actually some of us are not affraid of it more like disgusted by the lack of attention to detail by people who hold themselves out as experts while doing everything possible to support an agenda.
Those who are evaluating should remain objective and as has been said before, apply their critique in such a way as to be constructive in general allowing those reading their material to make an informed decision based on fact rather than alarmist propiganda miss leading statements and half-hearted research. On 13-Jul-09, at 3:50 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > I don't think anyone is afraid of criticism, just criticism written > by those > who have not used the product for any length of time and therefore are > writing reviews and the like without practical experience. If you're > going > to level criticism you'd better have the knowledge and experience to > back up > your claims. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Dietz > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:54 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > > I think that anyone reading the article would know themselves that it > was written before the release of the iPhone; if I remember correctly > he stated so (correct me if I'm wrong - I'll look at it when I get > home). Anyone can speculate. A lot of the initial hype regarding the > iPhone was almost deliriously positive. I don't even think his > assessment was so blaringly negative as lots seem to think it was - > just some thoughts on challenges one might face. For all the flack > organizations like the NFB get for writing articles which criticize > voiceover, I don't think it's fair to say Mosen was "slamming" the > iPhone or that all of the points NFB made were invalid. I think we'd > be taken a little more seriously if we could accept criticism. I'm > definitely not saying that the iPhone is crap or anything close - I > actually think I'd be able to type more effectively on it than my > current phone as once I jab one of the tiny little keyboard buttons > the letter has been typed (and it's often th ewrong one since buttons > are hard to locate). I'm just saying that some of the functionality > is tied to the viusal interface, making it a little more cumbersome to > access. From what Shane said on the podcast, the battery icon was a > very small icon which makes it difficult to touch with the tip of > one's finger. He often had lots of trouble locating icons himself - I > remember he spent at least a minute lookking for the address bar in > safari. Of course he just received his iPhone, but in a pinch buttons > which are tied to specific actions when pressed and are (for the most > part) guaranteed to perform such an action once pressed are easier to > remember for most since that's what they are used to. Easier to locate > too, as they feel physically different to the fingertips. The iPhone > isn't necessarily right for everyone. > > On 7/13/09, John Panarese <t...@optonline.net> wrote: >> >> I assume one could search for it now. It's been a while and >> since I viewed it as trash, I didn't keep the url or bother >> downloading the actual article. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:03 PM, patrickneazer wrote: >> >>> Hello John and all: >>> >>> I know this has been asked so please forgive me. >>> >>> Where can this article be obtained? I have not seen it yet though it >>> seems to have captured people's attention ... LOL >>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the >>>> special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to >>>> try to >>>> take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the >>>> picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be >>>> turned >>>> on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have >>>> had to >>>> deal with as technology as progressed. Once again, Apple has done >>>> what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options >>>> and >>>> capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at >>>> best. It's actually quite sad. When VoiceOver first came out >>>> and I >>>> heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free >>>> screen >>>> reader on the Mac was "bad" for the blind, I knew then that there >>>> were >>>> going to be some people who would rather put politics and special >>>> interests ahead of advancement for blind users. >>>> >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> >>>> John Panarese >>>> >>>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users >>>>> who >>>>> first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess >>>>> some >>>>> of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this >>>>> same >>>>> logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the >>>>> days >>>>> of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command >>>>> line >>>>> and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas >>>>> this >>>>> to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can >>>>> already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows >>>>> mobile >>>>> device I am using currently and don't much care for. >>>>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so >>>>>> inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the >>>>>> first >>>>>> time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model >>>>>> for >>>>>> human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no >>>>>> problems >>>>>> just touching the battery status, or really much of anything >>>>>> else. >>>>>> Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the >>>>>> flick >>>>>> method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a >>>>>> brand-new and unfamiliar screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, >>>>>> inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever >>>>>> growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, >>>>>> it >>>>>> takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>>>> .my other mail provider is an owl. >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Take good care and I wish you enough. >>> >>> Love >>> >>> Me >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >> > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
