nd the Windows
>>> Assistive
>>> Technology developers do in fact have much left to offer the great
>>> majority
>>> of those of us who use Windows. Not least because the vast majority
>>> of the
>>> working world uses Windows . But yes, their pro
ssage -
From: "Alex Jurgensen"
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
> Hi,
> James,
>
> I disagree. When working in a primarily Windows network I had no
> problem accessing all services though my Macbook. It was seemless.
&
-
> From: "william lomas"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
>
>>
>> you know why?
>> because the i phone is way more superior than the pac mate
>> let him pay 3000 US dollars or more
so.
Take care
James
- Original Message -
From: "william lomas"
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
> you know why?
> because the i phone is way more superior than the pac mate
> let him pay 3000 US dollars or m
gt;>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>
ott Howell
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
>
>
> You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's case, I
> have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on
Agreed. My hair splitting was just that from a user perspective I really
could care less if the app is executing in the background or not. Sure
there are a few exceptions where the lack of background execution is a
problem but for everything else it just doesn't matter. It's not like
I'm encodi
I think, too, that the one thing that is being lost in the
picture is that the iPhone is just a phone. Yes, it certainly does
much more than a phone, but I think that the extent and tasks that
some are considering to be the proverbial, cons, comes from this very
fact. We are not ta
Hey Cara and Scott,
LOL Cara! Well, you are the first person I've known with multi-
batteries, so I stand corrected on that. I still think it is far more
an exception than a rule. LOL.
Scott, yes, I like TOS way better than TNG. In fact, I'm a huge
Trekkie, and TNG is my least liked of the v
Hi, Josh,
Phew, I think we agree too. [just don't say you
like Trek:OS better than TNG although your
earlier post about having an original
communicator wallpaper is alarming]. But
Yes your points make sense, but I'm seeing a
little misinformation on both the radical PC
right and radical MA
Okay, I'm going to burst everyone's bubble here and say I'm one of
those people who has had more than one phone battery for many phones
I've had. And no, I am not a huge fan of Star Trek the original
series! lol! I like TNG, voyager and Enterprise! *smirk*
Now do I need to separate y
Well, as others have pointed out, there is a very, very small number
of uses for which the push notification is not appropriate. However,
as I said before, they've solved the vast majority of issues this
way. I don't think we exactly disagree, but I think that the number
of users who will
Hi, Josh,
Take a closer look at what is possible via push in the APIs and you
may be surprised at how limiting it is. Your argument about Apple
solving the problem by introducing push is more marketing hype than
fact. At the core, you can't keep sockets open in the background
which many RF
However, if you are composing a message and you go back into messagaes
and in to that message, your keyboard will still be there and the text
in the edit field you had put in before you left it by hitting the
home button will still be there. My understanding is that in most
situations it can not
Hi Scott,
See my comments inline. :)
On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:
> I love the iPhone, but I have to disagree. I
> think both points have some merit. The iPhone is
> not for everyone..
>
Nor will you ever hear me sayt that any one device is for everyone. :)
> 1. Multi
Of course the iPhone was never marketed as a notebook either. I'm not
sure how the windows smart phones handle the same processing since I
really haven't bothered to use my current phone since it's a drag, but
I suspect things could very well change in the not so distant future.
I think wh
Hi,
I don't think it's splitting hairs. The iPhone simply does not
support background processing for apps. I agree with everything else
you said, it was a conscious design decision, and as I stated a limit
I was willing to accept. But, it should be noted that there are
compromises made on
No. You can have it just act as a compatability layer.
Regards,
Alex,
On Jul 14, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> And that's called not irc, that's called a irc proxy hack.
>
>
> --Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> At 12:09 PM -0700 7/14/09, Alex wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> You can have a intermed
Hi,
And that's called not irc, that's called a irc proxy hack.
--Scott
At 12:09 PM -0700 7/14/09, Alex wrote:
>Hi,
>
>You can have a intermediate server push IRC messages to you.
>
>Regards,
>Alex,
>
>
>On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I love the iPh
As far as #1 (multitasking) goes it's kind of splitting hairs to argue
whether the phone has 'true' multitasking or not. For the sake of
battery life and CPU load Apple made an architectural limitation of only
one app running at any one time. For 99% of use cases this was fine
because the spee
Hi,
You can have a intermediate server push IRC messages to you.
Regards,
Alex,
On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Scott Bresnahan wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I love the iPhone, but I have to disagree. I
> think both points have some merit. The iPhone is
> not for everyone..
>
> 1. Multitasking is a sho
I honestly think battery issues are across the board, so I personally
would take VO out of the picture. some apps seem to use energy if
they've been launched, I find this with those I use to connect to the
web, I.E tweetaro, and some of the games. deactivating push when you
don't need it h
Hey,
As I'm eventually looking into getting an iPhone (by which I mean next
year when things may change once again) I'm glad to hear some of it's
shortcomings. (everything has shortcomings) Out of curiosity: how has
battery life been for voiceover users? I read that it you can get 8
hours of cont
Hi,
I love the iPhone, but I have to disagree. I
think both points have some merit. The iPhone is
not for everyone..
1. Multitasking is a short coming. It's like
the Finder compared to the Multi-Finder in the
Mac Plus days. Some technologies, ssh and irc
come to mind, will not work wel
exactly. and my old simbien phone that ran talks, used to complain
constantly about me having too many apps open when I only had the
menu, short cut menu, which were open by default and another app,
constantly had to reboot my phone. hurray for Iphone.
On Jul 14, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Josh de Li
Simon,
VoiceOver on the iPhone gives full access to the device. In fact, it
gives far more access than any third-party mobile screen reader I've
ever used. What give syou the impression that it does not?
Josh de Lioncourt
…my other mail provider is an owl…
Twitter: http://twitter.com
Just want to address these comments. See my responses inline.
On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:55 PM, william lomas wrote:
> 1. i can multi task on a symbian phone i can not on the iphone
> 2. the thought of having to keep closing application x to use
> application y will be frustrating for symbian users,
n names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype:
>>>> dfibraio
>>>> Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
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>>>> Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow,
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>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Mann
> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2009 1:45 PM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
>
&g
What I was trying to say was that this coub one with mobilespeak.
M
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Sometimes people get the mental equivalent of muscle memory for a
particular style of doing something and they find it hard to be
uprooted, then of course, frustration creeps in so they end up
justifying their decisions based on a lot of emotional attachment
rather than facts. I think that
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger
> Sent: Monday, 13 July 2009 3:04 p.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
>
> Yes, I read it. What do you expectt from leadership of companies being
>
Jenny, I think there is more than just fear unless you mean the fear
of those adaptive technology developers. They are the ones who have to
fear Apple more than consumers. Of course there are those consumers
who simply discount something new because it is different than what
they have grow
What access do you not have to the device? I'm curious since I do not
have one yet.
On Jul 14, 2009, at 5:37 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
> I haven't but I also don't use the iphone, I have looked at it a
> little over
> the last few days and can say that apple are going to damage the
> symb
i bet that if it was free all of them would love it!
i hate these folks.
rossy
Il giorno 13/lug/09, alle ore 19:51, John Panarese ha scritto:
>
>I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the
> special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to
> take some
Yes,.
I think it is odd that in the blind/vi community when a "new" kid
comes on the block and is a more cost effective or something outside
th Microsoft norm that it is met with a lot of bad thoughts. It seems
some folks are fearful of changes and advancements?
Find that strange as well be
Mike, let me correct you. You indicated that one could not move by
headings etc. with the iPhone. Here is an excerp from the Apple site,
describing the web rotor.
"VoiceOver features an innovative new virtual control called a
“rotor.” Turning the rotor— by rotating two fingers on the screen
ionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Yes, I read it. What do you expectt from leadership of companies being
turned on their ear by the Apple accessibility model? Its a growing
problem for them. Too bad!
On Jul 12, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:
twitter as dfibraio
>>> personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
>>> Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow,
>>> http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisio
braio
>>> Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
>>> personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
>>> Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow,
>>> http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>>>
>>> Fro
ite: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
>> Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow,
>> http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer
>> Sent: Monday, July 13,
ys Before Tomorrow,
> http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:31 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
HI,
THis is my opinion as well. I have seen the product for an hour and
my initial thoughts are this is to cumbersome to type on etc. and to
utilise but i ahven't actaully bought the product and took it home
On 13 Jul 2009, at 22:58, Marie Howarth wrote:
> yeah, I whole heartedly agree. I'
I don't have an iphone yet but from what I've read, it's less tedious to
serf the web with the iphone than with mobile speak, sense you can move
by headings and sutch.
Mike
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I personally don't take much stock in what Mosen says anymore. Before
he went to FS he was a very fair and respected journalist. I think he
probably is a great guy personally. However, since he works for FS, he
will have a bias and an agenda which will be to promote there products
and convi
There definitely is a place for adaptive vendors but like everyone
else in this world, our places change with the times. It's happened to
all of us in one way or another.. Those who can't recognize this often
get made irrelivent by clinging to ideas that are well beyond their
best before d
9 1:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
> With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J
> keys are supposed to be? If not, I could see why it would take some
> people a little too long to find the virtual ho
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:22 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
> OK. I understand what you are saying. But is there anything about
> the I-phone beyond that? I mean, featurewise or functionality. I am
> replying to somebody who s
Hi yeah and I'll bet that mozen will probably get away with all the
critisism he gives to apple products. What I think these highway rovery
people should do, is instead of trying to shove a compettiter into the
ground, in this case, is figure out what kind of software can they build for
the i
re, I think creating an overlay would be
> challenging but its something I've thought of.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> ] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:45 PM
> To: macvisi
_
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J keys are
supp
yeah, I whole heartedly agree. I'm a little tired of the impatience by
some. The technology works, if it didn't, everyone would be
complaining. it takes time and you didn't know every hidden feature of
a mac/PC or a screen reader within a few days or weeks, did you?
On Jul 13, 2009, at 6:18
efore Tomorrow,
http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hello Damon and all:
I ha
groups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
I disagree and I dont' think you can put any markers on the screen or
it would interfere with the function of the phone. Point is there i
Yes, and since the keyboard can be switched from portrit to
landscape, this would defeat the purpose. Honestly, muscle memory and
experience will enable the user to find the home row with little
difficulty. It just takes practice. It's hard to explain if you have
not used the devic
I disagree and I dont' think you can put any markers on the screen or
it would interfere with the function of the phone. Point is there is
no struggle once you get used to the interface. It's like anything
else, you just have to get beyond the learning curve and the degree of
the curve wil
;
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
> Hi,
>
> It does GPS comprible to Trekker
And with time you will only get better. There is no question that you
are learning an entirely new environment and how to access the
interface, but once you get a handle on it, you will find that it
becomes so intuitive. The one thing I like is I can use any of the
machines in our house or
and experience to
> back up
> your claims.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Dietz
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:54 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject:
With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J keys
are supposed to be? If not, I could see why it would take some people
a little too long to find the virtual home row. If somebody can't
find the home row, it will probably be a struggle to type each key.
On Jul 13, 200
s.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> ] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
> Well let me put it into perspective from my point of view. When it
> comes rig
18 PM
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Well it would be hard for me to say much on the iPhone based on the fact I
have not had the chance to work with one. However, from my experiences and
listening to those who have used the iPhone, they seem to have better luck
navigating aroun
out his
> observations after the iPhone has been in the marketplace for almost
> a month now. But, I bet he’s never even held one in his hand so, as
> with his initial observations, any response he might give now would
> be baseless.
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegro
> ] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
> Well let me put it into perspective from my point of view. When it
> comes right down to it, cost, cost, and cost. All the a
not missing out on a GPS solution that I'm
not aware of.
Thanks,
Russell
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hi,
It
ies@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
OK. I understand what you are saying. But is there anything about the
I-phone beyond that? I mean, featurewise or functionality. I am replying to
somebody who said they get more from the i-phone than they get from their
windows m
ites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow,
> http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re:
aries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's case, I
have heard hi
erience to back up
your claims.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Dietz
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
I think that any
, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow,
http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
f Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
> Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who
> first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some
Hi James,
Without a doubt, one should be able to handle criticism, and, in
reality, criticism can be a positive thing if it is offered
constructively and thoughtfully. No technology, company or product
should be considered the perfect solution for every user. The problem
with the art
to:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
>
> Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who
> first laid hands on one o
as
> with his initial observations, any response he might give now would
> be baseless.
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> ] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegr
morrow.com
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users w
I think that anyone reading the article would know themselves that it
was written before the release of the iPhone; if I remember correctly
he stated so (correct me if I'm wrong - I'll look at it when I get
home). Anyone can speculate. A lot of the initial hype regarding the
iPhone was almost del
I assume one could search for it now. It's been a while and
since I viewed it as trash, I didn't keep the url or bother
downloading the actual article.
Take Care
John Panarese
On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:03 PM, patrickneazer wrote:
> Hello John and all:
>
> I know this has been asked so p
cvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is:
How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a
QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface inte
Hello John and all:
I know this has been asked so please forgive me.
Where can this article be obtained? I have not seen it yet though it
seems to have captured people's attention ... LOL
On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>
>I know a few folks have said this, but you have t
never figure out how to navigate web pages on that!
>
> Love my iPhone!
>
> Russell
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> ] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups
agreed!
the part that got me was the downplaying of the specs of the iPhone.
On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:51 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>
>I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the
> special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to
> take some of the exci
I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the
special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to
take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the
picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned
on just about every
kia 6620.could never
figure out how to navigate web pages on that!
Love my iPhone!
Russell
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamm
Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who
first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some
of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same
logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days
of switching from
What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so
inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first
time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for
human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems
just touching the battery s
To be honest, I don't think it was so unfairly written. I do agree
with some of the points he made, mainly those pertaining to finding
the icon which announces battery status. I quested over to the
Pentagon City Mall this weekend to have a look at the iPhone, and that
got to me a little; though I
This comes up when you do a search for Mosen and iPhone on Google.
Written before the iPhone with VO came to market I might add.
- Original Message -
From: "Jonathan Mosen"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 11:15 PM
Subject: iPhone, a Reality Check
> There's been some pretty lively di
Could someone post a link to the article please.
Greg
On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Larry Wanger wrote:
>
> Yes, I read it. What do you expectt from leadership of companies being
> turned on their ear by the Apple accessibility model? Its a growing
> problem for them. Too bad!
>
> On Jul 12, 200
Yes, I read it. What do you expectt from leadership of companies being
turned on their ear by the Apple accessibility model? Its a growing
problem for them. Too bad!
On Jul 12, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:
>
> Did anyone read the article forwarded by Jonathan Mosen on various
>
Hi there, haven't read it. Is this another one that like others we
have read is slightly miss informed, with less grounding in reality
than we would like? Also is there a link available where we could read
such?
On 12-Jul-09, at 9:43 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:
>
> Did anyone read the arti
Did anyone read the article forwarded by Jonathan Mosen on various
lists, which slammed the iPhone? I got it from a friend of mine and I
told her that, if she had any prejudices against the iPhone, to talk
to people who has the iPhone and can speak from firsthand
experiences. Richie Gard
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