An odd post below- It would seem the author is dismissing any in this conversation who do not embrace the hostility to the upcoming program. And, that no one who is not a Jew, by birth cannot understand antisemitism is fairly uneducated in the history of many non-Jews who stood with Jews in a variety of human rights endeavors, and those who gave their lives to raise issues about dangers to Jews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer
No one is dismissing struggles. That is a bizarre leap from my previous posts. And one does not have other be a Jew to know something of Jewish history, not does need to have a direct connection to Isreal (I have relatives there, but that is neither here not there). And then there is this comment: >> "I am deeply grateful to those who approach these complex conversations with >> humility, willing to pause and reflect when others are crying out for help >> and understanding." >> To suggest that others than those who are opposed to the upcoming lectures approach the debate lack empathy, humility or sensitivity is downright insulting! > On Dec 4, 2024, at 12:18 PM, Forest Brown <forestbrow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you to everyone who has contributed thoughtfully to this conversation, > sharing facts and insights rather than relying on assumptions or feelings. > > It’s relevant to mention that when a Black person shares their experience of > something they feel is racially discriminatory or offensive, it’s crucial for > others—especially white individuals—not to dismiss those feelings by saying, > “it’s not racist.” This dynamic can reflect deeper power imbalances and a > history where white voices have often dominated the conversation about > racism, even in situations they haven’t directly experienced. I am seeing > this happen here to Jews. > > I would be deeply troubled to hear a white person dismiss the struggles of > Black people with phrases like "there’s enough hate to go around" or “chew > gum while walking.” Antisemitism is often subtle and can be overlooked. When > the Black Lives Matter movement began, many white people were confronted with > the reality of their own biases and took the initiative to educate > themselves. A similar approach—one of openness and humility—would be greatly > appreciated here, especially as Jews and allies have shared important facts > and perspectives that seem to have been overlooked in this discussion- and > sadly seem to be getting ignored as the conversation continues by those > defending the presentation in question. > > It is painful to witness others tell Jews what is or isn’t antisemitic, > particularly when they do not have a direct connection to Israel or a deep > understanding of Jewish history. Knowing or marrying someone Jewish, or > disliking a specific political conflict, does not give anyone the authority > to define antisemitism for the Jewish community. > > I am deeply grateful to those who approach these complex conversations with > humility, willing to pause and reflect when others are crying out for help > and understanding. > >> On Dec 4, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Margo Fisher-Martin >> <margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sara and Lt, >> >> I think that although you might be able to, many people CANNOT “walk and >> chew gum” at the same time - to use your analogy. >> I agree with Seth that Israel hate and Jew hate are very much connected, and >> this type of presentation will only foster antisemitism, no matter how >> well-meaning attendees are. >> >> Margo >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 10:26 AM Dianeclimo--- via Lincoln >> <lincoln@lincolntalk.org <mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org>> wrote: >>> Two comments : >>> The bombing of Gaza and Lebanon is directed at two terrorist organizations >>> that lead their citizens to hate the Jewish people not only in Israel, and >>> with the desire to wipe all of the Jewish people off the face of the >>> earth.This war is not for political purposes; it is for survival. >>> 2. Furthermore, please don’t tell me that the Palestinians have a better >>> claim to the land of Israel when the Jewish people have sought to return >>> “home” for thousands of years since the Romans destroyed the Temple in >>> Jerusalem and the diaspora began. >>> >>> How many Lincoln women, gays, transgenders, bi-sexuals would like to live >>> in Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia? Israel is the >>> ONLY place in the middle east that upholds the values for which we fought >>> for in 1775. >>> >>>> On 12/04/2024 9:42 AM EST Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:samat...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> All, >>>> I believe that we here in Lincoln can walk and chew gum at the same time. >>>> >>>> We can love a country and its people and despise its leadership and the >>>> actions of leadership, especially when it comes to war. >>>> We can hold sympathies/empathy for a civilian population being devastated >>>> by bombs, and want to seek ways to assist them/defend them, while we >>>> despise that use them for political purposes. >>>> >>>> We can hold special concern for oppressed populations who have suffered >>>> under despotic colonial rule for centuries. >>>> This country itself sought to free itself from what has become such rule, >>>> and we took up arms to that on April19,1775. >>>> We “settled” this land by pushing out, removing, going to war with those >>>> who had lived here before. >>>> We built this country on the backs of forced labor that we brought here >>>> against their will, then bought, sold traded that labor. >>>> Our wealth was built on the backs of that forced labor, all while we >>>> debated how best to govern ourselves. >>>> >>>> This country, while having a ideal of tolerance, has, in practice has had >>>> racism (and all sorts of other “isms”, antisemitism included) in its DNA. >>>> >>>> History is messy and there is enough hate to go around. >>>> >>>> Let’s take a deep breath and recognize that perhaps it might be a good >>>> thing to hear from those advocating for the rights of another peoples-the >>>> Palestinians-not Hamas or Hezbollah-the Palestinians and their long >>>> history of struggling to secure a homeland. >>>> >>>> We can do it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> From: Jennifer Saffran <jennifer.saff...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:jennifer.saff...@gmail.com>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 >>>>> and Saturday, Dec 7 >>>>> Date: December 3, 2024 at 7:43:52 PM EST >>>>> To: Seth Rosen <rosen...@gmail.com <mailto:rosen...@gmail.com>> >>>>> Cc: Forest Brown <forestbrow...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:forestbrow...@gmail.com>>, Lincoln Talk <lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>>>> <mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org>> >>>>> >>>>> Also, many Jews go back and forth between Israel and other countries, or >>>>> have close relatives in both places. IDK any American or Canadian Jewish >>>>> person that I can think of who does not have a relative in Israel. Having >>>>> said that, IDK a single Jewish person who supports Netanyahu. (There may >>>>> be someone in the US or Canada , but I don’t know them.) >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 5:01 PM, Seth Rosen <rosen...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:rosen...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul - there are many Jews who take issue with Israel’s government >>>>>> (American and Israeli), and many others who take issue with her >>>>>> approach. I see no issue with that dialogue, and I know for a fact that >>>>>> it occurs in many and possibly every Jewish household including my own. >>>>>> >>>>>> That doesn’t change the fact that Israel hate and Jew hate are mostly >>>>>> the same thing. It’s a fairly straightforward connection, and it can >>>>>> appear a little disingenuous when folks don’t acknowledge it. People who >>>>>> have anger toward Israel also have anger toward the Jews. Her enemies >>>>>> don’t simply wish to eliminate Israel the State… they seek to eliminate >>>>>> every Jew that lives within her borders. The so-called colonizers and >>>>>> zionists to which the event description refers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Israel is the national homeland of the Jewish people. It’s a majority >>>>>> Jewish country. It’s the only country explicitly established to provide >>>>>> safety and security for Jews after literally millennia of persecution. >>>>>> >>>>>> The type of vitriolic propaganda (from the river to the sea, and the >>>>>> like) contained in this talk is the same type that calls for the >>>>>> elimination of the state of Israel and all the Jews in it. >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems like what you’re arguing is that American Jews are just very >>>>>> different than the Israeli Jews, and you’re just talking about “the >>>>>> Israeli ones.” It’s dangerous. We are the same people. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Jews over in Israel are the same people who fled persecution less >>>>>> than 100 years ago. After the war, the very few that survived (including >>>>>> a fortunate few in my own family) made their way there and oversaw the >>>>>> formation, defense, and construction of the State. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Jews here in the US (the second largest population of Jews outside >>>>>> of Israel) are also a relatively new phenomenon. It wasn’t until 1880 >>>>>> that Jews came here in any significant number, fleeing persecution in >>>>>> Europe, Russia and elsewhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> So to put a finer point on it — people historically haven’t liked us >>>>>> very much. And they’ve been trying to kill us for a long time. As a >>>>>> result, we haven’t been able to get settled down in any one place for >>>>>> too long because of that fact. We don’t get too comfortable, because >>>>>> history suggests we shouldn’t. >>>>>> >>>>>> So we’re a little sensitive to hate mongering because we’ve seen how it >>>>>> ends up, and we know history tends to repeat itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Seth Rosen >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Paul Shorb <paul.sh...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:paul.sh...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes the speakers may intend to generate anger at Israel. Or at least >>>>>>> recognize that will be a foreseeable reaction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, you lose me when you then add “and by extension the Jewish >>>>>>> community”. What is your basis for inferring that intent? And what do >>>>>>> you mean by “the Jewish community”? I note that many Jews condemn >>>>>>> Israel’s treatment of Gaza. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 11:55 AM Rosa Elena <rvillalobos3...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:rvillalobos3...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> While I agree that we should not censor good faith discussions on >>>>>>> difficult topics, can we really say that that the intent of this >>>>>>> specific meeting is in “good faith”? Let’s take a look at the >>>>>>> invitation (please look at the pdf with the actual description of the >>>>>>> event). It says things like the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> “… confirm Israel as a Jewish supremacist/apartheid state, and to >>>>>>> further subjugate or eliminate non-Jews living in a Greater Israel.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> “Zionism today (…) has emerged as an expression of neocolonialism, >>>>>>> Christian nationalism, and fascism.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Using words and phrases like supremacist, Apartheid, elimination of >>>>>>> non-Jews, fascism - is that “good-faith criticism” or hyperbolic >>>>>>> language meant to incense and generate anger/fear of Israel and by >>>>>>> extension the Jewish community? I am all for a fact-based discussion >>>>>>> with multiple perspectives, but that does not seem to be the goal of >>>>>>> this talk. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don’t think the “real-life risk” of hate crimes due to this type of >>>>>>> language is as low as some might like to think it is. To me, the fact >>>>>>> that these “experts” chose to use this type of tired rethoric instead >>>>>>> of fact-based and rational arguments diminishes their respectability, >>>>>>> and yes, I find it dangerous. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Rosa >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2024 at 6:07 PM Joan Kimball <selene...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:selene...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> Thank you Paul. A very thoughtful, clear response that, for me, puts >>>>>>> these very difficult issues in perspective. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2024, 12:46 PM Paul Shorb <paul.sh...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:paul.sh...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> Rosa - >>>>>>> One can't deny the fact that sometimes, anger at Israel seems to >>>>>>> trigger/release/self-justify hate crimes against Jews in the United >>>>>>> States. Similarly, hate crimes against Muslims soared after 9/11 >>>>>>> <https://naacp.org/resources/hate-crimes-against-muslims>; >>>>>>> African-Americans were lynched in New York City riots of 1863 >>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots> by people >>>>>>> opposed to the Civil War draft; etc. All of these actions targeting >>>>>>> innocent people based on race or religion obviously are terrible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, that real-life risk isn't sufficient reason to censor >>>>>>> good-faith criticism of Israel for actions that arguably also are >>>>>>> terrible - and at a scale at least thousands of times as large as the >>>>>>> increase in hate crimes in the U.S. that might result. Especially when >>>>>>> American taxpayer dollars are supporting those actions, American >>>>>>> citizens have not only a right, but also a moral duty, to speak out >>>>>>> against something they believe is unjustly causing massive suffering in >>>>>>> Gaza. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course in doing so such critics should clearly focus their criticism >>>>>>> on the morally responsible decision makers (e.g., Netanyahu, American >>>>>>> politicians who support his policies, etc.), not Jewish people >>>>>>> generally. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Paul Shorb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 11:32 PM Rosa Elena <rvillalobos3...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:rvillalobos3...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> The description of the event (in the pdf attached to the original email >>>>>>> and copied below for context) is pretty one-sided and not conducive to >>>>>>> “thoughtful discussion” with multiple perspectives. Honestly, I am >>>>>>> shocked Bemis Hall would host an event where the description has such >>>>>>> strong inflammatory language, which could be construed as an attack on >>>>>>> a specific population, of which we have citizens living in Lincoln. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From the event description: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> “The Gaza genocide that began over a year ago has morphed into Israel’s >>>>>>> three-front strategy to expand its borders and replace non-Jews living >>>>>>> in Gaza, Lebanon, and the West Bank with an army, citizens militia, and >>>>>>> Jewish settlements. Based on past, aggressively pro-Zionist policies, >>>>>>> an incoming Trump administration appears ready to confirm Israel as a >>>>>>> Jewish supremacist/apartheid state, and to further subjugate or >>>>>>> eliminate non-Jews living in a Greater Israel. In calling for an end to >>>>>>> Israeli apartheid and for a shared homeland for all, we join the >>>>>>> struggle against the rise of authoritarianism in Europe, the Global >>>>>>> South, and the United States. Zionism today, as ideology, theology and >>>>>>> political project, has emerged as an expression of neocolonialism, >>>>>>> Christian nationalism, and fascism.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 12:33 PM Annamaria San Antonio >>>>>>> <into...@jaikaurhealingarts.com >>>>>>> <mailto:into...@jaikaurhealingarts.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> Agreed. Thank you, Sara !!! >>>>>>> I did not see this at all as propaganda and very much appreciated >>>>>>> hearing about an event with thoughtful discussion. Dangerous ? Perhaps >>>>>>> I did not read through but I did not see "false claims of genocide and >>>>>>> apartheid". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peace >>>>>>> ~Jai . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 4:38 PM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:samat...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> I would urge all to listen/attend before passing judgement. >>>>>>> We have few opportunities to hear rom and question directly such >>>>>>> individuals with direct experience. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps those objecting are familiar with the speakers and would like >>>>>>> to share their experiences so that others might know what to expect? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let’s keep an open mind and allow others to judge for themselves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Namaste, >>>>>>> Sara >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jonathan Sheffi <jshe...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:jshe...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Amen, Forest. Ideological diversity is well and good, but let's please >>>>>>>> keep LT apolitical and free from this sort of low-grade propaganda. >>>>>>>> ᐧ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 11:47 AM Forest Brown <forestbrow...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:forestbrow...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I appreciate your wanting dialogue on this issue, but advertising >>>>>>>> speakers who are sharing false claims of genocide and apartheid is >>>>>>>> dangerous and this isn’t the platform for that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2024, at 9:07 AM, Stephen R. Low >>>>>>>>> <steve....@gordianconcepts.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:steve....@gordianconcepts.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Steve Low >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Stephen R. Low <steve....@gordianconcepts.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:steve....@gordianconcepts.com>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: November 27, 2024 9:07 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, >>>>>>>>> Dec 7 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and those of us who care about them have >>>>>>>>> never faced challenges greater than today’s. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Contributing to this mess has been the Biden administration’s Holy >>>>>>>>> Land policies, which have been—shall I be polite and say, “awkward?” >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, we await a Trump administration, whose 2016–2020 Israel policies >>>>>>>>> were so ill-considered and unbalanced, that many believe they helped >>>>>>>>> to incite Hamas’s murderous attack on October 7, 2023. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> These “realities” pose major challenges for all of us seeking peace, >>>>>>>>> equality, and justice in the Holy Land. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rather than wring our hands in despair, the GRALTA Foundation has >>>>>>>>> organized two events to help us shape constructive, outside-the-box >>>>>>>>> thinking about how to refine the American people’s understanding of >>>>>>>>> the Holy Land Problem and how to advocate for new U.S. Mideast >>>>>>>>> policies that will improve conditions and achieve security for all >>>>>>>>> who live there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here are two (free) opportunities to hear two internationally-known >>>>>>>>> speakers—two experts on the Holy Land’s human rights problem—who can >>>>>>>>> help us to answer the question, “Where can we go from here? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Friday, Dec. 6 @ 7:30 PM >>>>>>>>> Community Church of Boston >>>>>>>>> 565 Boylston St., Boston >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/565+Boylston+St.,+Boston?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>>>>> accessible via the T, between Dartmouth & Clarendon or >>>>>>>>> discount vouchers available for Back Bay Parking Garage, 199 >>>>>>>>> Clarendon Street >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/199+Clarendon+Street?entry=gmail&source=g>. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Saturday, Dec. 7 @ 2:00 PM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bemis Hall >>>>>>>>> 15 Bedford Rd., Lincoln, MA >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/15+Bedford+Rd.,+Lincoln,+MA?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>>>>> park across the street at the “Stone Church” >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please join us for one of these events. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our speakers: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <image002.jpg> >>>>>>>>> Mazin Qumsiyeh Human Rights Activist, Professor, Bethlehem & Birzeit >>>>>>>>> Universities >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prof. Qumsiyeh was born and raised in Beit Sahour on the outskirts of >>>>>>>>> Bethlehem. His evolving world views have been shaped by living under >>>>>>>>> Israeli occupation, the education he received at universities in the >>>>>>>>> Middle East and the U.S., and on years of extensive travel throughout >>>>>>>>> the world. After obtaining a doctorate in Zoology and Genetics from >>>>>>>>> Texas Tech, Mazin trained at the St. Jude Children’s Research >>>>>>>>> Hospital and taught at the University of Tennessee, Duke, and then at >>>>>>>>> Yale. He is author of 190 scientific papers, hundreds of articles, >>>>>>>>> and several books on topics ranging from cultural heritage to human >>>>>>>>> rights to biodiversity conservation to cancer. >>>>>>>>> After returning to Palestine in 2008, Mazin and his wife Jessie Chang >>>>>>>>> founded and run (as volunteers) the Palestine Institute for >>>>>>>>> Biodiversity & Sustainability and the Palestine Museum of Natural >>>>>>>>> History—both situated on the Bethlehem University campus. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <image004.jpg> >>>>>>>>> Mark Braverman Executive Director, Kairos, USA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Mark Braverman is a retired clinical psychologist and trauma >>>>>>>>> consultant. Raised in a traditional Jewish family, he was steeped in >>>>>>>>> Jewish religious observance, Bible study, the Hebrew language, and >>>>>>>>> the Zionist narrative. Confronted by the reality of ethnic cleansing >>>>>>>>> and ongoing colonial settlement of Palestine, Mark has devoted >>>>>>>>> himself since 2006 to working for a future of dignity and peace for >>>>>>>>> all the people living between the River and the Sea. >>>>>>>>> Mark has been closely involved in the international church movement >>>>>>>>> for Palestinian rights. He spoke at the launch of the Kairos >>>>>>>>> Palestine document in Bethlehem in 2009 and served on the Palestine >>>>>>>>> Ecumenical Forum of the World Council of Churches. He is the author >>>>>>>>> of two books and numerous journal articles and book chapters on the >>>>>>>>> Kairos movement, ecumenism, post-holocaust theology, Jewish and >>>>>>>>> Christian Zionism, and Christian-Jewish relations. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Steve Low >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <002 v-1 Qumsiyeh-Braverman Poster.pdf> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>>>>>>>> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >>>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>>>>>>> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>> 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