Wow, this is still going? Most people have lives and don't need to chime in on such drivel! I just wish our moderator had taken the initiative to stop the band width usage, on this ridiculous thread, a couple of days ago! The debate will rage on, in spite of all of our best wishes, as debates do, that get legs of their own!
-Mac- ----- Original Message ----- From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.ta...@sbcglobal.net> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing Amen and thank you, Judy. So far I have counted four people including myself who want to drop this thread because of its transparently acusatory overtones. However, copyywrite protection raises interesting issues which I think have been pretty thoroughly hashed and rehashed. RT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy W" <ju...@austin.rr.com> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing > > Most thinking people understand both sides of this issue and will do what > they choose to do in the end so could we please drop it! > > Judy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] > On Behalf Of Frank Ventura > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:13 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing > > Are you accusing me (or anyone else on this list) of copying books? > > -----Original Message----- > From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org > [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Robert doc Wright > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:54 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing > > i am quite sure that if your library knew that you were copying whole > books > that you borrowed from them they would address that issue with you. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Ventura" <frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:42 AM > Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing > > >> That is where you are wrong. There are many folks whom have made very >> handsome profits from BARD. Those players don't just fall from the sky >> you know. They cost money to make and design and that is profit for >> someone. Also the very existence of BARD is, and has always, been to >> provide paid positions for some very connected blind folks. Think > about >> it. Why do we even need our own system of libraries? Hundreds of >> thousands of local lending libraries throughout the US provide a range >> of print, audio, visual, and electronic media to lend to the masses >> every day without the same knee jerk concerns of copyright violation. >> You can just as easily go to your local library and photocopy a book, >> dub a audio tape or copy an overdrive book. Does the government think >> blind folks are more predispositioned to piracy than ordinary folks, >> that we need such extreme measures that the rest of our culture does >> not? There is no reason why our nations infrastructure of lending >> libraries could not be the venues for electronic media not just for > the >> sighted but blind alike but that would take payola out of the pockets > of >> quite a few blind folks now wouldn't it? Yes folks you cannot leave >> profit out of this conversation, sad to say. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org >> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher > Chaltain >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:16 AM >> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing >> >> The reason in my mind is that you are signing up for a service > provided >> by >> the US government. This service is free of charge, and you are > agreeing >> to >> it's terms when you sign up for it. The law enabling this service aims >> to provide material free to the blind while protecting the rights of >> the publishers. This program is intended for all blind citizens of the >> US and not just those with PC's. This is not a business or profit >> making venture, but is paid for by tax dollars, of which I'm a tax >> payer. Your > analogies >> to >> Sony and Apple just don't apply. Even though we have the luxury of >> keeping the books around and playing them on multiple players, it >> doesn't > change >> the >> fact that this is a library, and we're borrowing these books. >> >> BTW, there is no way to listen to these books on a PC. You need a > player >> provided for free by the NLS or you can purchase several different > book >> players. >> >> -- >> Christopher >> chalt...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org >> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] >> On Behalf Of James Homuth >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:48 PM >> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing >> >> Kevin, the point is this. Why should you, after obtaining the NLS > books, >> have to go and get one of the NLS approved players just to enjoy the >> privelege of being able to listen to the book while not at the > computer? >> That would be like Soni putting out an album with copy protection that >> limitted what you could play it on to CD players manufactured by Soni. >> Soni >> already tried the whole copy protection to prevent people from putting >> the contents of CD's on their computers, or copying them to other >> CD's. A pretty high-profile lawsuit later, they don't do that anymore. >> Apple tried to say you could only put music you purchased from iTunes >> on your iPod. You couldn't burn that to CD, or play it in anything >> else that wasn't > either >> your iPod or iTunes. Specificly, the version of iTunes on the computer >> to which it was downloaded. Without getting into the nitty gritty > details, >> let's just say they don't do that anymore either. The same applies to >> NLS. >> The only reason it hasn't changed yet is because there's no reason for >> them to, according to them. Hence, people will continue to break the >> copy protection anyway. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org >> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] >> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor >> Sent: April 18, 2010 6:02 PM >> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing >> >> Hi John and list. >> >> I'm going to comment on several messages that I've seen on this topic. >> >> First, John, I wonder if your direct boss is the owner of the station. >> If >> he is, the station may get into trouble if publishers find out he is >> allowing material sent to the station is being copied. This material > is >> specificly for the use of the station. In fact, I'm not sure if the >> owner of the CD actually owns the music. With software, you are >> licensed to use the software. You don't own the copy you use, you >> just have a license for it. I'm not blaming you for copying the CD's. >> Just be aware that the station could be in legal trouble if >> investigated. >> >> As for using VCR's or tape recorders, this has been a debate that the >> publishers of material have had with people for years. I don't know > the >> legal wording, but I believe that courts have ruled that so long as > you >> use >> the material you obtain from over the air, you have the right to use > it >> for >> your own private use. This also holds for albums you buy. If you >> decide to make a compilation CD for a friend, technicly you're >> breaking the law. >> I'm >> guilty of doing this myself. I'm not getting anything for what I do >> either, but that doesn't make what I do legal. >> >> As for recording material over a computer, there has been a product >> cease production precisely because of this, and it made many blind >> people > mad. >> XM >> had a great device called a PCR. You'd hook the antenna to it, run a >> cable from it to either the line in jack of your sound card or stereo, >> and hook it up to your computer with a USB cable. The software that >> came with it displayed the channel you were on, as well as the title >> and artist of the song being played. Unfortunately, someone figured >> out how to convert the audio into labeled mp3 files. I say >> unfortunately, because the RIAA learned about this and threated to sue >> XM. The product no longer was made. I did get lucky and purchased >> one of these. It's not the most accessible piece of equipment with a >> screen reader, but you can view the title of the song that is being >> played, as well as easily switch channels by entering their number. >> >> Now for my comments on BARD, which I'll call NLS. First, it's not > true >> that >> you have to buy a player to listen to NLS books. Your local library > can >> provide you with a free player to play this content. It not only > plays >> NLS >> content, but mp3 files, as well as some other standard audio file >> formats. >> It's true that you can't play things like books from Audible, but you >> can't beat the price of either the player or the books you can >> download. > It's >> true that the books are in a protected form, but I personally don't > have >> a >> problem with this. >> >> Finally, we could have limitless arguments on what publishers should > get >> for >> their work, how they protect it, and ways to circumvent these > protection >> schemes. In short, if someone copy protects something, someone will >> find a way to crack it. As for NLS, I think it's sad that it's >> limited to > U.S. >> citizens, but I understand why. >> >> Have a good day, and don't work too hard. >> >> Kevin Minor >> kmi...@windstream.net >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
