Hi, Josh, Take a closer look at what is possible via push in the APIs and you may be surprised at how limiting it is. Your argument about Apple solving the problem by introducing push is more marketing hype than fact. At the core, you can't keep sockets open in the background which many RFC standards like irc, ssh, telnet etc depend. Apple's answer is well, rewrite the standard. That's not an answer. you cant' just rewrite every server platform out there to support Apple's whim of of a lame push notification method. If you're starting from scratch today, writing a new client and server platform, then sure, you can work around it. But there are a lot of pre existing technologies that won't work no matter how the app is coded simply because the problem is not with the client but the server piece the client is meant to communicate with. But again, this isn't a problem for most people, but only for those who need to multitask, like keeping multiple sessions open at a time.
As for batteries, I agree that *most* people don't' have spare batteries. However, just because you haven't met them doesn't mean they don't exist. I had two spares back when I had an analog StarTac, and I know a small fraction of people who still have spare batteries for their phones today. Granted, these folks tend to like Star Trek the original series vs tng, but I digress.... not to mention I think they try to use their phones as laptops, but who am I to argue their inefficiency. :) . I can't believe I'm arguing the devils advocate on this..... did I mention I love my iPhone? But, it just doesn't do windows, so stop pretending it does. lol --Scott >Hi Scott, > >See my comments inline. :) > >On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Scott Bresnahan wrote: >> I love the iPhone, but I have to disagree. I >> think both points have some merit. The iPhone is >> not for everyone.. >> >Nor will you ever hear me sayt that any one device is for everyone. :) > >> 1. Multitasking is a short coming. It's like >> the Finder compared to the Multi-Finder in the >> Mac Plus days. Some technologies, ssh and irc >> come to mind, will not work well on the iPhone. >> We use a custom irc server to do real time IT >> troubleshooting across our applications, and I >> cannot keep my irc session alive while I use >> Safari. This is not the case on other phone >> platforms and is a valid argument. You can't say >> that remembering your preferences and place in an >> application is the same as background processing. > >Apple has addressed this. This is not a problem with the iPHone, but >rather with whatever app you are using for IRC. Push notifications, >which developers can utilize to send notifications to the phone, can >be used to solve your IRC issue. If your IRC client has not done this >yet, it is not the iPhone's shortcoming, but rather the app's. While >there are a very few situations when the combination of saving one's >place and push notifications will not suffice, I can't readily think >of one, and the vast, vast majority of problems can be rectified with >these. Your IRC argument, in particular, is kind of like blaming the >Mac because a third-party program for chatting doesn't play a sound >when a new message comes in, for example. >> >> 2. Although you may have memorized the keypad, >> it's not reasonable to assume everyone will or >> can. Which has a faster learning curve? The >> touch screen layout or the standard keypad? I >> say this only because part of the usefulness of a >> device lies not with the expert user, but with >> the casual user. Personally, most of my numbers >> are direct dials, so I don't have the memory for >> the keypad due to lack of practice and everyday >> use, but when I do need it, I struggle and yes, a >> tactile keypad would be easier.. That said, I am >> surviving. > >I don't hardly use the keypad at all, but as it is identical to a >tactile keypad in layout, I don't think it is as difficult as you seem >to think. HOwever, as I said previously, I'll never say that any >device is perfect for everyone. All users have different abilities and >limitations, so on that point we're in agreement. But I think the >keypad thing is not as big a deal as many have said. >> >> Finally, one more con on the iPhone is the >> battery. I can imagine several use cases where a >> spare battery that's not an add on power pack >> would be required for some users. The iPhone is >> designed for a certain work flow. certain >> patterns it is not good for. I understood these >> before I bought it, but don't dismiss them as the >> Almighty iPhone is God, cause it's not. > >While I don't doubt there are some people who own extra cell phone >batteries, in all my life, of allt he people I have ever known, >through all the various cell phone models all those people have ever >owned, I have never met a single, solitary soul who had an extra >battery, unless there previous one had died and they needed to replace >it...and even then, they usually opted for a new phone. > >JMHO. :) > > > -- --Scott --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
