Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

gether experts in the field to >>>>> discuss strategies for ending the conflict, bringing the hostages home, >>>>> and how the two sides might move towards peace.” >>>>> Finally, you said, "Maybe some Isreal (sic) hate translates into Jew >>>

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

I believe that my specific criticism of Mazin Qumsiyeh is being confused with apathy towards Gazans. Nobody is asking anyone not to care about Gazans. I hope that both Gazans and Israelis will be released from the iron fist of Hamas soon, and that the safety and security of both Gazans and Israelis

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Thanks for your question. That's actually the opposite of his beliefs: In his website and blog, he specifically advocates *against* a two-state solution that could potentially promote coexistence and mutually assured safety. He does not recognize the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state, and

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Hi Kathy and LT, Jonathan has researched this speaker, and as many have written so eloquently, the poster for the event speaks volumes. It seems you may have unintentionally overlooked what Jonathan has previously written. "Imagination isn't necessary to figure out what will happen at this tal

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

From what I understand about Mazin Qumsiyeh, he is focused on the peaceful coexistence. He talks about a brutal occupation of Palestine by Israel, and perhaps that is why people find him to be a “terrorist.” I personally am looking forward to hearing what he has to say. This presentation is an op

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

them, >>> while we despise that use them for political purposes. >>> >>> We can hold special concern for oppressed populations who have suffered >>> under despotic colonial rule for centuries. >>> This country itself sought to free itself from what has become

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

I very much appreciate your response, Erica — And I wholeheartedly agree with your view expressed here. The presentation will be the opportunity to raise many of the questions/issues expressed here. And the opportunity to have such a presentation at all is one of our cherished American values

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

tes into Jew hate, >> but I would argue not all." >> >> What kind of statement is this? >> >> > Do you have evidence to support your "argument"? >> >> The logical conclusion of your statement is that it's just “some” Jew hate >>

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

I appreciate GRALTA's efforts to sponsor what sound like very knowledgeable speakers on these difficult and fraught issues. I understand the strong feelings raised by some of the language used in the flyer. However, to me the bigger moral issue is the disproportionate level of death and destruction

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

o war. >>>>>> We can hold sympathies/empathy for a civilian population being >>>>>> devastated by bombs, and want to seek ways to assist them/defend them, >>>>>> while we despise that use them for political purposes. >>

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

ealth was built on the backs of that forced labor, all while we >>>> debated how best to govern ourselves. >>>> >>>> This country, while having a ideal of tolerance, has, in practice has had >>>> racism (and all sorts of other “isms”, antisemitism included) in its DNA. >>>> >>>> History

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

h hate to go around. >>> >>> Let’s take a deep breath and recognize that perhaps it might be a good >>> thing to hear from those advocating for the rights of another peoples-the >>> Palestinians-not Hamas or Hezbollah-the Palestinians and their long h

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

recognize that perhaps it might be a good >>> thing to hear from those advocating for the rights of another peoples-the >>> Palestinians-not Hamas or Hezbollah-the Palestinians and their long history >>> of struggling to secure a homeland. >>> >>>

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Also, many Jews go back and forth between Israel and other countries, or have close relatives in both places. IDK any American or Canadian Jewish person that I can think of who does not have a relative in Israel. Having said that, IDK a single Jewish person who supports Netanyahu. (There may be

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Well said. Thank you, Seth. Emily MarcusOn Dec 3, 2024, at 5:01 PM, Seth Rosen wrote:Paul - there are many Jews who take issue with Israel’s government (American and Israeli), and many others who take issue with her approach. I see no issue with that dialogue, and I know for a fact that it occurs

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Paul - there are many Jews who take issue with Israel’s government (American and Israeli), and many others who take issue with her approach. I see no issue with that dialogue, and I know for a fact that it occurs in many and possibly every Jewish household including my own. That doesn’t change the

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Yes the speakers may intend to generate anger at Israel. Or at least recognize that will be a foreseeable reaction. However, you lose me when you then add “and by extension the Jewish community”. What is your basis for inferring that intent? And what do you mean by “the Jewish community”? I note

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Rosa, those familiar with the history will recognize the title alone as anti-semitic. It is thinly coded language and clearly meant to mirror the well-known phrase “the Jewish Problem” which was a foundational phrase used to describe Nazi ideology. The term “Jewish question” (Judenfrage) emerged i

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

While I agree that we should not censor good faith discussions on difficult topics, can we really say that that the intent of this specific meeting is in “good faith”? Let’s take a look at the invitation (please look at the pdf with the actual description of the event). It says things like the foll

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

I think the right number of hate crimes is zero. On Mon, Dec 2, 2024 at 3:46 PM Jonathan Sheffi wrote: > Paul, > > Thank you for a fascinating email. In your first paragraph, you appear to > argue that, given your perception of the Israeli government, there are too > many hate crimes against Ame

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Thank you Paul. A very thoughtful, clear response that, for me, puts these very difficult issues in perspective. Joan On Mon, Dec 2, 2024, 12:46 PM Paul Shorb wrote: > Rosa - > One can't deny the fact that sometimes, anger at Israel seems to > trigger/release/self-justify hate crimes against J

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Thank you Paul for putting forth a clear rational. > On Dec 2, 2024, at 12:46 PM, Paul Shorb wrote: > > Rosa - > One can't deny the fact that sometimes, anger at Israel seems to > trigger/release/self-justify hate crimes against Jews in the United States. > Similarly, hate crimes against Musl

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Rosa - One can't deny the fact that sometimes, anger at Israel seems to trigger/release/self-justify hate crimes against Jews in the United States. Similarly, hate crimes against Muslims soared after 9/11 ; African-Americans were lynched in N

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

How did we go from Holy Land Problem to a Drag show? Is there a Drag Show scheduled at Bemis? If so when? I would love to attend. KatieOne kind word can change someone's day!On Nov 30, 2024, at 5:47 PM, Alice Waugh wrote:Vic,This is the last public response I'll make. Have you ever been to a drag

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Vic, This is the last public response I'll make. Have you ever been to a drag show? Perhaps you have some idea that it's the same thing as a strip show. If not, you need to educate yourself. A drag show is usually men who go on stage nicely dressed as women for a "night out" (dress, geels, makeup,

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Bemis Hall, like the town, is an open, inclusive and welcoming space. A reminder-we are currently celebrating the events, debates and town votes that led us to take up arms on April 19, 1775 and gaining our independence. In 2026, we will follow the debates that broth us the Declaration of Indepe

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Dressing in drag is not "child abuse" — and certainly not when attendance at such a show is by voluntary and paid admission. Why do you feel threatened by people dressing the way they want in a performance venue for entertainment — or in public, for that matter? How do you feel about "Some Like It

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Drag queens are not perverts. Five years olds are creative, openminded, expressive little people. All choices of dress are costumes with signifiers, etc. One could say that a Lincolnite in a pair of LLBean jeans, Merrill mocs, and a Patagonia jacket is doing “drag” of a different sort. That sa

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Sorry, I don’t support child abuse. Vic On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 9:42 AM Jennifer Saffran wrote: > Drag queens are not perverts. > > Five years olds are creative, openminded, expressive little people. > > All choices of dress are costumes with signifiers, etc. One could say that > a Lincolnite in

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

"Honestly, I am shocked Bemis Hall would host an event where the description has such strong inflammatory language, which could be construed as an attack on a specific population, of which we have citizens living in Lincoln" This is the same Bemis Hall that believes it's OK to host and subject you

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Perhaps I was not clear.The event under discussion is NOT a Bemis Free Lecture.It is a citizen sponsored event.Any one is free to schedule events at Bemis HallPlease review the town website links provided.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 29, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Pat Gray wrote:Could I assume that in the fu

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Could I assume that in the future the Bemis Lectures would invite a respected spokesperson ro represent the other perspective of this divisive issue?Pat GraySent from my iPhoneOn Nov 27, 2024, at 4:38 PM, Sara Mattes wrote:I would urge all to  listen/attend before passing judgement.We have few op

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Thank you, Jonathan for sharing facts and calling out the antisemitism that is being stoked here.On Nov 28, 2024, at 6:32 AM, Jonathan Sheffi wrote:Hi Sara,Thanks for your note, and I appreciate your question. I strongly believe that politics do not belong on LT, but you insist, so I will relucta

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

The description of the event (in the pdf attached to the original email and copied below for context) is pretty one-sided and *not* conducive to “thoughtful discussion” with multiple perspectives. Honestly, I am shocked Bemis Hall would host an event where the description has such strong inflammato

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Let’s all continue to try to disagree without being disagreeable, and to work to share points of view without ad hominem attacks. It’s not easy, but is possible and necessary in a society that understands the importance of having free speech now and for the next generation. Happy Thanksgiving!Pat G

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Agreed. Thank you, Sara !!! I did not see this at all as propaganda and very much appreciated hearing about an event with thoughtful discussion. Dangerous ? Perhaps I did not read through but I did not see "false claims of genocide and apartheid". Peace ~Jai . On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 4:38 PM Sa

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

Hi Sara, Thanks for your note, and I appreciate your question. I strongly believe that politics do not belong on LT, but you insist, so I will reluctantly indulge you: Mazin Qumsiyeh is a famous conspiracy theorist. Here's one of his talks

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7

I would urge all to listen/attend before passing judgement. We have few opportunities to hear rom and question directly such individuals with direct experience. Perhaps those objecting are familiar with the speakers and would like to share their experiences so that others might know what to exp