Thank you, Jonathan for sharing facts and calling out the antisemitism that is being stoked here. On Nov 28, 2024, at 6:32 AM, Jonathan Sheffi <jshe...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sara,
Thanks for your note, and I appreciate your question. I strongly believe that politics do not belong on LT, but you insist, so I will reluctantly indulge you:
Mazin Qumsiyeh is a famous conspiracy theorist. Here's one of his talks, in which he claims that Jews have no connection to Israel, a position that is patently absurd to anyone with passing familiarity with the Bible or archaeology. He also asserts that Jews secretly control the United States, one of the most famous antisemitic tropes. He's on the same level as people who claim the moon landing and Sandy Hook were fake.
May I gently suggest that we take this offline and not burden our neighbors with more emails? LT ought to be a forum for town-related matters only, not politics and certainly not this bunk.
Jonathan ![]() ᐧI would urge all to listen/attend before passing judgement. We have few opportunities to hear rom and question directly such individuals with direct experience.
Perhaps those objecting are familiar with the speakers and would like to share their experiences so that others might know what to expect?
Let’s keep an open mind and allow others to judge for themselves.
Namaste, Sara
Amen, Forest. Ideological diversity is well and good, but let's please keep LT apolitical and free from this sort of low-grade propaganda. ![]() ᐧI appreciate your wanting dialogue on this issue, but advertising speakers who are sharing false claims of genocide and apartheid is dangerous and this isn’t the platform for that. From: Stephen R. Low <steve....@gordianconcepts.com>
Sent: November 27, 2024 9:07 AM
Subject: Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7 Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and those of us who care about them have never faced challenges greater than today’s. Contributing to this mess has been the Biden administration’s Holy Land policies, which have been—shall I be polite and say, “awkward?” Now, we await a Trump administration, whose 2016–2020 Israel policies were so ill-considered and unbalanced, that many believe they helped to incite Hamas’s murderous attack on October 7, 2023. These “realities” pose major challenges for all of us seeking peace, equality, and justice in the Holy Land. Rather than wring our hands in despair, the GRALTA Foundation has organized two events to help us shape constructive, outside-the-box thinking about how to refine the American people’s understanding of the Holy Land Problem and how to advocate for new U.S. Mideast policies that will improve conditions and achieve security for all who live there. Here are two (free) opportunities to hear two internationally-known speakers—two experts on the Holy Land’s human rights problem—who can help us to answer the question, “Where can we go from here? Friday, Dec. 6 @ 7:30 PM
Community Church of Boston
565 Boylston St., Boston accessible via the T, between Dartmouth & Clarendon or
discount vouchers available for Back Bay Parking Garage, 199 Clarendon Street. Saturday, Dec. 7 @ 2:00 PM Bemis Hall
15 Bedford Rd., Lincoln, MA park across the street at the “Stone Church” Please join us for one of these events. Our speakers:
<image002.jpg> Mazin Qumsiyeh Human Rights Activist, Professor, Bethlehem & Birzeit Universities
Prof. Qumsiyeh was born and raised in Beit Sahour on the outskirts of Bethlehem. His evolving world views have been shaped by living under Israeli occupation, the education he received at universities in the Middle East and the U.S., and on years of extensive travel throughout the world. After obtaining a doctorate in Zoology and Genetics from Texas Tech, Mazin trained at the St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital and taught at the University of Tennessee, Duke, and then at Yale. He is author of 190 scientific papers, hundreds of articles, and several books on topics ranging from cultural heritage to human rights to biodiversity conservation to cancer. After returning to Palestine in 2008, Mazin and his wife Jessie Chang founded and run (as volunteers) the Palestine Institute for Biodiversity & Sustainability and the Palestine Museum of Natural History—both situated on the Bethlehem University campus.
<image004.jpg> Mark Braverman Executive Director, Kairos, USA
Dr. Mark Braverman is a retired clinical psychologist and trauma consultant. Raised in a traditional Jewish family, he was steeped in Jewish religious observance, Bible study, the Hebrew language, and the Zionist narrative. Confronted by the reality of ethnic cleansing and ongoing colonial settlement of Palestine, Mark has devoted himself since 2006 to working for a future of dignity and peace for all the people living between the River and the Sea. Mark has been closely involved in the international church movement for Palestinian rights. He spoke at the launch of the Kairos Palestine document in Bethlehem in 2009 and served on the Palestine Ecumenical Forum of the World Council of Churches. He is the author of two books and numerous journal articles and book chapters on the Kairos movement, ecumenism, post-holocaust theology, Jewish and Christian Zionism, and Christian-Jewish relations. Regards,
Steve Low <002 v-1 Qumsiyeh-Braverman Poster.pdf> -- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.
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tps://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CNtExVtl5evFQCvnsA8DIWsW/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.m=
emri.org%2Ftv%2Fpalestinian-biologist-qumsiyeh-gaza-holocaust-zionist-inven=
ted-narrative" target=3D"_blank">Here's one of his talks</a>, in which =
he claims that Jews have no connection to Israel,=C2=A0a position that is p=
atently absurd to=C2=A0anyone with passing familiarity with the Bible or ar=
chaeology. He also=C2=A0asserts that Jews secretly control the United State=
s,=C2=A0one of the=C2=A0most famous antisemitic tropes.=C2=A0He's on th=
e same level as people who claim the=C2=A0moon landing and Sandy Hook were =
fake.</div><div><br></div><div>Braverman's assertion that Gaza is endur=
ing an ethnic cleansing or genocide is simply an outright lie. <a href="">
ttps://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CNtExVtFhTs3okeYwA00lmHY/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.=
cia.gov%2Fthe-world-factbook%2Fcountries%2Fgaza-strip%2F%23people-and-socie=
ty" target=3D"_blank">The population of Gaza <i>grew</i> 2.02% in 2024</a>.=
For comparison, the population of European Jews <a href="">
a.streaklinks.com/CNtExVxCwv6n2cHL6Anb6rpm/https%3A%2F%2Fencyclopedia.ushmm=
.org%2Fcontent%2Fen%2Farticle%2Fremaining-jewish-population-of-europe-in-19=
45%23%3A%7E%3Atext%3DAccording%2520to%2520the%2520American%2520Jewish%2Cto%=
2520postwar%2520emigration%2520from%2520Europe." target=3D"_blank">decrease=
d by 60%</a>=C2=A0due to the Holocaust. In the Rwandan genocide, the popula=
tion of Tutsis <a href="">
UgshenBD/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hrw.org%2Freports%2F1999%2Frwanda%2FGeno1-3-04.h=
tm" target=3D"_blank">decreased by 77%</a>. In the Armenian genocide, <a hr=
ef=3D"https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CNtExV1IyCCFBnbtJw8JYJXW/https%3A%2F=
%2Fencyclopedia.ushmm.org%2Fcontent%2Fen%2Farticle%2Fthe-armenian-genocide-=
1915-16-in-depth" target=3D"_blank">44 to 80% of Armenians died</a>.</div><=
div><br></div><div>May I gently=C2=A0suggest that we take this offline and =
not burden our neighbors with more emails? LT ought to be a forum for town-=
related matters only,=C2=A0not politics and certainly not <u>this</u> bunk.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Jonathan</div></div><div hspace=3D"streak-pt-mark=
" style=3D"max-height:1px"><img alt=3D"" style=3D"width:0px;max-height:0px;=
overflow:hidden" src="">
aUBnbWFpbC5jb20%3D&type=3Dzerocontent&guid=3D52a05c07-4757-4eb1-abe=
1-86c16081a877"><font color=3D"#ffffff" size=3D"1">=E1=90=A7</font></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, =
Nov 27, 2024 at 3:38=E2=80=AFPM Sara Mattes <<a href="">
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">samat...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I would urge all to =C2=
=A0listen/attend before passing judgement.<div>We have few opportunities to=
hear rom and question directly such individuals with direct experience.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Perhaps those objecting are familiar with the speake=
rs and would like to share their experiences so that others might know what=
to expect?</div><div><br></div><div>Let=E2=80=99s keep an open mind and al=
low others to judge for themselves.</div><div><br></div><div>Namaste,</div>=
<div>Sara<br id=3D"m_7630355755930588149m_-4954139037234244077lineBreakAtBe=
ginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 27, 2024, =
at 12:22=E2=80=AFPM, Jonathan Sheffi <<a href="">
m" target=3D"_blank">jshe...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Amen, Forest. Ideological diversity is well and good, but let'=
;s please keep LT apolitical and free from this sort of low-grade propagand=
a.</div><div hspace=3D"streak-pt-mark" style=3D"max-height:1px"><img alt=3D=
"" style=3D"width: 0px; max-height: 0px; overflow: hidden;" src="">
mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=3DaanNoZWZmaUBnbWFpbC5jb20%3D&type=3Dze=
rocontent&guid=3D0399311b-1bc8-4d5c-b143-5364b4d24ea0"><font color=3D"#=
ffffff" size=3D"1">=E1=90=A7</font></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 11:47=E2=80=AFAM=
Forest Brown <<a href="" target=3D"_bla=
nk">forestbrow...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">I appreciate your wanting dialogue on this issue, but advertising=
speakers who are sharing false claims of genocide and apartheid is dangero=
us and this isn=E2=80=99t the platform for that.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 27, 2024, at 9:07=
=E2=80=AFAM, Stephen R. Low <<a href="">
.com" target=3D"_blank">steve....@gordianconcepts.com</a>> wrote:<br><br=
</blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<br>Steve Low<u></=
u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div=
style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:=
1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>F=
rom:</b> Stephen R. Low <<a href="">
" target=3D"_blank">steve....@gordianconcepts.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> =
November 27, 2024 9:07 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Exploring the Holy Land Proble=
m: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p><a name=3D"m_7630355755930588149_=
m_-4954139037234244077_m_-3788294126575408694_x__Hlk182244432"></a><a name=
=3D"m_7630355755930588149_m_-4954139037234244077_m_-3788294126575408694_x__=
Hlk182240200"></a><span><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,112,192)">Palestinian=
s, Israeli Jews, and those of us who care about them have never faced chall=
enges greater than today=E2=80=99s.</span><u></u><u></u></b></span></p><p><=
span><b><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></b></span></p><p><span><b><span style=3D"color=
:rgb(0,112,192)">Contributing to this mess has been the Biden administratio=
n=E2=80=99s Holy Land policies, which have been=E2=80=94shall I be polite a=
nd say, =E2=80=9Cawkward?=E2=80=9D</span></b></span><b><span style=3D"color=
:rgb(0,112,192)"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p><b><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(0,112,192)">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p><b><span style=3D"color=
:rgb(0,112,192)">Now, we await a Trump administration</span>,<span style=3D=
"color:rgb(0,112,192)"> whose 2016=E2=80=932020 Israel policies were so ill=
-considered and unbalanced, that many believe they helped to incite Hamas=
=E2=80=99s murderous attack on October 7, 2023.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p=
<p><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,112,192)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></b>=
</p><p><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,112,192)">These =E2=80=9Crealities=E2=
=80=9D pose major challenges for all of us seeking peace, equality, and jus=
tice in the Holy Land.</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p><b><span style=3D"col=
or:rgb(0,112,192)">=C2=A0</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p><b><span style=3D"=
color:rgb(0,112,192)">Rather than wring our hands in despair, the GRALTA Fo=
undation has organized two events to help us shape constructive, outside-th=
e-box thinking about how to refine the American people=E2=80=99s understand=
ing of the Holy Land Problem and how to advocate for new U.S. Mideast polic=
ies that will <i>improve</i> conditions and achieve security for all who li=
ve there.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,112,=
192)">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><b=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt">H<u>e</u>re are two (free) opportunities to=
hear two internationally-known speakers=E2=80=94two experts on the Holy La=
nd=E2=80=99s human rights problem=E2=80=94who can help us to answer the que=
stion, =E2=80=9CWhere can we go from here?</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p s=
tyle=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><b><span style=3D"font-size:14pt">Friday, Dec. 6=
@ 7:30 PM<br>Community Church of Boston<br>565 Boylston St., Boston</span>=
</b><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><b><i><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12pt;color:red">accessible via</span></i></b><b><i><span style=3D"=
font-size:12pt"> <span style=3D"color:red">the T, between Dartmouth & C=
larendon or<br>discount vouchers available for Back Bay Parking Garage, 199=
Clarendon Street.</span></span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p><p><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt">=C2=A0</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-l=
eft:0.5in"><b><span style=3D"font-size:14pt">Saturday, Dec. 7 @ 2:00 PM</sp=
an></b><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><b><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:14pt">Bemis Hall <br>15 Bedford Rd., Lincoln, MA</span></b><u></u>=
<u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:12=
pt;color:red">park across the street at the =E2=80=9CStone Church=E2=80=9D<=
/span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p><p><b><span style=3D"font-size:14pt">=C2=A0=
</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p><b><span style=3D"font-size:14pt">Please jo=
in us for one of these events.</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p><b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:14pt">=C2=A0</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p><b><u><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:14pt">Our speakers:</span></u></b><u></u><u></u></p><div sty=
le=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt =
solid windowtext;padding:0in 0in 1pt;margin-right:0.5in"><p style=3D"margin=
-bottom:3pt"><a name=3D"m_7630355755930588149_m_-4954139037234244077_m_-378=
8294126575408694_x__Hlk183257166"><b><span style=3D"font-size:7pt">=C2=A0</=
span></b></a><u></u><u></u></p><div style=3D"margin-bottom:3pt"><br></div><=
div><image002.jpg></div><b><span style=3D"font-size:16pt">Mazin Qumsi=
yeh </span></b><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(51,51,51);background:white">Human Rights Activist,=C2=A0 Prof=
essor</span></i></b><b><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-=
serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);background:white">, Bethlehem & Birzeit Unive=
rsities</span></b><u></u><u></u><div><br></div></div><p style=3D"margin-rig=
ht:0.5in;margin-bottom:3pt;margin-left:0in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);background:white">Prof. Q=
umsiyeh was born and raised in Beit Sahour on the outskirts of Bethlehem. H=
is evolving world views have been shaped by living under Israeli occupation=
, the education he received at universities in the Middle East and the U.S.=
, and on years of extensive travel throughout the world. After obtaining a =
doctorate in Zoology and Genetics from Texas Tech, Mazin trained at the St.=
Jude Children=E2=80=99s Research Hospital and taught at the University of =
Tennessee, Duke, and then at Yale. He is author of 190 scientific papers, h=
undreds of articles, and several books on topics ranging from cultural heri=
tage to human rights to biodiversity conservation to cancer.</span><u></u><=
u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-right:0.5in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;f=
ont-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);background:white">After ret=
urning to Palestine in 2008, Mazin and his wife Jessie Chang founded and ru=
n (as volunteers) the Palestine Institute for Biodiversity & Sustainabi=
lity and the Palestine Museum of Natural History=E2=80=94both situated on t=
he Bethlehem University campus.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-=
right:0.5in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);background:whit=
e">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div style=3D"border-top:none;border-righ=
t:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0in 0in =
1pt;margin-left:0.5in;margin-right:0.5in"><div style=3D"margin-top:3pt"><br=
</div><div><image004.jpg></div><a name=3D"m_7630355755930588149_m_-4=
954139037234244077_m_-3788294126575408694_x__Hlk183257191"></a><b><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:16pt">Mark Braverman </span></b><b><i><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);background:white">=
Executive Director, </span></i></b><b><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);background:white">Kairos, USA</spa=
n></b><u></u><u></u><div><br></div></div><p style=3D"margin-right:0.5in;mar=
gin-bottom:3pt;margin-left:0.5in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fami=
ly:Arial,sans-serif">Dr. Mark Braverman is a retired clinical psychologist =
and trauma consultant. Raised in a traditional Jewish family, he was steepe=
d in Jewish religious observance, Bible study, the Hebrew language, and the=
Zionist narrative. Confronted by the reality of ethnic cleansing and _ongoi_=
ng colonial settlement of Palestine, Mark has devoted himself since 2006 to=
working for a future of dignity and peace for all the people living betwee=
n the River and the Sea.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style=3D"margin-right:0=
.5in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;fo=
nt-family:Arial,sans-serif">Mark has been closely involved in the internati=
onal church movement for Palestinian rights. He spoke at the launch of the =
Kairos Palestine document in Bethlehem in 2009 and served on the Palestine =
Ecumenical Forum of the World Council of Churches. He is the author of two =
books and numerous journal articles and book chapters on the Kairos movemen=
t, ecumenism, post-holocaust theology, Jewish and Christian Zionism, and Ch=
ristian-Jewish relations.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><b><span style=3D"font=
-size:14pt">=C2=A0</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p>Regards,<br>Steve Low<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><002 v-1 Qumsiyeh-Br=
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