Imagination isn't necessary to figure out what will happen at this talk. Qumsiyeh's stances are freely available on Google or YouTube. It is unlikely that this talk will vary from the message he has consistently broadcast.
Qumsiyeh has written and spoken for decades about his hatred for and bigotry against Jews: He has a blog with over 300 posts. Here's an account of a talk he gave in Brookline in 2007 <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CORf2HDWVskT7gF63gT2_hsa/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.camera.org%2Farticle%2Fexposing-mazin-qumsiyeh-s-falsehoods%2F> that sparked outrage there. He has published an "activist manual" detailing how to confront and harass Jews globally. To Lisa's point, if he had written a manual for how to harass other minority groups (e.g. POC, sexual minorities), would you still ask Lincoln to keep an open mind? This is actually a good litmus test: if one replaces the word "Jew" with "black", "Arab", "indigenous", "gay", etc., and the sentence suddenly reads badly, then it's likely antisemitic. It hurts to have the concerns of one's neighbors dismissed as closed-minded. We're telling you that we know who this man is. He is not a secret. Please listen to us. ᐧ On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 8:29 PM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would suggest that all who are having an issue with the upcoming event > organize an event that counters whatever is imagined will be presented here. > > Bemis Hall isa available to all. > > Write your own program description. > Offer speakers who might offer another view of history and the current > situation. > > The upcoming event is not advertised as a panel discussion of “opposing > sides.” > It is a program to lay out what the presenters see as a necessary story of > the current conflict. > It has a clear “bias"-it pretends to be nothing less. > There is no obligation to offer the program you would like to see. > > And to the final point-there should be no room for hate, any hate…Jews or > others! > > > On Dec 4, 2024, at 8:15 PM, Lisa Rosen <lhode...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Sara, >> >> You asked, "How can anyone say this presentation will foster >> antisemitism without actually attending and listing why and how?” >> >> I can list why and how. >> >> If someone has the phrase "From the river to the sea" in their bio or >> organization's description, >> >> > then they are not interested in peace. It's equivalent to putting a swastika > in your organization's logo. >> >> > This phrase has been used by Hamas and other Islamist terrorist groups for > years to mean a total eradication of the Jews from Israel. >> >> > They showed us on October 7 how they intend to do that. >> >> Other indicators of anti-semitic propaganda include calling Israelis >> "colonizers" (the history dispels that notion) or - my personal favorite - >> "Zionists!" >> >> > If you want to read a history of the word "Zionist" and how it has > inexplicably evolved as some kind of insult or slur, please read Noa Tishby's > "Israel: A Simple Guide To The Most Misunderstood History On Earth." >> >> > It's fact-based and well-written. >> >> The reason why folks are upset about this event is because the description >> is so wildly offensive. >> >> > The only thing missing from the actual event is Mohammed Sinwar's invitation > to be keynote speaker. >> >> A more balanced event description might look something like this: >> >> “Over one year ago, Hamas slaughtered over 1200 men, women, and children and >> took 254 hostages. >> >> > Today, 105 hostages still remain in captivity. Since Hamas effectively > declared war against Israel over a year ago, Iran and other Iranian-backed > militias have attacked Israel, expanding the conflict from Gaza to Lebanon, > the West Bank, and Iran proper. >> >> > Thousands of Palestinians have lost their lives, and there are many who > criticize Netanyahu’s motives in unnecessarily prolonging the war to avoid > facing criminal charges. >> >> In the face of rising anti-semitism in the US, an incoming Trump >> administration appears ready to confirm Israel’s right to defend itself >> though the incoming administration hasn’t outlined any policies aimed at >> ending the conflict. >> >> > To that end, we are hosting an event titled “The Hamas/Netanyahu Problem” > that will bring together experts in the field to discuss strategies for > ending the conflict, bringing the hostages home, and how the two sides might > move towards peace.” >> >> Finally, you said, "Maybe some Isreal (sic) hate translates into Jew hate, >> but I would argue not all." >> >> What kind of statement is this? >> >> > Do you have evidence to support your "argument"? >> >> The logical conclusion of your statement is that it's just “some” Jew hate >> that results from hating Israel. >> >> > Why is any level of hating Jews acceptable? >> >> Can you imagine this same discussion but replacing Jews with people of color >> or LGBTQ+? Because I can't. >> >> >> Lisa Rosen >> >> Bedford Rd. >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> >> Date: Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 6:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 >> and Saturday, Dec 7 >> To: Margo Fisher-Martin <margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> >> CC: Lincoln Talk <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> >> >> >> The only way to know if the accusations about the speakers are correct is >> to listen to them. >> Maybe some Isreal hate translate into Jew hate, but I would argue not all. >> Let's just not make blanket statements, and statements that as >> inflammatory or more so than those the speakers are accused of making. >> >> How can anyone say this presentation will foster antisemitism without >> actually attending and listing why and how? >> >> There is a lot of anxiety being expressed on these threads. >> Much of it justified, and there exists much anxiety about much, in >> addition to the increase in antisemitism. >> >> Let’s not increase anxiety further. >> >> We are a sophisticated audience that can listen and discern between some >> actual realities/facts and propaganda. >> >> We can do this! >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Margo Fisher-Martin < >> margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sara and Lt, >> >> I think that although you might be able to, many people CANNOT “walk and >> chew gum” at the same time - to use your analogy. >> I agree with Seth that Israel hate and Jew hate are very much connected, >> and this type of presentation will only foster antisemitism, no matter how >> well-meaning attendees are. >> >> Margo >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 10:26 AM Dianeclimo--- via Lincoln < >> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote: >> >>> Two comments : >>> >>> 1. The bombing of Gaza and Lebanon is directed at two terrorist >>> organizations that lead their citizens to hate the Jewish people not only >>> in Israel, and with the desire to wipe all of the Jewish people off the >>> face of the earth.This war is not for political purposes; it is for >>> survival. >>> >>> 2. Furthermore, please don’t tell me that the Palestinians have a better >>> claim to the land of Israel when the Jewish people have sought to return >>> “home” for thousands of years since the Romans destroyed the Temple in >>> Jerusalem and the diaspora began. >>> >>> How many Lincoln women, gays, transgenders, bi-sexuals would like to >>> live in Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia? Israel >>> is the ONLY place in the middle east that upholds the values for which we >>> fought for in 1775. >>> >>> >>> On 12/04/2024 9:42 AM EST Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> All, >>> I believe that we here in Lincoln can walk and chew gum at the same >>> time. >>> >>> We can love a country and its people and despise its leadership and the >>> actions of leadership, especially when it comes to war. >>> We can hold sympathies/empathy for a civilian population being >>> devastated by bombs, and want to seek ways to assist them/defend them, >>> while we despise that use them for political purposes. >>> >>> We can hold special concern for oppressed populations who have suffered >>> under despotic colonial rule for centuries. >>> This country itself sought to free itself from what has become such >>> rule, and we took up arms to that on April19,1775. >>> We “settled” this land by pushing out, removing, going to war with those >>> who had lived here before. >>> We built this country on the backs of forced labor that we brought here >>> against their will, then bought, sold traded that labor. >>> Our wealth was built on the backs of that forced labor, all while we >>> debated how best to govern ourselves. >>> >>> This country, while having a ideal of tolerance, has, in practice has >>> had racism (and all sorts of other “isms”, antisemitism included) in its >>> DNA. >>> >>> History is messy and there is enough hate to go around. >>> >>> Let’s take a deep breath and recognize that perhaps it might be a good >>> thing to hear from those advocating for the rights of another peoples-the >>> Palestinians-not Hamas or Hezbollah-the Palestinians and their long history >>> of struggling to secure a homeland. >>> >>> We can do it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> *From: *Jennifer Saffran <jennifer.saff...@gmail.com> >>> *Subject: **Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, >>> Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7* >>> *Date: *December 3, 2024 at 7:43:52 PM EST >>> *To: *Seth Rosen <rosen...@gmail.com> >>> *Cc: *Forest Brown <forestbrow...@gmail.com>, Lincoln Talk < >>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> >>> >>> Also, many Jews go back and forth between Israel and other countries, or >>> have close relatives in both places. IDK any American or Canadian Jewish >>> person that I can think of who does not have a relative in Israel. Having >>> said that, IDK a single Jewish person who supports Netanyahu. (There may be >>> someone in the US or Canada , but I don’t know them.) >>> >>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 5:01 PM, Seth Rosen <rosen...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Paul - there are many Jews who take issue with Israel’s government >>> (American and Israeli), and many others who take issue with her approach. I >>> see no issue with that dialogue, and I know for a fact that it occurs in >>> many and possibly every Jewish household including my own. >>> >>> That doesn’t change the fact that Israel hate and Jew hate are mostly >>> the same thing. It’s a fairly straightforward connection, and it can appear >>> a little disingenuous when folks don’t acknowledge it. People who have >>> anger toward Israel also have anger toward the Jews. Her enemies don’t >>> simply wish to eliminate Israel the State… they seek to eliminate every Jew >>> that lives within her borders. The so-called colonizers and zionists to >>> which the event description refers. >>> >>> Israel is the national homeland of the Jewish people. It’s a majority >>> Jewish country. It’s the only country explicitly established to provide >>> safety and security for Jews after literally millennia of persecution. >>> >>> The type of vitriolic propaganda (from the river to the sea, and the >>> like) contained in this talk is the same type that calls for the >>> elimination of the state of Israel and all the Jews in it. >>> >>> It seems like what you’re arguing is that American Jews are just very >>> different than the Israeli Jews, and you’re just talking about “the Israeli >>> ones.” It’s dangerous. We are the same people. >>> >>> The Jews over in Israel are the same people who fled persecution less >>> than 100 years ago. After the war, the very few that survived (including a >>> fortunate few in my own family) made their way there and oversaw the >>> formation, defense, and construction of the State. >>> >>> The Jews here in the US (the second largest population of Jews outside >>> of Israel) are also a relatively new phenomenon. It wasn’t until 1880 that >>> Jews came here in any significant number, fleeing persecution in Europe, >>> Russia and elsewhere. >>> >>> So to put a finer point on it — people historically haven’t liked us >>> very much. And they’ve been trying to kill us for a long time. As a >>> result, we haven’t been able to get settled down in any one place for too >>> long because of that fact. We don’t get too comfortable, because history >>> suggests we shouldn’t. >>> >>> So we’re a little sensitive to hate mongering because we’ve seen how it >>> ends up, and we know history tends to repeat itself. >>> >>> Seth Rosen >>> >>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Paul Shorb <paul.sh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes the speakers may intend to generate anger at Israel. Or at least >>> recognize that will be a foreseeable reaction. >>> >>> However, you lose me when you then add “and by extension the Jewish >>> community”. What is your basis for inferring that intent? And what do you >>> mean by “the Jewish community”? I note that many Jews condemn Israel’s >>> treatment of Gaza. >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 11:55 AM Rosa Elena <rvillalobos3...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> While I agree that we should not censor good faith discussions on >>> difficult topics, can we really say that that the intent of this specific >>> meeting is in “good faith”? Let’s take a look at the invitation (please >>> look at the pdf with the actual description of the event). It says things >>> like the following: >>> >>> *“… confirm Israel as a Jewish supremacist/apartheid state, and to >>> further subjugate or eliminate non-Jews living in a Greater Israel.”* >>> >>> *“Zionism today (…) has emerged as an expression of neocolonialism, >>> Christian nationalism, and fascism.”* >>> >>> Using words and phrases like supremacist, Apartheid, elimination of >>> non-Jews, fascism - is that “good-faith criticism” or hyperbolic language >>> meant to incense and generate anger/fear of Israel and by extension the >>> Jewish community? I am all for a fact-based discussion with multiple >>> perspectives, but that does not seem to be the goal of this talk. >>> >>> >>> I don’t think the “real-life risk” of hate crimes due to this type of >>> language is as low as some might like to think it is. To me, the fact that >>> these “experts” chose to use this type of tired rethoric instead of >>> fact-based and rational arguments diminishes their respectability, and yes, >>> I find it dangerous. >>> >>> - Rosa >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2024 at 6:07 PM Joan Kimball <selene...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Paul. A very thoughtful, clear response that, for me, puts >>> these very difficult issues in perspective. >>> >>> Joan >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2024, 12:46 PM Paul Shorb <paul.sh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Rosa - >>> One can't deny the fact that sometimes, anger at Israel seems to >>> trigger/release/self-justify hate crimes against Jews in the United States. >>> Similarly, hate crimes against Muslims soared after 9/11 >>> <https://naacp.org/resources/hate-crimes-against-muslims>; >>> African-Americans were lynched in New York City riots of 1863 >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots> by people >>> opposed to the Civil War draft; etc. All of these actions targeting >>> innocent people based on race or religion obviously are terrible. >>> >>> However, that real-life risk isn't sufficient reason to censor >>> good-faith criticism of Israel for actions that arguably also are terrible >>> - and at a scale *at least thousands of times as large* as the increase >>> in hate crimes in the U.S. that might result. Especially when American >>> taxpayer dollars are supporting those actions, American citizens have not >>> only a right, but also a moral duty, to speak out against something they >>> believe is unjustly causing massive suffering in Gaza. >>> >>> Of course in doing so such critics should clearly focus their criticism >>> on the morally responsible decision makers (e.g., Netanyahu, American >>> politicians who support his policies, etc.), not Jewish people generally. >>> >>> - Paul Shorb >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 11:32 PM Rosa Elena <rvillalobos3...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> The description of the event (in the pdf attached to the original email >>> and copied below for context) is pretty one-sided and *not* conducive >>> to “thoughtful discussion” with multiple perspectives. Honestly, I am >>> shocked Bemis Hall would host an event where the description has such >>> strong inflammatory language, which could be construed as an attack on a >>> specific population, of which we have citizens living in Lincoln. >>> >>> From the event description: >>> >>> “The Gaza genocide that began over a year ago has morphed into Israel’s >>> three-front strategy to expand its borders and replace non-Jews living in >>> Gaza, Lebanon, and the West Bank with an army, citizens militia, and Jewish >>> settlements. Based on past, aggressively pro-Zionist policies, an incoming >>> Trump administration appears ready to confirm Israel as a Jewish >>> supremacist/apartheid state, and to further subjugate or eliminate non-Jews >>> living in a Greater Israel. In calling for an end to Israeli apartheid and >>> for a shared homeland for all, we join the struggle against the rise of >>> authoritarianism in Europe, the Global South, and the United States. >>> Zionism today, as ideology, theology and political project, has emerged as >>> an expression of neocolonialism, Christian nationalism, and fascism.” >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 12:33 PM Annamaria San Antonio < >>> into...@jaikaurhealingarts.com> wrote: >>> >>> Agreed. Thank you, Sara !!! >>> I did not see this at all as propaganda and very much appreciated >>> hearing about an event with thoughtful discussion. Dangerous ? Perhaps I >>> did not read through but I did not see "false claims of genocide and >>> apartheid". >>> >>> Peace >>> ~Jai . >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 4:38 PM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I would urge all to listen/attend before passing judgement. >>> We have few opportunities to hear rom and question directly such >>> individuals with direct experience. >>> >>> Perhaps those objecting are familiar with the speakers and would like to >>> share their experiences so that others might know what to expect? >>> >>> Let’s keep an open mind and allow others to judge for themselves. >>> >>> Namaste, >>> Sara >>> >>> On Nov 27, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jonathan Sheffi <jshe...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Amen, Forest. Ideological diversity is well and good, but let's please >>> keep LT apolitical and free from this sort of low-grade propaganda. >>> ᐧ >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 11:47 AM Forest Brown <forestbrow...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I appreciate your wanting dialogue on this issue, but advertising >>> speakers who are sharing false claims of genocide and apartheid is >>> dangerous and this isn’t the platform for that. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 27, 2024, at 9:07 AM, Stephen R. Low < >>> steve....@gordianconcepts.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Steve Low >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Stephen R. Low <steve....@gordianconcepts.com> >>> *Sent:* November 27, 2024 9:07 AM >>> *Subject:* Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, >>> Dec 7 >>> >>> >>> >>> *Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and those of us who care about them have >>> never faced challenges greater than today’s.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Contributing to this mess has been the Biden administration’s Holy Land >>> policies, which have been—shall I be polite and say, “awkward?”* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Now, we await a Trump administration, whose 2016–2020 Israel policies >>> were so ill-considered and unbalanced, that many believe they helped to >>> incite Hamas’s murderous attack on October 7, 2023.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *These “realities” pose major challenges for all of us seeking peace, >>> equality, and justice in the Holy Land.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Rather than wring our hands in despair, the GRALTA Foundation has >>> organized two events to help us shape constructive, outside-the-box >>> thinking about how to refine the American people’s understanding of the >>> Holy Land Problem and how to advocate for new U.S. Mideast policies that >>> will improve conditions and achieve security for all who live there.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Here are two (free) opportunities to hear two internationally-known >>> speakers—two experts on the Holy Land’s human rights problem—who can help >>> us to answer the question, “Where can we go from here?* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Friday, Dec. 6 @ 7:30 PMCommunity Church of Boston565 Boylston St., >>> Boston >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/565+Boylston+St.,+Boston?entry=gmail&source=g>* >>> >>> *accessible via* >>> * the T, between Dartmouth & Clarendon ordiscount vouchers available for >>> Back Bay Parking Garage, 199 Clarendon Street >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/199+Clarendon+Street?entry=gmail&source=g>.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Saturday, Dec. 7 @ 2:00 PM* >>> >>> >>> *Bemis Hall 15 Bedford Rd., Lincoln, MA >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/15+Bedford+Rd.,+Lincoln,+MA?entry=gmail&source=g>* >>> >>> *park across the street at the “Stone Church”* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Please join us for one of these events.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Our speakers:* >>> >>> >>> >>> <image002.jpg> >>> *Mazin Qumsiyeh **Human Rights Activist, Professor**, Bethlehem & >>> Birzeit Universities* >>> >>> >>> Prof. Qumsiyeh was born and raised in Beit Sahour on the outskirts of >>> Bethlehem. His evolving world views have been shaped by living under >>> Israeli occupation, the education he received at universities in the Middle >>> East and the U.S., and on years of extensive travel throughout the world. >>> After obtaining a doctorate in Zoology and Genetics from Texas Tech, Mazin >>> trained at the St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital and taught at the >>> University of Tennessee, Duke, and then at Yale. He is author of 190 >>> scientific papers, hundreds of articles, and several books on topics >>> ranging from cultural heritage to human rights to biodiversity conservation >>> to cancer. >>> >>> After returning to Palestine in 2008, Mazin and his wife Jessie Chang >>> founded and run (as volunteers) the Palestine Institute for Biodiversity & >>> Sustainability and the Palestine Museum of Natural History—both situated on >>> the Bethlehem University campus. >>> >>> >>> >>> <image004.jpg> >>> *Mark Braverman **Executive Director, **Kairos, USA* >>> >>> >>> Dr. Mark Braverman is a retired clinical psychologist and trauma >>> consultant. Raised in a traditional Jewish family, he was steeped in Jewish >>> religious observance, Bible study, the Hebrew language, and the Zionist >>> narrative. Confronted by the reality of ethnic cleansing and ongoing >>> colonial settlement of Palestine, Mark has devoted himself since 2006 to >>> working for a future of dignity and peace for all the people living between >>> the River and the Sea. >>> >>> Mark has been closely involved in the international church movement for >>> Palestinian rights. He spoke at the launch of the Kairos Palestine document >>> in Bethlehem in 2009 and served on the Palestine Ecumenical Forum of the >>> World Council of Churches. He is the author of two books and numerous >>> journal articles and book chapters on the Kairos movement, ecumenism, >>> post-holocaust theology, Jewish and Christian Zionism, and Christian-Jewish >>> relations. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Steve Low >>> >>> >>> <002 v-1 Qumsiyeh-Braverman Poster.pdf> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
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