Vic, This is the last public response I'll make. Have you ever been to a drag show? Perhaps you have some idea that it's the same thing as a strip show. If not, you need to educate yourself. A drag show is usually men who go on stage nicely dressed as women for a "night out" (dress, geels, makeup, etc.), usually with humor and music. They do not dress in "lingerie or scantily clad provocative attire." And where do five-year-olds come into all this? Do you know of children who have been kidnapped and forced to see scantily clad men dressed as women? Not in Lincoln or anywhere else, I can assure you :-) Or do you think drag show participants are going to leap off the stage and molest young kids who are in the audience without their parents' permission? Do you think it will "turn your kids gay"? Why does the whole notion of dressing like the opposite sex idea upset you? I think you really need to sit down and figure out where your fear is coming from. If this stems from any kind of past trauma in your own life, I am truly sorry. I have sincere sympathy and I hope you can work on it with a therapist.
Alice On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 5:32 PM V Saleme <bmwkbi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, perfectly normal to have a bunch of men dressed in lingerie or > scantily clad provocative attire parading their stuff around in front of a > five-year-olds. That’s pretty sick Alice. > > You raise your kids the way you want and I’ll raise mine the way I want In > this already very complicated, agenda driven world for children. > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 5:21 PM Alice Waugh <awaugh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dressing in drag is not "child abuse" — and certainly not when attendance >> at such a show is by voluntary and paid admission. Why do you feel >> threatened by people dressing the way they want in a performance venue >> for entertainment — or in public, for that matter? How do you feel about >> "Some >> Like It Hot <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Like_It_Hot>"? >> >> Alice Waugh >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 10:01 AM V Saleme <bmwkbi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sorry, I don’t support child abuse. >>> Vic >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 9:42 AM Jennifer Saffran < >>> jennifer.saff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Drag queens are not perverts. >>>> >>>> Five years olds are creative, openminded, expressive little people. >>>> >>>> All choices of dress are costumes with signifiers, etc. One could say >>>> that a Lincolnite in a pair of LLBean jeans, Merrill mocs, and a Patagonia >>>> jacket is doing “drag” of a different sort. That same costume that is >>>> accepted here is mocked in other places. Drag queens just happen to express >>>> certain cliches about femininity in an exaggerated way. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 30, 2024, at 9:36 AM, V Saleme <bmwkbi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> "Honestly, I am shocked Bemis Hall would host an event where the >>>> description has such strong inflammatory language, which could be construed >>>> as an attack on a specific population, of which we have citizens living in >>>> Lincoln" >>>> >>>> This is the same Bemis Hall that believes it's OK to host and subject >>>> your FIVE year old to 'drag show' event perverts. >>>> Gee, wonder 'why' children might be 'confused'........ >>>> >>>> Vic >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 11:32 PM Rosa Elena <rvillalobos3...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The description of the event (in the pdf attached to the original >>>>> email and copied below for context) is pretty one-sided and *not* >>>>> conducive to “thoughtful discussion” with multiple perspectives. Honestly, >>>>> I am shocked Bemis Hall would host an event where the description has such >>>>> strong inflammatory language, which could be construed as an attack on a >>>>> specific population, of which we have citizens living in Lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> From the event description: >>>>> >>>>> “The Gaza genocide that began over a year ago has morphed into >>>>> Israel’s three-front strategy to expand its borders and replace non-Jews >>>>> living in Gaza, Lebanon, and the West Bank with an army, citizens militia, >>>>> and Jewish settlements. Based on past, aggressively pro-Zionist policies, >>>>> an incoming Trump administration appears ready to confirm Israel as a >>>>> Jewish supremacist/apartheid state, and to further subjugate or eliminate >>>>> non-Jews living in a Greater Israel. In calling for an end to Israeli >>>>> apartheid and for a shared homeland for all, we join the struggle against >>>>> the rise of authoritarianism in Europe, the Global South, and the United >>>>> States. Zionism today, as ideology, theology and political project, has >>>>> emerged as an expression of neocolonialism, Christian nationalism, and >>>>> fascism.” >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 12:33 PM Annamaria San Antonio < >>>>> into...@jaikaurhealingarts.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Agreed. Thank you, Sara !!! >>>>>> I did not see this at all as propaganda and very much appreciated >>>>>> hearing about an event with thoughtful discussion. Dangerous ? Perhaps I >>>>>> did not read through but I did not see "false claims of genocide and >>>>>> apartheid". >>>>>> >>>>>> Peace >>>>>> ~Jai . >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 4:38 PM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I would urge all to listen/attend before passing judgement. >>>>>>> We have few opportunities to hear rom and question directly such >>>>>>> individuals with direct experience. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps those objecting are familiar with the speakers and would >>>>>>> like to share their experiences so that others might know what to >>>>>>> expect? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let’s keep an open mind and allow others to judge for themselves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Namaste, >>>>>>> Sara >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jonathan Sheffi <jshe...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Amen, Forest. Ideological diversity is well and good, but let's >>>>>>> please keep LT apolitical and free from this sort of low-grade >>>>>>> propaganda. >>>>>>> ᐧ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 11:47 AM Forest Brown < >>>>>>> forestbrow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I appreciate your wanting dialogue on this issue, but advertising >>>>>>>> speakers who are sharing false claims of genocide and apartheid is >>>>>>>> dangerous and this isn’t the platform for that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2024, at 9:07 AM, Stephen R. Low < >>>>>>>> steve....@gordianconcepts.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Steve Low >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Stephen R. Low <steve....@gordianconcepts.com> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* November 27, 2024 9:07 AM >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and >>>>>>>> Saturday, Dec 7 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and those of us who care about them >>>>>>>> have never faced challenges greater than today’s.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Contributing to this mess has been the Biden administration’s Holy >>>>>>>> Land policies, which have been—shall I be polite and say, “awkward?”* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Now, we await a Trump administration, whose 2016–2020 Israel >>>>>>>> policies were so ill-considered and unbalanced, that many believe they >>>>>>>> helped to incite Hamas’s murderous attack on October 7, 2023.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *These “realities” pose major challenges for all of us seeking >>>>>>>> peace, equality, and justice in the Holy Land.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Rather than wring our hands in despair, the GRALTA Foundation has >>>>>>>> organized two events to help us shape constructive, outside-the-box >>>>>>>> thinking about how to refine the American people’s understanding of the >>>>>>>> Holy Land Problem and how to advocate for new U.S. Mideast policies >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> will improve conditions and achieve security for all who live there.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Here are two (free) opportunities to hear two >>>>>>>> internationally-known speakers—two experts on the Holy Land’s human >>>>>>>> rights >>>>>>>> problem—who can help us to answer the question, “Where can we go from >>>>>>>> here?* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Friday, Dec. 6 @ 7:30 PMCommunity Church of Boston565 Boylston >>>>>>>> St., Boston >>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/565+Boylston+St.,+Boston?entry=gmail&source=g>* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *accessible via* >>>>>>>> * the T, between Dartmouth & Clarendon ordiscount vouchers >>>>>>>> available for Back Bay Parking Garage, 199 Clarendon Street >>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/199+Clarendon+Street?entry=gmail&source=g>.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Saturday, Dec. 7 @ 2:00 PM* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Bemis Hall 15 Bedford Rd., Lincoln, MA >>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/15+Bedford+Rd.,+Lincoln,+MA?entry=gmail&source=g>* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *park across the street at the “Stone Church”* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Please join us for one of these events.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Our speakers:* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <image002.jpg> >>>>>>>> *Mazin Qumsiyeh **Human Rights Activist, Professor**, Bethlehem & >>>>>>>> Birzeit Universities* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prof. Qumsiyeh was born and raised in Beit Sahour on the outskirts >>>>>>>> of Bethlehem. His evolving world views have been shaped by living under >>>>>>>> Israeli occupation, the education he received at universities in the >>>>>>>> Middle >>>>>>>> East and the U.S., and on years of extensive travel throughout the >>>>>>>> world. >>>>>>>> After obtaining a doctorate in Zoology and Genetics from Texas Tech, >>>>>>>> Mazin >>>>>>>> trained at the St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital and taught at the >>>>>>>> University of Tennessee, Duke, and then at Yale. He is author of 190 >>>>>>>> scientific papers, hundreds of articles, and several books on topics >>>>>>>> ranging from cultural heritage to human rights to biodiversity >>>>>>>> conservation >>>>>>>> to cancer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After returning to Palestine in 2008, Mazin and his wife Jessie >>>>>>>> Chang founded and run (as volunteers) the Palestine Institute for >>>>>>>> Biodiversity & Sustainability and the Palestine Museum of Natural >>>>>>>> History—both situated on the Bethlehem University campus. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <image004.jpg> >>>>>>>> *Mark Braverman **Executive Director, **Kairos, USA* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dr. Mark Braverman is a retired clinical psychologist and trauma >>>>>>>> consultant. Raised in a traditional Jewish family, he was steeped in >>>>>>>> Jewish >>>>>>>> religious observance, Bible study, the Hebrew language, and the Zionist >>>>>>>> narrative. Confronted by the reality of ethnic cleansing and ongoing >>>>>>>> colonial settlement of Palestine, Mark has devoted himself since 2006 >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> working for a future of dignity and peace for all the people living >>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>> the River and the Sea. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark has been closely involved in the international church movement >>>>>>>> for Palestinian rights. He spoke at the launch of the Kairos Palestine >>>>>>>> document in Bethlehem in 2009 and served on the Palestine Ecumenical >>>>>>>> Forum >>>>>>>> of the World Council of Churches. He is the author of two books and >>>>>>>> numerous journal articles and book chapters on the Kairos movement, >>>>>>>> ecumenism, post-holocaust theology, Jewish and Christian Zionism, and >>>>>>>> Christian-Jewish relations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Steve Low >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <002 v-1 Qumsiyeh-Braverman Poster.pdf> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>> Browse the archives at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>>
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