tell me, why are there still some websites that lets you
download music and audio books without having to pay anything for
it?
Yes these sites still exist, and people are downloading music and
audio books without having to pay a dime for it.
Explain that one to me, if you can!
John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom"<t...@pc-audio.org>
To:<pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 AM
Subject: It's Still Stealing
It's still stealing whether or not your boss gives you permission
to
copy it.
Tom
** Message From: DJ DOCTOR P **
High Tom,
I don't do it unless my boss gives me the green light to
do it.
If he says yes, then I do it.
But if he says no, then it doesn't happen.
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