Just for your interest, in France, JAWS 10 is not available yet. JFW 9 has only quite recently come out. But yes the AT venders are greatly overpriced and in the case of one of them, I honestly don't think they should have charged for the last three versions as there was nothing worth charging for. In my opinion. Also they have introduced a feature which they charge for despite consumers already having bought the product in the first place.
Out of interest, which virtualization software do you use? Does Virtual Box work on MacOSX? Take care James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Jurgensen" <asquare...@gmail.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:49 PM Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > Hi, > James, > > I disagree. When working in a primarily Windows network I had no > problem accessing all services though my Macbook. It was seemless. > > I think that AT venders on teh Windows side are greedy for money. Just > look at the antics of FS. They sell JFW for twice as much in the UK > than in the United States. As far as my opinion is concerned, they > have very little inovation left. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 18-Jul-09, at 4:13 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> I too would like to read this article. However, competition is a good >> thing. We should rmember that Apple is first and foremost a commercial >> vender and accessibility is not necessarily at the top of their list >> although they have done, and I am sure will continue to do a >> fantastic job. >> Besides everyone is entitled to their views and the Windows Assistive >> Technology developers do in fact have much left to offer the great >> majority >> of those of us who use Windows. Not least because the vast majority >> of the >> working world uses Windows . But yes, their products are overly >> priced. Very >> much so. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "william lomas" <lomaswill...@googlemail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:37 AM >> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >> >> >>> >>> you know why? >>> because the i phone is way more superior than the pac mate >>> let him pay 3000 US dollars or more for it, an i phone is loads >>> cheaper and does everything that does? >>> can someone send me off list please, the original article he posted? >>> >>> On 18 Jul 2009, at 11:34, Jude DaShiell wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Any access technology developer who thinks that way so far as I'm >>>> concerned has nothing of any worth left to offer. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Larry Wanger wrote: >>>> >>>>> Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, >>>>> if enough >>>>> of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds more >>>>> each year >>>>> in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It's like any other >>>>> product >>>>> and the markets they compete in. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _____ >>>>> >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's >>>>> case, I >>>>> have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on observations >>>>> from >>>>> that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would sit >>>>> down >>>>> with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his >>>>> findings. >>>>> I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on his >>>>> position >>>>> regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other words, >>>>> you'd >>>>> accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving >>>>> yourself a >>>>> headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I had >>>>> with a >>>>> particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of me >>>>> expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice >>>>> to see >>>>> their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a >>>>> very much >>>>> "I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at the >>>>> very >>>>> least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid >>>>> Mac when >>>>> you have a great solution and a good os at your disposal. :) So, >>>>> the market >>>>> being what it is, I don't think you'll ever win him or most of >>>>> these folks >>>>> over. I guess I sort of understand considering that Apple is >>>>> truly a >>>>> competitor now and any competition is a threat. >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. >>>>> I am more >>>>> productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could >>>>> with my >>>>> Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had >>>>> terrible >>>>> luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I >>>>> have pages >>>>> of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he wrote >>>>> this >>>>> before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear >>>>> about how he >>>>> feels. And, like it or not, he's a "leader" if you want to call him >>>>> that, in >>>>> the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the traditional >>>>> sense; I >>>>> mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest >>>>> blindness >>>>> technology providers in the world and with that role comes some >>>>> responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to >>>>> speak >>>>> rashly about products from competitors lest you take the appearance >>>>> of being >>>>> self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the >>>>> opportunity to >>>>> set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on >>>>> my >>>>> iPhone. No, it doesn't run the KNFB reader and it doesn't have an >>>>> advanced >>>>> camera like some other phones in the world but it works a hell of a >>>>> lot >>>>> better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I wonder if he >>>>> would be >>>>> willing to sit down and write out his observations after the iPhone >>>>> has been >>>>> in the marketplace for almost a month now. But, I bet he's never >>>>> even held >>>>> one in his hand so, as with his initial observations, any response >>>>> he might >>>>> give now would be baseless. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _____ >>>>> >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de >>>>> Lioncourt >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so >>>>> inefficient is: >>>>> How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever >>>>> touched a >>>>> QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface >>>>> interaction. >>>>> After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery >>>>> status, or >>>>> really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do >>>>> not move >>>>> around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are >>>>> having >>>>> trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, >>>>> inefficient, >>>>> and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number >>>>> of VI >>>>> iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be >>>>> comfortable. >>>>> Once you are, it's fantastic. :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>>> >>>>> .my other mail provider is an owl. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>>> >>>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>>> >>>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>>> >>>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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