| How did we go from Holy Land Problem to a Drag show?
Is there a Drag Show scheduled at Bemis? If so when? I would love to attend.
Katie One kind word can change someone's day! On Nov 30, 2024, at 5:47 PM, Alice Waugh <awaugh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Vic,
This is the last public response I'll make. Have you ever been to a drag show? Perhaps you have some idea that it's the same thing as a strip show. If not, you need to educate yourself. A drag show is usually men who go on stage nicely dressed as women for a "night out" (dress, geels, makeup, etc.), usually with humor and music. They do not dress in "lingerie or scantily clad provocative attire." And where do five-year-olds come into all this? Do you know of children who have been kidnapped and forced to see scantily clad men dressed as women? Not in Lincoln or anywhere else, I can assure you :-) Or do you think drag show participants are going to leap off the stage and molest young kids who are in the audience without their parents' permission? Do you think it will "turn your kids gay"? Why does the whole notion of dressing like the opposite sex idea upset you? I think you really need to sit down and figure out where your fear is coming from. If this stems from any kind of past trauma in your own life, I am truly sorry. I have sincere sympathy and I hope you can work on it with a therapist.
Alice Yeah, perfectly normal to have a bunch of men dressed in lingerie or scantily clad provocative attire parading their stuff around in front of a five-year-olds. That’s pretty sick Alice.
You raise your kids the way you want and I’ll raise mine the way I want In this already very complicated, agenda driven world for children.
Dressing in drag is not "child abuse" — and certainly not when attendance at such a show is by voluntary and paid admission. Why do you feel threatened by people dressing the way they want in a performance venue for entertainment — or in public, for that matter? How do you feel about " Some Like It Hot"?
Sorry, I don’t support child abuse. Vic Drag queens are not perverts.
Five years olds are creative, openminded, expressive little people.
All choices of dress are costumes with signifiers, etc. One could say that a Lincolnite in a pair of LLBean jeans, Merrill mocs, and a Patagonia jacket is doing “drag” of a different sort. That same costume that is accepted here is mocked in other places. Drag queens just happen to express certain cliches about femininity in an exaggerated way.
"Honestly, I am shocked Bemis Hall would host an event where the description has such strong inflammatory language, which could be construed as an attack on a specific population, of which we have citizens living in Lincoln"
This is the same Bemis Hall that believes it's OK to host and subject your FIVE year old to 'drag show' event perverts. Gee, wonder 'why' children might be 'confused'........
Vic The description of the event (in the pdf attached to the original email and copied below for context) is pretty one-sided and not conducive to “thoughtful discussion” with multiple perspectives. Honestly, I am shocked Bemis Hall would host an event where the description has such strong inflammatory language, which could be construed as an attack on a specific population, of which we have citizens living in Lincoln.
From the event description: “The
Gaza genocide that began over a year ago has morphed into Israel’s three-front strategy to expand its
borders and replace non-Jews living in Gaza, Lebanon, and the West Bank with an army, citizens militia,
and Jewish settlements. Based on past, aggressively pro-Zionist policies, an incoming Trump
administration appears ready to confirm Israel as a Jewish supremacist/apartheid state, and to further
subjugate or eliminate non-Jews living in a Greater Israel.
In calling for an end to Israeli apartheid and for a shared homeland for all, we join the struggle against the rise
of authoritarianism in Europe, the Global South, and the United States. Zionism today, as ideology, theology
and political project, has emerged as an _expression_ of neocolonialism, Christian nationalism, and fascism.” Agreed. Thank you, Sara !!! I did not see this at all as propaganda and very much appreciated hearing about an event with thoughtful discussion. Dangerous ? Perhaps I did not read through but I did not see "false claims of genocide and apartheid".
Peace ~Jai .
I would urge all to listen/attend before passing judgement. We have few opportunities to hear rom and question directly such individuals with direct experience.
Perhaps those objecting are familiar with the speakers and would like to share their experiences so that others might know what to expect?
Let’s keep an open mind and allow others to judge for themselves.
Namaste, Sara
Amen, Forest. Ideological diversity is well and good, but let's please keep LT apolitical and free from this sort of low-grade propaganda. ![]() ᐧI appreciate your wanting dialogue on this issue, but advertising speakers who are sharing false claims of genocide and apartheid is dangerous and this isn’t the platform for that. From: Stephen R. Low <steve....@gordianconcepts.com>
Sent: November 27, 2024 9:07 AM
Subject: Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, Dec 7 Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and those of us who care about them have never faced challenges greater than today’s. Contributing to this mess has been the Biden administration’s Holy Land policies, which have been—shall I be polite and say, “awkward?” Now, we await a Trump administration, whose 2016–2020 Israel policies were so ill-considered and unbalanced, that many believe they helped to incite Hamas’s murderous attack on October 7, 2023. These “realities” pose major challenges for all of us seeking peace, equality, and justice in the Holy Land. Rather than wring our hands in despair, the GRALTA Foundation has organized two events to help us shape constructive, outside-the-box thinking about how to refine the American people’s understanding of the Holy Land Problem and how to advocate for new U.S. Mideast policies that will improve conditions and achieve security for all who live there. Here are two (free) opportunities to hear two internationally-known speakers—two experts on the Holy Land’s human rights problem—who can help us to answer the question, “Where can we go from here? Friday, Dec. 6 @ 7:30 PM
Community Church of Boston
565 Boylston St., Boston accessible via the T, between Dartmouth & Clarendon or
discount vouchers available for Back Bay Parking Garage, 199 Clarendon Street. Saturday, Dec. 7 @ 2:00 PM Bemis Hall
15 Bedford Rd., Lincoln, MA park across the street at the “Stone Church” Please join us for one of these events. Our speakers:
<image002.jpg> Mazin Qumsiyeh Human Rights Activist, Professor, Bethlehem & Birzeit Universities
Prof. Qumsiyeh was born and raised in Beit Sahour on the outskirts of Bethlehem. His evolving world views have been shaped by living under Israeli occupation, the education he received at universities in the Middle East and the U.S., and on years of extensive travel throughout the world. After obtaining a doctorate in Zoology and Genetics from Texas Tech, Mazin trained at the St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital and taught at the University of Tennessee, Duke, and then at Yale. He is author of 190 scientific papers, hundreds of articles, and several books on topics ranging from cultural heritage to human rights to biodiversity conservation to cancer. After returning to Palestine in 2008, Mazin and his wife Jessie Chang founded and run (as volunteers) the Palestine Institute for Biodiversity & Sustainability and the Palestine Museum of Natural History—both situated on the Bethlehem University campus.
<image004.jpg> Mark Braverman Executive Director, Kairos, USA
Dr. Mark Braverman is a retired clinical psychologist and trauma consultant. Raised in a traditional Jewish family, he was steeped in Jewish religious observance, Bible study, the Hebrew language, and the Zionist narrative. Confronted by the reality of ethnic cleansing and ongoing colonial settlement of Palestine, Mark has devoted himself since 2006 to working for a future of dignity and peace for all the people living between the River and the Sea. Mark has been closely involved in the international church movement for Palestinian rights. He spoke at the launch of the Kairos Palestine document in Bethlehem in 2009 and served on the Palestine Ecumenical Forum of the World Council of Churches. He is the author of two books and numerous journal articles and book chapters on the Kairos movement, ecumenism, post-holocaust theology, Jewish and Christian Zionism, and Christian-Jewish relations. Regards,
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